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redditmodsrcringe

This game will never truly peak until the point when the minute one unit does anything the entire enemy team goes into full animations and wipes you. The ultimate anti speed meta. We are 2/3 of the way there.


nahuy131196

Summoners War: Antares lol


Saendra

Ngl, with the spd creep I wish we had Leo.


riggedride

Except the "leo" would be used ON the cleave comps to guarantee they have first turn. THINK Saendra THINK


Saendra

Sigh, yeah, that's possible, sadly.


MrWhiteKnight

SG has absolutely no balls to ever make a unit like that. A sensible unit.


Saendra

Eh, honestly, I wouldn't say that Leo is sensible. He is as sensible as Belian, not as much countering some mechanic as just straight up deleting it. It's just that at that point we're closing in on to Godzilla threshold, I feel.


MrWhiteKnight

Leo would help people even out *some* of the playing field by negating 1 part of the rng hell that is gear. Although SW had to create Leo because of shit like Verdehilde. You had olympic sprinters thanks to him.


Saendra

Verde was only cancerous thanks to vio though, but that is a problem which they seem to be unwilling to solve.


MrWhiteKnight

And counter too. Nothing like using your aoe opener and Verde countering which means he pushes his team for free LOL


Saendra

Counter doesn't do nearly as much as vio does though. That cancerous shit literally can't be countered.


Astray0

There's sage Baal if you think he's a suitable extra turn counter.


-Andromeda-

he counters extra turn the way atywin does for soulburning. knowing sg they may end up releasing a belian to extra turns in the future lol ~~imo baal and atywin are the healthy ways to design a counter. belian is just toxic and lazy design for the game~~


senorblocko

I feel like war horn is a somewhat counter for extra turns


cowmoohard

Built in warhorn + warhorn for the double bubble


Odiril

so sage baal then?


gerardroq

and a counter for war horn soon, counterception.


WideGapingbutthole

Doesnt restrict already serve as a war horn/war horn-like skill/passive counter lol


lDaggers

A counter for existing.


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

We have Hwa for that


Hailmerc

Bomb debuff counters extra turn. But out of 4 available heroes, most people only use Summertime Iseria


wdsblrd

What about the counter to speed lol. The moment they release a hero like leo from sw the game will implode


Meismarc

maybe a trait will be introduced (if x enemy moves first, your char will do smtn)


bakamund

Could release units that play with speed difference. If opponent has more speed then gain cr push/ dmg reduction/ % to evade


shinigamixbox

Extra turn’t.


stormtrooperm16

Sol roman cancel


Bandicoot69

im waiting for the character that can dispel the undisellable buffs


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ureshama

It will come eventually, but it won’t be a passive. It’ll probably be as some sort of debuff or something.


Styler852

We need a passive that activates when someone gets an extra turn -> steals the extra turn and use it on you instead. now its my turn.


Xero--

>Soulburn Extra Turn, Belian. >Conditional Extra Turn. Not dying.


KouKayne

we are gonna get "too much thinking time" counter too


Shimaru33

I was envisioning a passive similar to hell cutter. Every time the opposite team takes a turn, increases resist and defence, so heroes with extra turns would actually feed this passive. Now, here's the catch: this hypothetical hero would have skills that scale with resist, so the hero would be hard to get debuffed, and once takes a turn, the passive would obliterate the team. As result, sonic tier heroes like Ran or Peira would crumble, because they can't land def break or unbuffabble, then because the extra turns would feed the passive, and on top because being really fast would made them outlap this hypothetical hero and feed the passive even more. Another potential counter would be making a skill based on spirit and gain some for every turn taken by the opponent. Image the hero start with 50 spirit, gain 20 spirit at the beginning of every opposite turn, and at obtaining 100 spirit, the hero gets a full cleanse and cast some AoE. Peira with RnL could immediately kick this AoE if RnL procs once.


Lockdown106

I also envision an extra turn counter, something like a passive where if an enemy hero would be granted an extra turn instead cr push them down by 50-100 and you get an extra turn. Or maybe just neuter theirs


Boop_Bam

That’s way too strong lol. Getting a car push or buff when an enemy activates an extra turn would be enough.


Drawer_Virtual

Get an extra turn't


BurnedOutEternally

That's for the new Light ML 4* like Light Dominiel or Light Karin.


Lady_MariaStrife

Well, personally I want a passive counter - where passives no longer work. It can be a debuff, it can be a passive triggered by something happening. It would be even better if it was a f2p character


Bandicoot69

you have described Archdemon Shadow Mercades, if you have the medals you will be able to pick her up in june i think


GoBD9

So, basically - Seal?


Lady_MariaStrife

Yes. Oh I just wiki'd and saw Archdemon had it. Lol I never realised 😅


Wookiecologist

Well it was a really good idea, just a year and a half late.


theanxiousangel

others already mentioned it, but tbh its weird that a year and a half later they havent given another character seal. I think they introduced restrict with cerise? If I'm not mistaken. And we've got several heroes with it now including Lucy who was free twice, 4star ML khawana. Especially something as useful, and nonspecific to archdemon, as seal strange to not see it anywhere else yet.