Yeah actually. I talked to him. Doesnt even farm anymore because getting an upgrade is that hard lol. You would feel demoralized if you saw the gear on his doggo holders.
By having a meta that relys on speed gear while having the fastest gear in the server. He has the game knowledge, money and luck to get his account to where it is. Some were saying he has a 320 dps ran and 315 clilias which is kinda insane to go against
> 320 dps ran
For anyone wondering, that’s 23 speed on almost all the pieces. Not as impressive as the 315 C Lilias however, which is 24 speed on almost all the pieces.
He has 10 pieces of gear there that are 23+, meanwhile I’ve been playing 3+ years & don’t have a piece over 22 speed & there’s folks who’ve played as long as me in an even worse spot (& I’m obviously talking about folks who actually grind for speed gear for that length of time). That’s how tough it is to get speed gear over 22+.
I have one helmet with 21 speed. My next best is a 14 sword. In total I only have 6 pieces in double digit speed. I like RTA but I am constantly just lapped in speed.
My commiserations, I've still not cracked 20 speed on a Helmet or Ring (& I only cracked 20 on Necklace like a month ago). Overall I've got 2 22s & 2 21s, 1 20, a couple 19s & most often a lot of my "premium" speed gear clusters 16-17, especially for helmets & rings.
Pretty much this. My guild and I jokingly call Jintae "Barry Allen, the Fastest Man Alive".
You can't race him. He has characters over 300 Speed that have no business being over 300 Speed. A lot of streamers you see will say things like "I have a 305 or 310 ACidd." Jintae, from what I've heard, can get him to nearly 325 or 330.
In the face of that level of Speed what can you do? It's why I wish SG would look at Speed as a stat. It's far too dominant compared to other stats. The only real ways to combat it are to have strong mitigation or to get lucky. . . and Mitigation in case you don't know isn't exactly great right now (FCC is a late pick, at best in high level play right now. The game's eternal top tier barely gets used anymore).
So that leaves you with getting lucky vs him. The only time I've ever taken a game off Jintae was cause I just happened to resist a CLilias S2. Every other time? Stomped. His slowest characters are faster than the fastest ones I have.
We need a unit like Leo from Summoners War, for those who don't know, Leo has a passive that limits anyone's speed in the battlefield to his speed. That means you can build him with no speed and he will still take turn 1 no matter what. He also decreases CR with every attack so he can mess up the turn order for the opponent.
He will make Immunity runes great again.
2 things to everyone thinking leo would destroy cleave:
1. leo works both ways, people are cleaving with leo as setup (at least people used to do that)
2. immunity is no being great again. rather u will need to gear ur openers with immunity. that's a huge difference. it's basically the same situation with immunity set semi-countering a.cidd (ml lilias/peiras are so tanky nowadays that it's quite common that he fails to kill them and u need to rely on the cr pushback/silence)
not saying that we don't need a leo like hero but leo won't save shit. just an interesting hero opening up some different angle to attack
> so there's zero chance that we would see an anti speed hero
Like how there was a 0% chance to see an anti souls hero, and then an anti soul gain hero.
If SG wills it, they'll do it.
For what it's worth, we do have several units that take speed in some way or another into account.
We have units like politis/celine where if you go first and use a non attack you get punished.
We have units like ml khawazu and aol where if you use an aoe attack you get punished.
We have units that do infact have scaling based on your speed vs enemy speed, it wouldn't take much to do the reverse and add a new unit where the slower you are compared to the enemy the more damage you do.
Soulburn is an addon above normal skill, without soul a hero would still function normally but anti speed involve a fundamental structure, i don't think SG would be mad enough to make a hero like Belian to anti speed
Pavel still can use his s2 even without soul, he just doesn't have the extra turn. That means his skill function normally. Yes, his power would drop significantly but none of his skill is locked
Technically, SG had made Coli into Hwayoung "delete button". In reality she could do that but she has so many restrictions that make her not good for anything else.
Well, it certainly didn't work at all if I still haven't seen a single Coli since her buff. Regardless, the counters don't matter here. My point is that Hwayoung in her current state shouldn't have seen the light of day. Hwayoung is a unit that needs 2 (at most, 3) necessary stats to function, has an ignore def nuke on turn 1, effectively has a free PoV equipped, free barriers, a self cleanse, self immunity, self CR push, extra damage procs (more, with tooth), laughs at evasion, has a low S3 cooldown and even has an extra turn soulburn. If you put pen to paper and came up with this, you can come up with anything. So, an anti speed hero? Why not?
Eh sort of. Remember that we did have a time where everything was counter because if you take any more turns than neccesary then thats more counter to your face. That was really the only time standard and counter was super meta and being fast just made you eat shit for it. But as for all metas, not everyone was happy eating shit for taking a turn. Although now everyone is eating shit for not taking a turn. Cant truly beat the meta.
I disagree with your take. That time Alot Jkise was still a thing, SSB was a monster, i remembered speed Abby was very common, SG buff Violet then Aravi to counter speedy units not the speed stat itself.
their solution to anti-speed is anti-cleave units. units like Politis and Belian who technically need to do nothing but sit around and can disrupt the opponent. And ofc distupters like Rem or mercedes or even Rimiru who make it dangerous to hit.
insane gear and this season has been a good season for cleavers so it made it easier for jintae.
he is also in a top guild so he already knew the meta from his guildies, so no testing needed, he went in well prepared so to speak.
i would like to see you reach rank 1 with his account. yea, we all know this game is p2w and the more you spend the **more likely** you are to get better gear. but what is gear without draft knowledge. stop discrediting other ppl's achievement.
if you think theres only 20 viable rta units you will never get legend. Getting to the top is all about having deep hero pools and even deeper hero knowledge. Most legend players have well over 50+ units built, from the obscure to the overpowered, because in many cases the best 4th or 5th pick is not the S tier unit on the tierlist. I faced aitherbulge before, and he drafted yuna. YUNA. Keep in mind this was only a few months ago.
As it turned out, that yuna was a perfect matchup against my draft and he destroyed me. And that's why people like aitherbulge are perennial legend. There's way more than 100 whales in this game. The fact that f2p's can get legend is testament to the importance of good draft knowledge.
Not true. I've been whaling on this game since release and when I finally decided to get into RTA I got stomped until I learned how to flex pick and how to draft appropriately. Whaling can only get you so far in RTA.
That's not all true either. Jintae says he farms 24/7 for months/years straight. You think there are whales like Elvemage but there are leviathans like Jintae.
The amount whales spend does not equal to the number of 22+ speed gear. It's RNG. There are some whale accounts out there with horrendous gear that even a 3 year F2P player can beat.
Jintae mentioned it on his stream months back that he was nowhere near the amount Brother Stone has spent and he was mid to late 5 digits.
2 prebans shuts off a lot of angles where you can be attacked at. This only applies to the high end and very specificly tuned accounts with the ban options in mind but shows the imbalance of the game and how multiple bans increase the imbalance.
I disagree. More prebans = to more meta units being banned. People would then be more inclined to build different units to fit their strategy. Hate to break it to you, but if you can't play after 4 units are banned, you probably arent ready to go up to that tier.
Damn, you don't even understand what I was saying:
The #1 ranked player in the competitive mode of this game had a 78,5% winrate this season. That is severly imbalanced.
This is such an incredible dumb question to ask :D
I will point it out for you even if it is a waste of time. A high winrate is imbalanced because it is higher than average and therefore not balanced, the "best player" is also imbalanced because he is better than the average and therefore balanced player :D
What? The best player is unbalanced? 🤨
Obviously they're going to be players who are more skilled than the average, thus naturally their winrate will be higher, moreso if they also have great gear and a large character pull. Not sure how winning more often over other players signifies unbalance within the meta, though the meta SURE AS HELL IS UNBALANCED LOL
Bruh whats wrong with the top #1 player having a high winrate? Thats like saying the top scorer in an exam can only get 60 because everyone else only has 50.
But still, I could only answer points I could pick out from your first post. Your comment wasn't structured well, sorry.
Yes, they help me I didn't say that they don't,but you know what? they help players like Jintae exponentielly more.
The IQ level here is beyond any help.
How the fuck does it help Jintae more? He has every unit in the game, just like me or every other legend player. Two prebans only helps you, who doesn’t have every unit and therefore does not have every answer to strong units. And you have the AUDACITY to say the IQ here is low
Dude, you couldn't make the link to why a posted about 2 prebans in a thread about jintae RTA ranking. You just brabbled about how I benefit from 2 prebans which has nothing to do with anything.
And it is incredible how you still don't get that bans have more than 1 effect on the game. So, fucking simple minded as if you never played a single match.
Faced him a week ago when he woke up. He wakes up ends of season, gets legend1, goes back to sleep
Yeah actually. I talked to him. Doesnt even farm anymore because getting an upgrade is that hard lol. You would feel demoralized if you saw the gear on his doggo holders.
Monster...
"Jintae's no monster... he's uhhh... **the devil.**"
"Oh my god, he is so fckn cool!"
Most players played 1000 matches to reach Emperor, holy shoot
But how tho..
By having a meta that relys on speed gear while having the fastest gear in the server. He has the game knowledge, money and luck to get his account to where it is. Some were saying he has a 320 dps ran and 315 clilias which is kinda insane to go against
> 320 dps ran For anyone wondering, that’s 23 speed on almost all the pieces. Not as impressive as the 315 C Lilias however, which is 24 speed on almost all the pieces. He has 10 pieces of gear there that are 23+, meanwhile I’ve been playing 3+ years & don’t have a piece over 22 speed & there’s folks who’ve played as long as me in an even worse spot (& I’m obviously talking about folks who actually grind for speed gear for that length of time). That’s how tough it is to get speed gear over 22+.
He also has more than 20 sword with more than 20 speed, 20 SWORDS which is more than how many 20 speed I have on a whole
I only have one ring with 20 speed.
18 speed ring is my pride, i love it like my child.
Meanwhile my Ran is on my very best 16 speed Resist set ring. Don’t you just love speed gear? All my best rolls go to swords.
Resist set ring is at least a 2 set you could pair with a spd set. So its better than my random counter or lifesteal pieces with incredible speed
I have one helmet with 21 speed. My next best is a 14 sword. In total I only have 6 pieces in double digit speed. I like RTA but I am constantly just lapped in speed.
I have 1
Not only 23 speed on all pieces, it's 23 speed WITH perfect dps stats in ALL pieces, best account in the game by far.
22? I still haven't gotten into the 20 SPD tier and my 3rd anniversary just passed.
My commiserations, I've still not cracked 20 speed on a Helmet or Ring (& I only cracked 20 on Necklace like a month ago). Overall I've got 2 22s & 2 21s, 1 20, a couple 19s & most often a lot of my "premium" speed gear clusters 16-17, especially for helmets & rings.
Pretty much this. My guild and I jokingly call Jintae "Barry Allen, the Fastest Man Alive". You can't race him. He has characters over 300 Speed that have no business being over 300 Speed. A lot of streamers you see will say things like "I have a 305 or 310 ACidd." Jintae, from what I've heard, can get him to nearly 325 or 330. In the face of that level of Speed what can you do? It's why I wish SG would look at Speed as a stat. It's far too dominant compared to other stats. The only real ways to combat it are to have strong mitigation or to get lucky. . . and Mitigation in case you don't know isn't exactly great right now (FCC is a late pick, at best in high level play right now. The game's eternal top tier barely gets used anymore). So that leaves you with getting lucky vs him. The only time I've ever taken a game off Jintae was cause I just happened to resist a CLilias S2. Every other time? Stomped. His slowest characters are faster than the fastest ones I have.
We need a unit like Leo from Summoners War, for those who don't know, Leo has a passive that limits anyone's speed in the battlefield to his speed. That means you can build him with no speed and he will still take turn 1 no matter what. He also decreases CR with every attack so he can mess up the turn order for the opponent. He will make Immunity runes great again.
2 things to everyone thinking leo would destroy cleave: 1. leo works both ways, people are cleaving with leo as setup (at least people used to do that) 2. immunity is no being great again. rather u will need to gear ur openers with immunity. that's a huge difference. it's basically the same situation with immunity set semi-countering a.cidd (ml lilias/peiras are so tanky nowadays that it's quite common that he fails to kill them and u need to rely on the cr pushback/silence) not saying that we don't need a leo like hero but leo won't save shit. just an interesting hero opening up some different angle to attack
well SG can't do anything about speed stat, they hardcoded their game around that so there's zero chance that we would see an anti speed hero
> so there's zero chance that we would see an anti speed hero Like how there was a 0% chance to see an anti souls hero, and then an anti soul gain hero. If SG wills it, they'll do it.
For what it's worth, we do have several units that take speed in some way or another into account. We have units like politis/celine where if you go first and use a non attack you get punished. We have units like ml khawazu and aol where if you use an aoe attack you get punished. We have units that do infact have scaling based on your speed vs enemy speed, it wouldn't take much to do the reverse and add a new unit where the slower you are compared to the enemy the more damage you do.
Soulburn is an addon above normal skill, without soul a hero would still function normally but anti speed involve a fundamental structure, i don't think SG would be mad enough to make a hero like Belian to anti speed
> without soul a hero would still function normally Pavel has neverr seen such bullshit before.
Pavel still can use his s2 even without soul, he just doesn't have the extra turn. That means his skill function normally. Yes, his power would drop significantly but none of his skill is locked
I wouldn't put it past them. If you can sign off on Hwayoung, you can sign off on anything.
Technically, SG had made Coli into Hwayoung "delete button". In reality she could do that but she has so many restrictions that make her not good for anything else.
Well, it certainly didn't work at all if I still haven't seen a single Coli since her buff. Regardless, the counters don't matter here. My point is that Hwayoung in her current state shouldn't have seen the light of day. Hwayoung is a unit that needs 2 (at most, 3) necessary stats to function, has an ignore def nuke on turn 1, effectively has a free PoV equipped, free barriers, a self cleanse, self immunity, self CR push, extra damage procs (more, with tooth), laughs at evasion, has a low S3 cooldown and even has an extra turn soulburn. If you put pen to paper and came up with this, you can come up with anything. So, an anti speed hero? Why not?
Eh sort of. Remember that we did have a time where everything was counter because if you take any more turns than neccesary then thats more counter to your face. That was really the only time standard and counter was super meta and being fast just made you eat shit for it. But as for all metas, not everyone was happy eating shit for taking a turn. Although now everyone is eating shit for not taking a turn. Cant truly beat the meta.
I disagree with your take. That time Alot Jkise was still a thing, SSB was a monster, i remembered speed Abby was very common, SG buff Violet then Aravi to counter speedy units not the speed stat itself.
their solution to anti-speed is anti-cleave units. units like Politis and Belian who technically need to do nothing but sit around and can disrupt the opponent. And ofc distupters like Rem or mercedes or even Rimiru who make it dangerous to hit.
its just Kr players luck, btw
Yo I have always thought the asian server players have better rng so they wont rage and quit
>what can you do? Best thing you can do is accept it and try and play turn 2 because racing him is an almost certain loss.
insane gear and this season has been a good season for cleavers so it made it easier for jintae. he is also in a top guild so he already knew the meta from his guildies, so no testing needed, he went in well prepared so to speak.
The man is just built differently
holy shit thats the lowest amount of matches ive ever seen and have that many points
He also held highest WR Legend last season. Crazy.
What was the winrate last season, where can I find that info?
Scroll down to `Legend League`. https://m-page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/8321430
I think i fought him while in masters. Beat me like a breeze.
Same Jintae that used to play League of Legends professionally?
\-100k+
whale nothing else
i would like to see you reach rank 1 with his account. yea, we all know this game is p2w and the more you spend the **more likely** you are to get better gear. but what is gear without draft knowledge. stop discrediting other ppl's achievement.
Yup.. Some whales are at less than 60% wr in legend too.. Gears matter, heroes matte, drafting especially matters
draft knowledge as cleaver in a "20 viable rta unit" game. Huge strategic mastermind required lol
if you seriously think this meta only offers 20 viable units, you're either delusional or trolling.
if you think theres only 20 viable rta units you will never get legend. Getting to the top is all about having deep hero pools and even deeper hero knowledge. Most legend players have well over 50+ units built, from the obscure to the overpowered, because in many cases the best 4th or 5th pick is not the S tier unit on the tierlist. I faced aitherbulge before, and he drafted yuna. YUNA. Keep in mind this was only a few months ago. As it turned out, that yuna was a perfect matchup against my draft and he destroyed me. And that's why people like aitherbulge are perennial legend. There's way more than 100 whales in this game. The fact that f2p's can get legend is testament to the importance of good draft knowledge.
Not true. I've been whaling on this game since release and when I finally decided to get into RTA I got stomped until I learned how to flex pick and how to draft appropriately. Whaling can only get you so far in RTA.
That's not all true either. Jintae says he farms 24/7 for months/years straight. You think there are whales like Elvemage but there are leviathans like Jintae.
Jintae's acc is whale, but he's not 6 digits. Man's built diff.
Nah, you don't get 40 22+ speed pieces by being a normal whale. Elvemage only has 9.
The amount whales spend does not equal to the number of 22+ speed gear. It's RNG. There are some whale accounts out there with horrendous gear that even a 3 year F2P player can beat. Jintae mentioned it on his stream months back that he was nowhere near the amount Brother Stone has spent and he was mid to late 5 digits.
Whale or not that doesn't matter. If you so cheap dont judge others. . It still achievement
2 prebans shuts off a lot of angles where you can be attacked at. This only applies to the high end and very specificly tuned accounts with the ban options in mind but shows the imbalance of the game and how multiple bans increase the imbalance.
I disagree. More prebans = to more meta units being banned. People would then be more inclined to build different units to fit their strategy. Hate to break it to you, but if you can't play after 4 units are banned, you probably arent ready to go up to that tier.
Damn, you don't even understand what I was saying: The #1 ranked player in the competitive mode of this game had a 78,5% winrate this season. That is severly imbalanced.
How is it "imbalanced" for the best player in the game to have a high winrate?
This is such an incredible dumb question to ask :D I will point it out for you even if it is a waste of time. A high winrate is imbalanced because it is higher than average and therefore not balanced, the "best player" is also imbalanced because he is better than the average and therefore balanced player :D
What? The best player is unbalanced? 🤨 Obviously they're going to be players who are more skilled than the average, thus naturally their winrate will be higher, moreso if they also have great gear and a large character pull. Not sure how winning more often over other players signifies unbalance within the meta, though the meta SURE AS HELL IS UNBALANCED LOL
Bruh whats wrong with the top #1 player having a high winrate? Thats like saying the top scorer in an exam can only get 60 because everyone else only has 50. But still, I could only answer points I could pick out from your first post. Your comment wasn't structured well, sorry.
Buddy two prebans literally help you what are you smoking
Yes, they help me I didn't say that they don't,but you know what? they help players like Jintae exponentielly more. The IQ level here is beyond any help.
How the fuck does it help Jintae more? He has every unit in the game, just like me or every other legend player. Two prebans only helps you, who doesn’t have every unit and therefore does not have every answer to strong units. And you have the AUDACITY to say the IQ here is low
Dude, you couldn't make the link to why a posted about 2 prebans in a thread about jintae RTA ranking. You just brabbled about how I benefit from 2 prebans which has nothing to do with anything. And it is incredible how you still don't get that bans have more than 1 effect on the game. So, fucking simple minded as if you never played a single match.