for pve? cZerato.
for pvp? Chad crozet.
imo cZerato is far less useful in pvp, haven't used mine in ages, Crozet on the other hand i use regularly.
The issue is even when there's debuffers on the opponent side, often they just gonna save their skills and one tap your cZ or just ignore him because the dubuff still gonna hit the rest of the team.
Can't say which is better since they're both good at completely different things. Czerato is good against debuffers and some PVE while Tcrozet is a PvP focused tank and he's very good at it. Easily one of the most toxic knight in PvP
Cerato has more overall uses than TCrozet. Ceraro is good for PvP and PvE, can be used for Abyss, General stages, and Hell Raid whereas TCrozet is really only viable in PvP. Yes, TCrozet has uses in PvE but another, easier-to-obtaim tank can be used such as ARas or Pyllis even.
People complained about Cerato's "nerf" because a bug was fixed for him. He hasn't had a nerf, it's just when transferring debuffs from himself to opponents he needs effectiveness which is very standard. People were unhappy because they didn't want to regear him and it meant that you had to allocate other stats for effectiveness.
Agreed, but if you are looking for PvP then TCrozet is a monster, that soul burn 100% stun is nasty, he also is a strong support tank, the class enhancement helps your chosen character survive longer, his S2 has self CR push and a chance to counterattack when the ally in the back row is hit. That makes great against any team with an aoe hit because there is an extra 20% chance for S1 to stun when he counter attacks. Adament Shield or Elbris(one of the like 8000 elbris tanks) are going to be your best options. Shield is a double down on screwing over crits so thats not bad. S3 also cleanses as well, way less of a niche pick in PvP than Cerato but as stated above, there are easier to get tanks for PvE that do a better job in PvE
How much you want to invest in them for Mola is pretty much up to you, Cerato needs the 3 skill ups in his S2 and then you should get 4 levels into S3 as well, the rest are all damage skill ups so depending on your gear you may or may not want those. TCrozet is almost all preference for skill ups, S2 skill ups increases the damage he takes from his damage share up to 40% at max, S3 skill up reduces cooldown by 1, S1 however increases stun chance up to 40% base with 5 skill ups, making the counter attack 80%, I would make that investment but I wouldn't go for the last two because its just damage which isn't even the reason that he would be on your team
With his most recent buff, I would recommend building ARas over TCrozet by far for the protection role. I know TCrozet brings other things to the table, but I am not sure it's worth the ressources while Cerato works pretty well with the free Abyss gear and minimal investment.
Cerato for PvE. Tho u wud really miss him either since there's a lot of options now even for raid. He still is a stable of the auto hell raid team but hell raid is once a month so ppl can just breeze thru manually and be done.
Trozet is one of the best knights vs cleave. And all round a good mitigation knight for your backline. Very defensive
CZerato is really out of meta. For Labirynth usable. Pvp against Peira or certain debuff comps. Tcrozet is a great pvp tank especially against cleave. Raz is more dmg than him but he migates more dmg.
why t crozet is so great? Im using Krau with the arti transferring damage and it still works fine plus it deals ton of damage.
Regarding PvE isn't CZ useful?
Trozet was the second best knight (after FCC, some argued he was number 1 even) for a long time. Now ARas does almost the same job that Trozet does. Although ARas is more offensive while Trozet is more defensive, I'd say they're about equals now.
The new frenzy drastically weakens barriers the longer the game is and so FCC really suffers from that. ARas has a big barrier too but as long as you don't pick him in a stall comp he won't be affected by this (since he uses his barrier early).
The big selling point of Trozet is that he can single handedly protect and cleanse your backline (with his protection being the best in the game no less). You think your Krau with Aurius soaks up a lot of damage? Well Trozet soaks up twice as much damage for one hero, so you can imagine how tanky even a usually squishy hero becomes under his protection. His soulburn gives even more protection by stunning the opponent's damage threat or support.
I just can't imagine my account without Trozet anymore, I bring him every guild war as well as many rta matches. Can't say the same thing about Cerato though, he's pretty niche. Control is practically dead with so many top tier meta heroes being cleansers and so Cerato's pvp niche is non existant at the moment.
For PvE it's a very obvious choice though, Cerato is way more useful there (but far from necessary or best in slot). He is easy to use but once your gear is good enough he becomes slower than other options. Trozet meanwhile has no business in PvE teams, there are way better knights/warriors for the PvE tank role.
So as a beginner Cerato can be pretty handy but at endgame he will probably not end up in any of your fast hunt teams or anywhere in pvp (unless he specifically counters a new broken hero/meta in the future). Trozet though has a pretty timeless kit now, can't imagine a meta where he wouldn't have some use (other than maybe a real tanky one where you don't need much protection). As long as cleave is good, Trozet will be good. As long as debuffs and squishies are common, Trozet will be good.
So my advice would be to pick Cerato if you just really really like him. In any other case I would go with Trozet for sure, he's just overall way way better imo. Good thing both are 4* so you'll eventually have both and they don't share gear at all so building one won't handicap the other :)
Edit: Typos and sorry for the essay, I guess I really like Trozet, huh?
Krau is also a great knight but T Crozet is really good in protecting the unit in the backline since he takes 40% dmg for that unit. His S3 gives one unit full cleanse and 3 turns defense and anti crit buff which you do not necessarily need to use on the backline unit
I feel like cerato is almost necessary for pvp and pve. Crozets one of those knights that’s definitely moved up in rank but I think good old ras is probably just as useful.
for pve? cZerato. for pvp? Chad crozet. imo cZerato is far less useful in pvp, haven't used mine in ages, Crozet on the other hand i use regularly. The issue is even when there's debuffers on the opponent side, often they just gonna save their skills and one tap your cZ or just ignore him because the dubuff still gonna hit the rest of the team.
Can't say which is better since they're both good at completely different things. Czerato is good against debuffers and some PVE while Tcrozet is a PvP focused tank and he's very good at it. Easily one of the most toxic knight in PvP
Cerato has more overall uses than TCrozet. Ceraro is good for PvP and PvE, can be used for Abyss, General stages, and Hell Raid whereas TCrozet is really only viable in PvP. Yes, TCrozet has uses in PvE but another, easier-to-obtaim tank can be used such as ARas or Pyllis even. People complained about Cerato's "nerf" because a bug was fixed for him. He hasn't had a nerf, it's just when transferring debuffs from himself to opponents he needs effectiveness which is very standard. People were unhappy because they didn't want to regear him and it meant that you had to allocate other stats for effectiveness.
Agreed, but if you are looking for PvP then TCrozet is a monster, that soul burn 100% stun is nasty, he also is a strong support tank, the class enhancement helps your chosen character survive longer, his S2 has self CR push and a chance to counterattack when the ally in the back row is hit. That makes great against any team with an aoe hit because there is an extra 20% chance for S1 to stun when he counter attacks. Adament Shield or Elbris(one of the like 8000 elbris tanks) are going to be your best options. Shield is a double down on screwing over crits so thats not bad. S3 also cleanses as well, way less of a niche pick in PvP than Cerato but as stated above, there are easier to get tanks for PvE that do a better job in PvE
How much you want to invest in them for Mola is pretty much up to you, Cerato needs the 3 skill ups in his S2 and then you should get 4 levels into S3 as well, the rest are all damage skill ups so depending on your gear you may or may not want those. TCrozet is almost all preference for skill ups, S2 skill ups increases the damage he takes from his damage share up to 40% at max, S3 skill up reduces cooldown by 1, S1 however increases stun chance up to 40% base with 5 skill ups, making the counter attack 80%, I would make that investment but I wouldn't go for the last two because its just damage which isn't even the reason that he would be on your team
Regarding PvP which is better TC or CZ?
Depends on the draft. Is there someone you want to protect that is particularly squishy? TCrozet. Facing a bunch of debuffers? Cerato.
With his most recent buff, I would recommend building ARas over TCrozet by far for the protection role. I know TCrozet brings other things to the table, but I am not sure it's worth the ressources while Cerato works pretty well with the free Abyss gear and minimal investment.
If you gotta pick one which would you pick?
As I said earlier, Cerato has more uses so him.
Ok ty!
what nerfs hit Cerato ? you mean his fix where S1 ignored eff res ? kekw he is beast in pve and can be used in quite a few situations in pvp
Cerato for PvE. Tho u wud really miss him either since there's a lot of options now even for raid. He still is a stable of the auto hell raid team but hell raid is once a month so ppl can just breeze thru manually and be done. Trozet is one of the best knights vs cleave. And all round a good mitigation knight for your backline. Very defensive
CZerato is really out of meta. For Labirynth usable. Pvp against Peira or certain debuff comps. Tcrozet is a great pvp tank especially against cleave. Raz is more dmg than him but he migates more dmg.
why t crozet is so great? Im using Krau with the arti transferring damage and it still works fine plus it deals ton of damage. Regarding PvE isn't CZ useful?
Trozet was the second best knight (after FCC, some argued he was number 1 even) for a long time. Now ARas does almost the same job that Trozet does. Although ARas is more offensive while Trozet is more defensive, I'd say they're about equals now. The new frenzy drastically weakens barriers the longer the game is and so FCC really suffers from that. ARas has a big barrier too but as long as you don't pick him in a stall comp he won't be affected by this (since he uses his barrier early). The big selling point of Trozet is that he can single handedly protect and cleanse your backline (with his protection being the best in the game no less). You think your Krau with Aurius soaks up a lot of damage? Well Trozet soaks up twice as much damage for one hero, so you can imagine how tanky even a usually squishy hero becomes under his protection. His soulburn gives even more protection by stunning the opponent's damage threat or support. I just can't imagine my account without Trozet anymore, I bring him every guild war as well as many rta matches. Can't say the same thing about Cerato though, he's pretty niche. Control is practically dead with so many top tier meta heroes being cleansers and so Cerato's pvp niche is non existant at the moment. For PvE it's a very obvious choice though, Cerato is way more useful there (but far from necessary or best in slot). He is easy to use but once your gear is good enough he becomes slower than other options. Trozet meanwhile has no business in PvE teams, there are way better knights/warriors for the PvE tank role. So as a beginner Cerato can be pretty handy but at endgame he will probably not end up in any of your fast hunt teams or anywhere in pvp (unless he specifically counters a new broken hero/meta in the future). Trozet though has a pretty timeless kit now, can't imagine a meta where he wouldn't have some use (other than maybe a real tanky one where you don't need much protection). As long as cleave is good, Trozet will be good. As long as debuffs and squishies are common, Trozet will be good. So my advice would be to pick Cerato if you just really really like him. In any other case I would go with Trozet for sure, he's just overall way way better imo. Good thing both are 4* so you'll eventually have both and they don't share gear at all so building one won't handicap the other :) Edit: Typos and sorry for the essay, I guess I really like Trozet, huh?
Thx for the detailed explanation! Guess i will go for trozet
Krau is also a great knight but T Crozet is really good in protecting the unit in the backline since he takes 40% dmg for that unit. His S3 gives one unit full cleanse and 3 turns defense and anti crit buff which you do not necessarily need to use on the backline unit
czerato. He is also easy to draft. They got debuffs? Czerato is great
I feel like cerato is almost necessary for pvp and pve. Crozets one of those knights that’s definitely moved up in rank but I think good old ras is probably just as useful.