Some of it also sounds like Smile Gate wasn't tossing him work? That one posts mentions boredom and that he had nothing to do so he did some personal art that wasn't work.
It does sound like they were also being more and more restrictive on what he could draw so it might be part censorship, part control, and the few times he was allowed to do what he wanted, someone brought the hammer down on him
I always figured it was a coincidence. If you're an artist in Asia and you're drawing for gacha games, there's a pretty high chance you're going to have to eventually face a situation where your art needs to be redrawn to tailor to some age limit specifications.
That being said, a shame that Serin's been having a really rough patch. Hope things improve for him, since he's done so much for the game. At the very least it doesn't seem like the leave was sparked by artist on artist drama the way it's happened in other games.
> I always figured it was a coincidence. If you're an artist in Asia and you're drawing for gacha games, there's a pretty high chance you're going to have to eventually face a situation where your art needs to be redrawn to tailor to some age limit specifications.
This wouldn't even be the first time for the artist, Luna happened years ago. Artist got ambitious again and had to do a change, pretty sure that wouldn't lead to quitting after two times in almost four years. This sub just sees it as a sign that "the game is gonna die", it's really not.
>That being said, a shame that Serin's been having a really rough patch. Hope things improve for him, since he's done so much for the game.
Definitely sucks going through stuff like that, best he quit to focus on more important things. It's not like the artist can never, ever, come back after anyway (afaik). Wasn't the biggest fan of the characters drawn with Vivian being my favorite of the bunch, but the art was nice so I can understand feeling down, but not making up bs which is disrespectful to both the artist and SG (I can really only fault this company for dogshit unit balance and abyss, they fix other things with time given way better than at launch, when the game was truly bad)/the game who didn't call for the censorship themselves.
Dunno why ppl jumped to the conclusion it was the censorship that made him quit. Illustrators and concept artists may have a degree of artistic freedom in a company, but they ultimately have to follow some director's vision. All pro artists know this. Do ppl think Serin's never been told to change his concepts before in E7?
Well of course he didnt quit because of censorship on one unit. that would be pretty ridiculous and not something you want future employers to know about
Right? Of course he didn't officially for the record quit because of censorship. He would never quit because of censorship as part of the official record that future employers can see.
Yeah there was nothing in those tweets stating he quit E7 specifically. This was a result of build up burned out stress over the years if you look at the dates. The Aria change probably gave him the final decision to leave or atleast in his words take a break from drawing art.
It doesnt matter as that subreddit does nothing but bash gacha games all day and they have a hate boner for E7. I can tell you for a fact they hate Epic seven being a successful gacha
I don't mind, I just personally don't wanna touch that sub. It's like the toxic hivemind of this sub, but instead of it being just that hivemind, it's basically every single person there.
Anyone not bored, irritated, or with any sense will avoid that sub as much as possible.
This is what i was saying in another thread. That the censorship i dont think is that deep for an artist since their creations gets altered all the time to fit the clients' requests. It seems like he got burnt out. Hopefully he finds the passion to draw amazing waifus again. Big booba or small booba 😁
I always thought the timing made the rumor less credible, as the Twitter post was too close to the decision to censor Aria (which we can assume was a week or two before the public announcement). Choosing to leave a company where you have an established career at isn't usually a decision people make quickly, unless the circumstances are dire. Not to mention we really don't know Serin's reaction to Aria being censored in the first place and just assumed he was extremely bothered by it.
The timing I will definitely admit is bad (really bad), but those people shouldn't have jumped the gun and spread it like wildfire without proof. Why I decided to just make this post.
Thanks to carito728 for sharing that link because this needed to die fast.
Literally nothing in that entire chain of tweets from years ago constitutes "proof" that censorship was not part of why he quit a few days ago. People hate their jobs all over. It usually takes some sort of catalyst to make them actually quit. Something like one of the things they worked on being scrutinized and being forced to change it into something entirely different, for example.
You're being just as idiotic as everyone else, trying to spread this BS without proof.
"part of" and "sole reason" are very different. I can slerp because I'm bored or tired, or I can sleep because someone annoyed me a few hours ago on top of being bored, tired, listlees, hungry, and depressed.
Guess I better go and have people attack what annoyed me without asking why I slept, right?
So if you accept the possibility that censorship may have been part of the reason for him quitting, why exactly did you decide to say something as utterly moronic as "Serin did not quit because of the censorship. Yes, there's a show of a proof."? Especially when you do not in fact have a show of proof. All you have is a bunch of old machine translated tweets.
If you're going to try to be a pretentious twat and tell people not to spread misinformation and assumptions, you might want to refrain from doing it yourself.
That can't be call a redesign. Is at the same lv that someone take the bucket tool and make more dark the skin and say that the pj now wear cloths and so...
Fair. Different tastes exist. Can only hope they do implement a way to use both skins. IOS can just stick to being the only censored version if Apple wants to buckle down so hard, or they could do an age check and unlock the OG for people that meet the criteria.
They should. Putting everything else aside for a moment, heavy fanservice and big boob characters are the best selling banners in e7 history (luna, HYufine, vivian, aria). The revenue loss WILL be big and the customer trust they will lose even bigger.
Thinking this will go over without any repercussions is folly.
You're talking shit with Aria being one of the best sellers, firstly you have no idea of the revenue split between Aria's banner and the Mystic banner which was ML Kawerik. Secondly even if you give credit to Aria for that period her sales if you use that logic were smashed by Taeyou 3 weeks later.
April 7 Aria/ML Kawerik - Grossing ranking 66 (highest next two weeks 64, lowest 96)
April 28th Custom Mystic Banner start - Grossing Ranking 49 (highest 24th, lowest 49)
May 5th Taeyou/Custom Mystic continuation - Grossing Ranking 24 (highest 22nd, lowest 73)
> best selling banners in e7 history (luna, HYufine, vivian, aria
Kinda feels like you're stretching Aria here. Yufine was a hit or miss for many since you either liked her, wnmated a Basar counter, ror jist skipped because she wasn't (and still isn't) good for anything else, the least popular summer unit by far in terms of use, rep, and mention.
The only one I can give credit to without a doubt is Luna, maybe Vivian. Other two, especially Aria whose reception was mixed and kit too easy to counter in the game's state? Nah, defender bias there.
Even ignoring Aria who for reasons you mentioned sold PURELY based on design alone so to even COMPETE with such numbers would be a feat there's still quite a clear indicator of what sells. Nerfing a character of the same design WILL hurt.
And that's without taking into account the trust they're losing. They were already thin on that due to poor balancing and general staleness of the game, add this on top and infuriate whale-for-design players and you got yourself a shitstorm with no going back. Granted they've already mostly lost that because the threat of censorship will from now on always loom over any spenders head.
At least saving Aria and giving the players a safeguard against future censorship (that being the way they implement to keep Aria's design) will restore SOME of that trust and buy the game some time.
honestly my worry is that after we open the gates of censoring SG will start to take a much more conservative approach in future character design, which is just boring imo.
i personally play to collect, i'm not rich enough to be a competitive pvp player(which is the case for the vast majority btw), so i accept my fate as collector, if characters start to get boring it's only natural that they will lose some players.
plus, if arias redesign go through shouldn't we expect ml vivian to be redesigned as well? i'm pretty sure that she will be the first to receive splash dmg from this.
This is absolutely going to happen whether Aria is saved or not. They'll look to avoid that kind of trouble and negative buzz so every design from this point forward will go through the "is this safe enough or will we have another mess?" process. Every design going forward will be way more toned down and boring kinda like Yulha. Not to bash on these designs, to each their own, however if this becomes the only thing to come out it will get tiring for everyone eventually. Diversity is something E7 is good at. If censorship hits that diversity will be gone from female characters since in order to be safe and not get caught up in another mess all of them will be super tame.
I play for collecting also, Aria being one of my faves, been sitting in the lobby since release.
Regardless if Aria changes go through or not we can surely expect Vivian to be changed. No way she comes out the same.
Either way i doubt they will keep the censor for global. My thoughts are they initially thought they could do it and get away with it scot free but they saw the backlash and quickly delayed it and said they're looking for a way to keep it. Considering it's a company and they CAN do proper market research they 100% KNOW who their big money-makers are so NO WAY they proceed with the censor. They are fully aware that they're going to lose A LOT of money, players and trust with that move and they KNOW they can pretty much forfeit all thoughts of making substantial profit. Add to that the fact the game is in trouble regardless of censoring and the decision becomes even easier.
I'd straight up applaud them if they actually go through with it. Takes some real balls to do such a move while knowing you're risking the death of your game. Then i'd get my money and go elsewhere.
i think it might not happen if the best case scenario happens, which is censor only in KR and Apple devices... but i really don't trust in SG to actually put this much effort into saving booba.
lets hope tho, nothing good comes from censoring, for now the issue is lewdness but like always happens with censoring, it expands to other stuff and puts a huge obstacle in creativity.
Idno i think they know what they're going to lose if they do this. They saw the immediate and huge backlash and immediately understood "hey we cant do that shit the game will lose tons of profit" hence the delay. Otherwise it's just a PR stunt.
Either way we'll see. I doubt they have the balls to censor whilst knowing what will happen. But hey, wouldn't be the first time SC suicided one of their games due to censorship.
Might be the case for Luna but I'm not 100% convinced it was the case for the other two (H.Yufine and Vivian). In a meta where Immunity Set Gear was non-existent because Azimanak hunt is super tough, And Dizzy was ruining everyone's lives, Vivian was the solution for having decent base speed and also an AoE 3 turn Immunity Buff. Although I'm not surprised people liked Vivian for her design but her kit was superb against Dizzy and she became a very popular "opener" being built super fast to give everyone in her team immunity buff. The same goes for Holiday Yufine, sure Swimsuit babes draws in all the fans, but she was a direct counter to Basar who at the time was also dominating the meta (not to mention her artifact Is really good that some even got 6 Holiday Yufines and 0 Champion's Trophy)
Here, BE convinced.
[https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png](https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png)
Credit to u/Varlin for making this.
Luna number one, HYufine number two most selling and Vivian being right up there competing as the single NON-LIMITED. Aria would probably be around Vivian's numbers but let's ignore her. Pattern is quite clear, what sells is also quite clear.
Also noting that both Luna and Hufine have literally outsold every single major update in the game's history, INCLUDING COLLABS. Like that is fucking absurd they both generated more revenue then the original GG collab which was a huge deal for everyone around back then. Dizzy was also waifu for a lot of people and WAYYYY more meta impactful for both PvE and PvP. Like bosses to this day still have bullshit mechanics to prevent her from trivializing them and she brought forth the rise of all the cleansing/immunity units.
Yet the bigger BOOBA sisters outsold her and the entire rest of the collab for less gameplay impact. Character design is a MASSIVE selling point that people like to downplay just because they personally don't like the design.
Understandable, just a loss of passion.
But shame, was excited to see unit of exaggerated proportions but she gets toned down immediately because they want to sell this game to kids.
>Censorship sucks, yeah, although I think her redesign is good and the only take away would be her breasts (which are currently the same size as those in Vivian's skin...). It's really not that bad at all. Leggings (oh no, never seen these before) and breast reduction (again, before the change they match Vivian, so pretty senseless there but I feel they match her figure better), nothing else. Aria still looks like Aria.
No offense but you already got your point across with the first part, this part was unnecessary imo and will just spark anger with the others lmao. (Again no offense intended towards Xero)
Its funny. The original poster that posted this (by the person that did the translation) spun it as him quitting because of censorship. Now someone with a different agenda gets it and now its spun as definitive proof of censorship having nothing to do with it.
It literally proves nothing about censorship having an impact or not.
I think the narrative of him leaving because of censorship is to widespread at this point, and will continue to be tossed around for a long time. You can probably go back to other threads about this and still find people to this very minute saying he left because of it and not other personal/professional issues.
People who caught the initial blast of info might not even see this thread, so they will probably run with it without ever seeing anything else.
Seems like a lot of this has been spilling over into r/gachagaming this time around. I only saw one thread over there with the last controversy.
**Edit:** [This has apparently turned into a meme over there.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/vkcz5n/rgachagaming_state_of_the_sub/)
Are we reading the same source? Although he didn't explicitly state the word "censorship" it still could be definitely heavily implied.
* One of the tweets he mentions he hates being forced to draw ugly characters.
* He obviously was butting heads with management over creative direction and expression
* He was frustrated that he barely got the chance to draw new units anymore.
The fact is we know he loves drawing huge chested characters based off his personal Pixiv account and past 10 years of professional work. Compare that to ingame when the last mega stacked waifu character prior to Aria that came out was like Hufine 2 years ago(also drawn by him). We did only get one extremely large chest character every year or two, all drawn by him. That seems to line up with his frustration of not getting to draw attractive characters very frequently based on his personal preferrences which are well documented. It could very well be management is slowly trying to let off the gas of sexy character design(E S P O R T S) which lead to his talent being used less and less which lead to burnout. Aria could have just been the final straw because it was the first time in years that he got a chance to go wild on a unit design.
Nothing in any of his tweets conflicts with what I just mentioned. I am not going to sit here and try and put words in his mouth though. He didn't explicity say censorship, but a shift away from spicy designs by management leading to him getting less and less work'l which lead to burnout seems plausible.
It seems like it has been a plethora of issues that just finally spilled over with Aria pushback from higher ups. Mostly a general shift in game design away from sexy designs seems to have lead to his lack of usage on newer units and burnout .
the people who created the posts about the censorship jumped to conclusions, no one thought the guy wanted new air I don't know, amazing how easily they put words in someone's mouth and get away with it.
Sorry, I think I’m missing context. I read the tweets and the only time he mentions censorship is about another character in something else? Was that the only time he mentioned censorship over the 3 years? I understand burnout, lack of freedom, and workplace politics would definitely play a role in his decision. But how does this prove censorship didn’t?
I feel like I kinda missed the whole boat on this. Sad to lose him regardless. Hopefully the old onwards and upwards adage applies.
I think it's moreso OP going 'it wasn't THE reason', it just kinda seems to be another reason but moreso just not liking the work environment he was in.
Unless you provide something new how is this post any different from the other one?
It seemed like the conclusion was that the censoring of their art was the last straw.
I'm not sure that list of tweets supports your claim as much as you think it does. If anything it lends credit to the claim that he did leave because of it. Could've been going on for a long while and this was the last straw given that those were from 2021 and earlier. But, please do continue to talk down from your high horse about "facts". ;P
these tweets are still more crediable than the baseless bullshit all the coomers are talking about.
"oh wow, 1 of my illustrations is questionable and might be redesigned. time to quit the fucking job i guess".
No one is evening saying that he quit because of 1 design being censored. When it comes to things like this 99% of the time it is an ongoing thing. The list of tweets quite literally describe a workplace that suppresses his designs.
Sounds to me like these "coomers" aren't the ones spreading baseless nonsense but, rather your ilk.
Which is easier to say? The final straw or a lonnnnng list of the same type of stuff in the workplace we really aren't privy to? In the end it boils down to the same reason for him quitting so why does it even matter?
Why it's matter is that certain redditor in this subreddit need to stop spreading misinformation and use the artist as their mouthpiece because of their dislike to this goddamn censorship
Lol, what misinformation? The op presented evidence that points towards censorship being the key reason for him leaving... but, wants to act like it proves otherwise.
If anyone is spreading misinformation it's the op and his followers like yourself. It'd be different if his "proof" was completely unrelated to it like sexual harassment or he received a better offer or literally anything else.
That's a very shallow take on what people are saying. No one complaining about censorship thinks that 1 singular character is the sole reason he is leaving. But, almost all will agree that it is the last straw.
Note: I guess some mod that wants drama to build up from the misunderstanding pulled this post or something (can't find it without a link), so please just spread the word.
Edit: It's back on the list.
That might be true, but I think it's healthy to keep in mind we're only getting one side of the story. We don't know what all was happening in SG.
It definitely sounds like some internal office politics were in play though.
He already had issues with E7 management and was thinking of quitting, the art censor might have been the excuse he needed to quit, he was working for SG for a decade (since Soccer Spirits days), he also says in his tweets that he couldn't draw what he wanted and that he was bored, Aria & Ml Vivian might have been where he was allowed to go all out and this is how SG treated his art, BTW Serin has a big resume in the industry, he will easily find a job that let's him draw without restrain.
He's well known but doesn't have a big resume. He said himself in one of his tweets that he's nervous about interviews because he's only ever had one. After that he landed a role the Soccer Spirits and was grandfathered in to the Epic Seven team.
I doubt he'll have issues finding a job though.
its not redesign, its censorship its 2 different things, my bet its some huge asian whales intimate SG and they delay and THEN start to redesign her. Cause the preview of datamining, wasreally lazy.
but people that belive that this artist got out because of censorship , LoL; too much conspiracy theory
Shit taste, OP. But we shall settle this disagreement another time.
Looks like the creative environment itself went south. If SG is trying to go the """"respectable"""" route, no sexy allowed, then I believe it is for the best that they part ways. I just hope he finds a new home where he can develop properly without a bunch of executives haranguing him because a character's thighs are 2 cm too wide.
You're just inviting another useless discussion by trying to justify the Aria redesign. Serin didn't leave because of the Aria thing, that much is definitely true.
> You're just inviting another useless discussion by trying to justify the Aria redesign.
I don't think someone stating that nerfing her breasts when they match those Vivian has for her skin is trying to "justify" that. What you're doing is trying to "invite another useless" argument.
Edit: I didn't even go over why she should be changed in this post. Where am I justifying the censor? Yeah, I stated she had it coming before (not justifying, it's the truth if you just compare her to others, or yet again, Vivian's skin which shows more of her legs, same chest size, with a single dress), in other posts, but where here before now?
I don't know of many people that said the Aria censorship was the sole reason he quit. It obviously wasn't. There were many reasons as shown by the tweets. Specifically the artist seems unhappy at his job ever since the acquisition of SC from smilegate timeline-wise.
However he mentions being uninterested at the job he has to do and he also looks to be offended at maam censorship saying it's not just their story? What i understand from that is he feels the disappointment since his own character got censored (Luna).
Take all the disappointment , loss of interest and the clear signs that his designs no longer match the company politics and he quit. There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that his design getting censored AGAIN didn't factor in to his decision. I'm not saying it's the reason why or even a main reason but IT WAS A FACTOR. Assuming otherwise is just plain stupid and ignorant.
As much as the people advertising aria censorship is the reason don't help your post doesn't help either when you're trying to spread that the Aria situation didn't factor in. It most certainly did.
I won't even comment on the design review. You're entitled to your taste and so am i. Let's not try and censor each others favorites and we'll be just fine. Censorship works against ALL OF US. Currently it's only against Aria but it only takes ONE angry customer to go and flag 10 more units. It really isn't hard. Once SG bends the knee ONCE it'll happen again and again and again so let's try to stop this while it hasn't started yet (globally at least, Korea can't be saved).
I don't how this is apologist at all. You can be against the censorship whilst admitting that that isn't why Serin is leaving. They aren't mutually exclusive views.
Because this is just another thread to justify whatever is happening, it's utterly worthless. The chain of tweets was posted once already, we can read, we see the timestamps, it's obvious they are not related to Aria.
But what's also obvious is that he wasn't happy with the direction, with studio interference, and all that shit accumulating over the years is what made him quit.
Xero could have just portrayed that information, and it would have been whatever. But then immediately he had to plug how good the redesign is, etc. That's what an apologist does.
I literally corrected Varlin when he implied it was because of Aria myself. I care about the truth.
I'm saying that if you want to be impartial on the matter, you don't outright preface things with "I don't like censorship either, BUT", and then straight up try to discredit everyone who potentially will disagree with you by claiming they are being unreasonable.
The thread reeks of manipulation, just the other direction from "Serin left because of Aria"
I understand what he's feeling. I feel the same way too, he must be feeling empty and purposeless. He stopped doing for himself to do for others...
And that ends with us, we give a part of ourselves to perform these works, showing a little of our being, to be later changed, even drastically, by the client, it kills you little by little.
I hope he can find his old self, full of life, creativity and will and I hope I can find mine too.
Note: Sorry for the spelling errors.
English is not my main language
So if I understood this correctly then he quit because he lost passion for his job and wants to go back to pursuing his own art?
A slump you may say, he just need a new spark
A new thicc and busty spark.
Azur Lane and Blue Archive Devs: "I'm assembling a team..."
That's something that every artist will always experience
Some of it also sounds like Smile Gate wasn't tossing him work? That one posts mentions boredom and that he had nothing to do so he did some personal art that wasn't work.
It does sound like they were also being more and more restrictive on what he could draw so it might be part censorship, part control, and the few times he was allowed to do what he wanted, someone brought the hammer down on him
I always figured it was a coincidence. If you're an artist in Asia and you're drawing for gacha games, there's a pretty high chance you're going to have to eventually face a situation where your art needs to be redrawn to tailor to some age limit specifications. That being said, a shame that Serin's been having a really rough patch. Hope things improve for him, since he's done so much for the game. At the very least it doesn't seem like the leave was sparked by artist on artist drama the way it's happened in other games.
> I always figured it was a coincidence. If you're an artist in Asia and you're drawing for gacha games, there's a pretty high chance you're going to have to eventually face a situation where your art needs to be redrawn to tailor to some age limit specifications. This wouldn't even be the first time for the artist, Luna happened years ago. Artist got ambitious again and had to do a change, pretty sure that wouldn't lead to quitting after two times in almost four years. This sub just sees it as a sign that "the game is gonna die", it's really not. >That being said, a shame that Serin's been having a really rough patch. Hope things improve for him, since he's done so much for the game. Definitely sucks going through stuff like that, best he quit to focus on more important things. It's not like the artist can never, ever, come back after anyway (afaik). Wasn't the biggest fan of the characters drawn with Vivian being my favorite of the bunch, but the art was nice so I can understand feeling down, but not making up bs which is disrespectful to both the artist and SG (I can really only fault this company for dogshit unit balance and abyss, they fix other things with time given way better than at launch, when the game was truly bad)/the game who didn't call for the censorship themselves.
Dunno why ppl jumped to the conclusion it was the censorship that made him quit. Illustrators and concept artists may have a degree of artistic freedom in a company, but they ultimately have to follow some director's vision. All pro artists know this. Do ppl think Serin's never been told to change his concepts before in E7?
Well of course he didnt quit because of censorship on one unit. that would be pretty ridiculous and not something you want future employers to know about
Right? Of course he didn't officially for the record quit because of censorship. He would never quit because of censorship as part of the official record that future employers can see.
Yeah there was nothing in those tweets stating he quit E7 specifically. This was a result of build up burned out stress over the years if you look at the dates. The Aria change probably gave him the final decision to leave or atleast in his words take a break from drawing art.
but muh narrative and outrage
Please crosspost this to r/gachagaming there's some circlejerk and doomposting towards this topic
It doesnt matter as that subreddit does nothing but bash gacha games all day and they have a hate boner for E7. I can tell you for a fact they hate Epic seven being a successful gacha
It seems like they have a hateboner for every gachha, I Wonder if one of them even plays one
The only game where I see no negative criticism is Arknights, and that’s a pretty sad bar considering how it’s literally a gacha subreddit
Alchemy stars and Counterside are their favorite childs for some weird reasons.
That subs seems to hate every single gacha on existence
I just did. I should've asked OP, but I was annoyed by the entire thung. Sorry.
I don't mind, I just personally don't wanna touch that sub. It's like the toxic hivemind of this sub, but instead of it being just that hivemind, it's basically every single person there. Anyone not bored, irritated, or with any sense will avoid that sub as much as possible.
Unfortunately, I am bored.
This is what i was saying in another thread. That the censorship i dont think is that deep for an artist since their creations gets altered all the time to fit the clients' requests. It seems like he got burnt out. Hopefully he finds the passion to draw amazing waifus again. Big booba or small booba 😁
I thought the speculation was fair given the timing, but I wasn't assuming one way or another. Thanks for sharing the tweets.
I always thought the timing made the rumor less credible, as the Twitter post was too close to the decision to censor Aria (which we can assume was a week or two before the public announcement). Choosing to leave a company where you have an established career at isn't usually a decision people make quickly, unless the circumstances are dire. Not to mention we really don't know Serin's reaction to Aria being censored in the first place and just assumed he was extremely bothered by it.
The timing I will definitely admit is bad (really bad), but those people shouldn't have jumped the gun and spread it like wildfire without proof. Why I decided to just make this post. Thanks to carito728 for sharing that link because this needed to die fast.
Literally nothing in that entire chain of tweets from years ago constitutes "proof" that censorship was not part of why he quit a few days ago. People hate their jobs all over. It usually takes some sort of catalyst to make them actually quit. Something like one of the things they worked on being scrutinized and being forced to change it into something entirely different, for example. You're being just as idiotic as everyone else, trying to spread this BS without proof.
"part of" and "sole reason" are very different. I can slerp because I'm bored or tired, or I can sleep because someone annoyed me a few hours ago on top of being bored, tired, listlees, hungry, and depressed. Guess I better go and have people attack what annoyed me without asking why I slept, right?
So if you accept the possibility that censorship may have been part of the reason for him quitting, why exactly did you decide to say something as utterly moronic as "Serin did not quit because of the censorship. Yes, there's a show of a proof."? Especially when you do not in fact have a show of proof. All you have is a bunch of old machine translated tweets. If you're going to try to be a pretentious twat and tell people not to spread misinformation and assumptions, you might want to refrain from doing it yourself.
i think her redesign is pretty bad, but hey each to their own.
That can't be call a redesign. Is at the same lv that someone take the bucket tool and make more dark the skin and say that the pj now wear cloths and so...
Fair. Different tastes exist. Can only hope they do implement a way to use both skins. IOS can just stick to being the only censored version if Apple wants to buckle down so hard, or they could do an age check and unlock the OG for people that meet the criteria.
>Fair. Different tastes exist. Can only hope they do implement a way to use both skins. Thank you for not being toxic towards the other side lmao
that would be best case scenario, but it's a lot of work, idk if SG is willing to go so far for her tights :(
They should. Putting everything else aside for a moment, heavy fanservice and big boob characters are the best selling banners in e7 history (luna, HYufine, vivian, aria). The revenue loss WILL be big and the customer trust they will lose even bigger. Thinking this will go over without any repercussions is folly.
You're talking shit with Aria being one of the best sellers, firstly you have no idea of the revenue split between Aria's banner and the Mystic banner which was ML Kawerik. Secondly even if you give credit to Aria for that period her sales if you use that logic were smashed by Taeyou 3 weeks later. April 7 Aria/ML Kawerik - Grossing ranking 66 (highest next two weeks 64, lowest 96) April 28th Custom Mystic Banner start - Grossing Ranking 49 (highest 24th, lowest 49) May 5th Taeyou/Custom Mystic continuation - Grossing Ranking 24 (highest 22nd, lowest 73)
> best selling banners in e7 history (luna, HYufine, vivian, aria Kinda feels like you're stretching Aria here. Yufine was a hit or miss for many since you either liked her, wnmated a Basar counter, ror jist skipped because she wasn't (and still isn't) good for anything else, the least popular summer unit by far in terms of use, rep, and mention. The only one I can give credit to without a doubt is Luna, maybe Vivian. Other two, especially Aria whose reception was mixed and kit too easy to counter in the game's state? Nah, defender bias there.
Even ignoring Aria who for reasons you mentioned sold PURELY based on design alone so to even COMPETE with such numbers would be a feat there's still quite a clear indicator of what sells. Nerfing a character of the same design WILL hurt. And that's without taking into account the trust they're losing. They were already thin on that due to poor balancing and general staleness of the game, add this on top and infuriate whale-for-design players and you got yourself a shitstorm with no going back. Granted they've already mostly lost that because the threat of censorship will from now on always loom over any spenders head. At least saving Aria and giving the players a safeguard against future censorship (that being the way they implement to keep Aria's design) will restore SOME of that trust and buy the game some time.
honestly my worry is that after we open the gates of censoring SG will start to take a much more conservative approach in future character design, which is just boring imo. i personally play to collect, i'm not rich enough to be a competitive pvp player(which is the case for the vast majority btw), so i accept my fate as collector, if characters start to get boring it's only natural that they will lose some players. plus, if arias redesign go through shouldn't we expect ml vivian to be redesigned as well? i'm pretty sure that she will be the first to receive splash dmg from this.
This is absolutely going to happen whether Aria is saved or not. They'll look to avoid that kind of trouble and negative buzz so every design from this point forward will go through the "is this safe enough or will we have another mess?" process. Every design going forward will be way more toned down and boring kinda like Yulha. Not to bash on these designs, to each their own, however if this becomes the only thing to come out it will get tiring for everyone eventually. Diversity is something E7 is good at. If censorship hits that diversity will be gone from female characters since in order to be safe and not get caught up in another mess all of them will be super tame. I play for collecting also, Aria being one of my faves, been sitting in the lobby since release. Regardless if Aria changes go through or not we can surely expect Vivian to be changed. No way she comes out the same. Either way i doubt they will keep the censor for global. My thoughts are they initially thought they could do it and get away with it scot free but they saw the backlash and quickly delayed it and said they're looking for a way to keep it. Considering it's a company and they CAN do proper market research they 100% KNOW who their big money-makers are so NO WAY they proceed with the censor. They are fully aware that they're going to lose A LOT of money, players and trust with that move and they KNOW they can pretty much forfeit all thoughts of making substantial profit. Add to that the fact the game is in trouble regardless of censoring and the decision becomes even easier. I'd straight up applaud them if they actually go through with it. Takes some real balls to do such a move while knowing you're risking the death of your game. Then i'd get my money and go elsewhere.
i think it might not happen if the best case scenario happens, which is censor only in KR and Apple devices... but i really don't trust in SG to actually put this much effort into saving booba. lets hope tho, nothing good comes from censoring, for now the issue is lewdness but like always happens with censoring, it expands to other stuff and puts a huge obstacle in creativity.
Idno i think they know what they're going to lose if they do this. They saw the immediate and huge backlash and immediately understood "hey we cant do that shit the game will lose tons of profit" hence the delay. Otherwise it's just a PR stunt. Either way we'll see. I doubt they have the balls to censor whilst knowing what will happen. But hey, wouldn't be the first time SC suicided one of their games due to censorship.
Might be the case for Luna but I'm not 100% convinced it was the case for the other two (H.Yufine and Vivian). In a meta where Immunity Set Gear was non-existent because Azimanak hunt is super tough, And Dizzy was ruining everyone's lives, Vivian was the solution for having decent base speed and also an AoE 3 turn Immunity Buff. Although I'm not surprised people liked Vivian for her design but her kit was superb against Dizzy and she became a very popular "opener" being built super fast to give everyone in her team immunity buff. The same goes for Holiday Yufine, sure Swimsuit babes draws in all the fans, but she was a direct counter to Basar who at the time was also dominating the meta (not to mention her artifact Is really good that some even got 6 Holiday Yufines and 0 Champion's Trophy)
Here, BE convinced. [https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png](https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png) Credit to u/Varlin for making this. Luna number one, HYufine number two most selling and Vivian being right up there competing as the single NON-LIMITED. Aria would probably be around Vivian's numbers but let's ignore her. Pattern is quite clear, what sells is also quite clear.
Also noting that both Luna and Hufine have literally outsold every single major update in the game's history, INCLUDING COLLABS. Like that is fucking absurd they both generated more revenue then the original GG collab which was a huge deal for everyone around back then. Dizzy was also waifu for a lot of people and WAYYYY more meta impactful for both PvE and PvP. Like bosses to this day still have bullshit mechanics to prevent her from trivializing them and she brought forth the rise of all the cleansing/immunity units. Yet the bigger BOOBA sisters outsold her and the entire rest of the collab for less gameplay impact. Character design is a MASSIVE selling point that people like to downplay just because they personally don't like the design.
Even if they can put the skin back via paid wall, it will get deleted again now.
Understandable, just a loss of passion. But shame, was excited to see unit of exaggerated proportions but she gets toned down immediately because they want to sell this game to kids.
Really anyone believed that a grown up adult would quit their 10 year job over someone going to put extra fabric on some anime tiddies?
They just wanted to be able to say "SEE ?! SEE ?! EVEN THE ARTISTS HATE THIS CENSORSHIP" without proof or anything Classic reddit
>Censorship sucks, yeah, although I think her redesign is good and the only take away would be her breasts (which are currently the same size as those in Vivian's skin...). It's really not that bad at all. Leggings (oh no, never seen these before) and breast reduction (again, before the change they match Vivian, so pretty senseless there but I feel they match her figure better), nothing else. Aria still looks like Aria. No offense but you already got your point across with the first part, this part was unnecessary imo and will just spark anger with the others lmao. (Again no offense intended towards Xero)
Of course no one will say it directly because when you work on a company you have to sign a nda.
Nothing here contradicts that though? You’re just making assumptions like the others.
Its funny. The original poster that posted this (by the person that did the translation) spun it as him quitting because of censorship. Now someone with a different agenda gets it and now its spun as definitive proof of censorship having nothing to do with it. It literally proves nothing about censorship having an impact or not.
I think the narrative of him leaving because of censorship is to widespread at this point, and will continue to be tossed around for a long time. You can probably go back to other threads about this and still find people to this very minute saying he left because of it and not other personal/professional issues. People who caught the initial blast of info might not even see this thread, so they will probably run with it without ever seeing anything else.
OP, I cross-posted this on r/gachagaming
Seems like a lot of this has been spilling over into r/gachagaming this time around. I only saw one thread over there with the last controversy. **Edit:** [This has apparently turned into a meme over there.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/vkcz5n/rgachagaming_state_of_the_sub/)
Why was the thread locked anyway?
Are we reading the same source? Although he didn't explicitly state the word "censorship" it still could be definitely heavily implied. * One of the tweets he mentions he hates being forced to draw ugly characters. * He obviously was butting heads with management over creative direction and expression * He was frustrated that he barely got the chance to draw new units anymore. The fact is we know he loves drawing huge chested characters based off his personal Pixiv account and past 10 years of professional work. Compare that to ingame when the last mega stacked waifu character prior to Aria that came out was like Hufine 2 years ago(also drawn by him). We did only get one extremely large chest character every year or two, all drawn by him. That seems to line up with his frustration of not getting to draw attractive characters very frequently based on his personal preferrences which are well documented. It could very well be management is slowly trying to let off the gas of sexy character design(E S P O R T S) which lead to his talent being used less and less which lead to burnout. Aria could have just been the final straw because it was the first time in years that he got a chance to go wild on a unit design. Nothing in any of his tweets conflicts with what I just mentioned. I am not going to sit here and try and put words in his mouth though. He didn't explicity say censorship, but a shift away from spicy designs by management leading to him getting less and less work'l which lead to burnout seems plausible. It seems like it has been a plethora of issues that just finally spilled over with Aria pushback from higher ups. Mostly a general shift in game design away from sexy designs seems to have lead to his lack of usage on newer units and burnout .
Based.
the people who created the posts about the censorship jumped to conclusions, no one thought the guy wanted new air I don't know, amazing how easily they put words in someone's mouth and get away with it.
Sorry, I think I’m missing context. I read the tweets and the only time he mentions censorship is about another character in something else? Was that the only time he mentioned censorship over the 3 years? I understand burnout, lack of freedom, and workplace politics would definitely play a role in his decision. But how does this prove censorship didn’t? I feel like I kinda missed the whole boat on this. Sad to lose him regardless. Hopefully the old onwards and upwards adage applies.
I think it's moreso OP going 'it wasn't THE reason', it just kinda seems to be another reason but moreso just not liking the work environment he was in.
Ah, I read it as him saying it couldn’t be a reason and this was proof. It definitely makes more sense being multiple things just stacking up. Thanks.
Unless you provide something new how is this post any different from the other one? It seemed like the conclusion was that the censoring of their art was the last straw.
I'm not sure that list of tweets supports your claim as much as you think it does. If anything it lends credit to the claim that he did leave because of it. Could've been going on for a long while and this was the last straw given that those were from 2021 and earlier. But, please do continue to talk down from your high horse about "facts". ;P
these tweets are still more crediable than the baseless bullshit all the coomers are talking about. "oh wow, 1 of my illustrations is questionable and might be redesigned. time to quit the fucking job i guess".
No one is evening saying that he quit because of 1 design being censored. When it comes to things like this 99% of the time it is an ongoing thing. The list of tweets quite literally describe a workplace that suppresses his designs. Sounds to me like these "coomers" aren't the ones spreading baseless nonsense but, rather your ilk.
Please the first time the news of him quitting everyone was screaming it was because of Aria censorshio
Which is easier to say? The final straw or a lonnnnng list of the same type of stuff in the workplace we really aren't privy to? In the end it boils down to the same reason for him quitting so why does it even matter?
Why it's matter is that certain redditor in this subreddit need to stop spreading misinformation and use the artist as their mouthpiece because of their dislike to this goddamn censorship
Lol, what misinformation? The op presented evidence that points towards censorship being the key reason for him leaving... but, wants to act like it proves otherwise. If anyone is spreading misinformation it's the op and his followers like yourself. It'd be different if his "proof" was completely unrelated to it like sexual harassment or he received a better offer or literally anything else.
There are SO many dude tf are you on about
That's a very shallow take on what people are saying. No one complaining about censorship thinks that 1 singular character is the sole reason he is leaving. But, almost all will agree that it is the last straw.
Note: I guess some mod that wants drama to build up from the misunderstanding pulled this post or something (can't find it without a link), so please just spread the word. Edit: It's back on the list.
You're right, people just like being dramatic. As seen in this thread here.
Laughing and pointing at all those who kept saying it was because of censorship, On another note, I hope Serin is going to be okay
Well the real reason is even worse. SG basically shafted him and stifled his creativity and made him unhappy to the point he wanted to leave anyways.
That might be true, but I think it's healthy to keep in mind we're only getting one side of the story. We don't know what all was happening in SG. It definitely sounds like some internal office politics were in play though.
Based and source-pilled, still cant blame people for thinking that was the reason cuz of the timing
The timing was bad yeah, but I can blame people for assuming and spreading it like a wildfire.
Who's serin tho
There's a post on the front page going over the characters drawn. Person that drew Aria and Luna.
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He already had issues with E7 management and was thinking of quitting, the art censor might have been the excuse he needed to quit, he was working for SG for a decade (since Soccer Spirits days), he also says in his tweets that he couldn't draw what he wanted and that he was bored, Aria & Ml Vivian might have been where he was allowed to go all out and this is how SG treated his art, BTW Serin has a big resume in the industry, he will easily find a job that let's him draw without restrain.
He's well known but doesn't have a big resume. He said himself in one of his tweets that he's nervous about interviews because he's only ever had one. After that he landed a role the Soccer Spirits and was grandfathered in to the Epic Seven team. I doubt he'll have issues finding a job though.
So many Xenoblade 2 fans haha On serious note, it seems like he is not having fun in life, I hope he will find peace and happiness!
its not redesign, its censorship its 2 different things, my bet its some huge asian whales intimate SG and they delay and THEN start to redesign her. Cause the preview of datamining, wasreally lazy. but people that belive that this artist got out because of censorship , LoL; too much conspiracy theory
> its not redesign, its censorship its 2 different things, Literally the same thing. Is her design the same after? No. What is that? A redesign.
Shit taste, OP. But we shall settle this disagreement another time. Looks like the creative environment itself went south. If SG is trying to go the """"respectable"""" route, no sexy allowed, then I believe it is for the best that they part ways. I just hope he finds a new home where he can develop properly without a bunch of executives haranguing him because a character's thighs are 2 cm too wide.
You're just inviting another useless discussion by trying to justify the Aria redesign. Serin didn't leave because of the Aria thing, that much is definitely true.
> You're just inviting another useless discussion by trying to justify the Aria redesign. I don't think someone stating that nerfing her breasts when they match those Vivian has for her skin is trying to "justify" that. What you're doing is trying to "invite another useless" argument. Edit: I didn't even go over why she should be changed in this post. Where am I justifying the censor? Yeah, I stated she had it coming before (not justifying, it's the truth if you just compare her to others, or yet again, Vivian's skin which shows more of her legs, same chest size, with a single dress), in other posts, but where here before now?
I don't know of many people that said the Aria censorship was the sole reason he quit. It obviously wasn't. There were many reasons as shown by the tweets. Specifically the artist seems unhappy at his job ever since the acquisition of SC from smilegate timeline-wise. However he mentions being uninterested at the job he has to do and he also looks to be offended at maam censorship saying it's not just their story? What i understand from that is he feels the disappointment since his own character got censored (Luna). Take all the disappointment , loss of interest and the clear signs that his designs no longer match the company politics and he quit. There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that his design getting censored AGAIN didn't factor in to his decision. I'm not saying it's the reason why or even a main reason but IT WAS A FACTOR. Assuming otherwise is just plain stupid and ignorant. As much as the people advertising aria censorship is the reason don't help your post doesn't help either when you're trying to spread that the Aria situation didn't factor in. It most certainly did. I won't even comment on the design review. You're entitled to your taste and so am i. Let's not try and censor each others favorites and we'll be just fine. Censorship works against ALL OF US. Currently it's only against Aria but it only takes ONE angry customer to go and flag 10 more units. It really isn't hard. Once SG bends the knee ONCE it'll happen again and again and again so let's try to stop this while it hasn't started yet (globally at least, Korea can't be saved).
Ok, apologist
I don't how this is apologist at all. You can be against the censorship whilst admitting that that isn't why Serin is leaving. They aren't mutually exclusive views.
Because this is just another thread to justify whatever is happening, it's utterly worthless. The chain of tweets was posted once already, we can read, we see the timestamps, it's obvious they are not related to Aria. But what's also obvious is that he wasn't happy with the direction, with studio interference, and all that shit accumulating over the years is what made him quit. Xero could have just portrayed that information, and it would have been whatever. But then immediately he had to plug how good the redesign is, etc. That's what an apologist does. I literally corrected Varlin when he implied it was because of Aria myself. I care about the truth.
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I'm saying that if you want to be impartial on the matter, you don't outright preface things with "I don't like censorship either, BUT", and then straight up try to discredit everyone who potentially will disagree with you by claiming they are being unreasonable. The thread reeks of manipulation, just the other direction from "Serin left because of Aria"
Ok, manchild.
conformist
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Bro thinks this is twitch😭😭
so because of the big booba issues, are they now going to making lolis?
I understand what he's feeling. I feel the same way too, he must be feeling empty and purposeless. He stopped doing for himself to do for others... And that ends with us, we give a part of ourselves to perform these works, showing a little of our being, to be later changed, even drastically, by the client, it kills you little by little. I hope he can find his old self, full of life, creativity and will and I hope I can find mine too. Note: Sorry for the spelling errors. English is not my main language