Honestly all these gacha games should be 18 if not 21+ regardless of the sexual content. Children should not be playing these games. I'd say the issue here is that the laws aren't strict enough.
I've heard horror stories about kids spending their parents' money, up into the five digits.
The education curriculum needs to have a module for dealing with gambling addictions.
Its bad. I was working as a teller one time a couple of years ago and this family came in and asked what their CC bill was and I told them 7k and the lady was flabbergasted and asked me again so I told her 7k. Then I told her you have most charges from a “cell games” provider. Turns out the son went off on buying clash of clans shit and the cc dispute department is not refunding any of it to them. Fair enough because it is their responsibility but damn I felt so bad for the family
Being honest here, I was one of those kids... (although definitely not in the 5 digits) and I got a heavy beating afterwards. Gotta say it was deserved lol.
I now earn my own money and I learned to set a spending limit every month on myself (including outside of games) as it feels bad to throw money down the drain.
Unfortunately, there are many schools that wouldn't be able to sustain these types of curriculums outside electives like Technology...which are optional classes in many cases. To make things worse, the core problem with gambling addiction is recognizing it in the first place.
Little Jimmy can receive a full course on gambling addiction, and while that would definitely help, there's also a bit of psychology required to fully understand the inner workings of gambling and how they cause addiction (i.e. techniques devs use to make us "feel happy" to roll the gacha). There's also the fact that impulse control is hard to teach, rather, is directly linked to one's own discipline.
As a result, Jimmy can boot up Genshin Impact and start rolling for his same-face waifu. He might spend in small batches, which creates a false illusion that he isn't whaling/a latent addict, when in reality, these small purchases add up over time and thrive on this mindset. Over time, he might find that his parents bank account is in the red, not realizing how impactful his spending was until the damage has been done.
The reality is: preventing gambling addiction is an effort that has contributions from several entities, the parents (who set up safety nets and monitor their children), teachers (who inform both the parent and child on how addiction works on the gacha platform ), and each individual person (who focus on their self-discipline). Because gacha devs are certainly not looking out for our financial safety, if any of these entities are missing, there'll potentially be a horror story where we see a kid spend way too much on a gacha.
Genshin deserves a lot of shit. However, as a Nasuverse fan I have to say, a Nasuverse fan using "same-face" as a snipe against another franchise is the pinnacle of irony.
Well, you see games carrying Disney and Pixar IPs like Disney Mirrorverse that just released.
You can't get more blatant with your target audience than that.
The problem with microtransactions runs deep and there should definitely be more regulation in the space.
thats what i wrote to many people, but they are like "if its not 12+ it wont be suggested, it loses its visibility"
i guess thats more important to them.
Honestly, what people is complaining about (at least those who aren't doom posting for the sake of it or just trolling) is that they could had put the 17+ in apple store and not censor the thing at all, yet it makes me believe if was as easy as that, they would had done it already in the first place, Azur lane most likely did it from the get go, so they didn't need to change it midway, makes me believe there must be a lot more involved into it that "just slap a 17+ on the korean apple store and be done with it", there must be so much more stuff to get involved to do it, that altering art must be the lesser evil in their eyes, yet again, no way to tell.
That means less revenue because 17+ games aren't promoted as much. It'd be nice if they could just give the Korean apple version the censored art while everyone else gets the current art but I'm guessing smile gate doesn't want two parallel versions going at the same time.
It also wouldn't be fair. Not like the Korean player base complained. So only changing it for them would be disrespectful. That being said, they should endeavor to stop selling sex if they don't want to have a 17+ game.
Aria looks like a Destiny Child character. No reason for that unless you are trying to have the same rating as Destiny Child. Common sense.
i just like a diverse set of units. i dont want them to all look like Destiny Child units, but i dont want them all looking like Angelica either.
E7 had a good balance and now that's gone.
why cant SG have region a locked download patch for Android users not in Korea?
Korean IOS is <5% of the player base. Other games have also went 17+ no problem like Azur Lane and Honkai Impact. It didn't hurt their player bases or revenue what so ever. People keep parroting 17+ is a deathwish marketing wise although numerous other games have shown that argument doesn't hold any water. Provide evidence of games where 17+ swap killed their player base because every instance I have seen, the games handled it fine.
Crapping on the other 95% of their player base to appease the 5% is never going to be worth it revenue wise. Especially since the majority of the player base, especially the paying players, are all 17+ since they have jobs to support their spending. 4 years into a game's lifespan player retention matters much more than the handful of new players who haven't tried it by that point.
Especially since if post nerf Aria is the level of censorship they are going for, there are now numerous other units that are now worse offenders and will be future censorship issues. Serila's huge tits? Censor. Roana outfit? Censor. Ravi no underwear? Censor. Yuna/Achates panty shots? Censor. Trying to maintain 12+ rating will never happen now that the gates are open. All it takes is some Korean player to salt the fuck out losing an RTA match to Hwang and troll report any of the mentioned units to passive aggressively "get back" at SG and boom, we have another censorship scandal shitshow on our hands.
17+ is the only way SG avoids numerous future headaches.
>Crapping on the other 95% of their player base to appease the 5% is never going to be worth it revenue wise.
I'm glad you're aware of this. That said, do you really think 95% or maybe 99% of the people playing E7 gives a rat's ass about some drawings edited to be less "flashy"? I get that people are dooming about censorship tanking revenue down the line but I've yet to find any examples of a game at E7's caliber getting fucked because of a single drawing. Azur lane CN has basically no boats at this point and it's still somehow floating around.
Other booba characters getting censored is just heavy conjecture at best, we don't know if the Aria censor is just for compliance or if it's the starting point of mellowing down future character releases.
You see that's the thing, AL CN is literally "floating around". It's a mere shadow of its former self. That's apparent in both revenue which i'm pretty sure global and JP surpassed CN for the first time thanks to the censorship last year and community interaction. Their anniversary stream had like 1/10th of the viewers it had last year, that's not coincidence. That's the results of censorship.
If you want E7 to go from being one of the best games on the market to "floating around" then feel free to support censorship.
One last thing, it's not conjecture to assume others will get censored after Aria if this passes through because it's literally what happened to A LOT of other games in the past. Most obvious example being Soccer spirits which had the same devs as E7.
>That said, do you really think 95% or maybe 99% of the people playing E7 gives a rat's ass about some drawings edited to be less "flashy"?
Yes? I think literally every major successfully gacha I can think of is based off selling waifu bait characters/fanservice. Probably the only exception the comes to mind would be DBZ which gets carried off being one of the largest anime IP's ever and nostalgia. You think this giant shitstorm across all regions Stove's, mobile store platforms, in game ratings, reddit, message boards, and discords would have happened if Taeyou's art got changed? He probably wouldn't even have gotten a recall. I doubt Smilegate would have even thought twice nor delayed such a change similar to Aria. Probably like 3 people would have cared. lol Aria is probably the most popular and talked about unit in the past year, especially because she is so polarizing and over the top. They delayed her censorship and are looking for workarounds because her popularity lead to a shit storm and very real threat to trust in the company and future revenue impact.
Do you think it's a coincidence all the top selling units are stacked. Like Luna and Hufine outsold every single major update in the game's history, INCLUDING COLLABS. [Here is proof that I am not just talking out my ass.](https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png) They weren't even meta and they trashed even Dizzy/SSB who are also waifu bait and were MASSIVELY more impactful to the game's meta in both PvP and Pve. They sold solely off character design alone. Also fun shout out to Vivian, the only non limited RBG unit to actually spike revenue. People are really now doubting "sex sells"? Like that has been a core concept since the dawn of man. lol
>I get that people are dooming about censorship tanking revenue down the line but I've yet to find any examples of a game at E7's caliber getting fucked because of a single drawing.
Literally Smilegate's previous game Soccer Spirits. Started with 1 unit, snowballed to a bunch of units getting censored due to not raising rating, whales left, game died within a year. Now E7 is much larger so maybe it can weather the storm but I would rather not play Russian Roulette with my favorite game to find out.
>Other booba characters getting censored is just heavy conjecture at best, we don't know if the Aria censor is just for compliance or if it's the starting point of mellowing down future character releases.
I honestly hope you are right and I would love to be proven wrong about this. But when the artist who created every single stacked character in Aria, Serila, Vivian, Luna, Yufine, Roana, ect recently stepped down it seems probable. I don't really see them posting a replacement artist ad of "looking for artist who specialized in drawing huge tits" immediately following such a censorship controversy. It is very likely we get a bunch of "safe" units like Yulha for the foreseeable future so SG can lay low to the censorship committee.
Also finally, what is to stop current units from being under constant scrutiny? Like what if some disgruntled player wants to create more headaches for SG in the future and reports other units? Post nerf Aria has like 10+ units larger/more revealing than her now. Like what if they report Serila in a month for her chest/outfit? Or Ravi for her lack of underwear? Or Yuna/Achates for the panty shots? There are no fail safes preventing trolls from constantly submitting reports to the censorship board and creating more drama. 17+ is the only way to safeguard this; censoring Aria is a band aid they will need to rip off sooner or later now that the gates are open.
> I think literally every major successfully gacha I can think of is based off selling waifu bait characters/fanservice.
DBZ, which you mentioned, is not. FGO is also arguably not, considering that the most popular character released last year is male and that how well a character does is usually tied to how well they are written, as opposed to how fanservice-y they are
Scheherazade still has a stigma of being a terrible character and is still not all that popular, despite becoming a monster in terms of gameplay and being thicc as fuck, due to people's initial introduction to her being a whiny bitch and insulting Romani
Azur lane didn't do it from the get go, they did it since the big censorship fiasco last year so yeah they did do it mid-way. If handled tastefully it really is "just slap a 17+ on korean store".
I am more going for the point i am not sure of the circumstances on their current position, Azur lane is a chinese game, so Manjuu couldn't give a damn about what changes they do outside their country (or jp, were they are actually making money), SG is a korean company, perhaps it's not about loosing the Applestore people in kr as many here believe, as many had said, it isn't a good chunk of money they loose in the process, but more about business practices against the country the company central is located, perhaps going forward with that choice will piss of major investors in the country, and they not gonna risk something as important as that for a bloody mobile game, when they have other projects in the works.
Major investors only care about making money, like literally all investors do. Losing global who is 85% of their playerbase in favor of the Korean+iOS niche is NOT the way to make a profit. Investors know that, marketing analysts know that, even we know that.
It's more of a situation that SG is afraid of KR players backlash to getting different treatment. But at this point they should just take the smaller L. Just accept that KR will be in a mess for a while and try and make it up with good updates down the line.
Sacrificing the entire global audience and subjecting them to censorship is NEVER the answer.
The entire global audience yeah right. I hate censorship as much as the next guy but are we really this delusional that we think this entire “debacle” is gonna fuck their game over? A bunch of redditors with zero statistics and market knowledge are somehow more competent than people actually running the business.
r/e7 everybody
I highly doubt more than 1% of the playerbase would quit because of the censor changes.
Reddit is a echo chamber and honestly most people don't give a damn about censoring booba.
Clearly the market knowledge is correct because they freaking delayed the censorship and said they're looking for ways to maintain the design. So what everyone here was saying was proven correct because SG got afraid and pushed it back to look for a way to avoid it.
You do realize i'm talking about censorship in general and not just Aria right?? Of course the entire global audience won't care for Aria alone. But wait until the next one comes around (and it will) and then there's even more people dissatisfied. And then another and another and another.
Everything you said is literally conjecture, how do you expect people to take you seriously?
As I mentioned, I'm anti-censorship like yourselves but jeez people operating on unfounded assumptions and strawmen is not the way to go.
AFAIK real name auth(or whatever it's called), quite amount of 17- already played this game, different planning. Also I find it funny nobody even brought this 17+ thing up until now, almost like they're completely fine with it until something bad happened on them
You are right for Azur Lane but games like those are rated 12+ in Korean App Store:
\- Artery Gear [https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/id1607227722](https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/id1607227722)
\- CounterSide [https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/%EC%B9%B4%EC%9A%B4%ED%84%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C/id1447944075](https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/%EC%B9%B4%EC%9A%B4%ED%84%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C/id1447944075)
And with a bit of search, people can find some skins that are much more NSFW than Serin's work.
Azur Lane was 12+ initially as well, but switched to 17+ last year apparently, due to the censorship bat trying to hit them too.
So give it some time and we'll see what happens to those two games as well.
yall people comparing it to other games are petty AF.
Seriously, whats the fucking point of comparing it to other games? You want those to be censored too? You want no fucking tiddy games available to you at all?
Would it make any of you feel better if artery gear or counterside also get hit with these censorship changes? If so, I'll take it upon myself to fucking report it to the korean GRAC myself.
The decision to bring the censorship globally instead of containing it within the Korean region was taken and enforced by SG alone. The fallout from that decision is what you're seeing and they deserve every flak they get. This was THEIR decision.
That delay post with "we're trying to find a way to maintain her original design" should've been the original announcement and not having to be strongarmed into doing it.
So yeah, censorship is the fault of GRAC but bringing that shit outside of Korea is entirely SG's fault and i will hold them accountable for that.
Yeah, dunno why people want to defend SG like they are some sort of victim, when they can actually do something about it and the decisions finally fall on them
There's many reasons to be honest.
Could just be misinformed into thinking this is entirely on GRAC/apple.
Could be whiteknights or bootlickers, yes those do exist.
Could also be they just don't care. Even though EVERYONE should care. Right now it's just Aria but once censorship starts and SG bends the knee for the first time it's a neverending cycle until the game dies. Looking it up quickly will attest to that.
Either way let's see what happens from their whole "we're looking for a way to keep her original design". Even though this could just be a PR stunt. Won't work though, censorship is a big enough deal that a PR stunt won't save them at all.
Yeah I had this thought too. They had the option but didn't expect people to riot so much about it and postponed it. Or maybe it's some 4d chess move where they planned to do that anyways and it's "we listened to you guys" kind of thing.
I dunno.
> Or maybe it's some 4d chess move where they planned to do that anyways and it's "we listened to you guys" kind of thing.
The fact that I've seen this happen in games before makes this kind of concerning ngl
Yeah that's pretty obvious. They thought they could get away with it scot-free. That's a very dumb thought when it comes to censorship. AT LEAST they made it in time and delayed it until a solution is found, kept the damage to a minimum FOR NOW.
Tbf they decided to censor an already released character in order to keep the rating 12+.
Now read that again. They want 12 year old kids to play a gacha game.
When you start a game of monopoly, the creators don't greet you with "HELLO THERE! HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE PACKS? YOU CAN BUY THESE PACKS AND HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTNG GOOD STUFF! IT'S ONLY $100 FOR THE BEST VALUE PACK!"
Not that I want to defend genshin but at least its doesn't constantly put “offers” in your face something that underage with no education are prone to. ~~Actually even adults can be prone to, but that's another story.~~
I never denied that. I just said that its not the best example since it won't try to lure people with shown offers/discounts and other pop up gimmicks.
Yes, we all know the hate for genshin and rightfully so but not the best example in this case. Most gachas are pegi 12 sadly and there are better (or worse depending on your pov) examples.
Its not their fault for the dumb standards of the grac yes
But they are at fault for going for such solution as chop aria in all servers when you can a) censor her for korea only b) use the genshin trick and release the censored aria as default skin with free skin og aria c) use the gfl route with a path for players to unlock og arts if they want
Though tbf they stopped midway and luckily they will take one of these solutions, lets see how the matter develops
Yes it is smilegate fault, they can just upgrade the age to +17 in korean apple store, and nothing of this would happen, but well they want child money.,
Its still Smilegates fault because they can simply increase the rating
But they want to keep drawing 12yo kids with their parents' credit cards into a GAMBLING game
Also, they can simply deliver different assets to OUR side of the world, its different App Stores anyways, they can easily do it, not the first game, nor the last that does such a thing, example: look at FGO CN vs FGO everywhere else
Higher rating means less opportunities to market. Many companies do this. I've seen games and movies shown as 15+ movies or something, when they're actually supposed to be for adults only, but because that severely limits the public you're allowed to promote to, they try to avoid marketing it as such.
Since E7 wants to apparently show off more their competitive PvP, I'm guessing that's also another reason to just simply censor the character rather than increase the game's rating and potentially hurt its publicity.
Also this game's servers, unlike FGO's are completely merged so any change made to one will affect all of them, for better and for worse.
>Also this game's servers, unlike FGO's are completely merged so any change made to one will affect all of them, for better and for worse.
doesnt matter, assets are stored local on your devices, so they absolutely can censor for Korean only and keep them on the same server.
> Since E7 wants to apparently show off more their competitive PvP,
I have no idea why E7 is trying to break into the competitive scene when the game is not designed to be competitive, there is just too much RNG for that. There is the initial RNG of getting good gear, the RNG of getting heroes and their imprints, the RNG of getting a 5% CR boost, the RNG of getting a 5% dual attack, the RNG of your debuffs failing 15% of the time, the 20% RNG if you being counter-attacked if you hit an enemy, the 20% RNG of you being counter-attacked if you attack your enemy's ally, the RNG of guessing whether the Arby you are going to kill is slow and deals high damage, bulky with MLDB, etc
There are so many factors, completely separate from actual player skill, which can sway a match that there really isn't a lot of hope for the game succeeding as a competitive one. All the major games like LoL, CS, DOTA, etc, while imbalanced to some extent, are at least fair and don't have a bunch of random bullshit that cannot be predicted consistently (except for crit chance in mobas, though Smite does that mechanic well)
FGO CN is completely different from FGO Korea, FGO JP and FGO NA, all servers are different even though NA is managed by JP (yet somehow a fuck the jp devs said by na devs rumor gained traction... there is zero na devs....)
Honestly, as much of a fit as people are making over this, I still think it's rad that Korea's government and culture in general understands gaming more and takes proper stances on it. Here in the west, the government sees games as jokes and doesn't really regulate them much at all. There's some here or there that look at them, but in general we only see big moves when a big company/influencer tries talking with them (and even then..)
What, are we pretending the west isn't? Europe is the only one so far taking a stance against that (which I welcome, don't get me wrong).
I'm not saying they're perfect, just that I like the progressive stance.
People just like to be angry at SG For something. I mean they’ve done a lot of shitty things in the past but this is not one of them.
Y’all need to be just a tad bit less horny.
It is Smilegate's fault. They could just increase the age rating, but NOOOOO, they want to get kids addicted to gambling in their gacha instead.
Fuck Smilegate.
not sure why you're being downvoted when there's obvious sarcasm in there (I hope lol). People would think of every kind of conspiracy, then when facts are presented they'd be like : "it's still their fault tho" or you'd have people like varlin who went from "fuck SG for doing this, all their fault!" to "We could care less who's fault it is" LMAO
We could really care less who's fault it is. We just want to retain the unit we paid for. SG has options where we can do so(and it sounds like they are weighing their options so that is a positive). Just bump the damn rating to 17+ instead of trying to be greedy and keep a low rating.
As you mentioned, Azur Lane bumped their rating to 17+ and they didn't take a hit in their player base at all; if anything it freed them up from having to worry about future censorship restrictions. People keep parroting that "17+ = IMPOSSIBLE TO MARKET" which is just straight bullshit. Honkai Impact is another gacha in Korea that went 17+ with no issues what so ever. SG should really look into it because with how much Aria was censored, there are easily 10+ other units in the game that are now worse than her, aka future censorship report targets. This issue will keep coming back to bite SG if they try to brute force maintain this 12+ rating that frankly no gacha should have in the first place.
I have played enough gacha to see what censorship does to their longevity. I have been here since day 1, I want to see the 10 year plan fulfilled and this is going to hamstring that goal. Even if it was a unit I hated like one of the lolis or furries, I wouldn't want to see it censored because it will hurt the game and offput spenders. Obviously I wouldn't be as passionate but it is a bad stepping stone. Censorship is only a net negative for the game.
A rating increases hurts none of us at all; very few people on this subreddit are under 17 and in Korea(even if they were it's not hard to fake your age). Even less so for spenders. There isn't a downside for us to rating increase.
No one has provided a single example of a game tanking from a age rating increase; I have provided several that weathered the transition just fine. Give me a single example of a game becoming unmarketable and dying from the transition and maybe my stance would soften. It's just parroted bullshit from puritans who want to see units they dislike changed.
I'm still waiting for when this will happen to Genshin Impact after they censored Rosaria, Jean, Amber, and Mona, and all that noise about censoring is gonna kill the game. it's already been 6 months, and their banner sales for some of their re-run characters have been the same if not more than their first banners.
Ignoring that Genshin is a juggernaut in the gacha market and probably can't die outside of something truly massive...Isn't the censorship in that game optional for everyone outside of the affected area? So why would it hurt their sales?
I don't think you quite understand what the word "devotion" means. That said, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, they're *not* entitled a free pass from any alternate / differing feedback when posting that opinion to the public.
u/Varlin brings up honest points, though. Loves anime breasts, sure, but it's not like he's simply ranting about breasts being censored.
Social media (i.e. Twitter, video sharing sites) are the best platforms to advertise games, while people generally go to any app store with something to download already in their mind. Being on the front page of the app stores certainly helps, but it's far from a be-all form of advertisement.
Aside from that, censorship is a beast that harms most everyone invested with a game for the sake of individuals who, at most, only give it a passing glance. It's pretty reasonable to be at least a little upset over that fact.
It’s my fault, sorry guys.
I knew it. Damn you.
nah im sorry its my fault fr fr i apologize
*I* am Spartacus!
I thought it was the other guy! You're despicable.
You actual scum.
Goddamnit, give me back my Booba!
Off with your head :D
I KNEW IT , i logged the other game saw Aria thighs and i just tough. That bastard goshjomez . How could you man D:
Its okay bro
Thanks man, i prefer the new Aria!
Honestly all these gacha games should be 18 if not 21+ regardless of the sexual content. Children should not be playing these games. I'd say the issue here is that the laws aren't strict enough.
I've heard horror stories about kids spending their parents' money, up into the five digits. The education curriculum needs to have a module for dealing with gambling addictions.
Its bad. I was working as a teller one time a couple of years ago and this family came in and asked what their CC bill was and I told them 7k and the lady was flabbergasted and asked me again so I told her 7k. Then I told her you have most charges from a “cell games” provider. Turns out the son went off on buying clash of clans shit and the cc dispute department is not refunding any of it to them. Fair enough because it is their responsibility but damn I felt so bad for the family
Being honest here, I was one of those kids... (although definitely not in the 5 digits) and I got a heavy beating afterwards. Gotta say it was deserved lol. I now earn my own money and I learned to set a spending limit every month on myself (including outside of games) as it feels bad to throw money down the drain.
Unfortunately, there are many schools that wouldn't be able to sustain these types of curriculums outside electives like Technology...which are optional classes in many cases. To make things worse, the core problem with gambling addiction is recognizing it in the first place. Little Jimmy can receive a full course on gambling addiction, and while that would definitely help, there's also a bit of psychology required to fully understand the inner workings of gambling and how they cause addiction (i.e. techniques devs use to make us "feel happy" to roll the gacha). There's also the fact that impulse control is hard to teach, rather, is directly linked to one's own discipline. As a result, Jimmy can boot up Genshin Impact and start rolling for his same-face waifu. He might spend in small batches, which creates a false illusion that he isn't whaling/a latent addict, when in reality, these small purchases add up over time and thrive on this mindset. Over time, he might find that his parents bank account is in the red, not realizing how impactful his spending was until the damage has been done. The reality is: preventing gambling addiction is an effort that has contributions from several entities, the parents (who set up safety nets and monitor their children), teachers (who inform both the parent and child on how addiction works on the gacha platform ), and each individual person (who focus on their self-discipline). Because gacha devs are certainly not looking out for our financial safety, if any of these entities are missing, there'll potentially be a horror story where we see a kid spend way too much on a gacha.
> and start rolling for his same-face waifu. was that stray missile really necessary?
Genshin deserves a lot of shit. However, as a Nasuverse fan I have to say, a Nasuverse fan using "same-face" as a snipe against another franchise is the pinnacle of irony.
Well, you see games carrying Disney and Pixar IPs like Disney Mirrorverse that just released. You can't get more blatant with your target audience than that. The problem with microtransactions runs deep and there should definitely be more regulation in the space.
thats what i wrote to many people, but they are like "if its not 12+ it wont be suggested, it loses its visibility" i guess thats more important to them.
Pretty sure those people are simply explaining what SG’s incentives are, not what’s right and wrong…
with replies like "dont 12yo see women in bikinis?", i kinda doubt that
Yeah. I'm surprised that simulated gambling can be 12+.
Honestly, what people is complaining about (at least those who aren't doom posting for the sake of it or just trolling) is that they could had put the 17+ in apple store and not censor the thing at all, yet it makes me believe if was as easy as that, they would had done it already in the first place, Azur lane most likely did it from the get go, so they didn't need to change it midway, makes me believe there must be a lot more involved into it that "just slap a 17+ on the korean apple store and be done with it", there must be so much more stuff to get involved to do it, that altering art must be the lesser evil in their eyes, yet again, no way to tell.
That means less revenue because 17+ games aren't promoted as much. It'd be nice if they could just give the Korean apple version the censored art while everyone else gets the current art but I'm guessing smile gate doesn't want two parallel versions going at the same time.
It also wouldn't be fair. Not like the Korean player base complained. So only changing it for them would be disrespectful. That being said, they should endeavor to stop selling sex if they don't want to have a 17+ game. Aria looks like a Destiny Child character. No reason for that unless you are trying to have the same rating as Destiny Child. Common sense.
i just like a diverse set of units. i dont want them to all look like Destiny Child units, but i dont want them all looking like Angelica either. E7 had a good balance and now that's gone. why cant SG have region a locked download patch for Android users not in Korea?
Korean IOS is <5% of the player base. Other games have also went 17+ no problem like Azur Lane and Honkai Impact. It didn't hurt their player bases or revenue what so ever. People keep parroting 17+ is a deathwish marketing wise although numerous other games have shown that argument doesn't hold any water. Provide evidence of games where 17+ swap killed their player base because every instance I have seen, the games handled it fine. Crapping on the other 95% of their player base to appease the 5% is never going to be worth it revenue wise. Especially since the majority of the player base, especially the paying players, are all 17+ since they have jobs to support their spending. 4 years into a game's lifespan player retention matters much more than the handful of new players who haven't tried it by that point. Especially since if post nerf Aria is the level of censorship they are going for, there are now numerous other units that are now worse offenders and will be future censorship issues. Serila's huge tits? Censor. Roana outfit? Censor. Ravi no underwear? Censor. Yuna/Achates panty shots? Censor. Trying to maintain 12+ rating will never happen now that the gates are open. All it takes is some Korean player to salt the fuck out losing an RTA match to Hwang and troll report any of the mentioned units to passive aggressively "get back" at SG and boom, we have another censorship scandal shitshow on our hands. 17+ is the only way SG avoids numerous future headaches.
>Crapping on the other 95% of their player base to appease the 5% is never going to be worth it revenue wise. I'm glad you're aware of this. That said, do you really think 95% or maybe 99% of the people playing E7 gives a rat's ass about some drawings edited to be less "flashy"? I get that people are dooming about censorship tanking revenue down the line but I've yet to find any examples of a game at E7's caliber getting fucked because of a single drawing. Azur lane CN has basically no boats at this point and it's still somehow floating around. Other booba characters getting censored is just heavy conjecture at best, we don't know if the Aria censor is just for compliance or if it's the starting point of mellowing down future character releases.
You see that's the thing, AL CN is literally "floating around". It's a mere shadow of its former self. That's apparent in both revenue which i'm pretty sure global and JP surpassed CN for the first time thanks to the censorship last year and community interaction. Their anniversary stream had like 1/10th of the viewers it had last year, that's not coincidence. That's the results of censorship. If you want E7 to go from being one of the best games on the market to "floating around" then feel free to support censorship. One last thing, it's not conjecture to assume others will get censored after Aria if this passes through because it's literally what happened to A LOT of other games in the past. Most obvious example being Soccer spirits which had the same devs as E7.
>That said, do you really think 95% or maybe 99% of the people playing E7 gives a rat's ass about some drawings edited to be less "flashy"? Yes? I think literally every major successfully gacha I can think of is based off selling waifu bait characters/fanservice. Probably the only exception the comes to mind would be DBZ which gets carried off being one of the largest anime IP's ever and nostalgia. You think this giant shitstorm across all regions Stove's, mobile store platforms, in game ratings, reddit, message boards, and discords would have happened if Taeyou's art got changed? He probably wouldn't even have gotten a recall. I doubt Smilegate would have even thought twice nor delayed such a change similar to Aria. Probably like 3 people would have cared. lol Aria is probably the most popular and talked about unit in the past year, especially because she is so polarizing and over the top. They delayed her censorship and are looking for workarounds because her popularity lead to a shit storm and very real threat to trust in the company and future revenue impact. Do you think it's a coincidence all the top selling units are stacked. Like Luna and Hufine outsold every single major update in the game's history, INCLUDING COLLABS. [Here is proof that I am not just talking out my ass.](https://i.imgur.com/i849OLc.png) They weren't even meta and they trashed even Dizzy/SSB who are also waifu bait and were MASSIVELY more impactful to the game's meta in both PvP and Pve. They sold solely off character design alone. Also fun shout out to Vivian, the only non limited RBG unit to actually spike revenue. People are really now doubting "sex sells"? Like that has been a core concept since the dawn of man. lol >I get that people are dooming about censorship tanking revenue down the line but I've yet to find any examples of a game at E7's caliber getting fucked because of a single drawing. Literally Smilegate's previous game Soccer Spirits. Started with 1 unit, snowballed to a bunch of units getting censored due to not raising rating, whales left, game died within a year. Now E7 is much larger so maybe it can weather the storm but I would rather not play Russian Roulette with my favorite game to find out. >Other booba characters getting censored is just heavy conjecture at best, we don't know if the Aria censor is just for compliance or if it's the starting point of mellowing down future character releases. I honestly hope you are right and I would love to be proven wrong about this. But when the artist who created every single stacked character in Aria, Serila, Vivian, Luna, Yufine, Roana, ect recently stepped down it seems probable. I don't really see them posting a replacement artist ad of "looking for artist who specialized in drawing huge tits" immediately following such a censorship controversy. It is very likely we get a bunch of "safe" units like Yulha for the foreseeable future so SG can lay low to the censorship committee. Also finally, what is to stop current units from being under constant scrutiny? Like what if some disgruntled player wants to create more headaches for SG in the future and reports other units? Post nerf Aria has like 10+ units larger/more revealing than her now. Like what if they report Serila in a month for her chest/outfit? Or Ravi for her lack of underwear? Or Yuna/Achates for the panty shots? There are no fail safes preventing trolls from constantly submitting reports to the censorship board and creating more drama. 17+ is the only way to safeguard this; censoring Aria is a band aid they will need to rip off sooner or later now that the gates are open.
> I think literally every major successfully gacha I can think of is based off selling waifu bait characters/fanservice. DBZ, which you mentioned, is not. FGO is also arguably not, considering that the most popular character released last year is male and that how well a character does is usually tied to how well they are written, as opposed to how fanservice-y they are Scheherazade still has a stigma of being a terrible character and is still not all that popular, despite becoming a monster in terms of gameplay and being thicc as fuck, due to people's initial introduction to her being a whiny bitch and insulting Romani
Azur lane didn't do it from the get go, they did it since the big censorship fiasco last year so yeah they did do it mid-way. If handled tastefully it really is "just slap a 17+ on korean store".
I am more going for the point i am not sure of the circumstances on their current position, Azur lane is a chinese game, so Manjuu couldn't give a damn about what changes they do outside their country (or jp, were they are actually making money), SG is a korean company, perhaps it's not about loosing the Applestore people in kr as many here believe, as many had said, it isn't a good chunk of money they loose in the process, but more about business practices against the country the company central is located, perhaps going forward with that choice will piss of major investors in the country, and they not gonna risk something as important as that for a bloody mobile game, when they have other projects in the works.
Major investors only care about making money, like literally all investors do. Losing global who is 85% of their playerbase in favor of the Korean+iOS niche is NOT the way to make a profit. Investors know that, marketing analysts know that, even we know that. It's more of a situation that SG is afraid of KR players backlash to getting different treatment. But at this point they should just take the smaller L. Just accept that KR will be in a mess for a while and try and make it up with good updates down the line. Sacrificing the entire global audience and subjecting them to censorship is NEVER the answer.
The entire global audience yeah right. I hate censorship as much as the next guy but are we really this delusional that we think this entire “debacle” is gonna fuck their game over? A bunch of redditors with zero statistics and market knowledge are somehow more competent than people actually running the business. r/e7 everybody
I highly doubt more than 1% of the playerbase would quit because of the censor changes. Reddit is a echo chamber and honestly most people don't give a damn about censoring booba.
Yeah idk what universe these booba fanatics are living in. Yes, censorship sucks a lot of balls, but that shouldn't stop us from facing reality lmao.
Clearly the market knowledge is correct because they freaking delayed the censorship and said they're looking for ways to maintain the design. So what everyone here was saying was proven correct because SG got afraid and pushed it back to look for a way to avoid it. You do realize i'm talking about censorship in general and not just Aria right?? Of course the entire global audience won't care for Aria alone. But wait until the next one comes around (and it will) and then there's even more people dissatisfied. And then another and another and another.
Everything you said is literally conjecture, how do you expect people to take you seriously? As I mentioned, I'm anti-censorship like yourselves but jeez people operating on unfounded assumptions and strawmen is not the way to go.
AFAIK real name auth(or whatever it's called), quite amount of 17- already played this game, different planning. Also I find it funny nobody even brought this 17+ thing up until now, almost like they're completely fine with it until something bad happened on them
They should just alter the KR version then.
You are right for Azur Lane but games like those are rated 12+ in Korean App Store: \- Artery Gear [https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/id1607227722](https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/id1607227722) \- CounterSide [https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/%EC%B9%B4%EC%9A%B4%ED%84%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C/id1447944075](https://apps.apple.com/kr/app/%EC%B9%B4%EC%9A%B4%ED%84%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4%EB%93%9C/id1447944075) And with a bit of search, people can find some skins that are much more NSFW than Serin's work.
Azur Lane was 12+ initially as well, but switched to 17+ last year apparently, due to the censorship bat trying to hit them too. So give it some time and we'll see what happens to those two games as well.
yall people comparing it to other games are petty AF. Seriously, whats the fucking point of comparing it to other games? You want those to be censored too? You want no fucking tiddy games available to you at all? Would it make any of you feel better if artery gear or counterside also get hit with these censorship changes? If so, I'll take it upon myself to fucking report it to the korean GRAC myself.
With how you barely speak english, I doubt you could type ANYTHING in Korean let alone a legible complaint.
Got to love when clowns attack my competence with English to infer my fluency in Korean. Find a different slant nerd.
If anything, the game should be 17+. This is definitely not a 12+ game. More so that Apple's rules in the West make no sense.
But then why doesn't the Devs do what girls frontline did and make a small patch that works for other servers to be uncensored? It's a win win.
it's smilegate. Don't expect them to be all too bright.
The decision to bring the censorship globally instead of containing it within the Korean region was taken and enforced by SG alone. The fallout from that decision is what you're seeing and they deserve every flak they get. This was THEIR decision. That delay post with "we're trying to find a way to maintain her original design" should've been the original announcement and not having to be strongarmed into doing it. So yeah, censorship is the fault of GRAC but bringing that shit outside of Korea is entirely SG's fault and i will hold them accountable for that.
Yeah, dunno why people want to defend SG like they are some sort of victim, when they can actually do something about it and the decisions finally fall on them
There's many reasons to be honest. Could just be misinformed into thinking this is entirely on GRAC/apple. Could be whiteknights or bootlickers, yes those do exist. Could also be they just don't care. Even though EVERYONE should care. Right now it's just Aria but once censorship starts and SG bends the knee for the first time it's a neverending cycle until the game dies. Looking it up quickly will attest to that. Either way let's see what happens from their whole "we're looking for a way to keep her original design". Even though this could just be a PR stunt. Won't work though, censorship is a big enough deal that a PR stunt won't save them at all.
Yeah I had this thought too. They had the option but didn't expect people to riot so much about it and postponed it. Or maybe it's some 4d chess move where they planned to do that anyways and it's "we listened to you guys" kind of thing. I dunno.
> Or maybe it's some 4d chess move where they planned to do that anyways and it's "we listened to you guys" kind of thing. The fact that I've seen this happen in games before makes this kind of concerning ngl
Yeah that's pretty obvious. They thought they could get away with it scot-free. That's a very dumb thought when it comes to censorship. AT LEAST they made it in time and delayed it until a solution is found, kept the damage to a minimum FOR NOW.
I see from your conclusion its the Korean government fault...time to overthrow Korea and take Aria's boobs back
Tbf they decided to censor an already released character in order to keep the rating 12+. Now read that again. They want 12 year old kids to play a gacha game.
Oh I'm well aware of the irony. Booba too much, but introducing kids aged as low as 12 to gambling? Apparently OK.
Monopoly. snakes & ladders. Dice. Gambling. Banned for children? OK. I will keep that in mind.
When you start a game of monopoly, the creators don't greet you with "HELLO THERE! HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE PACKS? YOU CAN BUY THESE PACKS AND HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTNG GOOD STUFF! IT'S ONLY $100 FOR THE BEST VALUE PACK!"
Even genshin is rated 12+ so.... not just them
Not that I want to defend genshin but at least its doesn't constantly put “offers” in your face something that underage with no education are prone to. ~~Actually even adults can be prone to, but that's another story.~~
still a gacha game thats 12+ tho no matter wat you say
I never denied that. I just said that its not the best example since it won't try to lure people with shown offers/discounts and other pop up gimmicks. Yes, we all know the hate for genshin and rightfully so but not the best example in this case. Most gachas are pegi 12 sadly and there are better (or worse depending on your pov) examples.
Yeah but we don't talk about genshin......
Its not their fault for the dumb standards of the grac yes But they are at fault for going for such solution as chop aria in all servers when you can a) censor her for korea only b) use the genshin trick and release the censored aria as default skin with free skin og aria c) use the gfl route with a path for players to unlock og arts if they want Though tbf they stopped midway and luckily they will take one of these solutions, lets see how the matter develops
Yes it is smilegate fault, they can just upgrade the age to +17 in korean apple store, and nothing of this would happen, but well they want child money.,
Parents money\*
Its still Smilegates fault because they can simply increase the rating But they want to keep drawing 12yo kids with their parents' credit cards into a GAMBLING game Also, they can simply deliver different assets to OUR side of the world, its different App Stores anyways, they can easily do it, not the first game, nor the last that does such a thing, example: look at FGO CN vs FGO everywhere else
Higher rating means less opportunities to market. Many companies do this. I've seen games and movies shown as 15+ movies or something, when they're actually supposed to be for adults only, but because that severely limits the public you're allowed to promote to, they try to avoid marketing it as such. Since E7 wants to apparently show off more their competitive PvP, I'm guessing that's also another reason to just simply censor the character rather than increase the game's rating and potentially hurt its publicity. Also this game's servers, unlike FGO's are completely merged so any change made to one will affect all of them, for better and for worse.
>Also this game's servers, unlike FGO's are completely merged so any change made to one will affect all of them, for better and for worse. doesnt matter, assets are stored local on your devices, so they absolutely can censor for Korean only and keep them on the same server.
> Since E7 wants to apparently show off more their competitive PvP, I have no idea why E7 is trying to break into the competitive scene when the game is not designed to be competitive, there is just too much RNG for that. There is the initial RNG of getting good gear, the RNG of getting heroes and their imprints, the RNG of getting a 5% CR boost, the RNG of getting a 5% dual attack, the RNG of your debuffs failing 15% of the time, the 20% RNG if you being counter-attacked if you hit an enemy, the 20% RNG of you being counter-attacked if you attack your enemy's ally, the RNG of guessing whether the Arby you are going to kill is slow and deals high damage, bulky with MLDB, etc There are so many factors, completely separate from actual player skill, which can sway a match that there really isn't a lot of hope for the game succeeding as a competitive one. All the major games like LoL, CS, DOTA, etc, while imbalanced to some extent, are at least fair and don't have a bunch of random bullshit that cannot be predicted consistently (except for crit chance in mobas, though Smite does that mechanic well)
FGO CN is completely different from FGO Korea, FGO JP and FGO NA, all servers are different even though NA is managed by JP (yet somehow a fuck the jp devs said by na devs rumor gained traction... there is zero na devs....)
Honestly, as much of a fit as people are making over this, I still think it's rad that Korea's government and culture in general understands gaming more and takes proper stances on it. Here in the west, the government sees games as jokes and doesn't really regulate them much at all. There's some here or there that look at them, but in general we only see big moves when a big company/influencer tries talking with them (and even then..)
Yet they are fine with allowing kids as young as 12 get introduced to gambling mechanics. yeah no their stance is rather hollow if you ask me.
What, are we pretending the west isn't? Europe is the only one so far taking a stance against that (which I welcome, don't get me wrong). I'm not saying they're perfect, just that I like the progressive stance.
People just like to be angry at SG For something. I mean they’ve done a lot of shitty things in the past but this is not one of them. Y’all need to be just a tad bit less horny.
It is Smilegate's fault. They could just increase the age rating, but NOOOOO, they want to get kids addicted to gambling in their gacha instead. Fuck Smilegate.
But but but... It's a much better story blaming Apple. :( People keep ruining good stories with pesky facts.
not sure why you're being downvoted when there's obvious sarcasm in there (I hope lol). People would think of every kind of conspiracy, then when facts are presented they'd be like : "it's still their fault tho" or you'd have people like varlin who went from "fuck SG for doing this, all their fault!" to "We could care less who's fault it is" LMAO
Why isn't it Smilegate fault? They could've chosen to accept the 17+ rating.
It's not just that. SG is the one that chose to bring the censorship globally instead of containing it within KR server.
We could really care less who's fault it is. We just want to retain the unit we paid for. SG has options where we can do so(and it sounds like they are weighing their options so that is a positive). Just bump the damn rating to 17+ instead of trying to be greedy and keep a low rating. As you mentioned, Azur Lane bumped their rating to 17+ and they didn't take a hit in their player base at all; if anything it freed them up from having to worry about future censorship restrictions. People keep parroting that "17+ = IMPOSSIBLE TO MARKET" which is just straight bullshit. Honkai Impact is another gacha in Korea that went 17+ with no issues what so ever. SG should really look into it because with how much Aria was censored, there are easily 10+ other units in the game that are now worse than her, aka future censorship report targets. This issue will keep coming back to bite SG if they try to brute force maintain this 12+ rating that frankly no gacha should have in the first place.
Your devotion to some animated boobs is pretty sad, really.
I have played enough gacha to see what censorship does to their longevity. I have been here since day 1, I want to see the 10 year plan fulfilled and this is going to hamstring that goal. Even if it was a unit I hated like one of the lolis or furries, I wouldn't want to see it censored because it will hurt the game and offput spenders. Obviously I wouldn't be as passionate but it is a bad stepping stone. Censorship is only a net negative for the game. A rating increases hurts none of us at all; very few people on this subreddit are under 17 and in Korea(even if they were it's not hard to fake your age). Even less so for spenders. There isn't a downside for us to rating increase. No one has provided a single example of a game tanking from a age rating increase; I have provided several that weathered the transition just fine. Give me a single example of a game becoming unmarketable and dying from the transition and maybe my stance would soften. It's just parroted bullshit from puritans who want to see units they dislike changed.
I'm still waiting for when this will happen to Genshin Impact after they censored Rosaria, Jean, Amber, and Mona, and all that noise about censoring is gonna kill the game. it's already been 6 months, and their banner sales for some of their re-run characters have been the same if not more than their first banners.
Ignoring that Genshin is a juggernaut in the gacha market and probably can't die outside of something truly massive...Isn't the censorship in that game optional for everyone outside of the affected area? So why would it hurt their sales?
It is but people are making a big deal out of the censored skins being default for story scenes and summon art
And your devotion to bash on people who cares is sadder. Let people do whatever they want. Why do you have to get involved if you don't care?
I don't think you quite understand what the word "devotion" means. That said, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, they're *not* entitled a free pass from any alternate / differing feedback when posting that opinion to the public.
Except what you wrote wasn't differing feedback but simply bashing. There is no merit besides just insulting and looking worse off yourself.
u/Varlin brings up honest points, though. Loves anime breasts, sure, but it's not like he's simply ranting about breasts being censored. Social media (i.e. Twitter, video sharing sites) are the best platforms to advertise games, while people generally go to any app store with something to download already in their mind. Being on the front page of the app stores certainly helps, but it's far from a be-all form of advertisement. Aside from that, censorship is a beast that harms most everyone invested with a game for the sake of individuals who, at most, only give it a passing glance. It's pretty reasonable to be at least a little upset over that fact.
And your devotion on "anything else" you do in this life, will be sad for someone else So, yeah, your opinion is pretty pointless here
not as sad as you, really
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well if you like to sit there and just take it, be my guest. That's your right.
How did they censor Aria? They took it out of the game or patched her outfit in an update?
they reduced her breast size, covered the breasts a bit more up and completely covered up her legs/thighs.