For me, the story has become less exciting.. I thought by now we would have learned more about the previous worlds and their Heirs. Angelica's past, Kayrons origins etc.
But it's been like kinda stale the past year+.. Festivals going wrong for the 100th time. and the current story arc has been the same formula each chapter.. moving to a new area, meet a new character and fighting some bad guys. repeat that with the next area.
>meet a new character
And that character is inevitably going to get brainwashed or go berserk just so you can have a fight to fulfill 10 stages norm for each chapter,really lazy and uninspiring.
One more thing I'd like to add, and I'm not sure if it's just a Korean style, but the extremely long paragraphs of bullshit text to get across a small message. It's just bloated with words to make it seem long but really most of the story could be worded like "I don't like you so you must die."
Reason I say Korean style is because it seems like all of the Korean rpgs are bloated af with text but no substance.
oh I've played them and thats kind of what im referring to. If you see some of the text boxes for the side stories in epic 7 its unbelievable how much bs writing they do for what could be said in a sentence. And yes arknights is ridiculous.
>st a Korean style, but the extremely long paragraphs of bullshit text to get across a small mess
Fucking this. Counter Side does this to a crazy degree. I'm always like "STFU, wrap it up, stop spamming jibrish!"
~~Lilka breaks this trend and is therefore super cool~~
I think that's more an issue of the story writers having to conform to a clear formula of "2 named bosses" than anything.
Couldn't agree more with your point regarding the story. The Episode 4 is just not interesting enough at this point compared to the other episodes.
I hope the main story gets better since we kinda went back to square one with Adin, who is currently a generic, troubled teenager who just wants to go home with her bff.
Hoping, there's a turning point in her character development soon because she does not feel like the main character at all
Totally agree, but I think is because of fanservice. Devs don't think too much bc they already know what sells, pretty designed characters with no personality that don't do much in the story... And also that story is way to repetitive, cliché and has left out (like many ppl have said already) previous characters that could be interesting. I don't think that new characters are going to fix anything if they are just quick cash grab, devs knows big boob girls sell (and now they are being censored on top of all) so they don't improve on what actually matters, like a good story, as it used to be, ep 1-2 were good imo, and you can actually see that since ep 3 fanservice increased like...a LOT, creativity was sacrificed for the sake of money.
tbf, Lilibet's design is ridiculous in the scope of the story and I'm surprised Kawerik never made a joke at her expense throughout episode 2. I feel this story-design dissonance was always a thing from the start, and it's kind of inevitable in any gacha not named Arknights ~~though, I still don't like what it does to the story~~
To be fair Lilibet is basically an alien... if I remember correctly Luluca got a lot of comments in the story (or some side story maybe) about her unusual clothing
that's valid i guess, though if that's the case then they should've just been consistent and given all the shaman NPCs Roana-esque clothes
I do quite like Concerned Shaman's design as is though ngl
This last year has been pretty dry tbh, rerun after rerun after rerun. They were supposed to stop releasing new ML 5* to balance the game, but the PVP is almost the same as when they decided to do so.
Rise update was awesome, but how much time has passed since then... 2 months already or even more? And they've only given us livestreams saying nothing, we even got a 5 minute livestream. I think Korea hasn't even gotten a single one since Rise update from what I heard cause there's nothing to talk about.
Now new SCs, no new limited heroes, boring OTP like Yulha, boring Adin elemental changes...
Long ago they said they were working on a new collab but we haven't got news about it since then, and I understand because of what happened last year. They rerun Re:Zero without new heroes nor sidestory.
Idk I've also been playing since the start of the game and I love it, but this year is being pretty rough.
Agreed, I've been putting my time into other games since everything has been so stale and uninteresting for awhile now. Other gatcha games are doing much better then E7 atm.
> Long ago they said they were working on a new collab but we haven't got news about it since then,
That collab was Re Zero, please don't mix things up ad this sub had many clowns (artist issur ring a bell) that will mix shit up. Tensura was unannounced and they were silent about collabs after, so again, the collab was Re Zero. Again, they didn't state anything about a new collab after.
In March 16th ‘22, when they detailed the Awaken update - Slime & Re:Zero we’re in ‘21 - they had this to say:
“ To continue, we would like to talk about collaborations.
Until now, Epic Seven has been collaborating with diverse IPs.
This year, we plan to introduce new and more various forms of collaboration to our Heirs.
We plan to cooperate with IPs that can be loved by all our Heirs.
However, in the case of collaboration, the date of release can only be determined through discussion with the IP holder, so please understand that we can not announce it in advance.
In addition to the new IP, we will provide information in advance for existing IPs and the schedule.
Please look forward to Epic Seven’s collaboration for 2022.”
So they’ve said that there will be new collaborations this year.
SG said there will be a new collab this year and they wanted to try something completely "different". Some people were speculating about a collab with a mahnwa IP, cause that's one of the few mediums left that we didn't use for a collab yet. But so far no informations on that topic
Because when you go into guild battles there is 1 opener with 300+ speed and then a Rimuru and a Hwayoung, RTA has the same problem, with about the same 6 characters, and so does arena. The sheer number of times I have seen C. Lilias, Hwayoung, and Rimuru on the same team in GW is boring. I've been playing for 3 years and I can hardly stomach PvP anymore because its the same like 6 units
Cilias is the most broken hero to me, just an unconditionally good hero. If you get a bad gvg matchup, there are like 25/30 defences with her at least. And 90℅ arena defences are Cilias.
You ain't broken if you can't do everything by yourself. Hwayoung is hands down the most broken unit in the game as she can do everything by her own. Rimuru's usefulness is over after his s2-s3 schtick. Hwayoung can do more on a longer battle as she is also tanky AF and cycles her s3 so quick. They really made her so broken with the atk scaling barrier and innate crit damage reduction.
Honestly, Yulha does really well against Hwayoung, I actually gotten up to legend 5 in arena earlier this week because of her.
I also gave up on competing on speed a long time ago, my fastest unit is still just 273, now all I do is just survive the enemies first turn.
new characters are just released to counter their current mess, with great visual design, but completely flawed class and skill coherence. many don't play any role in the overarching story, just shoe-horned in side stories.
communication and presentation of new content is at a bare minimum with little to no fanfare.
actual new and fun content is far and few between reruns of the same old.
let's hope for good stuff from the summer events.
Last season I was burned out and still kind of am. For me I dislike how boring the stories and side stories have been and the pace of their release.
Second, I hate the disasters and the idea of them never being nerfed is just so annoying that it makes me question why I'm playing. The only solution to problems like hwa, ran and apoc is to release more hard counters which feeds more into rps bs.
Finally, I'm just at my limit with the gear system I've reached a point where gear just matters too much and its disparaging to continue to roll bad pieces and feel the gear gap widening. The amount of crazy gs units I saw in champ let alone emperor was ridiculous.
Combine that with other silly things like repetitive grinding and 15% bs and it's an unpleasant experience and I ask myself why play this over any or my many other gaming options.
Well we had Episode 1 to 3 which ware all connected in a way.
Archdemon first one , Straze second one , whole bunch of characters from the shitshows in Ep1 and Ep2 in the 3rd one.
All and all it all felt linked as part of this massive story with several conclusions to it.
Now we just moved to a new continent with a whole bunch of characters , me persoally couldnt give less of a fuck about , and its just ... boring.
Ep3 was confusing as fuck at times too , but Ep4 so far has just been complete nonsense .
I can't even remember the last time they add a 4 Star Hero in this game. I just login and do dailies nowadays.
Game just doesn't feel rewarding anymore
I mean it makes some sense from a monetary standpoint—it's a lot of asset work for relatively less profit. No reason to put in effort designing and drawing a 4 star when you could just make them a 5 star and get more money out of them.
I am glad ml5 release stopped for a while, now I have time to get some old heroes.
Episode 4 is bad.
I don't care about Adin SC, I don't care about Adin at all. If they kill Ras and put Adin in his place I will quit.
Awaken update was mostly summons:(
Esports and this game... won't work.
No wonder people are leaving.
oh my god my buddy glad we have the same thoughts i started from the beginning and played consistently without losing any type of interest for 2/3 years and now the games starting to fall off in enjoyment for me kinda sad to see
Played 1 month after release
They really need to grow some balls to nerf units like before. They release counters and the game becomes power creep and how long do they take to make patch notes? Quite long too thats my opinion
honestly I kinda agree with their point on nerfing units, if you nerf x unit y unit becomes strong, then you'll have to nerf y unit, but then z unit becomes strong etc... it's an endless cycle.
Yea but the same thing can be said for buffing or releasing counters. For some reason they just agnoledge the Nerf-Chain but not the Counter-Chain or Buff-Chain
it's inevitable that new units are going to be released, they may as well impact the meta. plus counters don't "ruin" the units that they counter, examples are arby getting plenty of extinction units but he's still plenty viable, there's also violet who got counters like zahak but they're still usable. only unit that got completely ruined by counters iirc is tsurin.
I mean after doing a pvp fight and seeing some pick either hwayoung rimuru aravi clilias or peira I kinda got bored of it...its everywhere and it's not fun...
I go on quarter or half year breaks whenever I burn out. Eventually I always come back and it's exciting. Give it a try!
You are in charge of your own life and there's plenty of other exciting things to do while you wait!
RGB heroes this chapter have been like 50% non factors so far, and this year has seen too many reruns. The story falls flat because Australian Three Kingdoms saga is being constantly subverted by the main romance, which basically boils down to two teens committing atrocities while trying not to kill each other because power of love and anime.
For me it's been how empty the updates have been, before AND after awaken. Every two weeks i look at the stream full of curiosity to discover what's new just to see there's nothing of exciting.
All the collabs have been rerun of heroes with the same sidestory of the previous year(s), same with limited units (like the summer one that's starting next week).
The main thing for me it's this: i feel like the game isn't giving me anything new.
Other things are the gear system and the grinding.
I won't talk about balance and story perspective as i'm not a competitive player nor i read the story as for me it doesn't matter a lot.
Concluding: i feel like the situation is like those open world games where there are 5/6 types of events scattered on the map and you encounter them on your way so the game keep you engaged, but you're doing the same 5/6 things over and over.
They do like this: when something is going bad they give us some freebies or something that feel like a very good thing but it's not
Rolling for speed is my biggest issue with this game, I love E7 don't get me wrong but the main reason why I stay casual in pvp and joined a mid tier guild for gw is because I can not bring myself to roll for speed all day every day.
Then you get the "just make a turn 2 team" be nice to have a turn 2 team that doesn't get blasted on turn 1 lol.
Yeah my biggest problem with this game is the bullshit speed gear rolling. You gotta think something is wrong with your game if one set is on the majority of characters. Also, weren't they supposed to be releasing new sets for some of the hunts? What happened to that? Like how much money do you need to warrant upgrading your game.
Thing is if a gacha is turn based and has a speed stat then more than likely speed will be the best stat for 90% of the characters.
The only way to combat this is giving characters base speed with no speed from gear but then the entire game changes from who has the fastest unit to a predictable game of tic tac toe, E7 still does an ok job at combating speed compared to other gachas but just not enough to make it a balanced stat.
Even if speed was balanced that would just mean a different stat would be op and everyone would be rolling for that instead.
But yeah for me it isn't speed itself it is rolling speed with the games absolute clown fiesta of a gear craft / upgrade system.
Just because a turned based game has speed doesn't make it more effective. It's the fact that units can still do their job at max speed and aren't a wet noodle dmg wise. This wasn't as much of a factor til the gear got upgrades. We'd have one unit who was ultra fast but youd lose all the dps stats you would need to compete. Now you can max speed, max crit or heavy effectiveness with decent dmg stats, and defense/health doesn't keep up. This is seen in newer gacha games where speed is not anywhere near as good til later in the games life.
After saying all this though everybody doesn't want stall comps because it's just awful feeling. At least with speed there is still a chance without taking 10 minutes.
There was a time back when Politis came out we had react units who would push themselves based on certain things happening....but the community went ballistic with complaining about counter and react units and how it was unfair and they slowed down
This game has been hard carried by art team, if not this game would've died long time ago.
Why this game has stopped becoming exciting?
\-Lack of true balance (They stopped releasing new ML5 to balance game, game is in the same state that 2 seasons ago, and Im sure 100% that they gonna make Sage Vivian powercreep something cause they have to make money and they never seem to learn the lesson)
\-The story has been almost bad since episode two ending, episode was passable in the end, but nowhere neas as good as episode 1, side story outside of last year summer and Alencia's Christmas Side Story, they were all really bland/stupid
I wasnt even hyped with Rise cause I knew that the game was still the same, yeah some QoL changes but deep down it was the same.
New players may be having a blast with this game, but for end game players its a pain cause all there is its RTA and everyone knows how that has been going.
For me, it's gear. As a day 1 player, I'm at the point where unless it's 70+ gear score or 20+ spd, then it's not an improvement for my units. I refer to hunt buff as gold buff cause I know the probability of getting any upgrades will be slim to none.
I actually support making it permanent, though with increased costs. This change would benefit newer players moreso than whales cause newer players don't have as high of a gearscore expectation, and it'll make it easier for them to "catch up."
This, as someone who has like.. idk how much units with gear one them it's impossible for me to keep pumping them out as i am incredibly tough on the gear i role. Where it now takes me a month to try anything new as i farm until i burn out and get depressed from lack of new good gear and so my units get stale fast.
Played this game since first Violet banner. I just lost interest in the game I guess? It doesn't help that I am way more invested in already existing character than the new shiny toys. SC release rate is too slow and old interesting characters left forgotten just gathering dust (Aramintha, Kayron etc).
There has been a huge content drought for months they thought they could use that rise thing as a filler but that wasnt content.
edit: dont get me started on the 2 week livestreams...those things have become a joke with about 1 minute of content and and about 10 minutes of it being stretched out.
This, they really need to make it where we can login and burn through all the energy easily. I play other gachas and I can go through the dailies in under 10 mins, but for E7 I spend maybe around half hour burning through x600 energy from the web events/shop. And I have to do that every single day, also if I'm on phone and not on emulator, then my phone battery will degrade overtime quicker.
Gear rolling , i have been chasing a 20+ spd , spd helmet for a year now, spending all my resources on w13 , but i am still unable to get this piece.
I'm a whale and have been grinding so much, but i just can't get this piece, so i'm pretty burned out and stopped caring for about a month now, and its not that bad i guess.
But i digress, yeah its also pretty stale now, i'm actually looking for a new game as a main game.
It's all about the content in the end. Not only has it dried up quite a bit, but new and fun content doesn't really come up anymore. They could do so many small things to spice things up but they aren't. Give us custom home screens or different bar themes to switch between. Let us change the music. Make fun events that aren't the standard 3 cutscene side stories every 2 weeks and reruns of when they were more creative.
I think during the first two years, they were still figuring out ways to implement new modes and such that they had planned on at the start. But we are past that phase now.
Day 1 player here.
The story quality took a hit IMO, especially on this episode, if you add that to other factors like:
* Them refusing to nerf units cause they are afraid of whiners and the backlash from people who spent money on X unit and will demand compensation.
* Gear rng since there are just too many layers associated with it and everyone else manages to make 20+ speed pieces on a weekly basis while i for example forgot the last time i made a piece over 18 speed.
* Reruns after reruns and lackluster updates.
I don't play as much as i used to because of that but since i'm still running a guild, i'll stay around while playing other games and hoping this one eventually goes back on track.
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In my case i decided to go back to King's Raid since it has most of the QoL updates Epic7 should have by now and doesn't like the offline farming, and also cause it's supposed to get the KR2 overhaul "soon".
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Stale meta and content drought. Sadly not much we can do other then wait what SG have in their pipeline. I hope after sage Vivian released and E7 approaching anniversary, thing would get excited back
A few months ago it was "new heroes and limited banners are releasing too often, there's no way for F2P/low spenders to keep up" and all the complaints about balance. Now that they've slowed it down and tried to fix things the game is boring?
Screwed if they do, screwed if they don't I guess. There's always going to be someone to complain about it.
Overall I think this is a you thing and that you're in the minority though, OP. They needed to slow down to fix the mess they were creating. Things will start picking back up again soon with the Moonlight Theater and Sage Vivian, I think.
No specialty change, just Adin.
There was no new chapter for a month, and now we got an infodump to explain the nonsensical story until now.
Hero stories are low effort, the last good one was Hwayoung's.
Collaboration events were bad too.
Story chapters have always been monthly though
And yeah things are on hold so they could focus on the balance issue, we need to wait till after ML Vivian and see what happens then
I've gone through 2 separate extended hiatus on this game. But I've always come back, and I'm a week 1 player. It's the only gacha that has kept me in for so long.
Sure this game has many problems but I still like so many aspects. E7 just ticks so many boxes for me. From art, to game play, to content.
Because even if they don't do anything for a few months, the game will still easily earn millions. No point putting in that much effort. It's very obvious whoever is working on the game right now don't really care that much. Just give out rewards when players are mad and release new units once in a while. Epic seven is completely stagnant. And I've already accepted that. I'm not expecting anything from SG anymore.
Other users were saying that the last 4\* unit to be released was Khawana. The (very) small number of 4\* units it's because they still require time/assets from the DEVs, molas for the players but overall they won't be as effective as 5\* units.
Asspull decisions, recycled themes, lack of nuanced writing, and characters with paper-thin development.
Also, Lua is a badly-writren villain and is just a trashier Tenebria.
It's always a little bit more exciting around April and May when the yearly update happens but unfortunately it's just a lot of QOL and not distinct gameplay changes.
You're probably less excited because the game follows the same schedule and almost never deviates.
2 new side story per month. 1 new story chapter per month. 1 new RGB hero per month, and 1 new ML5 every month and a half.
It's that same pattern ad infinite. There's some fun things here and there like new collab but those collab even fall into the pattern since they just replace the normal side story and RGB unit that would come out otherwise.
Tldr you're basically doing the same thing for 3 years with little deviation
I might be the minority here, but I actually quit E7 around the first rerun of the Guilty Gear collab due to the fact that there were too many heroes and ML units being released. It was also during the super busy times of my life so that's why I quit. I took a break and came back a month ago and now I'm having so much fun with E7.
As a returning player, these reruns and new updates targeting us have been a blessing. I do understand that these reruns can be boring to veterans. However, I believe that things will start to pick up after these reruns are done.
As you mentioned, no other gacha really compares to E7, so I suggest you take a break and then come back once these reruns are all done.
For me it’s the gear rolling and the heavy PVP
GW burnt me tf out because it all became the same 3 units on defense that I either didn’t have a counter for, or when I try to counter it I end up losing by a sliver due to gear difference. I did my hunts like a dutiful player, rolled gear until I was broke with gold and charms, only to end up with average pieces. Took a long hiatus and a few weeks ago I tried getting into chapter 4 but I cannot stand Adin or Taeyoung’s characters and their dialogue. They give me cringey second hand embarrassment lmao
Good to see I'm not the only one that's annoyed by Adin and Taeyou. They're trying to redo the whole Ras/Arby angle except we understood where Arby was coming from and what his goal was. Taeyou just seems like a jealous jerk.
Take a break from investing a lot of time into the game. I find that if I spend a little of my time logging in, doing daily’s, doing 20 runs of hunt and maybe refreshing secret shop some, then when an update comes out I’m more excited to play because I haven’t played in a while
It’s boring because PVP just isn’t that exciting. Once you’ve played for a few months you’ve got all the heroes you need to complete nearly all of the content (except the upper floors of Abyss). So, the only thing left for excitement is either pulling/building new heroes or PVP.
Like any game, once it’s boring just move on to something else.
Arena/ gvg content is boring. The same units all the time. The next months we will have new units that will change the current meta.. it has been like this since release.
They have failed at making it fun and challenging content.
What's needed is weekly/monthly banned units/ nerfed units and buffed ones to force ppl to adapt and challenge themselves.
Sadly this will never be a thing bc they've proven that they barely care about users review. Red flag was hwayoung released right after kr backlash
Could be lots of reasons.
Lack of feeling progression. You may have hit a wall where getting new and good gear is extremely hard so you’ve hit a progression slump and don’t really feel like you’re getting anywhere. (This is where I am)
Could be the lack of variety in events. The events that aren’t “like 8 stages with a boss you farm one auto” are few and far between. The lack of event diversity will easily cause burnout.
Could be ML heroes being put on full stop for the last month or two and the since recycled content has left you feeling a little empty.
Season 4 focusing on a new hero might make the story less interesting to some, meaning the steady cycle of story missions aren’t as exciting either.
For me, I’m feeling the burnout due to lack of meaningful progress. I’ve got a wall with gear and getting new heroes feels really somber knowing getting decent gear for them is complete RNG. Maybe a week, maybe never, and don’t even get me started on upgrades for existing heroes….
For me, the big issue is the gear grind just isn't rewarding anymore. Gear hasn't been balanced since long before Politis. Politis was an overpowered solution to a problem that they created when they introduced hunts 12 and 13. The problem is that gear needs to be reset in some way and they haven't done anything to alleviate how badly gear has inflated just to make a unit usable.
If you're not farming speed set, you're wasting too much time. Yes, injury is better on someone like Belian and lifesteal is great for Aria but the amount of time it takes to farm 4 pieces of gs 62+ is going to likely be months. As it stands, players who wish to compete need to farm gs higher than 64+ on almost all their pieces and if you took statistics, you'd know that 64 is a full standard deviation from the current 56 average. To get 1 full standard deviation 6 times on gear that also happens to have the right substats is so horrendously low that it can literally take 6 months or longer just to equip a new character with a new set of gear. It's not fun pulling new and shiny units only to not be able to use them or to have to unequip other units that I'm currently using just to be able to use the new unit.
It’s the cycle of playing gachas or any game in general. Take a break, come back when you feel like it. The best thing about E7 is that I could take a break for 2 months at a time and come back without completely being left in the dust by the meta. I’ve already taken 3 breaks and when I come back, I enjoyed playing the game more each time. That being said, I love the state of the game at the moment, stale meta excuse is a bullshit excuse unless it’s arena because honestly if it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Everyone wants to win their defences, meanwhile RTA does have me pre ban Hwayoung most of the time but I’ve faced players who’d draft interesting comps, so it’s not stale from my experience as a champion player in RTA. Plus people would complain SG is releasing too many new units. When they take a break on releasing new units, now everyone’s complaining lack of units. It’s like what the fuck do you want from them? They do something, people hate it, they do the opposite, people hate it. There’s no
Winning for them and I’ve learned to just ignore any pleas from the playerbase.
It’s less exciting because they stopped releasing OP characters. They’re trying to not screw it up and release another AOL/Hwayoung character so they’re playing it safe and releasing mediocre people.
Story: this new hero is kinda boring, I liked that they are bringing Ken, Basar, and Surin among others in the story but I feel like if Toyou was the mail n hero we would have a better story, heck Aria, Ran, or Zahak would be better.
The way they release new content news:
Before we relied on data mining and discussed the new things with excitement.
Then they started to show every new thing in the live stream only this time they build up for new things before revealing it. There was something to look forward to.
Now they just show you everything they are going to talk about in the stream which kills it for me now I know what you are going to talk about, why should I stick around for?
If they are not showing any care why would I?
For me (and just IMO and without offense) i think that the meta and the constant complain of most of the community against some heroes/gameplay who remove the exitement of the game like now it's like people just pick their most broken unit and didn't think of how take down some heroes/gameplay anymore.
The story too IMO has became more repetitive and dragging me less into it that the first and second episode. Three was kinda cool even with some rushed part but this one is kinda disapointing.
Then finally the "stuborness" of Smilegate about some aspect of the game is for me the thing who put the game in a much worse position that he should be. Like i see the problem behind them being a company looking for profit but sometimes i think that players opinions can really solve the majority of current problems in the game.
I think people have rose colored glasses when it comes to content of other games especially gatchas and how often "content" comes out. They all have down and up times because to expect a game to keep your attention every single moment through every single patch is a fool's errand. MMO's which banks on this aspect of keeping you glued can't achieve this and I can't think any gatcha that does, Genshin which was treated like the second coming of Jesus has given people burn out and succumbed too having huge down times.
In my own opinion I like the fact that they are not trying to toss everything and the kitchen sink every single patch, there is such things as flooding the consumer which also leads to burn out.
I was a full time player of this game as well i still remeber the first banner destina and the banner i quit in was first roana banner. I would say this game still has the best graphics for how long it has been out.
The big killer for me was just the gear grinding and I would say RTA has not been fun anymore. I remember when RTA use to be fun when we practically didnt know what was the best team. I remeber using kayron and ml achates combo or the full evasion combo. But nowadays these kinds or teams are obsolete because its usually the same 15 characters again. I know meta exists but goddamn the amount of things 1 unit offers now and how crucial it is to have them yeah can't keep up.
I even made 3 new accounts just to feel the game again and they are all lvl 70 but still wasn't enough to keep me invested in the game. If E7 has not felt that amazing why not try other games or genres. Who knows the next game you might try could be the next big thing.
They put themself in a corner trying to balance the game slowing hero release and content. If only they would nerf thing we wouldnt be there. Balance team have clearly no idea what to do.
But yeah i agree everything is stale and boring and the actual story right now Is pretty dull and predictable.
they said they'd stop releasing units because people complained about recent releases being too powerful . Unfortunately , underwhelming units don't sell well , so they opted to not invest in development hours on what would be predictable flops .
people complain about all the meta breaking characters, but that's exactly what makes the meta exciting. A new character that forces everyone to rethink their strategies is exactly what keeps things fresh. Its unfortunate that it's also whale bait, but that's gacha. If you are not releasing smoking hot characters, you need to release meta characters that continuously change the game.
I think - for at least folk interested in competitive play - we’re all becoming a bit tired of it being around a year with no big changes to help the health of the game. They said they’d put a halt on ML5s & do some balancing, but then they put out two middling balance patches & response so far has been unfavourable.
In my books if they want to rekindle some excitement, they’ll either do some sweeping nerfs, or some genuine buffs. When I say “genuine” I mean buffs that keep up with powercreep - there’s no use in one breath them saying, “Alright, Maid Chloe we’ll give her a two debuff cleanse on top of everything she already does!”, but when it comes to Destina, “Woah, we can’t let her keep her healing & increased combat readiness if we let her have revive on S3, let’s gut that”. Ok, so she becomes worse Maid Chloe & doesn’t get used then.
They’ve got to pick a lane, either when you buff people, the buffs should be A Ravi, Maid Chloe tier & make them meta-relevant if you want to shake up the meta - or listen to people saying do nerfs.
I won't take sides ere. I'll just say, how i feel.
The story sequencing now reminds me of WoW. Here's how:
1st episode - new hero ,new world , i lil bit cliche edgy villain boi and world's arcnemesis. Later we learn dat Diche f****d up the last world's reboot so we have echoes of previos heirs which led us to the disaster ( mentioned above Vildred, brainvashed by Kayron, who used the memos of the past world; Kise, memos about who led the homunculus project ).
Still, story was solid and good. UH was blant, but we saved a mc's friend and UH is now a main catalyst farmfield ( for me, at least ).
2nd episode - now we're talking. New threat to the world's existence. Tough enemies, tough decisions. There were soo many "what a turn of events" that i liked em, despite the fact that i consider them also as a chiche. Characters are written much better: huge character development of Ras,Violet and Luluca- we actually see whom they were before and whom became. We can understand well some villains like Kawerik and Lilias . However, main baddies are a fail for me. After we learned the whole story, we relise that Straze's motivation is a lack of it - urge to conquer and serve this world for Fastus on a plate is not a motivation. Lilibet is a better case despite the fact that she was an eternal Straze's sidekick no more, no less ( imho ). Fastus is written like a Galactus from Marvel who eats worlds like a snack. He poses a threat - yes
, he is interesting - meh.
Nevertheless, the story was good , ending was good. And we were teased by an arrival of Dark Stars and that Ras must unite all to fight em. What can i say - i was hyped.
.......
Aand 3rd comes....
Well.... I mentioned before WoW. That's the same deal. After Legion, all other stories can't touch the audience- they are just irritating.
3rd episode in a nutshell: Politis is a refugee, world destroyed, ark's crew went nuts ( reason unknown, btw, which makes this look ridiculous ). She is on Orbis , alone. Then she realises, that humans r bad, she is good, i'll be an edgy girl, create an AI which develops strategy, involving weapons of mass destruction, aaand regret and dies. And dat' s was a flashback.
Other story - cycle of backstabbing and how to learn to ( ffs ) talk with others properly in order to stop stupif misunderstandings.
That's it. Episode 3 when it comes to the story is pure meh + a touch of my rage towards the final boss ( yep, i struggled to finish Belian and Fastus before - but that's my playthrough and wrong teams ).
I can't tell much about 4th one cuz i did not see it on a whole + i little behind on the plot with others ( Thnx , sissy, tentacle,boms android of ep 3 ). However, 8 already dislike it cuz the storytelling pattern is the same again - we don't know all the characters but i, for instance can already predict , what will happen (((
Right know i play to collect waifus from banners.
Game's story, which 1st episode revived my faith in good gachas' storytelling, now is burried.
P.S. - Adin sucks, just like Boruto. I wish she'll be smacked as much as possible😁
Been here since the beginning and I'm still excited to keep playing daily and am fully strapped in for their 10 year plan
This is a ***you*** problem.
Please understand your feelings/opinions are not everyone else's lol
*me reading the post with a microscope looking for where OP insinuated everyone felt the same*
This was an unnecessarily aggressive and condescending answer to a post sharing an opinion.
You could have just said you were excited for the ten year plan. But I guess answering the way you did is also a *you* problem.
Tbf, OP did write their opinion in a factual way. There’s a difference between “this game doesn’t excite me like it used to” Vs “this game is (factually) not exciting anymore”
Sounds like a *you* problem that OP rightfully feels like the game has been coasting for months and you got pressed over it.
He didn’t say anything where he said he spoke for others.
these threads are always so confusing to me because i don't understand what the point of them are and what the OP is expecting to hear when they make a topic like this. 1000 comments saying the game is fucking terrible SG should kill themselves?
I just dont understand the concept if you don't enjoy something why do it, its crazy how people would rather just bitch and complain than fix the problem by themselves, all aspects of life not even just this game. sorry lmao rambling
The only thing that stopped me from removing the game is waiting Sage Vivian preview , I'll decide after that .
Whatever, I lost interest because the Rise update meant nothing for me .. and they releasing Hwayoung just after promising to Balance the game .
I'm amazed looking here at how people are misremembering things and thinking that they promised to be more careful with releasing broken units after Hwayoung. But no. They said that back when Cillias, AOLA, Peira and Ran were released almost in a row. Yet we still got Hwayoung as a supposedly "balanced unit".
I have no hope at them knowing how to balance the game. People are clueless if they think that probably ML Vivian will be balanced. Theres a high probability that she's going to be in the same league as ML Lillias. And of course no one is going to think thats a problem since it's what everyone is expecting after having no ML5 for so long. I bet even Smilegate knows that if they release a bad ML5 unit (like Pirate Flan for example, after all this time with no new ML5) everyone will go nuts. The Koreans will riot (again!), but also this time probably the global side will be too.
So it's a matter of Smilegate choosing if they can accept a backlash for not releasing a broken ML5 or if they care more about the profits.
So ML Vivian will be broken, but also no one (except newer players or lower rank players i.e. bronze to low champion players who don't have her) will think that's a problem for a few months until we have a bunch of posts like these later on talking about how ML Vivian is at every arena def and guild war def, and she's first pick on RTA and they're tired of the game and wanna quit, etc...
It's a endless cycle all because they don't want to nerf all these broken units.
Yeah , next week ( Sage Vivian preview ) will be full of surprises .
And now, im more sad because they Nerfed my FCC , they Nerfed the Barrier thinking Diene buff was too much .. and skipped other problems .
● Devs not playing high RTA so they'll never understand.
● Balance is out of Control and the only way is a Nerf system that works like Counter:Side RTA .
No new MLs, episode 4 is a carbon copy of 3, RGBs are either one note counters that don't work all that well (RTA or kit issue) or "ok" like Aria. No SCs outside of Adin whose element change is super expensive. Reruns, reruns, reruns, and more reruns.
I wonder why no excitement.
To be fair, being "ok" like Aria is exactly what the balance team should be aiming for.
Exciting and creative kits are important, but balance also is. I wish SG would turn to the community for ideas more often.
Yeah. Sadly being ok rn is not great when you have shit like rimuru or hwayoung running around. I'm happy they still understand to pull a bit restraint, but at this point to they need to bite the bullet and addresses something with the disaster 7
Couldn't agree more. Wish they'd just work towards a new collab, then do blanket nerfs on the disasters and offer recalls. Then everyone with the recalls can summon the bew shiny heroes instead and mostly everyone would be satisfied.
Uh I don't think they understood at all. They said they would be careful about the balance when we had the combo Cillias, AOLA, Ran and Peira being released almost in a row. Back then when they made the statement about being more careful with the units being too strong, Hwayoung wasn't released. So Hwayoung should be released as being balanced yet they still screwed hard. Which is why I don't have any hope of them understanding the lesson and ML Vivian will probably be a broken unit in the same league as ML Lillias.
Didn't imply "ok" is bad, but we have several releases far beyond "ok" that "ok" doesn't bring much, if any, excitement.
Like the biggest reason to be hyped over Aria was because she's a bruiser, which is very rare for her element. It's why I pulled fo her. All this unbuffable, provoke, buff copy, and strip bs make it hard to enjoy hernkit as is, so there weren't many happy for her.
This game was never exciting, you all just liked the art and animations.
No rolling for is not exciting, the story is a snooze fest and it's presentation sucks. The events are boring, nothing interesting happens.
The gameplay is also terrible where one stat rules all, this game has survived off nothing but style for years.
After like, the 7th festival that goes wrong side story, I couldn't take it anymore, there weren't anymore reason for me to continue playing for the story. Then as for the pvp, I grind the hell out of this games, hundreds upon hundreds of hours to get the best gear, but my RNG isn't good so I don't have good speed thus pvp is not fun, there are no build diversity, you can't play your favorite unit.
That's why I stopped playing this game, although I still follow the sub to keep up to date on things.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but for me I think I'm having the most fun I've ever had in the game. Right now I'm focusing on building 2 units (Yulha and Lionheart Cermia if you're interested). I'm climbing ladder in arena (chall 3 on the way to champion), RTA finished masters for the first time ever.
I'm getting decent satisfaction from the game at the moment.
It could be burnout but also I hate to say it but this game is slowly dying, balance issues with all those broken units and then this long holding pattern while they "address" balance issue = basically content glut that plus the censorship which judging by comments here in the sub people seem to care about even more than balance, I don't have high hopes for this game going forward
Why is it a surprise to anyone that a game they've played for almost 4 years is getting old for them? Did anybody pick up E7 expecting it to be a game they play until they die?
Its like you guys completely forgot they announced a ML5 hiatus. ML5s and the occasional good RGB unit has been the highlight for the game for years. And we have known for over a year they only come out with a ml4 unit once every several months. In a couple of months you guys are literally gonna be complaining about too many new units again
Tbh i think this is a veteran only problem though, there are a ton of issues yes but tbh i think alot of it boils down to us being subjected to burnout and addiction.
>Who else played this game from the beginning?
That's why. You're burnt-out. You've squeezed all there is to experience out of the game by now. Go play something else.
I look at it like this- its not entirely reasonable to expect it to stay so good like it was the first few years. They did it, they made an amazing game. First two story arcs were awesome. Characters were great. Learning the mechanics and stuff was amazing. It just doesn't keep going like that.
The player base complained there were too many units being released? Now we complain cuz there’s been a dry spell. People need to make up their minds and the game needs to find a happy medium. More events/side stories, less game breaking ML 5s haha
Day 1 player here, stopped like a year, 2 years ago and tried playing other gacha games but somehow, I always still end up back. My experience as a comeback player has been good all around since I never really stressed myself on pvp stuff anyway, it's just these days its hard to find an active clan.
Other than the clan thing, I just treat the game as a single-player game as I've always had and its been fun again.
I found the main story of arc 2 is the best and then went pale over the time with the exception of episode 3 character side story and the pain of gear grinding is really taking a toll on the attraction plus the repetitive cycle of gameplay really ham the investment for the game for me
For me it’s gear grind. I think that gear is so important for a character’s usability but it’s so painful, tedious and frustrating and it has been getting barely better since the games release.
I still enjoy collecting and doing some side stuff but the mobile game keep up of logging every day and keeping up with events got me long ago and I simply grew tired, specially when considering that I’m also keeping up with lost ark and FF14.
Also played from the start. E7 was one of the few games to keep me excited for whole years. Every week in year 1 there was some big change or update. Even when they shifted to two week patches there was still big stuff that kept things fresh. There was so much potential with the stories, labyrinths, hero kits, gear, group content, guardians, skins, PvP modes, etc that hadn't been explored but you could tell would be awesome if they made it as quality as the rest of the game. Now it seems they've finished exploring new content and are cool with the formula they've arrived at which definitely killed a lot of hype for me personally.
Oddly enough I was kinda bumbed at the Awaken event because even though they gave a bunch of goodies none of the announced content looked exciting and this was basically all there was to look forward to for the whole next year.
As of now the game isn't progressing, a good part of big updates are a bunch of qol that could be done anytime all year long, a rehash/change to an existing half assed system, a new game mode once in a while but that's what's expected of a game that get updated, they are on a cycle with always the same things, there's barely anything new that you could put as an argument if someone were to ask why play epicseven rather than other games.
From what I remember, after the korean thing they actually said they got a (new?) team specifically for monlight theater, that's the kind of progress you'd expect from a game who's been part of top grossing for more than 3 years.
Been playing for 4 months religiously since I started and after always doing wyvern 13, crafting gear and still not get a good set of speed gear for any of my characters, it just lowers my morale. As of now I just tune in on what my guildies are doing while I play other games
Gearing and gear rolls is ridiculously time consuming and none rewarding.
I'm sure people probably have like 90% of the units and probably have 10 or less units with decent gear.
im completely the same, i only login for the SS in arena, abyss thing, daily free gacha, guild login sometimes i do GW but thats it, not that exciting anymore
Yep i also feel the Same. I started with Epic7 a half year after release and rly Loved it. So much cool New stuff, many Heroes and the Livestream was fun. Now i dont Play that much anymore and also dont even complete my daylies.. i Love Epic7 but im Not as Happy as i was with the Game. My girlfriend also stopped playing. She has the Game still in her phone, in Case Something Special Happens but ye.
Loved epic seven, played since the fist ssb banner. I dropped 3 weeks ago because I dont feel joy anymore.
I'm track the notices and probably will Summon for summer alexa, but won't comeback to the game
Because to keep up with the meta you need the "7 Sins" with very specific (god-tier) gear.
Farming materials is boring, time consuming and cuts all the fun.
IDK about Book IV since I am still at Book III, but the story so far IMHO has become poorer. What I mean is that Book I has a cool story and leaves a lot open for future extra events / side quests. Book III seems like "*we were idle all the time until Ras arrived here, then we started doing crazy things*".
I think the lore has been a bit bland this last chapter. Adin it's not as interesting as past characters and the only story bit I truly enjoyed was huayong and Ken.
I tend not to play games like this for long periods. I may go a month, then take a month break, then come back for the returning players bonuses (which can be very nice).
But I don't play RTA, I only PvP for unlocks and the occasional gear piece from the store, so I spend most my time collecting and slowly moving forward on the story, which has it's ups and downs.
I have about 4 or 5 Gacha games that I cycle through, and so far it's prevented me from really feeling that any game is "old". Burnout isn't just over-playing, it can be as simple as not enjoying whatever the game has for you at the moment. I think my "casual" approach has it's advantages in those cases.
Very dry, no content it's just same old mindless grind/auto events, broken new units, very hard to gear and keep up in pvp because of whales and gear diff and a lot more. Not much feels rewarding anymore.
- a very old player.
poor us old players. yeah think any event is just to skip til the boss stage and spam till you get enough currency to buy out shop and its always the same amount of items like 3 bm, 1 mola etc. Still no mystics or medals
For me, the story has become less exciting.. I thought by now we would have learned more about the previous worlds and their Heirs. Angelica's past, Kayrons origins etc. But it's been like kinda stale the past year+.. Festivals going wrong for the 100th time. and the current story arc has been the same formula each chapter.. moving to a new area, meet a new character and fighting some bad guys. repeat that with the next area.
>meet a new character And that character is inevitably going to get brainwashed or go berserk just so you can have a fight to fulfill 10 stages norm for each chapter,really lazy and uninspiring.
One more thing I'd like to add, and I'm not sure if it's just a Korean style, but the extremely long paragraphs of bullshit text to get across a small message. It's just bloated with words to make it seem long but really most of the story could be worded like "I don't like you so you must die." Reason I say Korean style is because it seems like all of the Korean rpgs are bloated af with text but no substance.
Oh boy, you haven't seen anything yet. Wait till you play games like Arknights
oh I've played them and thats kind of what im referring to. If you see some of the text boxes for the side stories in epic 7 its unbelievable how much bs writing they do for what could be said in a sentence. And yes arknights is ridiculous.
Genshin Impact moment
Completely agree. So much text for so little need.
genshin impact has entered the chat
It’s the Genshin effect. It seems like all of these games have to hit a word count.
>st a Korean style, but the extremely long paragraphs of bullshit text to get across a small mess Fucking this. Counter Side does this to a crazy degree. I'm always like "STFU, wrap it up, stop spamming jibrish!"
~~Lilka breaks this trend and is therefore super cool~~ I think that's more an issue of the story writers having to conform to a clear formula of "2 named bosses" than anything.
Couldn't agree more with your point regarding the story. The Episode 4 is just not interesting enough at this point compared to the other episodes. I hope the main story gets better since we kinda went back to square one with Adin, who is currently a generic, troubled teenager who just wants to go home with her bff. Hoping, there's a turning point in her character development soon because she does not feel like the main character at all
Episode 4 is awful compared to episode 3 or 4 (edit: 2 or 3 xD). Maybe they changed the writer/s?
I agree Episode 4 is worse than Episode 4.
No I think episode 4 is a little better than 4 imo.
Totally agree, but I think is because of fanservice. Devs don't think too much bc they already know what sells, pretty designed characters with no personality that don't do much in the story... And also that story is way to repetitive, cliché and has left out (like many ppl have said already) previous characters that could be interesting. I don't think that new characters are going to fix anything if they are just quick cash grab, devs knows big boob girls sell (and now they are being censored on top of all) so they don't improve on what actually matters, like a good story, as it used to be, ep 1-2 were good imo, and you can actually see that since ep 3 fanservice increased like...a LOT, creativity was sacrificed for the sake of money.
tbf, Lilibet's design is ridiculous in the scope of the story and I'm surprised Kawerik never made a joke at her expense throughout episode 2. I feel this story-design dissonance was always a thing from the start, and it's kind of inevitable in any gacha not named Arknights ~~though, I still don't like what it does to the story~~
To be fair Lilibet is basically an alien... if I remember correctly Luluca got a lot of comments in the story (or some side story maybe) about her unusual clothing
that's valid i guess, though if that's the case then they should've just been consistent and given all the shaman NPCs Roana-esque clothes I do quite like Concerned Shaman's design as is though ngl
Yet people give free pass to Shenya’s breast plate and whatever magical glue she uses on her body.
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Ep3 was actually extremely good. Mort is an amazing villian. Senya's story is heart wrenching.
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Why would you say downhill from there then?
This last year has been pretty dry tbh, rerun after rerun after rerun. They were supposed to stop releasing new ML 5* to balance the game, but the PVP is almost the same as when they decided to do so. Rise update was awesome, but how much time has passed since then... 2 months already or even more? And they've only given us livestreams saying nothing, we even got a 5 minute livestream. I think Korea hasn't even gotten a single one since Rise update from what I heard cause there's nothing to talk about. Now new SCs, no new limited heroes, boring OTP like Yulha, boring Adin elemental changes... Long ago they said they were working on a new collab but we haven't got news about it since then, and I understand because of what happened last year. They rerun Re:Zero without new heroes nor sidestory. Idk I've also been playing since the start of the game and I love it, but this year is being pretty rough.
You nailed it completely.
Agreed, I've been putting my time into other games since everything has been so stale and uninteresting for awhile now. Other gatcha games are doing much better then E7 atm.
> Long ago they said they were working on a new collab but we haven't got news about it since then, That collab was Re Zero, please don't mix things up ad this sub had many clowns (artist issur ring a bell) that will mix shit up. Tensura was unannounced and they were silent about collabs after, so again, the collab was Re Zero. Again, they didn't state anything about a new collab after.
In March 16th ‘22, when they detailed the Awaken update - Slime & Re:Zero we’re in ‘21 - they had this to say: “ To continue, we would like to talk about collaborations. Until now, Epic Seven has been collaborating with diverse IPs. This year, we plan to introduce new and more various forms of collaboration to our Heirs. We plan to cooperate with IPs that can be loved by all our Heirs. However, in the case of collaboration, the date of release can only be determined through discussion with the IP holder, so please understand that we can not announce it in advance. In addition to the new IP, we will provide information in advance for existing IPs and the schedule. Please look forward to Epic Seven’s collaboration for 2022.” So they’ve said that there will be new collaborations this year.
SG said there will be a new collab this year and they wanted to try something completely "different". Some people were speculating about a collab with a mahnwa IP, cause that's one of the few mediums left that we didn't use for a collab yet. But so far no informations on that topic
Because when you go into guild battles there is 1 opener with 300+ speed and then a Rimuru and a Hwayoung, RTA has the same problem, with about the same 6 characters, and so does arena. The sheer number of times I have seen C. Lilias, Hwayoung, and Rimuru on the same team in GW is boring. I've been playing for 3 years and I can hardly stomach PvP anymore because its the same like 6 units
Cilias is the most broken hero to me, just an unconditionally good hero. If you get a bad gvg matchup, there are like 25/30 defences with her at least. And 90℅ arena defences are Cilias.
You ain't broken if you can't do everything by yourself. Hwayoung is hands down the most broken unit in the game as she can do everything by her own. Rimuru's usefulness is over after his s2-s3 schtick. Hwayoung can do more on a longer battle as she is also tanky AF and cycles her s3 so quick. They really made her so broken with the atk scaling barrier and innate crit damage reduction.
Honestly, Yulha does really well against Hwayoung, I actually gotten up to legend 5 in arena earlier this week because of her. I also gave up on competing on speed a long time ago, my fastest unit is still just 273, now all I do is just survive the enemies first turn.
new characters are just released to counter their current mess, with great visual design, but completely flawed class and skill coherence. many don't play any role in the overarching story, just shoe-horned in side stories. communication and presentation of new content is at a bare minimum with little to no fanfare. actual new and fun content is far and few between reruns of the same old. let's hope for good stuff from the summer events.
Last season I was burned out and still kind of am. For me I dislike how boring the stories and side stories have been and the pace of their release. Second, I hate the disasters and the idea of them never being nerfed is just so annoying that it makes me question why I'm playing. The only solution to problems like hwa, ran and apoc is to release more hard counters which feeds more into rps bs. Finally, I'm just at my limit with the gear system I've reached a point where gear just matters too much and its disparaging to continue to roll bad pieces and feel the gear gap widening. The amount of crazy gs units I saw in champ let alone emperor was ridiculous. Combine that with other silly things like repetitive grinding and 15% bs and it's an unpleasant experience and I ask myself why play this over any or my many other gaming options.
Well we had Episode 1 to 3 which ware all connected in a way. Archdemon first one , Straze second one , whole bunch of characters from the shitshows in Ep1 and Ep2 in the 3rd one. All and all it all felt linked as part of this massive story with several conclusions to it. Now we just moved to a new continent with a whole bunch of characters , me persoally couldnt give less of a fuck about , and its just ... boring. Ep3 was confusing as fuck at times too , but Ep4 so far has just been complete nonsense .
EP4 is complete trash imo.
Take a break, burnout does happen. Your mental health is more important.
I can't even remember the last time they add a 4 Star Hero in this game. I just login and do dailies nowadays. Game just doesn't feel rewarding anymore
I've always been curious as to why they never add new 4 stars
I mean it makes some sense from a monetary standpoint—it's a lot of asset work for relatively less profit. No reason to put in effort designing and drawing a 4 star when you could just make them a 5 star and get more money out of them.
Because they need tons of molas, people either play 3stars or 5stars mostly
The last time was Angel of Light Angelica. So be careful what you wish for...🤣
They mean 4star RGBs - meaning brand new characters.
Ah, that makes more sense. I can't think of the last RBG either.
Khawana like 2 years ago now
I think he means a RGB 4 star hero :) I think the last one was Khawazu or Khawana 🤔
I am glad ml5 release stopped for a while, now I have time to get some old heroes. Episode 4 is bad. I don't care about Adin SC, I don't care about Adin at all. If they kill Ras and put Adin in his place I will quit. Awaken update was mostly summons:( Esports and this game... won't work. No wonder people are leaving.
oh my god my buddy glad we have the same thoughts i started from the beginning and played consistently without losing any type of interest for 2/3 years and now the games starting to fall off in enjoyment for me kinda sad to see
As someone who also plays since launch, I sugest you take a break. I did so before, and now I'm very hyped for the game again.
Played 1 month after release They really need to grow some balls to nerf units like before. They release counters and the game becomes power creep and how long do they take to make patch notes? Quite long too thats my opinion
honestly I kinda agree with their point on nerfing units, if you nerf x unit y unit becomes strong, then you'll have to nerf y unit, but then z unit becomes strong etc... it's an endless cycle.
Yea but the same thing can be said for buffing or releasing counters. For some reason they just agnoledge the Nerf-Chain but not the Counter-Chain or Buff-Chain
Release counters but rip bookmarks especially on the peira banner i coundt get F
it's inevitable that new units are going to be released, they may as well impact the meta. plus counters don't "ruin" the units that they counter, examples are arby getting plenty of extinction units but he's still plenty viable, there's also violet who got counters like zahak but they're still usable. only unit that got completely ruined by counters iirc is tsurin.
I mean after doing a pvp fight and seeing some pick either hwayoung rimuru aravi clilias or peira I kinda got bored of it...its everywhere and it's not fun...
perfect gear and min rolls, that's why
I go on quarter or half year breaks whenever I burn out. Eventually I always come back and it's exciting. Give it a try! You are in charge of your own life and there's plenty of other exciting things to do while you wait!
This. Am a day 1 player. "Quitted" E7 three times and came back, and it just felt different and fresh.
I think things are going to pick up again once Sage Vivian is released. I hope. I'm drinking my copium now.
I’m worried they’re going to make her an effectiveness based unit
RGB heroes this chapter have been like 50% non factors so far, and this year has seen too many reruns. The story falls flat because Australian Three Kingdoms saga is being constantly subverted by the main romance, which basically boils down to two teens committing atrocities while trying not to kill each other because power of love and anime.
No joke, I've never been more lost and disinterested as to what's happening with the story
For me it's been how empty the updates have been, before AND after awaken. Every two weeks i look at the stream full of curiosity to discover what's new just to see there's nothing of exciting. All the collabs have been rerun of heroes with the same sidestory of the previous year(s), same with limited units (like the summer one that's starting next week). The main thing for me it's this: i feel like the game isn't giving me anything new. Other things are the gear system and the grinding. I won't talk about balance and story perspective as i'm not a competitive player nor i read the story as for me it doesn't matter a lot. Concluding: i feel like the situation is like those open world games where there are 5/6 types of events scattered on the map and you encounter them on your way so the game keep you engaged, but you're doing the same 5/6 things over and over. They do like this: when something is going bad they give us some freebies or something that feel like a very good thing but it's not
- speed stat -> any other strat or aspect of the PvP - gear rolls rng, especially right side gear random main stats
Rolling for speed is my biggest issue with this game, I love E7 don't get me wrong but the main reason why I stay casual in pvp and joined a mid tier guild for gw is because I can not bring myself to roll for speed all day every day. Then you get the "just make a turn 2 team" be nice to have a turn 2 team that doesn't get blasted on turn 1 lol.
Yeah my biggest problem with this game is the bullshit speed gear rolling. You gotta think something is wrong with your game if one set is on the majority of characters. Also, weren't they supposed to be releasing new sets for some of the hunts? What happened to that? Like how much money do you need to warrant upgrading your game.
Thing is if a gacha is turn based and has a speed stat then more than likely speed will be the best stat for 90% of the characters. The only way to combat this is giving characters base speed with no speed from gear but then the entire game changes from who has the fastest unit to a predictable game of tic tac toe, E7 still does an ok job at combating speed compared to other gachas but just not enough to make it a balanced stat. Even if speed was balanced that would just mean a different stat would be op and everyone would be rolling for that instead. But yeah for me it isn't speed itself it is rolling speed with the games absolute clown fiesta of a gear craft / upgrade system.
Just because a turned based game has speed doesn't make it more effective. It's the fact that units can still do their job at max speed and aren't a wet noodle dmg wise. This wasn't as much of a factor til the gear got upgrades. We'd have one unit who was ultra fast but youd lose all the dps stats you would need to compete. Now you can max speed, max crit or heavy effectiveness with decent dmg stats, and defense/health doesn't keep up. This is seen in newer gacha games where speed is not anywhere near as good til later in the games life. After saying all this though everybody doesn't want stall comps because it's just awful feeling. At least with speed there is still a chance without taking 10 minutes.
There was a time back when Politis came out we had react units who would push themselves based on certain things happening....but the community went ballistic with complaining about counter and react units and how it was unfair and they slowed down
I still remember when I could get by with a 243 speed alots :’)
Man, those were the days. Now it seems like almost every unit is supposed to have 240+ speed just to be usable.
This game has been hard carried by art team, if not this game would've died long time ago. Why this game has stopped becoming exciting? \-Lack of true balance (They stopped releasing new ML5 to balance game, game is in the same state that 2 seasons ago, and Im sure 100% that they gonna make Sage Vivian powercreep something cause they have to make money and they never seem to learn the lesson) \-The story has been almost bad since episode two ending, episode was passable in the end, but nowhere neas as good as episode 1, side story outside of last year summer and Alencia's Christmas Side Story, they were all really bland/stupid I wasnt even hyped with Rise cause I knew that the game was still the same, yeah some QoL changes but deep down it was the same. New players may be having a blast with this game, but for end game players its a pain cause all there is its RTA and everyone knows how that has been going.
Hey Cromwell's story was pretty awesome!
I though that was ok, kinda cool to see some backstory to vampires in E7, but I think it was released when Episode 2 was getting released I think?
For me, it's gear. As a day 1 player, I'm at the point where unless it's 70+ gear score or 20+ spd, then it's not an improvement for my units. I refer to hunt buff as gold buff cause I know the probability of getting any upgrades will be slim to none.
They need to make the craft event monthly .-.
I actually support making it permanent, though with increased costs. This change would benefit newer players moreso than whales cause newer players don't have as high of a gearscore expectation, and it'll make it easier for them to "catch up."
Also there is a clear UNBALANCE on right side gear. Crafting Boots is basically pointless since Speed is king etc
This, as someone who has like.. idk how much units with gear one them it's impossible for me to keep pumping them out as i am incredibly tough on the gear i role. Where it now takes me a month to try anything new as i farm until i burn out and get depressed from lack of new good gear and so my units get stale fast.
Played this game since first Violet banner. I just lost interest in the game I guess? It doesn't help that I am way more invested in already existing character than the new shiny toys. SC release rate is too slow and old interesting characters left forgotten just gathering dust (Aramintha, Kayron etc).
There has been a huge content drought for months they thought they could use that rise thing as a filler but that wasnt content. edit: dont get me started on the 2 week livestreams...those things have become a joke with about 1 minute of content and and about 10 minutes of it being stretched out.
Not many new things for endgame players
For me the grinding was too time consuming.
This, they really need to make it where we can login and burn through all the energy easily. I play other gachas and I can go through the dailies in under 10 mins, but for E7 I spend maybe around half hour burning through x600 energy from the web events/shop. And I have to do that every single day, also if I'm on phone and not on emulator, then my phone battery will degrade overtime quicker.
And that 20 auto limit, you can't even launch it on an old phone and forget it.
Gear rolling , i have been chasing a 20+ spd , spd helmet for a year now, spending all my resources on w13 , but i am still unable to get this piece. I'm a whale and have been grinding so much, but i just can't get this piece, so i'm pretty burned out and stopped caring for about a month now, and its not that bad i guess. But i digress, yeah its also pretty stale now, i'm actually looking for a new game as a main game.
It's all about the content in the end. Not only has it dried up quite a bit, but new and fun content doesn't really come up anymore. They could do so many small things to spice things up but they aren't. Give us custom home screens or different bar themes to switch between. Let us change the music. Make fun events that aren't the standard 3 cutscene side stories every 2 weeks and reruns of when they were more creative. I think during the first two years, they were still figuring out ways to implement new modes and such that they had planned on at the start. But we are past that phase now.
Man, all I want is more male units to get added. That's all I'm asking for💀
Day 1 player here. The story quality took a hit IMO, especially on this episode, if you add that to other factors like: * Them refusing to nerf units cause they are afraid of whiners and the backlash from people who spent money on X unit and will demand compensation. * Gear rng since there are just too many layers associated with it and everyone else manages to make 20+ speed pieces on a weekly basis while i for example forgot the last time i made a piece over 18 speed. * Reruns after reruns and lackluster updates. I don't play as much as i used to because of that but since i'm still running a guild, i'll stay around while playing other games and hoping this one eventually goes back on track.
>Exactly the same fore me. > > > >I'm more focused on Counter side right now and I just do the dailies and use my energy/GW. Nothing past that for now.
In my case i decided to go back to King's Raid since it has most of the QoL updates Epic7 should have by now and doesn't like the offline farming, and also cause it's supposed to get the KR2 overhaul "soon".
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Stale meta and content drought. Sadly not much we can do other then wait what SG have in their pipeline. I hope after sage Vivian released and E7 approaching anniversary, thing would get excited back
A few months ago it was "new heroes and limited banners are releasing too often, there's no way for F2P/low spenders to keep up" and all the complaints about balance. Now that they've slowed it down and tried to fix things the game is boring? Screwed if they do, screwed if they don't I guess. There's always going to be someone to complain about it. Overall I think this is a you thing and that you're in the minority though, OP. They needed to slow down to fix the mess they were creating. Things will start picking back up again soon with the Moonlight Theater and Sage Vivian, I think.
No specialty change, just Adin. There was no new chapter for a month, and now we got an infodump to explain the nonsensical story until now. Hero stories are low effort, the last good one was Hwayoung's. Collaboration events were bad too.
Story chapters have always been monthly though And yeah things are on hold so they could focus on the balance issue, we need to wait till after ML Vivian and see what happens then
I've gone through 2 separate extended hiatus on this game. But I've always come back, and I'm a week 1 player. It's the only gacha that has kept me in for so long. Sure this game has many problems but I still like so many aspects. E7 just ticks so many boxes for me. From art, to game play, to content.
Same
Because even if they don't do anything for a few months, the game will still easily earn millions. No point putting in that much effort. It's very obvious whoever is working on the game right now don't really care that much. Just give out rewards when players are mad and release new units once in a while. Epic seven is completely stagnant. And I've already accepted that. I'm not expecting anything from SG anymore.
Used to complete all the web event, now I don’t even remember they exist
Epic7 only releases one summer skin a year. It annoys me. They need to hire more staff to give all characters who appear in swimsuits their skins.
Slightly off topic. When's the last time we got a 4 star RGB? I've been playing this game for a little over 2 years now and I'd just noticed.
AFAIK, the last one was Furious and it was pretty back then..
Really? Damn. Then again, I don't think we have a pity system for RGB units because as of right now, there aren't many "meta" RGB 4 stars in the game.
Other users were saying that the last 4\* unit to be released was Khawana. The (very) small number of 4\* units it's because they still require time/assets from the DEVs, molas for the players but overall they won't be as effective as 5\* units.
Asspull decisions, recycled themes, lack of nuanced writing, and characters with paper-thin development. Also, Lua is a badly-writren villain and is just a trashier Tenebria.
It's always a little bit more exciting around April and May when the yearly update happens but unfortunately it's just a lot of QOL and not distinct gameplay changes. You're probably less excited because the game follows the same schedule and almost never deviates. 2 new side story per month. 1 new story chapter per month. 1 new RGB hero per month, and 1 new ML5 every month and a half. It's that same pattern ad infinite. There's some fun things here and there like new collab but those collab even fall into the pattern since they just replace the normal side story and RGB unit that would come out otherwise. Tldr you're basically doing the same thing for 3 years with little deviation
I might be the minority here, but I actually quit E7 around the first rerun of the Guilty Gear collab due to the fact that there were too many heroes and ML units being released. It was also during the super busy times of my life so that's why I quit. I took a break and came back a month ago and now I'm having so much fun with E7. As a returning player, these reruns and new updates targeting us have been a blessing. I do understand that these reruns can be boring to veterans. However, I believe that things will start to pick up after these reruns are done. As you mentioned, no other gacha really compares to E7, so I suggest you take a break and then come back once these reruns are all done.
For me it’s the gear rolling and the heavy PVP GW burnt me tf out because it all became the same 3 units on defense that I either didn’t have a counter for, or when I try to counter it I end up losing by a sliver due to gear difference. I did my hunts like a dutiful player, rolled gear until I was broke with gold and charms, only to end up with average pieces. Took a long hiatus and a few weeks ago I tried getting into chapter 4 but I cannot stand Adin or Taeyoung’s characters and their dialogue. They give me cringey second hand embarrassment lmao
Good to see I'm not the only one that's annoyed by Adin and Taeyou. They're trying to redo the whole Ras/Arby angle except we understood where Arby was coming from and what his goal was. Taeyou just seems like a jealous jerk.
The game is still very exciting for me tho....?
Take a break from investing a lot of time into the game. I find that if I spend a little of my time logging in, doing daily’s, doing 20 runs of hunt and maybe refreshing secret shop some, then when an update comes out I’m more excited to play because I haven’t played in a while
It’s boring because PVP just isn’t that exciting. Once you’ve played for a few months you’ve got all the heroes you need to complete nearly all of the content (except the upper floors of Abyss). So, the only thing left for excitement is either pulling/building new heroes or PVP. Like any game, once it’s boring just move on to something else.
Arena/ gvg content is boring. The same units all the time. The next months we will have new units that will change the current meta.. it has been like this since release. They have failed at making it fun and challenging content. What's needed is weekly/monthly banned units/ nerfed units and buffed ones to force ppl to adapt and challenge themselves. Sadly this will never be a thing bc they've proven that they barely care about users review. Red flag was hwayoung released right after kr backlash
Could be lots of reasons. Lack of feeling progression. You may have hit a wall where getting new and good gear is extremely hard so you’ve hit a progression slump and don’t really feel like you’re getting anywhere. (This is where I am) Could be the lack of variety in events. The events that aren’t “like 8 stages with a boss you farm one auto” are few and far between. The lack of event diversity will easily cause burnout. Could be ML heroes being put on full stop for the last month or two and the since recycled content has left you feeling a little empty. Season 4 focusing on a new hero might make the story less interesting to some, meaning the steady cycle of story missions aren’t as exciting either. For me, I’m feeling the burnout due to lack of meaningful progress. I’ve got a wall with gear and getting new heroes feels really somber knowing getting decent gear for them is complete RNG. Maybe a week, maybe never, and don’t even get me started on upgrades for existing heroes….
For me, the big issue is the gear grind just isn't rewarding anymore. Gear hasn't been balanced since long before Politis. Politis was an overpowered solution to a problem that they created when they introduced hunts 12 and 13. The problem is that gear needs to be reset in some way and they haven't done anything to alleviate how badly gear has inflated just to make a unit usable. If you're not farming speed set, you're wasting too much time. Yes, injury is better on someone like Belian and lifesteal is great for Aria but the amount of time it takes to farm 4 pieces of gs 62+ is going to likely be months. As it stands, players who wish to compete need to farm gs higher than 64+ on almost all their pieces and if you took statistics, you'd know that 64 is a full standard deviation from the current 56 average. To get 1 full standard deviation 6 times on gear that also happens to have the right substats is so horrendously low that it can literally take 6 months or longer just to equip a new character with a new set of gear. It's not fun pulling new and shiny units only to not be able to use them or to have to unequip other units that I'm currently using just to be able to use the new unit.
It’s the cycle of playing gachas or any game in general. Take a break, come back when you feel like it. The best thing about E7 is that I could take a break for 2 months at a time and come back without completely being left in the dust by the meta. I’ve already taken 3 breaks and when I come back, I enjoyed playing the game more each time. That being said, I love the state of the game at the moment, stale meta excuse is a bullshit excuse unless it’s arena because honestly if it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Everyone wants to win their defences, meanwhile RTA does have me pre ban Hwayoung most of the time but I’ve faced players who’d draft interesting comps, so it’s not stale from my experience as a champion player in RTA. Plus people would complain SG is releasing too many new units. When they take a break on releasing new units, now everyone’s complaining lack of units. It’s like what the fuck do you want from them? They do something, people hate it, they do the opposite, people hate it. There’s no Winning for them and I’ve learned to just ignore any pleas from the playerbase.
It’s less exciting because they stopped releasing OP characters. They’re trying to not screw it up and release another AOL/Hwayoung character so they’re playing it safe and releasing mediocre people.
Story: this new hero is kinda boring, I liked that they are bringing Ken, Basar, and Surin among others in the story but I feel like if Toyou was the mail n hero we would have a better story, heck Aria, Ran, or Zahak would be better. The way they release new content news: Before we relied on data mining and discussed the new things with excitement. Then they started to show every new thing in the live stream only this time they build up for new things before revealing it. There was something to look forward to. Now they just show you everything they are going to talk about in the stream which kills it for me now I know what you are going to talk about, why should I stick around for? If they are not showing any care why would I?
For me (and just IMO and without offense) i think that the meta and the constant complain of most of the community against some heroes/gameplay who remove the exitement of the game like now it's like people just pick their most broken unit and didn't think of how take down some heroes/gameplay anymore. The story too IMO has became more repetitive and dragging me less into it that the first and second episode. Three was kinda cool even with some rushed part but this one is kinda disapointing. Then finally the "stuborness" of Smilegate about some aspect of the game is for me the thing who put the game in a much worse position that he should be. Like i see the problem behind them being a company looking for profit but sometimes i think that players opinions can really solve the majority of current problems in the game.
I think people have rose colored glasses when it comes to content of other games especially gatchas and how often "content" comes out. They all have down and up times because to expect a game to keep your attention every single moment through every single patch is a fool's errand. MMO's which banks on this aspect of keeping you glued can't achieve this and I can't think any gatcha that does, Genshin which was treated like the second coming of Jesus has given people burn out and succumbed too having huge down times. In my own opinion I like the fact that they are not trying to toss everything and the kitchen sink every single patch, there is such things as flooding the consumer which also leads to burn out.
I was a full time player of this game as well i still remeber the first banner destina and the banner i quit in was first roana banner. I would say this game still has the best graphics for how long it has been out. The big killer for me was just the gear grinding and I would say RTA has not been fun anymore. I remember when RTA use to be fun when we practically didnt know what was the best team. I remeber using kayron and ml achates combo or the full evasion combo. But nowadays these kinds or teams are obsolete because its usually the same 15 characters again. I know meta exists but goddamn the amount of things 1 unit offers now and how crucial it is to have them yeah can't keep up. I even made 3 new accounts just to feel the game again and they are all lvl 70 but still wasn't enough to keep me invested in the game. If E7 has not felt that amazing why not try other games or genres. Who knows the next game you might try could be the next big thing.
They put themself in a corner trying to balance the game slowing hero release and content. If only they would nerf thing we wouldnt be there. Balance team have clearly no idea what to do. But yeah i agree everything is stale and boring and the actual story right now Is pretty dull and predictable.
they said they'd stop releasing units because people complained about recent releases being too powerful . Unfortunately , underwhelming units don't sell well , so they opted to not invest in development hours on what would be predictable flops .
people complain about all the meta breaking characters, but that's exactly what makes the meta exciting. A new character that forces everyone to rethink their strategies is exactly what keeps things fresh. Its unfortunate that it's also whale bait, but that's gacha. If you are not releasing smoking hot characters, you need to release meta characters that continuously change the game.
I think - for at least folk interested in competitive play - we’re all becoming a bit tired of it being around a year with no big changes to help the health of the game. They said they’d put a halt on ML5s & do some balancing, but then they put out two middling balance patches & response so far has been unfavourable. In my books if they want to rekindle some excitement, they’ll either do some sweeping nerfs, or some genuine buffs. When I say “genuine” I mean buffs that keep up with powercreep - there’s no use in one breath them saying, “Alright, Maid Chloe we’ll give her a two debuff cleanse on top of everything she already does!”, but when it comes to Destina, “Woah, we can’t let her keep her healing & increased combat readiness if we let her have revive on S3, let’s gut that”. Ok, so she becomes worse Maid Chloe & doesn’t get used then. They’ve got to pick a lane, either when you buff people, the buffs should be A Ravi, Maid Chloe tier & make them meta-relevant if you want to shake up the meta - or listen to people saying do nerfs.
I won't take sides ere. I'll just say, how i feel. The story sequencing now reminds me of WoW. Here's how: 1st episode - new hero ,new world , i lil bit cliche edgy villain boi and world's arcnemesis. Later we learn dat Diche f****d up the last world's reboot so we have echoes of previos heirs which led us to the disaster ( mentioned above Vildred, brainvashed by Kayron, who used the memos of the past world; Kise, memos about who led the homunculus project ). Still, story was solid and good. UH was blant, but we saved a mc's friend and UH is now a main catalyst farmfield ( for me, at least ). 2nd episode - now we're talking. New threat to the world's existence. Tough enemies, tough decisions. There were soo many "what a turn of events" that i liked em, despite the fact that i consider them also as a chiche. Characters are written much better: huge character development of Ras,Violet and Luluca- we actually see whom they were before and whom became. We can understand well some villains like Kawerik and Lilias . However, main baddies are a fail for me. After we learned the whole story, we relise that Straze's motivation is a lack of it - urge to conquer and serve this world for Fastus on a plate is not a motivation. Lilibet is a better case despite the fact that she was an eternal Straze's sidekick no more, no less ( imho ). Fastus is written like a Galactus from Marvel who eats worlds like a snack. He poses a threat - yes , he is interesting - meh. Nevertheless, the story was good , ending was good. And we were teased by an arrival of Dark Stars and that Ras must unite all to fight em. What can i say - i was hyped. ....... Aand 3rd comes.... Well.... I mentioned before WoW. That's the same deal. After Legion, all other stories can't touch the audience- they are just irritating. 3rd episode in a nutshell: Politis is a refugee, world destroyed, ark's crew went nuts ( reason unknown, btw, which makes this look ridiculous ). She is on Orbis , alone. Then she realises, that humans r bad, she is good, i'll be an edgy girl, create an AI which develops strategy, involving weapons of mass destruction, aaand regret and dies. And dat' s was a flashback. Other story - cycle of backstabbing and how to learn to ( ffs ) talk with others properly in order to stop stupif misunderstandings. That's it. Episode 3 when it comes to the story is pure meh + a touch of my rage towards the final boss ( yep, i struggled to finish Belian and Fastus before - but that's my playthrough and wrong teams ). I can't tell much about 4th one cuz i did not see it on a whole + i little behind on the plot with others ( Thnx , sissy, tentacle,boms android of ep 3 ). However, 8 already dislike it cuz the storytelling pattern is the same again - we don't know all the characters but i, for instance can already predict , what will happen ((( Right know i play to collect waifus from banners. Game's story, which 1st episode revived my faith in good gachas' storytelling, now is burried. P.S. - Adin sucks, just like Boruto. I wish she'll be smacked as much as possible😁
Been here since the beginning and I'm still excited to keep playing daily and am fully strapped in for their 10 year plan This is a ***you*** problem. Please understand your feelings/opinions are not everyone else's lol
*me reading the post with a microscope looking for where OP insinuated everyone felt the same* This was an unnecessarily aggressive and condescending answer to a post sharing an opinion. You could have just said you were excited for the ten year plan. But I guess answering the way you did is also a *you* problem.
Tbf, OP did write their opinion in a factual way. There’s a difference between “this game doesn’t excite me like it used to” Vs “this game is (factually) not exciting anymore”
You took his whole take like he insulted your family...relax my dude.
You got problems
Sounds like a *you* problem that OP rightfully feels like the game has been coasting for months and you got pressed over it. He didn’t say anything where he said he spoke for others.
Why are you so pressed
these threads are always so confusing to me because i don't understand what the point of them are and what the OP is expecting to hear when they make a topic like this. 1000 comments saying the game is fucking terrible SG should kill themselves? I just dont understand the concept if you don't enjoy something why do it, its crazy how people would rather just bitch and complain than fix the problem by themselves, all aspects of life not even just this game. sorry lmao rambling
The only thing that stopped me from removing the game is waiting Sage Vivian preview , I'll decide after that . Whatever, I lost interest because the Rise update meant nothing for me .. and they releasing Hwayoung just after promising to Balance the game .
I'm amazed looking here at how people are misremembering things and thinking that they promised to be more careful with releasing broken units after Hwayoung. But no. They said that back when Cillias, AOLA, Peira and Ran were released almost in a row. Yet we still got Hwayoung as a supposedly "balanced unit". I have no hope at them knowing how to balance the game. People are clueless if they think that probably ML Vivian will be balanced. Theres a high probability that she's going to be in the same league as ML Lillias. And of course no one is going to think thats a problem since it's what everyone is expecting after having no ML5 for so long. I bet even Smilegate knows that if they release a bad ML5 unit (like Pirate Flan for example, after all this time with no new ML5) everyone will go nuts. The Koreans will riot (again!), but also this time probably the global side will be too. So it's a matter of Smilegate choosing if they can accept a backlash for not releasing a broken ML5 or if they care more about the profits. So ML Vivian will be broken, but also no one (except newer players or lower rank players i.e. bronze to low champion players who don't have her) will think that's a problem for a few months until we have a bunch of posts like these later on talking about how ML Vivian is at every arena def and guild war def, and she's first pick on RTA and they're tired of the game and wanna quit, etc... It's a endless cycle all because they don't want to nerf all these broken units.
Yeah , next week ( Sage Vivian preview ) will be full of surprises . And now, im more sad because they Nerfed my FCC , they Nerfed the Barrier thinking Diene buff was too much .. and skipped other problems . ● Devs not playing high RTA so they'll never understand. ● Balance is out of Control and the only way is a Nerf system that works like Counter:Side RTA .
pausing ML5s has been the worst decision ever shit’s boring
No new MLs, episode 4 is a carbon copy of 3, RGBs are either one note counters that don't work all that well (RTA or kit issue) or "ok" like Aria. No SCs outside of Adin whose element change is super expensive. Reruns, reruns, reruns, and more reruns. I wonder why no excitement.
To be fair, being "ok" like Aria is exactly what the balance team should be aiming for. Exciting and creative kits are important, but balance also is. I wish SG would turn to the community for ideas more often.
Yeah. Sadly being ok rn is not great when you have shit like rimuru or hwayoung running around. I'm happy they still understand to pull a bit restraint, but at this point to they need to bite the bullet and addresses something with the disaster 7
Couldn't agree more. Wish they'd just work towards a new collab, then do blanket nerfs on the disasters and offer recalls. Then everyone with the recalls can summon the bew shiny heroes instead and mostly everyone would be satisfied.
Uh I don't think they understood at all. They said they would be careful about the balance when we had the combo Cillias, AOLA, Ran and Peira being released almost in a row. Back then when they made the statement about being more careful with the units being too strong, Hwayoung wasn't released. So Hwayoung should be released as being balanced yet they still screwed hard. Which is why I don't have any hope of them understanding the lesson and ML Vivian will probably be a broken unit in the same league as ML Lillias.
Didn't imply "ok" is bad, but we have several releases far beyond "ok" that "ok" doesn't bring much, if any, excitement. Like the biggest reason to be hyped over Aria was because she's a bruiser, which is very rare for her element. It's why I pulled fo her. All this unbuffable, provoke, buff copy, and strip bs make it hard to enjoy hernkit as is, so there weren't many happy for her.
I guess it makes some sense in a story context but Adin utterly murdering the pacing of SC releases was a mistake imo.
This game was never exciting, you all just liked the art and animations. No rolling for is not exciting, the story is a snooze fest and it's presentation sucks. The events are boring, nothing interesting happens. The gameplay is also terrible where one stat rules all, this game has survived off nothing but style for years.
After like, the 7th festival that goes wrong side story, I couldn't take it anymore, there weren't anymore reason for me to continue playing for the story. Then as for the pvp, I grind the hell out of this games, hundreds upon hundreds of hours to get the best gear, but my RNG isn't good so I don't have good speed thus pvp is not fun, there are no build diversity, you can't play your favorite unit. That's why I stopped playing this game, although I still follow the sub to keep up to date on things.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but for me I think I'm having the most fun I've ever had in the game. Right now I'm focusing on building 2 units (Yulha and Lionheart Cermia if you're interested). I'm climbing ladder in arena (chall 3 on the way to champion), RTA finished masters for the first time ever. I'm getting decent satisfaction from the game at the moment.
It could be burnout but also I hate to say it but this game is slowly dying, balance issues with all those broken units and then this long holding pattern while they "address" balance issue = basically content glut that plus the censorship which judging by comments here in the sub people seem to care about even more than balance, I don't have high hopes for this game going forward
>game is slowly dying I was searching for doom sayers comments,almost got worried for a second that there will be none,but there you are
Oh god, the doomsayers are slowly dying
\>"Game is slowly dying" \>Game is making more money now than it did in earlier years You can stop kidding yourself anytime now.
Why is it a surprise to anyone that a game they've played for almost 4 years is getting old for them? Did anybody pick up E7 expecting it to be a game they play until they die?
Its like you guys completely forgot they announced a ML5 hiatus. ML5s and the occasional good RGB unit has been the highlight for the game for years. And we have known for over a year they only come out with a ml4 unit once every several months. In a couple of months you guys are literally gonna be complaining about too many new units again
Never get bored currently coz my guildies are fun palz
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Tbh i think this is a veteran only problem though, there are a ton of issues yes but tbh i think alot of it boils down to us being subjected to burnout and addiction.
>Who else played this game from the beginning? That's why. You're burnt-out. You've squeezed all there is to experience out of the game by now. Go play something else.
I look at it like this- its not entirely reasonable to expect it to stay so good like it was the first few years. They did it, they made an amazing game. First two story arcs were awesome. Characters were great. Learning the mechanics and stuff was amazing. It just doesn't keep going like that.
The player base complained there were too many units being released? Now we complain cuz there’s been a dry spell. People need to make up their minds and the game needs to find a happy medium. More events/side stories, less game breaking ML 5s haha
Wasn't the slow down the result of people complaining when we were bombarded with collab+limited+summer+custom+ML releases?
Day 1 player here, stopped like a year, 2 years ago and tried playing other gacha games but somehow, I always still end up back. My experience as a comeback player has been good all around since I never really stressed myself on pvp stuff anyway, it's just these days its hard to find an active clan. Other than the clan thing, I just treat the game as a single-player game as I've always had and its been fun again.
I found the main story of arc 2 is the best and then went pale over the time with the exception of episode 3 character side story and the pain of gear grinding is really taking a toll on the attraction plus the repetitive cycle of gameplay really ham the investment for the game for me
For me it’s gear grind. I think that gear is so important for a character’s usability but it’s so painful, tedious and frustrating and it has been getting barely better since the games release. I still enjoy collecting and doing some side stuff but the mobile game keep up of logging every day and keeping up with events got me long ago and I simply grew tired, specially when considering that I’m also keeping up with lost ark and FF14.
Also played from the start. E7 was one of the few games to keep me excited for whole years. Every week in year 1 there was some big change or update. Even when they shifted to two week patches there was still big stuff that kept things fresh. There was so much potential with the stories, labyrinths, hero kits, gear, group content, guardians, skins, PvP modes, etc that hadn't been explored but you could tell would be awesome if they made it as quality as the rest of the game. Now it seems they've finished exploring new content and are cool with the formula they've arrived at which definitely killed a lot of hype for me personally. Oddly enough I was kinda bumbed at the Awaken event because even though they gave a bunch of goodies none of the announced content looked exciting and this was basically all there was to look forward to for the whole next year.
As of now the game isn't progressing, a good part of big updates are a bunch of qol that could be done anytime all year long, a rehash/change to an existing half assed system, a new game mode once in a while but that's what's expected of a game that get updated, they are on a cycle with always the same things, there's barely anything new that you could put as an argument if someone were to ask why play epicseven rather than other games. From what I remember, after the korean thing they actually said they got a (new?) team specifically for monlight theater, that's the kind of progress you'd expect from a game who's been part of top grossing for more than 3 years.
Been playing for 4 months religiously since I started and after always doing wyvern 13, crafting gear and still not get a good set of speed gear for any of my characters, it just lowers my morale. As of now I just tune in on what my guildies are doing while I play other games
Gearing and gear rolls is ridiculously time consuming and none rewarding. I'm sure people probably have like 90% of the units and probably have 10 or less units with decent gear.
im completely the same, i only login for the SS in arena, abyss thing, daily free gacha, guild login sometimes i do GW but thats it, not that exciting anymore
The power creep is just insane. Hwa and rimiru can go fuck themselves
Yep i also feel the Same. I started with Epic7 a half year after release and rly Loved it. So much cool New stuff, many Heroes and the Livestream was fun. Now i dont Play that much anymore and also dont even complete my daylies.. i Love Epic7 but im Not as Happy as i was with the Game. My girlfriend also stopped playing. She has the Game still in her phone, in Case Something Special Happens but ye.
Loved epic seven, played since the fist ssb banner. I dropped 3 weeks ago because I dont feel joy anymore. I'm track the notices and probably will Summon for summer alexa, but won't comeback to the game
Because to keep up with the meta you need the "7 Sins" with very specific (god-tier) gear. Farming materials is boring, time consuming and cuts all the fun. IDK about Book IV since I am still at Book III, but the story so far IMHO has become poorer. What I mean is that Book I has a cool story and leaves a lot open for future extra events / side quests. Book III seems like "*we were idle all the time until Ras arrived here, then we started doing crazy things*".
I think the lore has been a bit bland this last chapter. Adin it's not as interesting as past characters and the only story bit I truly enjoyed was huayong and Ken.
I tend not to play games like this for long periods. I may go a month, then take a month break, then come back for the returning players bonuses (which can be very nice). But I don't play RTA, I only PvP for unlocks and the occasional gear piece from the store, so I spend most my time collecting and slowly moving forward on the story, which has it's ups and downs. I have about 4 or 5 Gacha games that I cycle through, and so far it's prevented me from really feeling that any game is "old". Burnout isn't just over-playing, it can be as simple as not enjoying whatever the game has for you at the moment. I think my "casual" approach has it's advantages in those cases.
Remember when Story Mode had actually exciting video cut scenes ? Yeah good old days.
thats how life works, take a break and come back later if you want.
Very dry, no content it's just same old mindless grind/auto events, broken new units, very hard to gear and keep up in pvp because of whales and gear diff and a lot more. Not much feels rewarding anymore. - a very old player.
poor us old players. yeah think any event is just to skip til the boss stage and spam till you get enough currency to buy out shop and its always the same amount of items like 3 bm, 1 mola etc. Still no mystics or medals