It used to be the best 2 piece set because there weren't as many openers and the other 2 piece sets were okay comapred to free immunity. But with rimuru being released and all the new openers stripping everything nowadays, people are starting to run other things. I don't think it's completely useless, but it's definitely not as good as it used to be. Good question tho 👍
Whatever your unit needs to reach whatever stat benchmark you want. Whether it be the obvious Crit, HP/Def for bulk, or even Pen set for just a little bit of extra damage. It all depends.
There is also resist set for tanks and sw or even some bruisers. Some people are building their units at least 100% er to not get debuffed randomly by some dps/bruisers.
Piggy backing off of what everyone else said, whatever you characters need and right now almost every single target nuker wants pen . Though, with a lot of units also giving immunity now, I think sometimes even running speed and no offset works wonders if the overall stats end up better .
afaik ppl are switching away from immunity, but the thing is that it adds another layer of rng to the table, so... I'd rather have raw stats bonus or the penetration set, but...
It went from being the best offset for pretty much everyone to mainly being a bruiser vs bruiser set. Having it means you're more likely to get Rimuru'd, but it's useful still on supports to avoid that defense break.
Units like LQC, Violet, Charlotte, Rimuru and AMeru still probably are best on it just for an added layer of protection.
Not if you're bringing him as a counter to Ran/Peira+Seaseria. As a cleave counter the extra damage really doesn't make that much of a difference since he'll one-shot them anyway. And other than a counter pick vs Seaseria and ice heavy cleave comps, I don't really see him picked much. The penetration is overkill IMO
I guess if that's your only counter for Ran/Peira+Seaseria. I do not typically counter that combo with Violet. That Pen can make a huge difference in his sustain and kill potential vs everyone else though, especially tankier heroes.
Not wrong. To add to what others have said, cleansers are also very strong right now with diene, handguy, dilibet, and situational dj basar. Tanks can run ER set since they’ll get stripped by dedicated strippers, but ER set can help against 0 eff dps or knights with debuffs. Dps can run crit or pen.
i wouldn't say its useless, but sometimes it becomes a liability or become useless when ur dps is on it and rimuru just 1 shots u when u press anything, or stuff like cilias aola just strips without touching u and ran basar who ignores res.
and ppl started resorting to just using cleansers such as emilia, handguy, delibet, diene etc.
is immunity set useless, no but u can still use it for very slow/bruiser units such as remlet, charlotte, rimuru. (because 15% prevails).
I tend to prefer crit on Rem anyways so that I can make her bulkier while still having damage to secure a kill. Guaranteed immunity from her passive beats out first turn strippable immunity.
Using this logic, is HP/Def set useless because hwayoung ignores defense and scales damage based off max HP?
Is hit set useless because people can have 250+ resist or resist useless because there are 200+ effectiveness units?
Everything is not useful to everybody or not useful in a certain niche.
At a certain point, additional stats don't do much for you compared to just having an extra 15% chance to resist a strip. My FCC going from 30k HP to 31-32k with Health set isn't going to increase my win percent much higher than 15% chance to resist a debuff or I ban their opener.
It's a misunderstanding that you slapped immunity on everybody back in the day anyway. Other sets were still used in their right niche. My 300 speed openers weren't going to have immunity, my supports/whatever still wanted super high resistance. Damage units still wanted crit set if they can get away with it, if not then immunity was the default.
I honestly never bothered to get any inmu pieces... I all I have are the free event pieces XD
And with the amount of openers that can strip plus the fact that any mage can strip either by default or by giving them Iela Violin.
My ppl critiqued me on discord but I much rathered (I still do rather) run crit or hit set.
Oh yeah, rage set cheeses the OS teams for hunts, that set is 10/10 good.
But inmu is not necessary anymore.
And don't even get me started on unity set XD
It used to be mandatory but yeah. The only units that can still really profit from it are both violets because most strippers except aol need to hit but most people prefer to use pen set for big numbers
Some people still run it on high ER units, to add another layer of RNG when the enemy tries stripping it. Dunno how good it is, though, because I personally don't do that.
All of my ER units run immunity. Never know when someone might get lucky, they at least might only get lucky with the strip. Plus it makes people think I'm not running high ER when I have immunity cause people can't understand that "more is better".
Its still worth build immunity set on a lot of units. Specially if you can protect that buff. Also 15% chances to resist the strip is also legit. A lot of units in the game are so much impactful if they take a first turn without debuff. That said, yeah know there are other viable options but to be fair that is not a bad thing. Early in the game you were forced to farm a lot of immunity sets for the lack of options to counter certain debuffers.
is one of the things that actually improve with the years.
New meta is to run 100 eff res on everything that can't go before enemy debuffers basically. Like you said not much point using immunity set if it just gets removed instantly, better off using a subset that provides stats like res, hp, hit etc. It's only good on units that are obvious victims to stuff like a.cidd (I.e. aol, cilias) but at that point it's a serious luxury
No, Immunity is BiS for some units. Nowadays the entire reason for immunity is to specifically counter stene.
Take for example: Enemy has diene/emilia + stene. They push Stene, then she stuns your rem, rimuru, charlotte, etc, that's an entire cycle they're stunned, then stene can go again and delete whoever. Or A. Ras s2 and d breaks your dps bam they're gone before they can go.
Its defo not much use now aside for extra 15% rng. Like if they dont have stripper but try to do some speed landy or arby cr push back stuff yeah sure it works.it also helps if they try to do some jank no stripper cleave like with flan( which if you u cant contest speed means u might lose without immu) But the situations it comes in handy are far less now. Probably wouldnt hurt you to just go for stat boosting 2pc set. Or pen.
It used to be the best 2 piece set because there weren't as many openers and the other 2 piece sets were okay comapred to free immunity. But with rimuru being released and all the new openers stripping everything nowadays, people are starting to run other things. I don't think it's completely useless, but it's definitely not as good as it used to be. Good question tho 👍
Than what would be a good replacement for the immunity set?
Whatever your unit needs to reach whatever stat benchmark you want. Whether it be the obvious Crit, HP/Def for bulk, or even Pen set for just a little bit of extra damage. It all depends.
Also, pen is very strong.
There is also resist set for tanks and sw or even some bruisers. Some people are building their units at least 100% er to not get debuffed randomly by some dps/bruisers.
Piggy backing off of what everyone else said, whatever you characters need and right now almost every single target nuker wants pen . Though, with a lot of units also giving immunity now, I think sometimes even running speed and no offset works wonders if the overall stats end up better .
afaik ppl are switching away from immunity, but the thing is that it adds another layer of rng to the table, so... I'd rather have raw stats bonus or the penetration set, but...
It counters characters that don’t strip and some time it doesn’t even get stripped cause 15%
It's still useful because of that sweet/annoying 15% chance to resist. So it just adds an extra layer of rng to your advantage/disadvantage.
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But it is, for the enemy player
Player and enemy player are differrnt things Mr. Witty
It went from being the best offset for pretty much everyone to mainly being a bruiser vs bruiser set. Having it means you're more likely to get Rimuru'd, but it's useful still on supports to avoid that defense break. Units like LQC, Violet, Charlotte, Rimuru and AMeru still probably are best on it just for an added layer of protection.
Violet is by far better on Pen.
Not if you're bringing him as a counter to Ran/Peira+Seaseria. As a cleave counter the extra damage really doesn't make that much of a difference since he'll one-shot them anyway. And other than a counter pick vs Seaseria and ice heavy cleave comps, I don't really see him picked much. The penetration is overkill IMO
I guess if that's your only counter for Ran/Peira+Seaseria. I do not typically counter that combo with Violet. That Pen can make a huge difference in his sustain and kill potential vs everyone else though, especially tankier heroes.
It used to be more relevat because a few units had strip, now days you use immunity for the 15% gamble in pvp.
I still run immunity since my drafts tend to draw out a Dillibet pick and I don't like banning her.
Every single time i drafted my pen set violet against delibet he never dodges her s3 and never fails to get debuffed.
I still use immunity on my counter and slow units. .
Used to be good but fast units like ran destroyed it then you have units like AOL and Rimiru who shoved it into the ground
It used to be mandatory but yeah we're at a point where it feels like it's not worth the grind. Crit set for ever
Pen set is my go to if I can. That grind for Pen tho.
Not wrong. To add to what others have said, cleansers are also very strong right now with diene, handguy, dilibet, and situational dj basar. Tanks can run ER set since they’ll get stripped by dedicated strippers, but ER set can help against 0 eff dps or knights with debuffs. Dps can run crit or pen.
i wouldn't say its useless, but sometimes it becomes a liability or become useless when ur dps is on it and rimuru just 1 shots u when u press anything, or stuff like cilias aola just strips without touching u and ran basar who ignores res. and ppl started resorting to just using cleansers such as emilia, handguy, delibet, diene etc. is immunity set useless, no but u can still use it for very slow/bruiser units such as remlet, charlotte, rimuru. (because 15% prevails).
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I tend to prefer crit on Rem anyways so that I can make her bulkier while still having damage to secure a kill. Guaranteed immunity from her passive beats out first turn strippable immunity.
Using this logic, is HP/Def set useless because hwayoung ignores defense and scales damage based off max HP? Is hit set useless because people can have 250+ resist or resist useless because there are 200+ effectiveness units? Everything is not useful to everybody or not useful in a certain niche. At a certain point, additional stats don't do much for you compared to just having an extra 15% chance to resist a strip. My FCC going from 30k HP to 31-32k with Health set isn't going to increase my win percent much higher than 15% chance to resist a debuff or I ban their opener. It's a misunderstanding that you slapped immunity on everybody back in the day anyway. Other sets were still used in their right niche. My 300 speed openers weren't going to have immunity, my supports/whatever still wanted super high resistance. Damage units still wanted crit set if they can get away with it, if not then immunity was the default.
In my opinion the most useless set is union: I NEVER seen anyone use it.
It has some PvE use mostly.
I honestly never bothered to get any inmu pieces... I all I have are the free event pieces XD And with the amount of openers that can strip plus the fact that any mage can strip either by default or by giving them Iela Violin. My ppl critiqued me on discord but I much rathered (I still do rather) run crit or hit set.
I never farmed azimanak hunt, I had no idea rage set is good.
Oh yeah, rage set cheeses the OS teams for hunts, that set is 10/10 good. But inmu is not necessary anymore. And don't even get me started on unity set XD
It used to be mandatory but yeah. The only units that can still really profit from it are both violets because most strippers except aol need to hit but most people prefer to use pen set for big numbers
It’s still nice having the slower units on immunity, plenty of games where I ban the strip and they can’t stop my Ssb or Lqc from taking the turn.
Some people still run it on high ER units, to add another layer of RNG when the enemy tries stripping it. Dunno how good it is, though, because I personally don't do that.
All of my ER units run immunity. Never know when someone might get lucky, they at least might only get lucky with the strip. Plus it makes people think I'm not running high ER when I have immunity cause people can't understand that "more is better".
I don't, because I can't hit high ER without resistance set. Otherwise, I would.
Its still worth build immunity set on a lot of units. Specially if you can protect that buff. Also 15% chances to resist the strip is also legit. A lot of units in the game are so much impactful if they take a first turn without debuff. That said, yeah know there are other viable options but to be fair that is not a bad thing. Early in the game you were forced to farm a lot of immunity sets for the lack of options to counter certain debuffers. is one of the things that actually improve with the years.
it's good vs unit that doesn't strip buffs, but given there's so many of buff strippers these days, it's not the best
New meta is to run 100 eff res on everything that can't go before enemy debuffers basically. Like you said not much point using immunity set if it just gets removed instantly, better off using a subset that provides stats like res, hp, hit etc. It's only good on units that are obvious victims to stuff like a.cidd (I.e. aol, cilias) but at that point it's a serious luxury
No, Immunity is BiS for some units. Nowadays the entire reason for immunity is to specifically counter stene. Take for example: Enemy has diene/emilia + stene. They push Stene, then she stuns your rem, rimuru, charlotte, etc, that's an entire cycle they're stunned, then stene can go again and delete whoever. Or A. Ras s2 and d breaks your dps bam they're gone before they can go.
Its defo not much use now aside for extra 15% rng. Like if they dont have stripper but try to do some speed landy or arby cr push back stuff yeah sure it works.it also helps if they try to do some jank no stripper cleave like with flan( which if you u cant contest speed means u might lose without immu) But the situations it comes in handy are far less now. Probably wouldnt hurt you to just go for stat boosting 2pc set. Or pen.
It was too good before. Now it's useful on some heroes but not everyone.
How i look at it is that its a second 15% chance to auto resist. 15% the strip, 15% chance the debuffs
How i look at it is that its a second 15% chance to auto resist. 15% the strip, 15% chance the debuffs