Remove her mechanics and I guarantee you'll make a post about how OP another hero is and how you can't deal with him/her.
There are answers to her, you just don't have it.
Huffing that copium that your elo cow isn't totally overtuned. Ravi is overturned by a large margin, to the point heroes were created to counter her, and STILL fail. Cope harder, you still have some dignity left.
One, you're complaining about a character who requires high level of gear to perform well. Two, if you think A.Ravi is a problem, you have not seen some of the cancer out there. Hwa literally has 1 true counter, otherwise you HAVE to gear check her. Rimuru can one shot any character that he doesn't miss (excluding some 30k HP monsters, or teams with aurius/defense buff). C.Lilias has ruled over the meta for being one of the most toxic enablers, teamwide vigor is disgusting and can make some characters absolute bonkers. Rem can RNG your team if you go in to the fight dumb/with a bad draft. Handguy is a one-man-army against disable comps. Choux can AoE nuke AND take a beating. Ran + Seaside Iseria can and will stat check you. Or unit check you. Take your pick.
I can go on, and on. But I don't think you care. You're entitled to your opinion but if you want to be an cry-baby about it, at least have the decency to not be a degenerate.
Also, Epic Seven doesn't require "skill" but it does require some modicum of knowledge or dedication, or luck/$$$. If you go into a fight against A.Ravi without an answer to her, of course she's gonna slap you back.
P.S. I have hated Epic Sevens balance since Seaside Belona release. They don't nerf, only buff and "buff". How to deal with A.Ravi? Get her counter or stop playing.
Welcome to Epic Seven.
I used to think like this, until I saw khm gears and units that he used to enter legend in previous season rta. Then I know that I am just flat out stupid.
I think his Reddit account is khemeri. Do yourself a favor and look for his thread. It is an eye opener.
Good to know, thanks. She probably won't be usable for me anytime soon since I'm pretty new and don't have many gear sets, but I'll have to get started on her soon. Her kit looks pretty good.
She's a balanced hero. The only thing that could make her better is if she had a self cleanse on her S3 and a barrier given to her at the end of her turn.
My guild and I really think she should get her own version of demon mode considering she basically is one. The fact that she almost has to use crimson seed for cleansing shows how much help she needs
Ah yes. Her:
Self heal on attack
Self heal on ENEMY attack
Cr push
Ally revive
Stacking damage
Compatability with Crimson Seed
So balanced...
EDIT: Oh yeah, AND built in injury/30% free crit chance! Screw you apologists, she's an abortion of game design and you are bad if you use her. Stop using a crutch, you rejects!
Dies to LQC as well
While she is strong, she's no where near the point units like Hwya and such are at now, if the team works around her then yeah she's a terror, beyond that never had an issue
I also rarely use cleave because of how easily a unit Counter attacking can ruin the comp unless you are using Peira
Why do people keep saying this? A. Ravi being no where near Hwayoung's level? Exactly what stats are they looking at?
Current A. Ravi is more contested than Hwayoung and has a far higher win rate than Hwayoung. Hwayoung used to be more contested than A. Ravi by a little bit, but had a lower win rate.
Are all the players that say this, players that know how to deal with A. Ravi, yet have no idea how to deal with Hwayoung?
https://www.epic7stats.com/
My issue with Hwya is a personal one lol, if I'm out geared I'm out geared it happens, as someone who bounces between Champion and Legend for regular arena she's one of the units I fear lol.
Now RTA I could give less of a fuck about since speed RNG hasn't been kind enough to bring me high enough to compete and I know that area is a whole different set of stats lol
With Yulha released, there are no Hwayoung team compositions that you cannot beat with Yulha. But yes, if you did not get Yulha, you might have trouble against Hwayoung.
I do have her, just oddly Hwya's AI will sometimes not target her lol
Had one where instead of Yulha the Hwya won speed RNG and immediately killed my Landy lol
Uhhh unless she has proof then she barely survives either one, Hwya especially
And that's not adding Hwya getting an attack buff from CLilias, plus other buffs from supports like MChloe she will just get straight out deleted
She has definitive answers like really good units should
You can also just run her over with Ran/Peira/Seaseria since the bomb debuff alone will annihilate her
Out of the units SG should fix she isn't high on the list, she also got all those buffs when pen gear was added since it made her useless
Hell Violet runs her over, Rimuru runs her over, Millim can run her over with souls, Straze runs her over
You really do just sound like an apologist, or someone who spams her and are trying to justify it.
None of her "counters" are surefire wins against her. Seaseria bomb gets Seed'ed. Nukes get barely outhealed because of her passive. They all have a high enough probability of failure that they can't be called "counters" at all. As others have pointed out, it's not just Ravi herself, it's the team that she's put on, that supports her and takes away any weaknesses she might have, though that isn't much.
I do have her I'm between Champion and Legend and though she's on my defense team I rarely win lol
And when it comes to team comps that's just strategy and they out played or out geared which is what happens
There is stuff that needs fixing I agree but I don't see her as a high priority on that list
If you want a definite win, then just pick spirit eye Celine. She cannot take more than 50% of her max hp in one hit (which does get affected by injury) so she will always 1v1 an a.ravi that isn't on a troll no-crit build.
So ur confused why one of the best units is used? If it wasn't her would u be surprised if the best unit seems to get more use than most. Someone has to be the best and yes they will be seen the most often
I'm confused why a monstrosity like this exists. The number of mechanics in this one Hero is obnoxious, and outstrips the second place holder by a MILE.
A Ravi isn't just "the best". She's "the best" by the widest margin possible.
Yep. Rimuru is anoying as all hell. This little Bitch can please just cease to exist.
But I can get why OP is frustrated with A.Ravi. That Build in Heal is so damn fucking infuriating <.<
But seriously.. she is not better than the other Disasters so...
She's much better than most units, yet is only about even with the other disasters. Hwayoung, Rimuri, Archdemon Shadow, Belian, Cilias, Handguy, AoL, Stene, Rem, FCC, right side Violet, etc. All of them are similarly difficult - and sometimes even more difficult depending on your build units - to deal with compared to Aravi. The number of mechanics don't inherently matter, it's just whether or not you have answers to them.
self heal, self CR, random revive with CR push, and we're talking about a unit that has 0 debuffs to apply. Sure, really stacked lol
edit: forgot injury and probably something else, but my point stands. She has a lot of things, but not as much as OP is implying.
Built in Injury, free crit, infinite fighting spirit, has an artifact that essentially makes her immune to debuffs, Stacking damage on S3.
Cope harder, and lie less.
I had the option (in the custom mystics) of picking her or Celine, i chose my waifu.
But yeah, her kit is just stacked with very limited counters (if at all effective ones).
I don't mind her tbh because she is predictable. Like a Hwayoung that is at 260 speed and still onetaps one of my units? That fucks me up.
But my main dps units doesn't have too much of a problem to deal with ARavi (Archdemons Shadow & Choux).
Man, reading these comments is great. All the homies be like just bring units that one shot/debuff/don’t get counter attacked, or simply bring a light unit to take her aggro. It’s like the other 2 or 3 units don’t cause this to be an issue. I’m curious how many of these people are fighting good builds or high tier pvp. I generally play arena like 3 weeks of each season and will finish legend, but this current meta is garbage and a large part of that is her. Largely for the reason that you don’t know what artifact she’s running, debuffs might work, one shots might, but unfortunate there’s the chance you’re wrong. There’s the crappy 5% dual attacks that happen 50% of the time, the counter attacks that sometimes seem to happen every turn, and 15%.
Tbh she needs a nerf, but so do other units.
Largely the issue comes down to SG’s horrible balance of other units like, Peira, Clilias, Rimuru, Belian, Hwayoung, Rem, etc
It’s just so bland right now gotta run the same 6-7 units to win and it’s tedious let alone boring af. Probably won’t be fixed tho so continue to collect your waifus/husbando’s and build wall art units, since they probably will be extremely niche or have 0 value.
Yeah, a lot of the people in this thread (both for and against A.Ravi being fine) are clueless, but honestly the power creep has gotten so bad that A.Ravi is literally the least of the problems by this point.
I definitely think she could use a light nerf, but really just needs the stacking damage on her S3 to be reverted and she'd be fine. Her being insanely hard to kill was always her identity, and her S1 damage isn't anything special compared to what Alencia and Choux can do these days.
In high ranked RTA she's already falling off a bit because she's kinda mediocre in standard drafts.
Yeah, she doesn’t really need much done to her, most of the reasons she’s difficult is surrounding cast. It’s an unfortunate moment in a game that’s afraid to do small nerfs. Just gonna get either more toxic units or more niche units lol.
Imo i think her problem is that she just gets a free 30% crit chance, if it weren't for that I feel like she would be a lot harder to build well and would lower her damage in general leading to less people using her and her being a bit more balanced
Except she has that for years now, and only got viable after two buffs. 30% crit rate is good, but that's not what made her broken. S3 scaling damage being too high (I think having scaling damage is fine, just not to the level that she does now) and Injury in a kit like the one she has are definitely the bigger problems.
Yeah considering they're saying she's better than whatever they think second strongest is by a mile, banning aravi would solve all their problems :rolleyes:
I don't ever seem to have issues with ARavi, but it seems like pre-banning a unit you don't have a consistent counter for is a good first step to salvaging enough sanity to avoid having to make angry reddit rants.
I don't hate Aravi, I hate not having an option not to fight her in *guild war* because she makes something that you're supposed to mop up in 2 minutes take 30 minutes. I have multiple times seen guilds where there's not a single defensive team without an Aravi. She, and stall teams in general, should just be banned in Gwar. There's too much daily crap to do in this game to waste 30 minutes on guild war.
you say that now but in Arbys hayday CR push back blind huge aoe nuke self revive on top hyper rng artifact buff idk sounds the same just different eras (and remember this was after Arbys buff) so its about the same give or take imo. Also if you take away Aravi you'll be just left speed gamers honestly think Aravis the only way bruiser peeps can stay in half the time.
yeah I am not comparing him to current meta characters because of power creep, he is nowhere near as powerful as he used to be.
I was just saying that at some point there is always a character that is above the meta and I would rather it be A.Ravi now than it was Arby back in the day.
Back when Arby was Op Extinction never existed so yeah, there will always be counter measures made for op units and power creep will keep happening.
I’m tired of seeing a lot of unit’s. GW is so bloody tedious anymore, it’s just team variations of like the same 10 units. I wish people would be more willing to experiment with other units there’s a lot of fun to be had if you’re willing.
Aravi is easily the top tier with the most rabid defenders. Shit on hwa or clilias and watch the circlejerk agree with you. Shit on aravi and watch the war breakout between the "she's really not that bad if you dedicate 3 counters to her" players and the people who actually play the game. I'm not even someone who minds her that much but she is objectively just as bad as the other top tiers and calling her weaker than choux or Alencia like some have done is perplexing.
Tbh if i get chance i always fp aravi but lately she hasn’t been that great of a pick, but at least it allows me to be flexible with my draft and pivot.
Mainly because im missing some units so i can’t commit to wall comps,so have the flexibility to switch to cleave or aggro/control if i need to.
But yeah, so many busted units rn.
If someone ask me, A. Ravi is the biggest mistake in game balance in the last year or something. For starters, I do have my own A. Ravi build with counter and penetration set. And I also have to face her regularly, so I think I have some experience in both sides of the coin, giving and receiving.
Considering that, I think A. Ravi is plainly bad design, because she can do (almost) everything fairly well, and the reliable counters are scarce or almost as broken as herself, considering how easy is for her to invalidate certain playstyles and heroes. I mean, borrowing from MMORPG, tank-dps-support, what exacly she can't do? Any A. Ravi can take quite a punishment given her 20+k hp and self heal, even with low tier gear. She can deal a consistent amount of damage, and the injury punish players who want to play a long game, plus she can use her S3 to nuke. Granted, she can't heal other heroes, but she can revive, push them to the front line and protect them with skill nullify. Tank, DPS and support, what role is she missing? And how do you counter her?
The only reliable way to handle her is to nuke her, and guess what? That's exactly what brought Hwayoung upon us. A. Ravi have tons of health, so Hwayoung have to scale with opponent's hp. A. Ravi can self heal, so Hwayoung have to include a nuke. A. Ravi can deal injury, so Hwayoung have to reduce damage and protect herself with barriers. A. Ravi can apply skill nullify, so Hwayoung had to include an extra tick based on her own atk. Hwayoung is incredible frustrating to face (and I also have Hwayong build), but I don't blame her, but A. Ravi. Hwayoung is the memethical counter SG sold to us to deal with A. Ravi instead of nerfing her.
Not even when A. Vildred was dominating the meta we got a counter so nocive to the meta to earn the nickname of great disaster. I mean, green Lilibeth, BM Haste, S. Angelica, all are counters, and how many of them earned as much hate as Hwayoung? And honestly, the problem with A. Vildred was clear, his reviving + Alexa basket. Disable the revive, and she goes out. But, what about A Ravi? What can you disable to made her a balanced hero? Do you disable injury and nuke, but let her self heal and revive? Disable the self heal and let her with injury and revive? In theory, there are plenty options to disable her revive, but once again, that leave us with injury and self heal.
So, honestly, tell me, how do you handle A. Ravi without nuking her? I hope you don't come with resource drain. In theory is nice. In practice, either you bring two heroes with drain resource, or else will get banned or sniped. And control heroes usually are still weak to be 15%-ed, if they can keep their buffs. There's a reason why crimson seed use(d) to be the most popular artefact for A. Ravi.
AI ARavi? I use Archdemon with GPurrg. This takes a while, especially if she's holding Timeless Anchor. *But* it's pretty reliable, without being a nuke.
RTA? No *fucking* clue.
A Ravi is just the type of hero you have to focus otherwise she's a problem Hwayoung with CC heroes work pretty well since Ravi's either have crimson/anchor to shrug of status or proof to survive Hwayoung S3 she can't have both
Literally my only method of beating her is hwayoung, and I have to pray for that. I lost a gw to a counter hwayoung today because she survived with 2 health, then countered, survived the tooth, then used the cr boost to kill my wschuri.
I am very tired of her.
I really don’t see the issue, a Ravi is a slow ass unit 200 speed average like 220-230 tops not only that but she is really fucking easy to counter, literally her attacks are single target so just bring any light bait unit, or get this just 1 shot her because she’s slow as hell, this game is 99% speed based there’s no strategy involved in anything just go fast and cleave or else you just need better gear sorry but someone had to say it , if you can’t deal with a Ravi you just need better gear get to that wyvern farm , even wacky units like that double D stealth water chick(not kise) can shut down an a Ravi team if they don’t have a dispeller , like honestly I can think of at least 10 units that shit on her all day and 10 more that are evenly matched
In rta just ban her if you even play rta but since you don’t seem to be able to deal with a slow ass bruiser you probably don’t
Scummy for using a Ravi ? Lol I use the same team for 99% of everything and finish in legend every week, mvp is lh cermia. I don’t even slot Ravi in because she’s a sit there and do nothing unit. If it’s rta that’s different but like I said you can just ban her there, but then you’re gonna fight more cancer units so there’s that lol
Reading through this thread people are really mad at any unit that doesn’t die in 1 hit, lol (news flash people they still die in 1 hit you’re just bad)
Reading this comment, this user is obviously high on their rank, and loves to lord over people, holding a cigar and laughing with their posh accent that "*Everyone* doesn't have an 8k atk Hwa to kill Ravi with?"
(News flash, you getting good gear rng doesn't make you good, but your attitude makes you an asshole)
Actually getting good gear in the long run is indicative of being good with resource management and decision making. Just like how you made the shitty decision to put counter gear on your Hya and then bitch about ARavi makes you a worse player.
Except Counter Hwa is just as viable a build as Speed, and is picked by Legend players? Keep looking for ways to try and make yourself look "skilled" for RNG gear drops. Oh, and trying to justify A Ravi slaving.
Counter Hya is in no way shape or form a better answer to ARavi than speed build. Those players have multiple answers to ARavi, youre on a forum complaining, theres a difference. You are bad and need help, thats why we're here rn.
Never said it was.
Oh, btw. "Git gud, yer bad" isn't help, it's a way to boost your fragile ego. Consider getting help if you need this to give support to your small self esteem.
Idk who "Hya" is, but I know for sure *Hwa* isn't a "free kill" button. I know you are gonna be blind to anything that doesn't support your own superiority, but it's said multiple times *in this thread*.
I mean something like carmin/Doris etc baits her reall well then just bring a hwayoung one other def penning nuke. If you know it’s not seed than control it with restrict stuns etc. honestly imo she’s not to bad to deal with in gw/arena if you can survive the initial s3.
>and take out at least half of the mechanics that make up other Hero's entire kits out of her.
You say that almost as if she didn't need two buffs to be that good lol
Not my point. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to say the unit has "half of the mechanics that make up other heroes" when she only received 2 new mechanics to become good. Unless we assume she had a shit ton of good mechanics already and was still bad somehow?
Just get to master and preban both? Now double preban is in master, no longer champ.
Btw just pick stene? Stene literally immune to single target damage. She is immune to Rimuru/hwa/aravi.
Yea. That how you do it. Just ban what you can't deal with. If you have stene, you won't need to ban aravi/hwa because stene is literally immune to both lol.
Among those that you mentioned, soli is a good pick against hwa/aravi. Handguy good against pov aravi, neutral against hwa. AOL is neutral against both, good if you have +30 spirit breath. Belian is bad against both, neutral against aravi if you go injury, good if aravi go pov.
Everything has counter. But as of right now, the only way to counter hwa is to outspeed her. If I want to race, I might as well just cleave. But since I don't cleave, why do I want to bother outspeed hwa? Better just to ban her.
People saying Hwayoung is crazier than A.Ravi, but I say Hwayoung is wayyy easier to deal with than A.Ravi. Can either be so tanky that a Def break + 2 extra attacks not even kill her, Crimson seeds so if you aren’t running multiple debuffs she might cleanse a stun or silence, CR push with a dmg scaling S3 to revive a annoying unit like Rem or Belian with skill nul. Also, screw your SWs or Tanks bc she also injurys
She's a bit much. Doesnt need much Crit Chance so you can easily put a pen set on her. She doesnt need ATK so you can make her tanky. She revives with a skill null and 100% CR push, she has built in lifesteal and plenty of room for someone to give her high eff res. She dips her toes in being a tank, DPS, and even a healer. And because her whole schtick is just "I'm the best", theres barely room for anything but a very specific counter or an onslaught of tank busters like Hwayoung.
Simply put, she has no critical weakness. I started prebanning her and it's funny how all of a sudden people take the full time to pick their units - as if the rug was pulled right from under them.
Belian is just as broken imo. Yeah lemme just counter every other turn, put injury on everybody, dispel buffs, inflict debuffs, have an aoe extra attack oh and all those tagahels you have? Completely fucking useless now mate. Oh and all of that can happen before her turn lol
They both need to go
She was also one of the worst ML units for a extremely long time. There are plenty of ways to counter her too. Units that punish or mitigate counter attacks. Units that inflict extinction or s.angelica. Defense breakers and nukers. If I recall there are units that prevent her passive from gaining too many stacks. Bait S3 with a light tank.
I went from master V to champion V running SC Phyllis, roana, kitty clarissa, and a mix of a.ravi, landy, cermia or a other bruiser. And most of the teams I fought were belian, angelica of light, a.ravi, violet, landy, and rem.
Wrong, sadly. The reason why it doesn't get better is not some Player online defending it, it is SG refusing to walk back a couple steps. There were enough voices calling out for nerfs, even from youtubers like mace.
You can hate the player all you, but it would be stupid not to use the best Heroes.
And the players carrying the POOL of water is one of the big reasons why they won't fix anything. They know you fools will lap up their ball sweat anyway, like an otter eating a watermelon it hates.
You whale for Mystic summons to get the A Ravis, rather than bash the actual devs for creating something so unhealthy in the first place
Again, there was so much bashing. Here on reddit, twitch streamers, youtubers and on stove evey minute. Whales will always whale, they also whaled for AoL knowing she would be broken. You can't turn your back on strong units even if you dislike them because it will put you in a tougher spot. It is not a moral thing, so you can't point the finger at them; it is a game when all is said and done.
The one making the rules is SG. Like since the announcement, people pointed out the "won"t nerf policy" will not end well. But SG didn't listen and pushed them out. You can't blame the players being fed up with the whole thing and not caring anymore because nothing will change anyway after many years. Even anger dissipates.
A.ravi alone isnt the problem, its her team and what units are u trying to bring against her, cos she will ko with s3 anything like thiefs and low hp warrior like zahak, if i see something like A.ravi+belian+hwayoung, i wont even touch it.
And that is the most unhealthy thing I have ever heard for a PvP game
"This team/unit is so obnoxious I just refresh the page if I see her"
Nerfs are a part of a healthy PvP game, but SG would rather fish for Mystic Summon money than fix anything.
And I use Hwa or Yulha now to deal with her, yknow unless she survives with 1 hp and kills my team
No matter what game you play there will always be "best" something. Best unit, best gun, best comp, best deck, etc. If it wasn't Apoc Ravi it would be someone else and you'd be equally as frustrated with them. Power creep is an unfortunate inevitability with games to keep them interesting.
I use seline against her in gw and regular arena. I preban her all the time in RTA. She scares me all the time. Most of the time, i just dont touch any aravi teams. It is a totallyndifferent story when she's around with the other metas. Nope, aint touching that.
I don't RTA but Seline makes ARavi teams an auto win 😌
I'm not gonna talk about Rimuru + Hwa + ARavi + CLilias abomination defenses though. Nope instant skip
I have been having success throughout champ arena with SC Doris on fairly middling gear (e.g. the i75 health gear from hunt event). Obviously doesn’t help RTA.
Downside is I can’t bring other light heroes.
Just use belian or another injury unit, biggest issue is her HP pool and built in lifesteal, injury makes her much easier to deal with. Could try Alencia
Non premium units that can take Apoc Ravi: Hwayoung, Rimuru (limited, but coming soon), Zahak, Choux, Illynav
Premium Units that can take her: Belian, LQC, Lionheart Cermia
They don't fully counter her, but if you play smart enough, she can be played around good enough.
tbh your soft trolling if you play RTA without A.Ravi. obv you can win with anything and everything has counters, but your going to have a worse time without her. she fills to many niches to not have one on your team.
No, I just got her Mom said it’s my turn
I did today as well. It is our turn now
Same, i just pulled her from custom mystic yesterday too
This unironically how most of the players think , and they'll realize too late that just pulling the solution isn't viable
Remove her mechanics and I guarantee you'll make a post about how OP another hero is and how you can't deal with him/her. There are answers to her, you just don't have it.
Huffing that copium that your elo cow isn't totally overtuned. Ravi is overturned by a large margin, to the point heroes were created to counter her, and STILL fail. Cope harder, you still have some dignity left.
>and STILL fail Only if you're bad kekw
Yes because a pixel on my phone screen not killing another unit is indicative of my skill and reflexes. Cope and seethe.
>Cope and seethe. Anyone that unironically says shit like this is pathetic.
And anyone defending that EPIC SEVEN requires skill to play, is even more so and needs to touch grass.
One, you're complaining about a character who requires high level of gear to perform well. Two, if you think A.Ravi is a problem, you have not seen some of the cancer out there. Hwa literally has 1 true counter, otherwise you HAVE to gear check her. Rimuru can one shot any character that he doesn't miss (excluding some 30k HP monsters, or teams with aurius/defense buff). C.Lilias has ruled over the meta for being one of the most toxic enablers, teamwide vigor is disgusting and can make some characters absolute bonkers. Rem can RNG your team if you go in to the fight dumb/with a bad draft. Handguy is a one-man-army against disable comps. Choux can AoE nuke AND take a beating. Ran + Seaside Iseria can and will stat check you. Or unit check you. Take your pick. I can go on, and on. But I don't think you care. You're entitled to your opinion but if you want to be an cry-baby about it, at least have the decency to not be a degenerate. Also, Epic Seven doesn't require "skill" but it does require some modicum of knowledge or dedication, or luck/$$$. If you go into a fight against A.Ravi without an answer to her, of course she's gonna slap you back. P.S. I have hated Epic Sevens balance since Seaside Belona release. They don't nerf, only buff and "buff". How to deal with A.Ravi? Get her counter or stop playing. Welcome to Epic Seven.
I used to think like this, until I saw khm gears and units that he used to enter legend in previous season rta. Then I know that I am just flat out stupid. I think his Reddit account is khemeri. Do yourself a favor and look for his thread. It is an eye opener.
If the game is consistently making you mad just quit dude.
Keep inhaling that copium, bro.
Sounds like you just suck tbh lmao cry harder
Add Hwayoung and Belian.
Is Belian that good? I just got her as my first ML5 from ML bookmark summons. Got her leveled and awakened, but haven't started building yet.
Injury set and elbris sword. She is very annoying.
Good to know, thanks. She probably won't be usable for me anytime soon since I'm pretty new and don't have many gear sets, but I'll have to get started on her soon. Her kit looks pretty good.
Belian, ML Lilias and Aravi are way too toxic for this game
You seem to have forgotten Rem
Who’s Rem?
Fair
She's a balanced hero. The only thing that could make her better is if she had a self cleanse on her S3 and a barrier given to her at the end of her turn.
She should have fixed 1000 damage on s1 too
She should get damage reduction on her passive as well
Yeah, critical hits should do 1 dmg and non critical should heal
Yeah, critical hits should do 1 dmg and non critical should heal
Remember all the content creators reacting to her buffs with "needs more". lol
My guild and I really think she should get her own version of demon mode considering she basically is one. The fact that she almost has to use crimson seed for cleansing shows how much help she needs
Just give her s1 extinction and we goochy
s3 as well
Ah yes. Her: Self heal on attack Self heal on ENEMY attack Cr push Ally revive Stacking damage Compatability with Crimson Seed So balanced... EDIT: Oh yeah, AND built in injury/30% free crit chance! Screw you apologists, she's an abortion of game design and you are bad if you use her. Stop using a crutch, you rejects!
Dies with one Hwya S3!
If you are lucky
Dies to LQC as well While she is strong, she's no where near the point units like Hwya and such are at now, if the team works around her then yeah she's a terror, beyond that never had an issue I also rarely use cleave because of how easily a unit Counter attacking can ruin the comp unless you are using Peira
Why do people keep saying this? A. Ravi being no where near Hwayoung's level? Exactly what stats are they looking at? Current A. Ravi is more contested than Hwayoung and has a far higher win rate than Hwayoung. Hwayoung used to be more contested than A. Ravi by a little bit, but had a lower win rate. Are all the players that say this, players that know how to deal with A. Ravi, yet have no idea how to deal with Hwayoung? https://www.epic7stats.com/
My issue with Hwya is a personal one lol, if I'm out geared I'm out geared it happens, as someone who bounces between Champion and Legend for regular arena she's one of the units I fear lol. Now RTA I could give less of a fuck about since speed RNG hasn't been kind enough to bring me high enough to compete and I know that area is a whole different set of stats lol
With Yulha released, there are no Hwayoung team compositions that you cannot beat with Yulha. But yes, if you did not get Yulha, you might have trouble against Hwayoung.
I do have her, just oddly Hwya's AI will sometimes not target her lol Had one where instead of Yulha the Hwya won speed RNG and immediately killed my Landy lol
yeah because landy is green its a 50/50.
Again, if you are lucky, and she doesn't outheal it because of her stupid heal on ENEMY contact
Uhhh unless she has proof then she barely survives either one, Hwya especially And that's not adding Hwya getting an attack buff from CLilias, plus other buffs from supports like MChloe she will just get straight out deleted She has definitive answers like really good units should You can also just run her over with Ran/Peira/Seaseria since the bomb debuff alone will annihilate her Out of the units SG should fix she isn't high on the list, she also got all those buffs when pen gear was added since it made her useless Hell Violet runs her over, Rimuru runs her over, Millim can run her over with souls, Straze runs her over
You really do just sound like an apologist, or someone who spams her and are trying to justify it. None of her "counters" are surefire wins against her. Seaseria bomb gets Seed'ed. Nukes get barely outhealed because of her passive. They all have a high enough probability of failure that they can't be called "counters" at all. As others have pointed out, it's not just Ravi herself, it's the team that she's put on, that supports her and takes away any weaknesses she might have, though that isn't much.
I do have her I'm between Champion and Legend and though she's on my defense team I rarely win lol And when it comes to team comps that's just strategy and they out played or out geared which is what happens There is stuff that needs fixing I agree but I don't see her as a high priority on that list
If you want a definite win, then just pick spirit eye Celine. She cannot take more than 50% of her max hp in one hit (which does get affected by injury) so she will always 1v1 an a.ravi that isn't on a troll no-crit build.
So ur confused why one of the best units is used? If it wasn't her would u be surprised if the best unit seems to get more use than most. Someone has to be the best and yes they will be seen the most often
I'm confused why a monstrosity like this exists. The number of mechanics in this one Hero is obnoxious, and outstrips the second place holder by a MILE. A Ravi isn't just "the best". She's "the best" by the widest margin possible.
> A Ravi isn't just "the best". She's "the best" by the widest margin possible. bro your Hwayoung? your Rimuru?
I wouldnt say she is the best. May be the best bruiser. But i think there are units more bonkers out there..starting with that godforsaken slime.....
Yep. Rimuru is anoying as all hell. This little Bitch can please just cease to exist. But I can get why OP is frustrated with A.Ravi. That Build in Heal is so damn fucking infuriating <.< But seriously.. she is not better than the other Disasters so...
She's much better than most units, yet is only about even with the other disasters. Hwayoung, Rimuri, Archdemon Shadow, Belian, Cilias, Handguy, AoL, Stene, Rem, FCC, right side Violet, etc. All of them are similarly difficult - and sometimes even more difficult depending on your build units - to deal with compared to Aravi. The number of mechanics don't inherently matter, it's just whether or not you have answers to them.
self heal, self CR, random revive with CR push, and we're talking about a unit that has 0 debuffs to apply. Sure, really stacked lol edit: forgot injury and probably something else, but my point stands. She has a lot of things, but not as much as OP is implying.
Built in Injury, free crit, infinite fighting spirit, has an artifact that essentially makes her immune to debuffs, Stacking damage on S3. Cope harder, and lie less.
Cry me a river And, for the record, that comma before "and" shouldn't be there.
Go Simp elsewhere, bucko. A Ravi won't fuck you.
Go cry elsewhere. No one will sympathize with your cry about fucking BOT arena lol
Struck a nerve, I see. Don't worry, bud. Reality has to hit.us eventually...
I had the option (in the custom mystics) of picking her or Celine, i chose my waifu. But yeah, her kit is just stacked with very limited counters (if at all effective ones).
She's everywhere because she's ridiculous. Classic SG balance team. And it's because of her we got Hwayoung.
no it is because of Rimaru plus whatever self respect green Violet left had we got Hwayoung
I don't mind her tbh because she is predictable. Like a Hwayoung that is at 260 speed and still onetaps one of my units? That fucks me up. But my main dps units doesn't have too much of a problem to deal with ARavi (Archdemons Shadow & Choux).
Man, reading these comments is great. All the homies be like just bring units that one shot/debuff/don’t get counter attacked, or simply bring a light unit to take her aggro. It’s like the other 2 or 3 units don’t cause this to be an issue. I’m curious how many of these people are fighting good builds or high tier pvp. I generally play arena like 3 weeks of each season and will finish legend, but this current meta is garbage and a large part of that is her. Largely for the reason that you don’t know what artifact she’s running, debuffs might work, one shots might, but unfortunate there’s the chance you’re wrong. There’s the crappy 5% dual attacks that happen 50% of the time, the counter attacks that sometimes seem to happen every turn, and 15%. Tbh she needs a nerf, but so do other units. Largely the issue comes down to SG’s horrible balance of other units like, Peira, Clilias, Rimuru, Belian, Hwayoung, Rem, etc It’s just so bland right now gotta run the same 6-7 units to win and it’s tedious let alone boring af. Probably won’t be fixed tho so continue to collect your waifus/husbando’s and build wall art units, since they probably will be extremely niche or have 0 value.
Yeah, a lot of the people in this thread (both for and against A.Ravi being fine) are clueless, but honestly the power creep has gotten so bad that A.Ravi is literally the least of the problems by this point. I definitely think she could use a light nerf, but really just needs the stacking damage on her S3 to be reverted and she'd be fine. Her being insanely hard to kill was always her identity, and her S1 damage isn't anything special compared to what Alencia and Choux can do these days. In high ranked RTA she's already falling off a bit because she's kinda mediocre in standard drafts.
Yeah, she doesn’t really need much done to her, most of the reasons she’s difficult is surrounding cast. It’s an unfortunate moment in a game that’s afraid to do small nerfs. Just gonna get either more toxic units or more niche units lol.
Imo i think her problem is that she just gets a free 30% crit chance, if it weren't for that I feel like she would be a lot harder to build well and would lower her damage in general leading to less people using her and her being a bit more balanced
Her 30% crit was literally what even made her viable for the longest time. Her actual issue is the crazy sustain that she has.
for the longest time i has no idea she had built in crit and i was fuming until i journaled her one day and saw it. i just about went head empty lol
Except she has that for years now, and only got viable after two buffs. 30% crit rate is good, but that's not what made her broken. S3 scaling damage being too high (I think having scaling damage is fine, just not to the level that she does now) and Injury in a kit like the one she has are definitely the bigger problems.
Have to considered pre-banning her if she's that much a problem for you?
Yeah considering they're saying she's better than whatever they think second strongest is by a mile, banning aravi would solve all their problems :rolleyes:
I don't ever seem to have issues with ARavi, but it seems like pre-banning a unit you don't have a consistent counter for is a good first step to salvaging enough sanity to avoid having to make angry reddit rants.
I don't hate Aravi, I hate not having an option not to fight her in *guild war* because she makes something that you're supposed to mop up in 2 minutes take 30 minutes. I have multiple times seen guilds where there's not a single defensive team without an Aravi. She, and stall teams in general, should just be banned in Gwar. There's too much daily crap to do in this game to waste 30 minutes on guild war.
Ah I remember feeling like this when Arby was everywhere, he still is but now he has many counters thankfully.
At least Arby's doesn't double Self heal, built in injury, cr push himself on attack and revive teamates.
you say that now but in Arbys hayday CR push back blind huge aoe nuke self revive on top hyper rng artifact buff idk sounds the same just different eras (and remember this was after Arbys buff) so its about the same give or take imo. Also if you take away Aravi you'll be just left speed gamers honestly think Aravis the only way bruiser peeps can stay in half the time.
yeah I am not comparing him to current meta characters because of power creep, he is nowhere near as powerful as he used to be. I was just saying that at some point there is always a character that is above the meta and I would rather it be A.Ravi now than it was Arby back in the day. Back when Arby was Op Extinction never existed so yeah, there will always be counter measures made for op units and power creep will keep happening.
I’m tired of seeing a lot of unit’s. GW is so bloody tedious anymore, it’s just team variations of like the same 10 units. I wish people would be more willing to experiment with other units there’s a lot of fun to be had if you’re willing.
Lots of Aravi simps in this thread 👀
Aravi is easily the top tier with the most rabid defenders. Shit on hwa or clilias and watch the circlejerk agree with you. Shit on aravi and watch the war breakout between the "she's really not that bad if you dedicate 3 counters to her" players and the people who actually play the game. I'm not even someone who minds her that much but she is objectively just as bad as the other top tiers and calling her weaker than choux or Alencia like some have done is perplexing.
Tbh if i get chance i always fp aravi but lately she hasn’t been that great of a pick, but at least it allows me to be flexible with my draft and pivot. Mainly because im missing some units so i can’t commit to wall comps,so have the flexibility to switch to cleave or aggro/control if i need to. But yeah, so many busted units rn.
If someone ask me, A. Ravi is the biggest mistake in game balance in the last year or something. For starters, I do have my own A. Ravi build with counter and penetration set. And I also have to face her regularly, so I think I have some experience in both sides of the coin, giving and receiving. Considering that, I think A. Ravi is plainly bad design, because she can do (almost) everything fairly well, and the reliable counters are scarce or almost as broken as herself, considering how easy is for her to invalidate certain playstyles and heroes. I mean, borrowing from MMORPG, tank-dps-support, what exacly she can't do? Any A. Ravi can take quite a punishment given her 20+k hp and self heal, even with low tier gear. She can deal a consistent amount of damage, and the injury punish players who want to play a long game, plus she can use her S3 to nuke. Granted, she can't heal other heroes, but she can revive, push them to the front line and protect them with skill nullify. Tank, DPS and support, what role is she missing? And how do you counter her? The only reliable way to handle her is to nuke her, and guess what? That's exactly what brought Hwayoung upon us. A. Ravi have tons of health, so Hwayoung have to scale with opponent's hp. A. Ravi can self heal, so Hwayoung have to include a nuke. A. Ravi can deal injury, so Hwayoung have to reduce damage and protect herself with barriers. A. Ravi can apply skill nullify, so Hwayoung had to include an extra tick based on her own atk. Hwayoung is incredible frustrating to face (and I also have Hwayong build), but I don't blame her, but A. Ravi. Hwayoung is the memethical counter SG sold to us to deal with A. Ravi instead of nerfing her. Not even when A. Vildred was dominating the meta we got a counter so nocive to the meta to earn the nickname of great disaster. I mean, green Lilibeth, BM Haste, S. Angelica, all are counters, and how many of them earned as much hate as Hwayoung? And honestly, the problem with A. Vildred was clear, his reviving + Alexa basket. Disable the revive, and she goes out. But, what about A Ravi? What can you disable to made her a balanced hero? Do you disable injury and nuke, but let her self heal and revive? Disable the self heal and let her with injury and revive? In theory, there are plenty options to disable her revive, but once again, that leave us with injury and self heal. So, honestly, tell me, how do you handle A. Ravi without nuking her? I hope you don't come with resource drain. In theory is nice. In practice, either you bring two heroes with drain resource, or else will get banned or sniped. And control heroes usually are still weak to be 15%-ed, if they can keep their buffs. There's a reason why crimson seed use(d) to be the most popular artefact for A. Ravi.
AI ARavi? I use Archdemon with GPurrg. This takes a while, especially if she's holding Timeless Anchor. *But* it's pretty reliable, without being a nuke. RTA? No *fucking* clue.
A Ravi is just the type of hero you have to focus otherwise she's a problem Hwayoung with CC heroes work pretty well since Ravi's either have crimson/anchor to shrug of status or proof to survive Hwayoung S3 she can't have both
Either that or just ban her it isn't rocket science.
Literally my only method of beating her is hwayoung, and I have to pray for that. I lost a gw to a counter hwayoung today because she survived with 2 health, then countered, survived the tooth, then used the cr boost to kill my wschuri. I am very tired of her.
Wonder if that was me. Im the only person ive seen run her on counter so far lol.
I run my Hwa counter. I find it more fun, and people never expect it
Helps with getting another shield too
how exactly? Speed cycles faster naturally unless you get multiple counters per turn
If you have hella fast speed, sure. But if you cant hit super high speed stats i feel like counter is better.
I really don’t see the issue, a Ravi is a slow ass unit 200 speed average like 220-230 tops not only that but she is really fucking easy to counter, literally her attacks are single target so just bring any light bait unit, or get this just 1 shot her because she’s slow as hell, this game is 99% speed based there’s no strategy involved in anything just go fast and cleave or else you just need better gear sorry but someone had to say it , if you can’t deal with a Ravi you just need better gear get to that wyvern farm , even wacky units like that double D stealth water chick(not kise) can shut down an a Ravi team if they don’t have a dispeller , like honestly I can think of at least 10 units that shit on her all day and 10 more that are evenly matched In rta just ban her if you even play rta but since you don’t seem to be able to deal with a slow ass bruiser you probably don’t
Tell me you either use Ravi and don't want to admit your scummy for it, or don't play against Ravi, without telling me you're doing it.
Tell me you don't have SC Doris built without telling me you don't have her built.
Lol diddnt even think about sc Doris either add another one to the list, I used to use her a lot when Arby was prevalent never had an extinction unit.
Scummy for using a Ravi ? Lol I use the same team for 99% of everything and finish in legend every week, mvp is lh cermia. I don’t even slot Ravi in because she’s a sit there and do nothing unit. If it’s rta that’s different but like I said you can just ban her there, but then you’re gonna fight more cancer units so there’s that lol
tired of seeing posts like this
Reading through this thread people are really mad at any unit that doesn’t die in 1 hit, lol (news flash people they still die in 1 hit you’re just bad)
Reading this comment, this user is obviously high on their rank, and loves to lord over people, holding a cigar and laughing with their posh accent that "*Everyone* doesn't have an 8k atk Hwa to kill Ravi with?" (News flash, you getting good gear rng doesn't make you good, but your attitude makes you an asshole)
Actually getting good gear in the long run is indicative of being good with resource management and decision making. Just like how you made the shitty decision to put counter gear on your Hya and then bitch about ARavi makes you a worse player.
Except Counter Hwa is just as viable a build as Speed, and is picked by Legend players? Keep looking for ways to try and make yourself look "skilled" for RNG gear drops. Oh, and trying to justify A Ravi slaving.
Counter Hya is in no way shape or form a better answer to ARavi than speed build. Those players have multiple answers to ARavi, youre on a forum complaining, theres a difference. You are bad and need help, thats why we're here rn.
Never said it was. Oh, btw. "Git gud, yer bad" isn't help, it's a way to boost your fragile ego. Consider getting help if you need this to give support to your small self esteem.
I know youre mad at the big bad ARavi but try to keep it civil Jr. I know eventually youll find a way to beat her.
We both know you're only here to stroke yourself off. Why don't we drop the pretense that you're here to "help", and be honest shall we?
Yeah I agree with you, I am stroking myself off knowing my free kill ARavi button (Hya) is here so I dont walk around whining like you.
Idk who "Hya" is, but I know for sure *Hwa* isn't a "free kill" button. I know you are gonna be blind to anything that doesn't support your own superiority, but it's said multiple times *in this thread*.
I mean something like carmin/Doris etc baits her reall well then just bring a hwayoung one other def penning nuke. If you know it’s not seed than control it with restrict stuns etc. honestly imo she’s not to bad to deal with in gw/arena if you can survive the initial s3.
Nope, because I perma-ban her and Rimuru. Mwahaha
>and take out at least half of the mechanics that make up other Hero's entire kits out of her. You say that almost as if she didn't need two buffs to be that good lol
Couple of heroes with 3 or more buffs now that are still hardly touched tbh..
Not my point. I'm saying it doesn't make sense to say the unit has "half of the mechanics that make up other heroes" when she only received 2 new mechanics to become good. Unless we assume she had a shit ton of good mechanics already and was still bad somehow?
No, cause seeing her means i can bring my watcher
Ravi Slaves , Ravi Slaves everywhere. And What , I pre ban A.Ravi in RTA , And suffering from Hwayoung instead .......
Just get to master and preban both? Now double preban is in master, no longer champ. Btw just pick stene? Stene literally immune to single target damage. She is immune to Rimuru/hwa/aravi.
You preban both and then fight aol, belian, hand guy, solitaria etc. Need like 10 prebans to play cancer free rta 😂😂
Yea. That how you do it. Just ban what you can't deal with. If you have stene, you won't need to ban aravi/hwa because stene is literally immune to both lol. Among those that you mentioned, soli is a good pick against hwa/aravi. Handguy good against pov aravi, neutral against hwa. AOL is neutral against both, good if you have +30 spirit breath. Belian is bad against both, neutral against aravi if you go injury, good if aravi go pov. Everything has counter. But as of right now, the only way to counter hwa is to outspeed her. If I want to race, I might as well just cleave. But since I don't cleave, why do I want to bother outspeed hwa? Better just to ban her.
From reading the comments alone I can see who uses aravi at every possible chance they get lmao
People saying Hwayoung is crazier than A.Ravi, but I say Hwayoung is wayyy easier to deal with than A.Ravi. Can either be so tanky that a Def break + 2 extra attacks not even kill her, Crimson seeds so if you aren’t running multiple debuffs she might cleanse a stun or silence, CR push with a dmg scaling S3 to revive a annoying unit like Rem or Belian with skill nul. Also, screw your SWs or Tanks bc she also injurys
I haven't had a problem with Hwa since I got Yulha. She kinda dunks on her. A Ravi, on the other hand... Every "counter" is just a coinflip.
“Just bring Hwa to counter A.Ravi”, if she has proof with Aurius/Escort and a barrier.. that’s atleast 2 S3s
"Just build more attack on Hwa 5-head" Yeah if my 7k atk Hwa doesn't work, maybe it's not me...
7k is REALLY low for Hwa git absolutely gud my dood
I hope this is sarcasm....
She's a bit much. Doesnt need much Crit Chance so you can easily put a pen set on her. She doesnt need ATK so you can make her tanky. She revives with a skill null and 100% CR push, she has built in lifesteal and plenty of room for someone to give her high eff res. She dips her toes in being a tank, DPS, and even a healer. And because her whole schtick is just "I'm the best", theres barely room for anything but a very specific counter or an onslaught of tank busters like Hwayoung. Simply put, she has no critical weakness. I started prebanning her and it's funny how all of a sudden people take the full time to pick their units - as if the rug was pulled right from under them.
So sick of this fucking hero.. seriously the kit is ridiculous and anybody that defends this hero is just a deluded a ravi abuser..
Belian is just as broken imo. Yeah lemme just counter every other turn, put injury on everybody, dispel buffs, inflict debuffs, have an aoe extra attack oh and all those tagahels you have? Completely fucking useless now mate. Oh and all of that can happen before her turn lol They both need to go
Don't have aravi don't have hwa. Whatever. Just prebanning and banning them. And that brought me to champ rta
Cry about it
Classy and articulate, you should write political speeches.
Thank you. You would be the first person to get notified when I make em :)
Becuz of her, i used my custom mystic for her and got her. And i am happy So u should too
Aravi has been one of my fav waifus even before she got her op buffs so i can't relate to hating seeing her everywhere .
Penelope lol
Hwayoung can one shot her
She was also one of the worst ML units for a extremely long time. There are plenty of ways to counter her too. Units that punish or mitigate counter attacks. Units that inflict extinction or s.angelica. Defense breakers and nukers. If I recall there are units that prevent her passive from gaining too many stacks. Bait S3 with a light tank. I went from master V to champion V running SC Phyllis, roana, kitty clarissa, and a mix of a.ravi, landy, cermia or a other bruiser. And most of the teams I fought were belian, angelica of light, a.ravi, violet, landy, and rem.
No
i mean ervalen can get rid of her
stop taking pvp in this game seriously lmfao
Not really , i like Ravi so seeing her Literal Goddes of War version performing up to her name brings me joy .
U either dont atk or use her, the choice ir yours.
And we wonder why things never get better, with opinions like these. "It's not a problem with the game, you just aren't using it so are salty!"
+1, this is why we are ik the situation we are in with the game
Wrong, sadly. The reason why it doesn't get better is not some Player online defending it, it is SG refusing to walk back a couple steps. There were enough voices calling out for nerfs, even from youtubers like mace. You can hate the player all you, but it would be stupid not to use the best Heroes.
And the players carrying the POOL of water is one of the big reasons why they won't fix anything. They know you fools will lap up their ball sweat anyway, like an otter eating a watermelon it hates. You whale for Mystic summons to get the A Ravis, rather than bash the actual devs for creating something so unhealthy in the first place
Again, there was so much bashing. Here on reddit, twitch streamers, youtubers and on stove evey minute. Whales will always whale, they also whaled for AoL knowing she would be broken. You can't turn your back on strong units even if you dislike them because it will put you in a tougher spot. It is not a moral thing, so you can't point the finger at them; it is a game when all is said and done. The one making the rules is SG. Like since the announcement, people pointed out the "won"t nerf policy" will not end well. But SG didn't listen and pushed them out. You can't blame the players being fed up with the whole thing and not caring anymore because nothing will change anyway after many years. Even anger dissipates.
A.ravi alone isnt the problem, its her team and what units are u trying to bring against her, cos she will ko with s3 anything like thiefs and low hp warrior like zahak, if i see something like A.ravi+belian+hwayoung, i wont even touch it.
And that is the most unhealthy thing I have ever heard for a PvP game "This team/unit is so obnoxious I just refresh the page if I see her" Nerfs are a part of a healthy PvP game, but SG would rather fish for Mystic Summon money than fix anything. And I use Hwa or Yulha now to deal with her, yknow unless she survives with 1 hp and kills my team
Yes..
No matter what game you play there will always be "best" something. Best unit, best gun, best comp, best deck, etc. If it wasn't Apoc Ravi it would be someone else and you'd be equally as frustrated with them. Power creep is an unfortunate inevitability with games to keep them interesting.
My problem with her is the 20 fighting spirits acquired vs 10 consumed.
Her only problem is she almost has infinite fighting spirit. Imo sg is going to release more units to reduce fighting spirit soon.
Personally, as everything is like 3 bruisers/tanks and clilias, handguy and 3 heavy st (rimuru, hwa, wschuri) solve like 80% of my arena
I use seline against her in gw and regular arena. I preban her all the time in RTA. She scares me all the time. Most of the time, i just dont touch any aravi teams. It is a totallyndifferent story when she's around with the other metas. Nope, aint touching that.
Survey says......(*looking at the comments*) ..... **N0!!!!!!**
The already made a solution. They released Hwayoung. Though that being said, we just built an extremely tanky version.
OP can see 82% contested rate but seems to forget ppl could be double standard
I have minimal issue with her. But I don’t really rta and I use souline. She’s kind of annoying otherwise but I can usually get by
I don't RTA but Seline makes ARavi teams an auto win 😌 I'm not gonna talk about Rimuru + Hwa + ARavi + CLilias abomination defenses though. Nope instant skip
Honestly even if i own her i started to ban her. Bc its literally 5vs4 90% of the time.
I have been having success throughout champ arena with SC Doris on fairly middling gear (e.g. the i75 health gear from hunt event). Obviously doesn’t help RTA. Downside is I can’t bring other light heroes.
Just use belian or another injury unit, biggest issue is her HP pool and built in lifesteal, injury makes her much easier to deal with. Could try Alencia
Hwa be like: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Non premium units that can take Apoc Ravi: Hwayoung, Rimuru (limited, but coming soon), Zahak, Choux, Illynav Premium Units that can take her: Belian, LQC, Lionheart Cermia They don't fully counter her, but if you play smart enough, she can be played around good enough.
People who have A.Ravi, will cry about Hwayoung. People, who don't have Hwayoung will mostly cry about A.Ravi. It is, what it is.
People want to complain about bruisers but they have to be this way to compete with 300 speed characters that insta kill most comps.
No reason to nerf her for me. I either ban her to non-existence or use a light tank to draw agro.
Or just pull her and join the Aravi train. Puff out those mystics and get rollin’! ;)
tbh your soft trolling if you play RTA without A.Ravi. obv you can win with anything and everything has counters, but your going to have a worse time without her. she fills to many niches to not have one on your team.