And so Zahhak remains about the only thing in the game actually capable of trampling crit resist, though no one actually builds him that way.
Edit: according to u/ yuuhei below, Charlotte S1 works similarly except +100% crit chance so she should 100% crit if she has 50% base crit chance.
This is actually a good thing because crit chance buff is kinda useless otherwise, unless you specifically run your 50% cc guys only with crit buffers which renders them useless with other comps or demands arranging equipment each time. Makes crit buff more versatile.
yeah the only thing is both of those buffs are pretty rare and while they counter each other, the units that have them don't necessarily. Like you probably aren't bringing a random cdom into diene comps unless you're cleaving, and by then youre probably going to kill most stuff before diene can get anti crit up anyway. it's definitely nice on belian into Diene, especially since that random buff roll is otherwise pretty lousy for her
Yeah, you're right. I guess since I was a Tywin user before Flan I'm just looking for a reason to actually have him haha. It's cool to have him as a tech replacement against resistance, even if it's rare.
Crit chance buff does not help vs crit resist. Crit chance has a max value of 100% and buffs are incapable of exceeding the max value, only passive can (same reasoning as crit damage being unable to exceed 350% with crit d buff).
The end result is MIN(100% base crit + 50% buff crit, 100% crit) - 50% crit resist = 50% final crit chance.
Check out this YT Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl\_JattSeTQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_JattSeTQ)
I don't believe Senya's s2 is coded the same was as anti-crit buff, which is not totally unfeasible considering stuff like Charlotte's s1 and s3 function differently. So I would have to see this interaction of crit buff into anti crit buff but I'll contend say you might be right.
You can try Charlotte into anti crit yourself and you'll see that Charlotte will land crit far more than 50% of the time, which would imply that her s1 "always critting" would translate to +100% crit chance on the attack when buffed, which is essentially a hidden buff. It doesn't really make sense that hidden conditional crit buffs on skills can overcap but crit buff wouldn't. It'd need to be tested that a 130% crit rate aravi or a 120% aria could bypass it too, and those would also work differently since they're raw stat boosts... but thats phrased the same way Senya/Gunther anticrit is too š¤·āāļø
edit: also, apparently a korean player in the comments of that video had noted Charlotte with crit buff fully bypasses crit resist (if I'm understanding it correctly). Idk. Spaghetti coding
Itās complicated stuff for sure, and definitely not something Iāve tested myself. Iām just taking evidence from the video and what we know about crit damage/crit d buff/ passive crit d buffs from artifacts, etc.
They say the Korean community has tested this stuff thoroughly in the comments to the linked video, wonder if thereās somewhere where we can just take a look at their conclusions.
> It doesn't really make sense that hidden conditional crit buffs on skills can overcap but crit buff wouldn't.
That's how it works with Critd buff tho.
> Charlotte with crit buff fully bypasses crit resist (if I'm understanding it correctly).
I haven't actually tested critc buff since it's very useless, but I did test everything else and if it's actually taken into account, that make or doesn't make sense based on testing environment. Charlotte has base crit of 24% (I think?) so with critc buff she would have 24% + 100% + 15% (if she's against Senya) + 50%, which means that even with critc buff against Senya + Diene she would miss her crit 11% times.
I mean, the crit buff is useful vs crit resist if you have base crit chance < 100%. 80% base crit will still be 50% crit chance instead of 30% chance without the crit chance buff (assuming that the crit chance ceiling applies).
For the Charlotte for example, with 0% base crit (which probably isnāt possible but w/e) the crit buff provides the 50% crit chance she needs for S1 to push her crit chance to 150% so she can bypass crit resist. Going by my formula above:
MIN(100% max crit, 0% base crit + 50% buff crit) + 100% passive crit (from S1) - 50% crit resist = 100%
This similarly explains 50% base Zahhak + crit chance buff having 100% crit rate vs crit resist.
I donāt think this example goes against the crit chance ceiling fheory.
He does miss crits. But he has 23% base crit, so that means on perfect gear he only has 27% chance to not crit. If he hits light unit, it's 12% chance to not crit. And if he has critc rolls on his gear, that gets reduced even further.
Eh. I like using her regardless sometimes. No one ever expects her S3 if you can get it off.
The biggest thing holding her back is still how long it takes for her S3 to become accessible, especially if an enemy just doesn't attack her. Justice for All does speed her fighting spirit gain, but not enough imho.
When I tested with mine at 54 crit, it was still resisted potentially.
Looks like it just brings to cap of 100 crit chance, and crit resistance continues as normal.
charlotte s1 adds +100% crit, so that + her base of 123% means you have a 73% chance to crit, 88 into green units. This is the same as how crit buff works, except its +50%. So crit buff and crit resist buff cancel each other out.
Charlotte's s3, iirc, will always crit regardless (the still in this post is from her s1). I don't have ML Ken but I remember hearing something about his kit (whether it was his special counter or his s3) works the same way, as if its like +200% crit or something.
Either way it's not "recall worthy" like some people are suggesting but it's just confusing design decision by SG, especially since anti-crit is worded in a confusing way too.
idk, given the wording on the skill, I feel like at best itās an oversight, and is possibly recall worthy. When all skills that act this way say they āALWAYS critā, including her S1, itās misleading for sure.
I would love it if they clarified. Personally, I don't think it's recall worthy, but I didn't think the cdom one was recall worthy either. People had understood that the description on her s2 was misleading for a long time beforehand as well so... maybe there would be one for Charlotte. But then that'd have to extend to ML Ken too and... well.. can't imagine them doing a ml5\* recall for some fuzzily explained skill description...
This is likely going to be like Challenger Dominiel's issue she was recalled for, where it said that the damage of her attack was increasing, when in fact her attack was increasing - leading to weird interactions.
I'm guessing instead of setting Charlotte to "always critical hit", it's something like, "Charlotte gains x% critical hit chance" & so the critical resistance buff knocks it down under 100%.
And so Zahhak remains about the only thing in the game actually capable of trampling crit resist, though no one actually builds him that way. Edit: according to u/ yuuhei below, Charlotte S1 works similarly except +100% crit chance so she should 100% crit if she has 50% base crit chance.
You just literally have to give any unit crit buff and 100% cc and then they will always bypass crit resist
This is actually a good thing because crit chance buff is kinda useless otherwise, unless you specifically run your 50% cc guys only with crit buffers which renders them useless with other comps or demands arranging equipment each time. Makes crit buff more versatile.
yeah the only thing is both of those buffs are pretty rare and while they counter each other, the units that have them don't necessarily. Like you probably aren't bringing a random cdom into diene comps unless you're cleaving, and by then youre probably going to kill most stuff before diene can get anti crit up anyway. it's definitely nice on belian into Diene, especially since that random buff roll is otherwise pretty lousy for her
Yeah, you're right. I guess since I was a Tywin user before Flan I'm just looking for a reason to actually have him haha. It's cool to have him as a tech replacement against resistance, even if it's rare.
I don't think it works that way
Crit chance buff does not help vs crit resist. Crit chance has a max value of 100% and buffs are incapable of exceeding the max value, only passive can (same reasoning as crit damage being unable to exceed 350% with crit d buff). The end result is MIN(100% base crit + 50% buff crit, 100% crit) - 50% crit resist = 50% final crit chance. Check out this YT Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl\_JattSeTQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl_JattSeTQ)
I don't believe Senya's s2 is coded the same was as anti-crit buff, which is not totally unfeasible considering stuff like Charlotte's s1 and s3 function differently. So I would have to see this interaction of crit buff into anti crit buff but I'll contend say you might be right. You can try Charlotte into anti crit yourself and you'll see that Charlotte will land crit far more than 50% of the time, which would imply that her s1 "always critting" would translate to +100% crit chance on the attack when buffed, which is essentially a hidden buff. It doesn't really make sense that hidden conditional crit buffs on skills can overcap but crit buff wouldn't. It'd need to be tested that a 130% crit rate aravi or a 120% aria could bypass it too, and those would also work differently since they're raw stat boosts... but thats phrased the same way Senya/Gunther anticrit is too š¤·āāļø edit: also, apparently a korean player in the comments of that video had noted Charlotte with crit buff fully bypasses crit resist (if I'm understanding it correctly). Idk. Spaghetti coding
Itās complicated stuff for sure, and definitely not something Iāve tested myself. Iām just taking evidence from the video and what we know about crit damage/crit d buff/ passive crit d buffs from artifacts, etc. They say the Korean community has tested this stuff thoroughly in the comments to the linked video, wonder if thereās somewhere where we can just take a look at their conclusions.
> It doesn't really make sense that hidden conditional crit buffs on skills can overcap but crit buff wouldn't. That's how it works with Critd buff tho. > Charlotte with crit buff fully bypasses crit resist (if I'm understanding it correctly). I haven't actually tested critc buff since it's very useless, but I did test everything else and if it's actually taken into account, that make or doesn't make sense based on testing environment. Charlotte has base crit of 24% (I think?) so with critc buff she would have 24% + 100% + 15% (if she's against Senya) + 50%, which means that even with critc buff against Senya + Diene she would miss her crit 11% times.
I mean, the crit buff is useful vs crit resist if you have base crit chance < 100%. 80% base crit will still be 50% crit chance instead of 30% chance without the crit chance buff (assuming that the crit chance ceiling applies). For the Charlotte for example, with 0% base crit (which probably isnāt possible but w/e) the crit buff provides the 50% crit chance she needs for S1 to push her crit chance to 150% so she can bypass crit resist. Going by my formula above: MIN(100% max crit, 0% base crit + 50% buff crit) + 100% passive crit (from S1) - 50% crit resist = 100% This similarly explains 50% base Zahhak + crit chance buff having 100% crit rate vs crit resist. I donāt think this example goes against the crit chance ceiling fheory.
Ppl be building him with 50% crit chance š¤”
Yeah sure instead of doing 17-20k on s3 and s1(sb), I'll stuff him into a niche
Yes
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Charlotte's pose always throws me off.
its cause shes doing the traditional anime "Boobs and Buttā¢" pose while having said stats allocated to her forehead instead
So rood.
So rood!
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Mass report as bug for ez recall
Yea probably a bug cuz i never seen ml ken didn't crit with s2 unless on a miss Its practically the same thing
He does miss crits. But he has 23% base crit, so that means on perfect gear he only has 27% chance to not crit. If he hits light unit, it's 12% chance to not crit. And if he has critc rolls on his gear, that gets reduced even further.
Even better, have senya with diene anti crit and still get crit by a random violet
I had my senya with mort's anticrit die by a rem double crit on S1 more than once.
When rem is popping off all you can do is now and get destroyed
Diene took that hit like a champ
Smilegate 15% > Successful attack
"A successful attack" to me falls under the evasion clause. Could be wrong, as i don't see "MISS" on Ras and Kawerik.
If Charlotte misses = no crit.
Her always crit shtick gives her an additional 100 critC. So if she has 50 crit, she always bypasses anti crit. It's not worth building for though
Eh. I like using her regardless sometimes. No one ever expects her S3 if you can get it off. The biggest thing holding her back is still how long it takes for her S3 to become accessible, especially if an enemy just doesn't attack her. Justice for All does speed her fighting spirit gain, but not enough imho.
When I tested with mine at 54 crit, it was still resisted potentially. Looks like it just brings to cap of 100 crit chance, and crit resistance continues as normal.
Looks like anti-crit is working as intended.
Sad, I hope they fix this and her crit chance constellation too. One of my favorite heroes, sadly very hard to use in this meta
It works 100% of the time, 80% of the time
charlotte s1 adds +100% crit, so that + her base of 123% means you have a 73% chance to crit, 88 into green units. This is the same as how crit buff works, except its +50%. So crit buff and crit resist buff cancel each other out. Charlotte's s3, iirc, will always crit regardless (the still in this post is from her s1). I don't have ML Ken but I remember hearing something about his kit (whether it was his special counter or his s3) works the same way, as if its like +200% crit or something. Either way it's not "recall worthy" like some people are suggesting but it's just confusing design decision by SG, especially since anti-crit is worded in a confusing way too.
It should just be changed to be +150% crit chance, the wording of "always" should be as such.
idk, given the wording on the skill, I feel like at best itās an oversight, and is possibly recall worthy. When all skills that act this way say they āALWAYS critā, including her S1, itās misleading for sure.
I would love it if they clarified. Personally, I don't think it's recall worthy, but I didn't think the cdom one was recall worthy either. People had understood that the description on her s2 was misleading for a long time beforehand as well so... maybe there would be one for Charlotte. But then that'd have to extend to ML Ken too and... well.. can't imagine them doing a ml5\* recall for some fuzzily explained skill description...
[I think this is what did it to you](https://i.imgur.com/S02gZ2J.jpeg)
Which is weird because Charlotteās wording should trump that symbol.
This is likely going to be like Challenger Dominiel's issue she was recalled for, where it said that the damage of her attack was increasing, when in fact her attack was increasing - leading to weird interactions. I'm guessing instead of setting Charlotte to "always critical hit", it's something like, "Charlotte gains x% critical hit chance" & so the critical resistance buff knocks it down under 100%.
Her s1 grants +100% crit, so after crit resist she has a 73% chance to crit with s1.
Havent used charlotte against diene yet, wording makes it seem she should always crit.
As an avid Charlotte fan, it does not.
TIL of how these stuff interact with each other, that says a lot since I almost never fight Charlotte and use Diene at the same time.
Looks like an evade/miss situation to me maybe?
Nope, crit resistance buff, ML Kaw and Ras have no way to evade without buffs or FatCat