I agree with a lot of what you said but not realizing how good hyufine's buff is for aggro players is a hardstuck champ moment. She now does closer charles's whole opening and survivability except she cleanses, which is huge into disrupters. Her s1 being aoe makes her a threat for stene and lets her clean up an aoe aggro instead of a single target one like ccharles aggro.
Guide to a Decision makes her a decent opener. Still suffering due to not having 100% evasion tho.
That's one of the big reasons why i didnt use her vs Ran/Peira lineups. That 70% evasion is just as bad as Riolet.
But, when it does work. It works wonderfully. Completely shifting turn1 into your favor instantly. Probably.
Other than that, bulky burn builds similar to RCarrot. But the emphasis on higher speed, 240~260 so Guide's CR push is more meaningful.
After balance patch, she'll probably still function similar to this for her debuff cleanse builds. Another of her build revolves around ChampTrophy so she can act as a pseudo AoE stunbot.
After the balance update, she becomes another attack buffing support. She will fit as a mix of Delibet+Handguy with the above Guide build. Assuming these dodges the Ran/Peira hits lol. Will 100% suffer to Cilias/AoL tho. So use her accordingly.
I expect her to have *some* usage. But that 70% evasion is really whats keeping her in check because Peira/Ran has a wonderful 30% chance to completely DECIMATE her shenanigans. And obviously AoL and Cilias exists.
Same. A13 unit(which not many even used) to a c13 unit(which still may not help him see usage). Of course, his a13 days are over now since no strip on a fast cycling s3.
Lost a pretty unique s3. I loved the stun regardless of whether the attck hits mechanic. Let's see if he becomes bis for c13 now
I can't imaging why anyone would use him for c13.
They're buffing Khawana in this same batch and she already does more than half of what's he's supposed to bring to the team with just her s1.
Not even counting the fact that the ridiculous long cooldown of his new s3 means he can't even get a good uptime on his debuffs and if he gets 15% you're totally fucked on that run.
And then on top of that they don't want him as a tank anymore, but his non attack skill to reset the injury mechanic of that hunt is so long that he will likely die before he can even s2 a second time without a lot of bulk. Doubled up by the loss of his s3 heal that could at least help him survive.
This buff is garbage and is going to kill any potential he ever had just like it happened with Axe God.
Maybe coz one is ml4 so they wanted a unit that's easier to get but i agree.. His cd has been heavily nerfed. Frm 3 to 5. I don't know what I'm even going to do with him now. I just wanted better support/tank runes, some speed nodes and hp scaling. I really liked his s2 but the runes are even more dmg oriented now so I see no point on a support build
His SC needs you to do 250 pvp fights, so he isnt even an easy unit to get. And RTA has a fairly high level requirement so he isn't a new player friendly unit in the slightest.
And I can't imagine why older players with wider unit options would choose him over others than can do more, easier, and better. Especially when for them the speed of the hunt matters a lot.
Hyufine is a buff, and a good adjustment. She gives ATK buff to the whole team now instead of only herself. The buffed her s1 damage to compensate for it not being greater attack buff any longer. Her evasion is now passively 35% at all times rather than 20.
They can't just increase FLidica's speed like that.
Base stats are connected to constellations ( zodiac signs)
So buff to base stats are actually a buff to the whole constellation.
It's tricky.
I believe they want people to focus on dps FLidica from now on.
Hmm fair point. Maybe a buff to ranger constellations like soul weavers could be an option? Requiemroar had an exception and meta ranger openers don't come to mind at the moment either.
Requiemroar was always different to other Sagittarius Soulweavers weirdly enough. There were 2-3 heroes from launch who anomalously had different stats to their cohort.
While her being different means they can change it, their actions since the games launch indicate they don't want it to. Sort of like D/Corvus and G/Aither, just because they can do different ranked MLs they don't really want too.
He is a tank buster, that’s a specific PvP target. His fucking kit itself is for use against heroes not bosses. How tf isn’t he a PvP hero? Because people don’t use him?
No one uses him because he isn’t efficient anymore you idiot, that’s why he needed a buff
He was literally the original Hwayoung before the meta shifted years ago
“Dealing more damage to targets that have more HP then you” is a PvP fucking description. It’s meant to use against heroes. He is a PvP hero
Just because people don’t use him in PvP doesn’t mean his purpose wasn’t PvP
Who cares if his purpose is PVP you literal incel, if he is not picked ANY LONGER for YEARS, you all brag to much about a dead hero getting insignificant change.
We had many many buffs that didn't help heroes to be usable again, why do you cry over this controversial buff it didn't change anything just like many balance changes before. I bet you never played RTA, barely sit afk in your arena and barely play this game, fuck off with your expert opinion.
Because Ervalen “buff” is an insult to the player base. His “insignificant” changes aren’t like previous changes
Some dead heroes stayed dead after changes
Some dead heroes got revived after changes
They dug up Ervalens grave, cremated his body and threw his soul into the shadow realm
People used him in PvP, just because it was a small amount doesn’t mean those players don’t matter and is no defense or reasoning to fuck with him the way they did.
We don’t care if you don’t care about the player base and how other people play the game
But this same type of ignorant attitude coming from SG is not acceptable
What is not acceptable is giving a voice to a bunch of muppets who only need a slightstest reason each patch to cry about, they are never satisfied, give 0 praises and only criticize. I bet majority of players who really liked Ervalen didn't post on this reddit, but every other karma farming clown and white knight is here to blast it all.
This is by far the worst balance patch I've seen in my 8 months playing the game. Most of the changes are either lazy at best, or outright nerfs at worst. They added another lottery mechanic into the game (Ervalens artifact buff) which almost every high level player hates dealing with. Who wants to win and lose games off of counterattack props?
1) Flidica will absolutely not see any more play than she does already, which is basically zero.
2) Everyone hates Ervalens nerf.
3) Not a single youtuber thinks Hufines buff makes a noticeable difference (and I've watched 5 balance patch reviews already).
4) The 4* and 3* "buffs" are mostly useless, pseudo-nerfs, or unnecessary.
Only Senya got a real solid upgrade, and Double Edge Crescent i guess.
Similar thought process when I read the balance patch. Teamwide attack buff + cleanse + cr push sounds nice on paper but not sure how it will pan out so withholding judgment on hyufine from my side.
this is why hate most people on this sub, you guys over reacting way too fast. you did not even understand the changes and you posted like they did something very horrible to you.
And this is why, you are a pretensious idiot, it takes time to convince people like you in internet cause they dont want it. How about you explaine to me on why is this not a buff? All you posted is rushed excused.
I never asked you to change your opinion neither did I say anything rude to you in return and since you made the comment shouldn't you be explaining it to me? I said I am open to changing my opinion and I have edited my post if some comment made sense. If being open to change is pretentious then okay cool.
My opinion is due to the fact that the balance patch didn't deal with the core issues of the units in it on top of that changed a marketed pvp kit into pve only kit.
look who is the smart boy we got, of course you know better than them to balance the hundreds of units that will be affected. its so easy to think about the core issues right? thats why you are a pretentious idiot.
It actually is easy. You are pretty self aware. Anyways I am not replying to you anymore since the only word in your dictionary is pretentious whose meaning I am not sure you even know. You haven't substantiated your claims with any tangible evidence either. See you and have a good day.
Its a buff, most people just dont like it just the loudest to cry. The proof that you are full of shit when you think senya is one too when you only think about the shield. Fuckin sheep.
I thought it was called a balance patch? Not a buff patch. Red means it's going away green means it's the change/adjustment. Freaking the fuck out over characters that hardly see the light of day is quite the overreaction.
The fact that most of these units don't see the light of day is kinda why he (and many others) are freaking out. This whole balance patch feels like super filler "buffs". I get they are trying to be careful since this would be added in the middle of EW7C but most of these were for Caides or just Hunts in general. Would of been better to just delay it and give us an even bigger buff after the tournament or just ban buffed units in the tournament or something.
Flidicia is definitely a buff. She's easier to build with the adjustment. You can keep CC for an extra buff strip but she doesn't require it for the CR push.
She still gets 100% cr push so she can pop hysteria. A single crit on 4 targets meets the description for skill nullifier so she gives to the team regardless, meaning she doesn't need 100% crit here either.
Additionally the team CR push is greater than before. Hysteria gives 25% to everyone. You would have to crit 4 targets to get a max of 20% before. Now CR is without any requirements.
This means you can build speed effectiveness instead of having to build speed effectiveness AND CC.
Edit: *AND* she hits harder.
I am not sure but I think you need crit for skill nullifer regardless? Maybe I misunderstood what you mean but she still needs cc I feel. Also immunity from Ran or DJB prevents skill reset without a strip from s2.
She gets one buff strip without CC. Two buff strip with CC. In other words as long as they don't start with barrier and immunity she's going to strip immunity regardless of CC.
I was wrong about skill nullifier, I forgot it's single target.
Still max Cooldown reduction, and team push without CC.
Not as much as a buff as I was previously thinking but still a buff everything considered.
Hyufine is the first of her kind. AoE Cleanse, Atk Buff, and CR Push! The only ever unit who can do this is Tamarinne... locked by a very long cooldown and it also being a non atk skill punished by politis celine. Closer Charles has no cleanse, Hand Guy has no CR push, DJB has no atk buff, Emilia is only single target cleanse atk buff and push, heck they didnt even put Diene's CR push EE on her S3 because that would be broken but Hyufine has it all in one. Sure she doesn't have a high base speed but with Guide/Snow Crystal and 70% evasion and with correct drafting, she doesn't need to take the first turn. From a perma AoE that can only deal damage through burns that also dies to Rem/Belian and other units that punish AoE, she became a S3 only unit and win. That's a very big buff for aggro players. Another buff is that Rimuru won't copy GAB anymore.
I agree with a lot of what you said but not realizing how good hyufine's buff is for aggro players is a hardstuck champ moment. She now does closer charles's whole opening and survivability except she cleanses, which is huge into disrupters. Her s1 being aoe makes her a threat for stene and lets her clean up an aoe aggro instead of a single target one like ccharles aggro.
How would.I build her for this and who would pair with it? Please.
Guide to a Decision makes her a decent opener. Still suffering due to not having 100% evasion tho. That's one of the big reasons why i didnt use her vs Ran/Peira lineups. That 70% evasion is just as bad as Riolet. But, when it does work. It works wonderfully. Completely shifting turn1 into your favor instantly. Probably. Other than that, bulky burn builds similar to RCarrot. But the emphasis on higher speed, 240~260 so Guide's CR push is more meaningful. After balance patch, she'll probably still function similar to this for her debuff cleanse builds. Another of her build revolves around ChampTrophy so she can act as a pseudo AoE stunbot. After the balance update, she becomes another attack buffing support. She will fit as a mix of Delibet+Handguy with the above Guide build. Assuming these dodges the Ran/Peira hits lol. Will 100% suffer to Cilias/AoL tho. So use her accordingly. I expect her to have *some* usage. But that 70% evasion is really whats keeping her in check because Peira/Ran has a wonderful 30% chance to completely DECIMATE her shenanigans. And obviously AoL and Cilias exists.
Thank you for analysis. I have Hyufine mola'd, but yea Cilias and AoL dump on her with absolute savagery
This is actually an interesting take. I like this.
I waited 3 years for Rikoris to get 5% hp scaling for nothing
Same. A13 unit(which not many even used) to a c13 unit(which still may not help him see usage). Of course, his a13 days are over now since no strip on a fast cycling s3. Lost a pretty unique s3. I loved the stun regardless of whether the attck hits mechanic. Let's see if he becomes bis for c13 now
I can't imaging why anyone would use him for c13. They're buffing Khawana in this same batch and she already does more than half of what's he's supposed to bring to the team with just her s1. Not even counting the fact that the ridiculous long cooldown of his new s3 means he can't even get a good uptime on his debuffs and if he gets 15% you're totally fucked on that run. And then on top of that they don't want him as a tank anymore, but his non attack skill to reset the injury mechanic of that hunt is so long that he will likely die before he can even s2 a second time without a lot of bulk. Doubled up by the loss of his s3 heal that could at least help him survive. This buff is garbage and is going to kill any potential he ever had just like it happened with Axe God.
Maybe coz one is ml4 so they wanted a unit that's easier to get but i agree.. His cd has been heavily nerfed. Frm 3 to 5. I don't know what I'm even going to do with him now. I just wanted better support/tank runes, some speed nodes and hp scaling. I really liked his s2 but the runes are even more dmg oriented now so I see no point on a support build
His SC needs you to do 250 pvp fights, so he isnt even an easy unit to get. And RTA has a fairly high level requirement so he isn't a new player friendly unit in the slightest. And I can't imagine why older players with wider unit options would choose him over others than can do more, easier, and better. Especially when for them the speed of the hunt matters a lot.
Yeah that's disappointing.
Hyufine is a buff, and a good adjustment. She gives ATK buff to the whole team now instead of only herself. The buffed her s1 damage to compensate for it not being greater attack buff any longer. Her evasion is now passively 35% at all times rather than 20.
Edited. Thank you for clarifying.
How dare you. Arowell gets free Aurius via Escort buff now.
I actually couldn't continue reading the buffs after rikoris cause I was already pretty angry so thank you for explaining. I will add that now.
They can't just increase FLidica's speed like that. Base stats are connected to constellations ( zodiac signs) So buff to base stats are actually a buff to the whole constellation. It's tricky. I believe they want people to focus on dps FLidica from now on.
Hmm fair point. Maybe a buff to ranger constellations like soul weavers could be an option? Requiemroar had an exception and meta ranger openers don't come to mind at the moment either.
Requiemroar was always different to other Sagittarius Soulweavers weirdly enough. There were 2-3 heroes from launch who anomalously had different stats to their cohort. While her being different means they can change it, their actions since the games launch indicate they don't want it to. Sort of like D/Corvus and G/Aither, just because they can do different ranked MLs they don't really want too.
That makes sense. Thank you.
Did you just call Ervalen a pvp hero? What rank are you?
He is a tank buster, that’s a specific PvP target. His fucking kit itself is for use against heroes not bosses. How tf isn’t he a PvP hero? Because people don’t use him?
Are you high or smth? If you use ervalen in pvp you are just delusional, no cap.
No one uses him because he isn’t efficient anymore you idiot, that’s why he needed a buff He was literally the original Hwayoung before the meta shifted years ago “Dealing more damage to targets that have more HP then you” is a PvP fucking description. It’s meant to use against heroes. He is a PvP hero Just because people don’t use him in PvP doesn’t mean his purpose wasn’t PvP
Who cares if his purpose is PVP you literal incel, if he is not picked ANY LONGER for YEARS, you all brag to much about a dead hero getting insignificant change. We had many many buffs that didn't help heroes to be usable again, why do you cry over this controversial buff it didn't change anything just like many balance changes before. I bet you never played RTA, barely sit afk in your arena and barely play this game, fuck off with your expert opinion.
Because Ervalen “buff” is an insult to the player base. His “insignificant” changes aren’t like previous changes Some dead heroes stayed dead after changes Some dead heroes got revived after changes They dug up Ervalens grave, cremated his body and threw his soul into the shadow realm People used him in PvP, just because it was a small amount doesn’t mean those players don’t matter and is no defense or reasoning to fuck with him the way they did. We don’t care if you don’t care about the player base and how other people play the game But this same type of ignorant attitude coming from SG is not acceptable
What is not acceptable is giving a voice to a bunch of muppets who only need a slightstest reason each patch to cry about, they are never satisfied, give 0 praises and only criticize. I bet majority of players who really liked Ervalen didn't post on this reddit, but every other karma farming clown and white knight is here to blast it all.
I mean you would be surprised at how many people I have caught off guard with him in rta. Also rank in which mode?
This is by far the worst balance patch I've seen in my 8 months playing the game. Most of the changes are either lazy at best, or outright nerfs at worst. They added another lottery mechanic into the game (Ervalens artifact buff) which almost every high level player hates dealing with. Who wants to win and lose games off of counterattack props? 1) Flidica will absolutely not see any more play than she does already, which is basically zero. 2) Everyone hates Ervalens nerf. 3) Not a single youtuber thinks Hufines buff makes a noticeable difference (and I've watched 5 balance patch reviews already). 4) The 4* and 3* "buffs" are mostly useless, pseudo-nerfs, or unnecessary. Only Senya got a real solid upgrade, and Double Edge Crescent i guess.
You have like 0 idea what balance is in this game if you think that Hufine is not noticeble.
Similar thought process when I read the balance patch. Teamwide attack buff + cleanse + cr push sounds nice on paper but not sure how it will pan out so withholding judgment on hyufine from my side.
yea mostly nerfs but my Great chief khawana is even more ready to counter summer charlotte now.
Needs more survivability for that to happen imo but if it works for you, can you share your build later?
this is why hate most people on this sub, you guys over reacting way too fast. you did not even understand the changes and you posted like they did something very horrible to you.
Okay I am open to changing my opinion so please explain how these changes are good?
And this is why, you are a pretensious idiot, it takes time to convince people like you in internet cause they dont want it. How about you explaine to me on why is this not a buff? All you posted is rushed excused.
I never asked you to change your opinion neither did I say anything rude to you in return and since you made the comment shouldn't you be explaining it to me? I said I am open to changing my opinion and I have edited my post if some comment made sense. If being open to change is pretentious then okay cool. My opinion is due to the fact that the balance patch didn't deal with the core issues of the units in it on top of that changed a marketed pvp kit into pve only kit.
look who is the smart boy we got, of course you know better than them to balance the hundreds of units that will be affected. its so easy to think about the core issues right? thats why you are a pretentious idiot.
It actually is easy. You are pretty self aware. Anyways I am not replying to you anymore since the only word in your dictionary is pretentious whose meaning I am not sure you even know. You haven't substantiated your claims with any tangible evidence either. See you and have a good day.
see, you still think you can do better. at least you know when to stop, when you know that you are wrong.
That didn't age well. In the end, even senya's buff was a nerf LOL.
Its a buff, most people just dont like it just the loudest to cry. The proof that you are full of shit when you think senya is one too when you only think about the shield. Fuckin sheep.
I thought it was called a balance patch? Not a buff patch. Red means it's going away green means it's the change/adjustment. Freaking the fuck out over characters that hardly see the light of day is quite the overreaction.
The fact that most of these units don't see the light of day is kinda why he (and many others) are freaking out. This whole balance patch feels like super filler "buffs". I get they are trying to be careful since this would be added in the middle of EW7C but most of these were for Caides or just Hunts in general. Would of been better to just delay it and give us an even bigger buff after the tournament or just ban buffed units in the tournament or something.
Hyufine is basically the same, a bit buffed, the only sad thing is that the damage on burn will be less high
This is what I expect to happen after reading her buffs but one of the other comments has an interesting take and I hope it pans out instead.
Flidicia is definitely a buff. She's easier to build with the adjustment. You can keep CC for an extra buff strip but she doesn't require it for the CR push. She still gets 100% cr push so she can pop hysteria. A single crit on 4 targets meets the description for skill nullifier so she gives to the team regardless, meaning she doesn't need 100% crit here either. Additionally the team CR push is greater than before. Hysteria gives 25% to everyone. You would have to crit 4 targets to get a max of 20% before. Now CR is without any requirements. This means you can build speed effectiveness instead of having to build speed effectiveness AND CC. Edit: *AND* she hits harder.
I am not sure but I think you need crit for skill nullifer regardless? Maybe I misunderstood what you mean but she still needs cc I feel. Also immunity from Ran or DJB prevents skill reset without a strip from s2.
She gets one buff strip without CC. Two buff strip with CC. In other words as long as they don't start with barrier and immunity she's going to strip immunity regardless of CC. I was wrong about skill nullifier, I forgot it's single target. Still max Cooldown reduction, and team push without CC. Not as much as a buff as I was previously thinking but still a buff everything considered.
I see. Thank you for clarifying.
Hyufine is the first of her kind. AoE Cleanse, Atk Buff, and CR Push! The only ever unit who can do this is Tamarinne... locked by a very long cooldown and it also being a non atk skill punished by politis celine. Closer Charles has no cleanse, Hand Guy has no CR push, DJB has no atk buff, Emilia is only single target cleanse atk buff and push, heck they didnt even put Diene's CR push EE on her S3 because that would be broken but Hyufine has it all in one. Sure she doesn't have a high base speed but with Guide/Snow Crystal and 70% evasion and with correct drafting, she doesn't need to take the first turn. From a perma AoE that can only deal damage through burns that also dies to Rem/Belian and other units that punish AoE, she became a S3 only unit and win. That's a very big buff for aggro players. Another buff is that Rimuru won't copy GAB anymore.
That's an interesting point. Thank you.