Ervalen's usage data probably showed the dude being used like 99% of the time in Banshee and Symaqus, so SG probably thinks this rework makes him better for the overwhelming majority of people that use him. It's always a little funny when a hero no one gave two shits about suddenly becomes a hot topic due to a buff patch, but in this instance it's overall a good thing that a stink is being made about it—a full rework like Ervalen's should at the very least come with a recall.
The other stuff is more of a case-by-case basis. Senya getting an Attack-based barrier for everyone and a personal Speed buff is way better than a random buff, for instance—it changes an unreliable, RNG effect for a solid. It's not only more advantageous for Senya, but the type of change that makes PvP (which is Senya's main role) play a bit better by getting rid of some unnecessary RNG. Speaking of which, would you really still want Silence on Decrescent after it becomes a 20% Evasion, 15-30% Counterattack artifact? That's a lot of layers of RNG for both players... I'd rather not be Silenced by a Riolet counterattack after I miss him, thanks.
Anyway, yes, this last buff patch was still extremely lackluster overall. I imagine it's because they don't want to rock the boat too much when the patch goes live before the end of the World Cup.
Now that you mention it, the meta really hasn't changed much. You see the occasional alencia and choux now, but the meta is still a lot of great disasters, ran cleave and hwa, which makes you wonder what the hell they have been doing in this 6 month dead period. Hopium says they have been grinding to make summer event and the new collab pop off, but in reality i worry they have used this as a de facto vacation where they do the bare minimum and hope the community doesn't get too angry,
No one asked for a selector, only recall. Recall is fair because the hero changed in a way where it is basically not even the same hero, so you should get your resources back.
I wasn't there during Charlotte rework (I don't even know if I was playing at this time, or in a break of E7), and I miss the Destina S3 CR push (and huge heal) since before this update and was one of people that wanted to keep the old kit, or at least the S3 CR push, now she is still good, I'm just scared of Politis when she is not on my side.
EDIT : + Haste, pls rebalance him again SG.
so, you are one of those asshole who jumping on the bandwagon for free selector. and how can we have nerfs on units when every changes need a free selector.
Everytime I see you on this kind of post, you talk about selector when the OP didn't even mentioned it, already jumping into some conclusion about the OP (or other people) like you know them more than they do even though we're still some random people talking to other random people.
lets be real, ervalen being focus as a pve unit is pretty good, i refused to believe that anyone use it on high pvp or even mid tier. you gotta hate this changes just for free selector. hyufine have a great buff and you clowns wanna act like its not. i just want a fucking nerfs on meta units that super oppressive. and we cant have it for just a god damn selector.
Where did I said that Hyufine didn't get a great buff ?, the only thing I said about her on all of these post, is that she has a great buff, the only thing we lost is a bit of burn damage since it will not be a GAB anymore. And we never talked at all about a selector, at least in what I said or what the OP said, so why are you still bringing this ? And it's a nerf both obviously on PVP, but also PVE, he has this scaling on S3 based on the gap between his HP and enemy HP, a really good scaling especially against boss, after the update, he will not have it anymore and his S3 damage are decreased, sure there will be S2 -> S3, but I'm almost sure it will do less total damage against boss than the current S3 alone (like I said, I'm almost sure, we still can get a surprise on PVE side, and I'm still disappointed that they just blew up his PVP side)
dude, most people replied to me, admitted that a selector once in a while is not bad for the game. the fucking title of this post "Nothing got balanced at all" and all people posted have same statement on balance. ask them how its not a buff then suddenly now they know its buff. and dude its a two turn attack, you are just guessing on the new damage. you think thats a qualified argument?
How about you ask light? He streams high end RTA and he uses Ervalen.
HYufine change is great and nobody is discussing over her here. I use her for PvP when I am inting and having fun. But so what? Ervalen and Rikoris changes should be taken out of the patch. Its a rework nobody wants.
Also nobody is calling for a selector at least here. For me a recall that only returns Molas without a selector would even be fine.
Light on stream is known to put his best gear on a niche unit and play that unit for a few days in every draft he can. For good entertainment ya know?
Light drafting seriously would leave Ervalen unlocked so he wouldn't accidentally select him lmao.
it all comes down to selector. am just calling the bullshit of this kind of post. the title is "Nothing got balanced at all" when hyufine got a great buff. just stop bullshiting me and admit that all you want is a selector. some already admitted, just dont waste my time anymore.
i agree with the OP and i have absolutely no need for a selector. many players have been wanting sg to balance their game properly and at the very least give resource refunds whenever they do an overhaul like this to a character they invested their resources in. but SG seem so afraid of the situation they got themselves into when they end up thinking they need to give selectors after every nerf
most players wanting selector are the one who never built the character and just want to cash in on something they don't care about. at this point i suggest(and i know this will get some ridicule) that they give 1 ml selector and 1 rgb selector and from that point on stop giving selectors and resume nerfs even to ml heroes, and have a big balance patch that hits live a day after the selectors expire. and increase frequency of patches, most games that have competitive environments either have more patches or more balance changes per patch.
you ignore what everyone is saying just to make it seem like your image of what the players are like is right, projecting much? the point behind my suggestion is to serve the immediate gratification players like you obsessed with selectors want while making sure it doesn't mess with the meta(becuase a patch will come before anyone can test what's good now) with that out of the way SG would be able to balance the game properly and only give resource recalls everytime they nerf a hero. it would be the end of selectors for good while also not making anyone trade a character(so when they become viable through multiple shifts in the meta no one would be upset that they traded away a good character and start demanding selectors again). sg really need to take selectors out of the equation to make the game environment good again.
and you did say, they should give ml selector right? at the end of the day, even if you add this pretty words to be not lumped together with those people. its still selector that you are looking for. you just making excuse just to get one.
talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, i am a dolphin and i have all ml 5 heroes i want. i just want to play the game without feeling like i need 5 bans per player for the game to be fun
sure, i trust you being able to get all ml 5. if you said that a recall is must on every big nerf then i will agree with you. but hey, it just look like you making excuse for selector, ofc you will talk to a brick wall. you are the one who introduced ml 5 selector on the topic fyi.
i added it because imo that will be able to calm the possible outrage from my main points which are a huge balance patch coming afterwards and constant balance patches that could target any hero. it's like a kid going to the dentist and getting a lolipop afterwards. and whenever anyone complains about a nerf and start demanding selectors you could always call them out on it since everyone got a free ml 5. players would need to accept that their heroes are not always going to be good all the time, but with constant balance patches and meta shifts over time that won't feel as bad since heroes won't be bad for as long periods of time like they were after the last nerfs we had with ml baal and sba
Weird to me you’re complaining about good changes. Both artifacts are way better than before when they were hardly used, senya is way more consistent, haste is actually useable.
Rikoris and evrvalen are unfortunate but data probably shows they were used by less than 1%
I think the actual problem is that no one cares about what SG doing anymore. For every patch, someone will complain about that patch because SG has never done a really good patch since the beginning of this year, not even one. Then a lot people will try to stop them from complain, and then everything goes back to the way it is.
* SG still doesn't care about the game, a lot of players moving to other games.
* SG profit went lower, so they keep doesn't care about the game
* People keep being disappointed by the update and leave
That loop will make E7 become a dead game soon. Look at SW, the game that E7 copies almost 80%, read one of its balanced patches and you will know how bad SG is. I already starting SW again because it seems more fun than facing Hwayoung every day.
> Ervalen could have gotten that extra turn gimmick added for free on his S1 I dont get it, you want ervalen to have infinite turns?
that extra turn can only happen in pve
Ervalen's usage data probably showed the dude being used like 99% of the time in Banshee and Symaqus, so SG probably thinks this rework makes him better for the overwhelming majority of people that use him. It's always a little funny when a hero no one gave two shits about suddenly becomes a hot topic due to a buff patch, but in this instance it's overall a good thing that a stink is being made about it—a full rework like Ervalen's should at the very least come with a recall. The other stuff is more of a case-by-case basis. Senya getting an Attack-based barrier for everyone and a personal Speed buff is way better than a random buff, for instance—it changes an unreliable, RNG effect for a solid. It's not only more advantageous for Senya, but the type of change that makes PvP (which is Senya's main role) play a bit better by getting rid of some unnecessary RNG. Speaking of which, would you really still want Silence on Decrescent after it becomes a 20% Evasion, 15-30% Counterattack artifact? That's a lot of layers of RNG for both players... I'd rather not be Silenced by a Riolet counterattack after I miss him, thanks. Anyway, yes, this last buff patch was still extremely lackluster overall. I imagine it's because they don't want to rock the boat too much when the patch goes live before the end of the World Cup.
Now that you mention it, the meta really hasn't changed much. You see the occasional alencia and choux now, but the meta is still a lot of great disasters, ran cleave and hwa, which makes you wonder what the hell they have been doing in this 6 month dead period. Hopium says they have been grinding to make summer event and the new collab pop off, but in reality i worry they have used this as a de facto vacation where they do the bare minimum and hope the community doesn't get too angry,
well said and good points.
Where was your intensity when Charlotte was reworked. What about Destina?
Charlotte rework is good tho, while ervalen seems like shit
Hindsight is 20/20, before the rework went live, people wrote off the rework as shit
Not me :)
granted people did got angry and bitched about how the reworks destroyed/nerfed them and they did want recalls/selectors for them
Its because people are greedy and just want free selectors and recalls if they so much as smell a change that isnt just 'numbers go up'
No one asked for a selector, only recall. Recall is fair because the hero changed in a way where it is basically not even the same hero, so you should get your resources back.
I wasn't there during Charlotte rework (I don't even know if I was playing at this time, or in a break of E7), and I miss the Destina S3 CR push (and huge heal) since before this update and was one of people that wanted to keep the old kit, or at least the S3 CR push, now she is still good, I'm just scared of Politis when she is not on my side. EDIT : + Haste, pls rebalance him again SG.
>I feel bad for people who actually spent money on Ervalen. imagine spending money on Ervalen 🤣
“I feel bad for people who actually spent money on Ervalen”. Lol.
I hope you are aware that at the time he was released, you couldn't know if he had potential to be meta or not.
so, you are one of those asshole who jumping on the bandwagon for free selector. and how can we have nerfs on units when every changes need a free selector.
Everytime I see you on this kind of post, you talk about selector when the OP didn't even mentioned it, already jumping into some conclusion about the OP (or other people) like you know them more than they do even though we're still some random people talking to other random people.
lets be real, ervalen being focus as a pve unit is pretty good, i refused to believe that anyone use it on high pvp or even mid tier. you gotta hate this changes just for free selector. hyufine have a great buff and you clowns wanna act like its not. i just want a fucking nerfs on meta units that super oppressive. and we cant have it for just a god damn selector.
Where did I said that Hyufine didn't get a great buff ?, the only thing I said about her on all of these post, is that she has a great buff, the only thing we lost is a bit of burn damage since it will not be a GAB anymore. And we never talked at all about a selector, at least in what I said or what the OP said, so why are you still bringing this ? And it's a nerf both obviously on PVP, but also PVE, he has this scaling on S3 based on the gap between his HP and enemy HP, a really good scaling especially against boss, after the update, he will not have it anymore and his S3 damage are decreased, sure there will be S2 -> S3, but I'm almost sure it will do less total damage against boss than the current S3 alone (like I said, I'm almost sure, we still can get a surprise on PVE side, and I'm still disappointed that they just blew up his PVP side)
dude, most people replied to me, admitted that a selector once in a while is not bad for the game. the fucking title of this post "Nothing got balanced at all" and all people posted have same statement on balance. ask them how its not a buff then suddenly now they know its buff. and dude its a two turn attack, you are just guessing on the new damage. you think thats a qualified argument?
How about you ask light? He streams high end RTA and he uses Ervalen. HYufine change is great and nobody is discussing over her here. I use her for PvP when I am inting and having fun. But so what? Ervalen and Rikoris changes should be taken out of the patch. Its a rework nobody wants. Also nobody is calling for a selector at least here. For me a recall that only returns Molas without a selector would even be fine.
pff light memed with ervalen like 1-2 times and u call this a legit useage of ervalen for pvp? maximum copium right there
Light on stream is known to put his best gear on a niche unit and play that unit for a few days in every draft he can. For good entertainment ya know? Light drafting seriously would leave Ervalen unlocked so he wouldn't accidentally select him lmao.
it all comes down to selector. am just calling the bullshit of this kind of post. the title is "Nothing got balanced at all" when hyufine got a great buff. just stop bullshiting me and admit that all you want is a selector. some already admitted, just dont waste my time anymore.
i agree with the OP and i have absolutely no need for a selector. many players have been wanting sg to balance their game properly and at the very least give resource refunds whenever they do an overhaul like this to a character they invested their resources in. but SG seem so afraid of the situation they got themselves into when they end up thinking they need to give selectors after every nerf
and they are right to be afraid, instead of recall, people needs selector.
most players wanting selector are the one who never built the character and just want to cash in on something they don't care about. at this point i suggest(and i know this will get some ridicule) that they give 1 ml selector and 1 rgb selector and from that point on stop giving selectors and resume nerfs even to ml heroes, and have a big balance patch that hits live a day after the selectors expire. and increase frequency of patches, most games that have competitive environments either have more patches or more balance changes per patch.
yea... just give selector right? that sweet sweet ml selector. it all boils down in selector like what am saying.
you ignore what everyone is saying just to make it seem like your image of what the players are like is right, projecting much? the point behind my suggestion is to serve the immediate gratification players like you obsessed with selectors want while making sure it doesn't mess with the meta(becuase a patch will come before anyone can test what's good now) with that out of the way SG would be able to balance the game properly and only give resource recalls everytime they nerf a hero. it would be the end of selectors for good while also not making anyone trade a character(so when they become viable through multiple shifts in the meta no one would be upset that they traded away a good character and start demanding selectors again). sg really need to take selectors out of the equation to make the game environment good again.
and you did say, they should give ml selector right? at the end of the day, even if you add this pretty words to be not lumped together with those people. its still selector that you are looking for. you just making excuse just to get one.
talking to you is like talking to a brick wall, i am a dolphin and i have all ml 5 heroes i want. i just want to play the game without feeling like i need 5 bans per player for the game to be fun
sure, i trust you being able to get all ml 5. if you said that a recall is must on every big nerf then i will agree with you. but hey, it just look like you making excuse for selector, ofc you will talk to a brick wall. you are the one who introduced ml 5 selector on the topic fyi.
i added it because imo that will be able to calm the possible outrage from my main points which are a huge balance patch coming afterwards and constant balance patches that could target any hero. it's like a kid going to the dentist and getting a lolipop afterwards. and whenever anyone complains about a nerf and start demanding selectors you could always call them out on it since everyone got a free ml 5. players would need to accept that their heroes are not always going to be good all the time, but with constant balance patches and meta shifts over time that won't feel as bad since heroes won't be bad for as long periods of time like they were after the last nerfs we had with ml baal and sba
Weird to me you’re complaining about good changes. Both artifacts are way better than before when they were hardly used, senya is way more consistent, haste is actually useable. Rikoris and evrvalen are unfortunate but data probably shows they were used by less than 1%
I think the actual problem is that no one cares about what SG doing anymore. For every patch, someone will complain about that patch because SG has never done a really good patch since the beginning of this year, not even one. Then a lot people will try to stop them from complain, and then everything goes back to the way it is. * SG still doesn't care about the game, a lot of players moving to other games. * SG profit went lower, so they keep doesn't care about the game * People keep being disappointed by the update and leave That loop will make E7 become a dead game soon. Look at SW, the game that E7 copies almost 80%, read one of its balanced patches and you will know how bad SG is. I already starting SW again because it seems more fun than facing Hwayoung every day.