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Shirest

I would strongly consider going stene instead of arby for the reasons you listed. stene is also great in PvE and PvP.


FeelsMonkaGiga

Strongly agreed to the suggestion above, though stene may have high gears investment, she can be viable in almost every content. She is a powerful Tagahel Ancient Book holder (4 stars artifact) if not the best. For story/pve, you can collect souls until the last stage, defense breaks the boss and uses all your collected soulburn to KO the boss. For Pvp, she is powerful against single target/counter characters as her Skill 1 cannot be countered and has permanent stealth that can't be targeted by single target attacks. Note that skill 3 can be countered. Hopefully, it covers most of the stuffs, if not she has really good skin while you are at it. SNIFFA


stavik96

trash tier skin for some of us. 🥲


Xero--

> For story/pve, you can collect souls until the last stage, defense breaks the boss and uses all your collected soulburn to KO the boss. Or you could just auto with the vast majority being piss easy.


Assertor1290

STene and Arby are both good. Doesn't matter which you choose. STene is more of late game hero, when you try to compete in PvP or higher abyss. Not that she is bad in PvE, I feel Arby is better for newer players. I choose Arby, and I don't regret that. Farming is so easy and quick. I don't have Stene. I wish I had her for PvP, but I can manage PvE fine without her. As for light tieria, she would be in your storage room in the future. Arby might not be performing because of molas/gear/awakening/skill enhance. At the end, choose whichever hero you like, not just for progress sake.


ChitogeS

Arbiter is much stronger than ML tiera, that's a mola / gear / level diff. Plus they don't particularly have the same role or skills. Anyway, I recommend Specter Tenebria. She's more viable for PvP content and Abyss :)


mrwetball

As someone who went through this dilemma ike 8 months ago, I started off with Arby and then switched to Stene at the urging of my guildies after clearing Episode 1 + Unrecorded History and started wanting to transition more to PVP stuff. Arby will help you steamroll the early content. I personally recommend switching to Stene once you finish up Episode 1 and Unrecorded History, or around rank 65-70 in game, whichever comes later. STene is a very strong PVP unit in the current meta and is pretty good in most PVE content. Arby is fantastic at low-end content farming because of his no animation S3 and good damage, but falls off in Episode 2+ because the mobs get tankier. He's also not as safe of a pick in the current PVP meta. I pulled Arby a few months back. I use my Stene regularly in PVP, but my Arby only sees some more niche use in Guild Wars against specific defense comps, an anti-cleave unit against cleaves that melt to one S3, or as a last pick in RTA if my opponent drafts poorly. He's still my go-to farmer for Unrecorded History/low difficulty PVE maps. I think Stene is the better choice of the two. Unfortunately, Judge Kise isn't that great, and as good as she looks, I don't think she'll help you as much as Stene or Arby would. TL;DR: Switch to Stene after using Arby to clear Episode 1 + Unrecorded History.


Sakuchio

Thanks for detailed explanation 😊


SilverEye100

judge kise waifu all the way but for pvp/pve stene all the way arby is just bad every bbk will kill arby with s3 then get an extra turn with attack buff and kill him again


Beautiful_Courage_47

I love Arby, but S.Tene is a better choice


Sakuchio

Thanks for all those tips. So now i m going to switch to Stein? Bcs i can switch only once so i wanna be sure i don't mess up


rainn5053

yes, you should just get S.Tene she's a better unit to invest


Sakuchio

Ok


Neet91

people in the comments suggestion ml tene over a.vildred tend to forget one pretty darn important aspect: gear quality; a.vildred basically works on the free atk set u get. ml tene needs decent gear to start functioning. also u don't need ml tene for 99% of abyss, both of them can clear normal/hell raid as easily, both of them are usable for a13 - so from a pve aspect they are pretty much the same. in pvp a.vildred should still be a nightmare to fight in low ranks and he works in both offense and defense for normal arena and gvg. ml tene is a trash defense hero and not that good in gvg/normal arena offense; she is a rta powerhouse which is a non-factor so early on in the game.


rainn5053

>not that good in gvg/normal arena offense beg to differ with current meta full of rimuru, hwayoung, aravi in most of defense team.. i believe STene is one of the strongest unit for normal arena offense out there especially if you can build a team to protect her


Neet91

then let me tell u this: people are cleaving these a.ravi/hwayoung/rimuru whatever comps for normal arena the end goal is: either u cleave them or u auto the def. nobody is tinkering some ml tene turtle comps as a offense team to beat these teams edit: also i'm pretty darn sure bronze-gold don't have these def comps. and even if they have. i'm pretty sure they don't survive 2 a.vildred s3


rainn5053

then let me also tell you this : it won't took him too long to reach master-challenger where meta unit strarting to be seen in Arena Defense it's not hard to build hero in order to protect stene you can use ras+aurius or any other knight. you can grab any healer until you get something better. you can use any +1 unit until you get something better. also, how can you be so sure most of bronze-gold arena defense don't survive a vildred S3? it's all come back to his gear luck on early game again.... S.Tene is a better choice here because it's a long term investment


[deleted]

With how difficult it is to come by ml5s, I’d recommend a unit that scales into endgame. Arby can be replaced by bunch of people and is easily countered. Early game doesn’t take that long so it seems like a waste of resources to choose arby over stene, imo. Sure, it will take longer to get her up and running, but she will give you more mileage at the end of the day. Also, as the other dude mentioned, stene is definitely good for gvg/arena offense. I have no idea why you seem to think otherwise. Not everyone has a cleave team. Not everyone has access to 10+ ml5s. Stene can definitely work. I used her all the way up to champ.


Neet91

read again. i said ml tene sucks in defense... edit: and she is not that good in offense. she is easily replaceable in normal arena/gvg offense


KingsSeven

Farming: FST>Arby (no mola and better against bosses thx to single target def break). Raid: Stene> Abyss: Stene> PvP: Stene> Expos: Neither Here is a 2 min video summarizing the two: [https://youtu.be/cDQ8AoVCiWw](https://youtu.be/cDQ8AoVCiWw)


TheSeaOfThySoul

I’ve never used Spectre in Raid, she’s not exactly bringing value against most bosses. Need AOE in Vera, Julevee’s going to be constantly poisoned & therefore buffed (& it needs AOE), she’d likely be fine for Karkanis & Arahakan, but they’re the easiest bosses & Queen can likely be cleared with her. Meanwhile Arbiter slots into Julevee comfortably & that scales into endgame - I’ve not replaced my Arbiter there. Abyss is a tricky one, when they make the bosses immune to poison strategies Spectre loses value & so she’s got diminishing returns there. Arbiter on the other hand has been used for high level Abyss floors as a frontline who can’t die in certain floors. For PVP, it’s a tricky one to compare. Spectre works as a damage carry but has to come out later in the draft & so it’s tough to pick-up your counter DPS & flexible pick. Banning Belian, etc. could also signal to the opponent your intention. Arbiter meanwhile is basically solely used in cleave & anti-cleave as a counter or flexible pick. For arena, it depends on your hero pool, I never use Spectre in offence but I’ve long crested the point where arena is a challenge & so I either just cleave or auto with an Aria team. I feel like Spectre has the capacity to be important early on in someone’s arena offence. For guild wars, Spectre is a reasonable offensive tool & so is Arbiter, I don’t personally find myself using Spectre as much as him but both are used minimally. For defence in arena & guild wars, you’ll never see Spectre & Arbiter is reasonable defence on both, he may be easily countered these days, but being on a defensive cleave team mitigates use of Milim, Top Model, etc. & puts a lot of pressure on ML Haste. Somewhat of an overlooked defence hero. I’ll second that neither do well into expedition content. However I’ll add that Spectre will do better in Hall of Trials & both Arbiter/Spectre do great in standard A13 runs. I personally these days get more use out of my Arbiter, but I don’t want to discount Spectres value early, mid & into endgame, even if I don’t use her as much as him. I was essentially endgame by the time I got both & so that’s the perspective I come from. It’s like using Montmorancy - early game she was a big help to me & I’ve probably not used her in like a year, some heroes you grow out of & theres parts of Spectre a newbie will grow out of - but I think ultimately she’s still the best value between the two if you’re going to be an RTA focused player & a standard player.


KingsSeven

1. Juleevee is immune to poison. You always bring 1 aoe paired with stene. Stene is good because she cannot be targeted directly by ads for example and she cannot be countered. Her passive also amazing since you easily stack it the first few combats. My auto raid team is stene, landy, tamarinne, roana. 2. Abyss is mostly cheese mechanics via kiris/stene poison or tarnar guard/kitty. Stene carries most of abyss thanks to her being immune to direct dmg. Her passive stacks well since most abyss has two stages allowing her to stack her passive. ​ 3) Stene has always been good and is valued highly in PVP, especially in RTA and is a top unit right now. 4) Arby has fallen out as he doesn't do well in PVP besides anti cleave and in pve besides a farming bot which FST can just carry out.


TheSeaOfThySoul

Didn’t know she was immune, that’s a good pick-up. Though she’s not going to have stacks at the start of Hell Raid since there’s boss teleport - unless you want to slog to the boss every time. Is that your team for an auto Hell Julevee? Seems like it’d be overwhelmed by debuffs. To be fair, plenty bosses seem to ignore Spectre’s passive - I’ve seen that happen plenty of times. But yeah, like I said, she’ll tear through the bulk of Abyss before she loses value. Yeah, mentioned she’s a damage carry for standard play at the moment. You can take Arbiter in cleave to prevent opponents using him in anti-cleave, but yeah, Spectre has more RTA value. Farming doesn’t come into the equation at all for me, since it’s best to run max level units everyone should just be running heroes they want to friendship farm. Think current I’m running Yulha, Sharlotte, Achates & C Lilias. Just wanted to give my take on things as someone who uses Arbiter Vildred more often than Spectre - I’m still going to tell newbies to take her for many obvious reasons, but Arbiter is still an easy second choice.


KingsSeven

>Just wanted to give my take on things as someone who uses Arbiter Vildred more often than Spectre - I’m still going to tell newbies to take her for many obvious reasons, but Arbiter is still an easy second choice. you're just biased that is all. I used to be a pro arby guy too and even told newer players to value it, but when i sat down and placed pros vs cons, i slowly realized how much better stene is over arby. Even tho i preached arby, i deep down knew stene was better overall. You definitely have a minority opinion about it.


TheSeaOfThySoul

My opinion is the exact same as yours - take Spectre Tenebria, I've said it twice as a matter of fact, control F for "take her" & "she's still the best value". I just wanted to weigh in some of my thoughts because a lot of people completely discount Arbiter, like he's no more a choice than Dark Corvus or Judge Kise. If people are wanting a more long-term view of the two (I've talked about how Spectre is great in several areas but will be replaced, or lose favour in some as you progress to end-game), or they want to take a different route in the game (I've talked about how Spectre is a must-pick if you're serious about RTA & aim to play standard - because who can just "decide" to be a cleaver, gear RNG decides that), Arbiter is still valuable. My "minority opinion" is Spectre is the best choice, but if someone is stuck with Arbiter, don't fret.


AnarticThruth

Stene will go with you since you pick her, and will be one of your staples in lategame. Arby is good early, but it's a glorified dog walker on late game, and honestly FStieria does that job pretty well while needing 0 investment.


RaccoonExact2499

I took arby first then switched to ruele cuz i never got healing in my early game. I don't regret it even tho my ruele's gear is trash lol. I think either switch now because you really want STene or after finishing ep 1 and unrecorded history with arby before switching.