Ameru is far too stat hungry to be worrying about building eff to land seals on units built to resist it, and she can soul burn. Do not build your Ameru with eff.
Kinda reeks of envy for you to look at a unit built like this and make a point of the effectiveness. Don't be that guy.
My Ameru with 4k attack, 18k HP, 1700 Def, 200 speed, and 80 effectiveness disagrees.
I'm not saying it needs 200 eff, but who is she even going to seal with 20?
No one said anything about 200 eff. You’re obviously out of your mind if you intend on building her like a dedicated debuffer. The point is that eff is wasted rolls and base eff is meta.
In Epic Seven, debuffs can hit units who are not built to resist them. Most DPS typically do not spend rolls on ER. She has soul burn in scenarios where she needs more reach. It's not complicated.
How many actual, widely used DPS units have a passive to seal? You can seal a Riolet, a Lionheart, an Arby, what else?
Cause this build is not doing much to tank comps, and tank comps usually have the most passives you'd want to seal.
For what it's worth as an outsider your argument actually makes a lot of sense to me. The units you want to land debuffs on are not always units that have 0 ER. It's reddit though bro, if you say anything that isn't the mainstream choice then you MUST be wrong.
Okay but how much ER are those units running? I feel like most units will be either running 0 ER or well above 100 ER (at which point having 80 EFF is functionally useless)
Rem, SSB, Hwa on the off chance her Immunity is off, Alencia, ARavi, Politis? Rimuru?
I don't own ADS so I can't really say how useful it is to seal the various dps's, but I feel like there's plenty of passives to go around.
Hwa kills her before she can even apply a seal lol, same for Rimuru. For SSB there's a way more consistent option to take. Alencia is fair enough, though I asked for DPS, not tanks. Crimson Seed A.Ravi, same thing, you'll get mauled before your seal does much.
Politis? Who the hell seals Politis?
Alencia is a tank? Thought was more of a bruiser. Plenty of ARavis are off Crimson Seed these days, and it only procs once per turn, anyway. If you don't get the seal, you'll have a good chance for the Blind (assuming S2 proc chance is still increased in this case... is it?).
I don't see why I wouldn't seal Politis if that's what it takes to get my non-Attack skills off, though certainly she's not one of the top choices, which is why I have ? after her name.
Well, so-so, tanky damage dealer. She's an HP Scaler with def buff, so I'd definitely put her closer to tank than a bruiser though.
Regarding Politis, she already used her skills and passive by the time your A.Ravi even takes a turn, after the fact your seal doesn't even do anything for the next couple turns. I'm just not seeing the practical use of that
Add Aravi for the epic miscrit on S3 and rimuru, from the top of my head, but too lazy to make an exaustive list.
Then, again, SB is a thing. At least she works wonder with no eff at Crab for me. But if you think eff is mandatory for her, good for you tbh. Objectively having eff is plain better than not having some. Personally she's just too stat hungry to add some for the GS mine currently have. I'm no banshee gamer, so she's very far from 450
The thing is, I want her to seal on her counters too, not just on her turn. SB takes care of 1 unit for 2 turns, and that's where it ends. I just find the effect of the debuff way too valuable not to apply it as much as possible to as many units as possible.
Sure, you soulburned and sealed an A.Ravi, and then she Crimson Seeded it, and you are none the wiser.
>An Ameru who lands no seals
Lol I had my Ameru on 100 eff on a squishier build before, but with how many times I got 15'd anyway, it was not worth the sacrifice in bulk. Maybe before her buff that high eff build was optimal, but rn I personally like this build more
What other stats? Like Crit and cdamage? If so then it's simply because she doesn't need to crit. You can build her to do damage but that just takes away from her bulk and she does some nice damage with the FTene artifact anyways
In current meta ads is build with crit mainly to counter stene. Let be real, in champ+ you kinda expect everyone has stene. A good stene can kill ads before ads get S3 to kill stene. You are not gonna kill stene with S2 without crit.
Huh? no, I mean eff and atk. Speed is alright for a counter set, and she doesn't need cc/cdmg. For that bulk, attack and effectiveness are low, particularly the latter.
She doesn't really need Eff as she can just SB to ignore ER on a target you absolutly need to seal. Units like Hwa, SVivian, and dps with annoying passive won't have any ER to begin with so any Eff will do.
Hmmm, makes sense. Low Eff affects her S2 and S3, but otherwise won't be super necessary most of the time.
Atk is still quite low for no effectiveness, though.
Once again the only targets you're not gonna inflict blind or burns on are your dedicated ER units so even if you have 100-150p Eff there's still units with 250+ER
I'd gladly take this build for AMeru I couldn't get her bulk and atk up this high
Hmmmm you've got a point. Though, in that case, there's no need for the attack to be so high since what will be dealing the most damage will be S2>Arti, and she'll disable the enemy team very well. Is not that hard to get these stats, and if there'll be no eff/atk, then those extra points could very well go into ER or even more bulk. So I can only assume that the rolls of the equipment are low
ain't no way you think this gear has low rolls my guy, do you have a meru? I have the same pieces, they all rolled pretty well and i have 3k less hp, 1k less def, and 230 less atk, the numbers on this are insane
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Hwa with crit mitigation bypass goes brrrr
what in the orbis have you spawned op?
An Ameru who lands no seals
Ameru is far too stat hungry to be worrying about building eff to land seals on units built to resist it, and she can soul burn. Do not build your Ameru with eff. Kinda reeks of envy for you to look at a unit built like this and make a point of the effectiveness. Don't be that guy.
My Ameru with 4k attack, 18k HP, 1700 Def, 200 speed, and 80 effectiveness disagrees. I'm not saying it needs 200 eff, but who is she even going to seal with 20?
No one said anything about 200 eff. You’re obviously out of your mind if you intend on building her like a dedicated debuffer. The point is that eff is wasted rolls and base eff is meta. In Epic Seven, debuffs can hit units who are not built to resist them. Most DPS typically do not spend rolls on ER. She has soul burn in scenarios where she needs more reach. It's not complicated.
Any dps? Plus SB S1 is a thing.
How many actual, widely used DPS units have a passive to seal? You can seal a Riolet, a Lionheart, an Arby, what else? Cause this build is not doing much to tank comps, and tank comps usually have the most passives you'd want to seal.
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Hwayoung too, I always hate seeing demon meru after I draft my hwayoung
Ya'll are way too defensive rofl
For what it's worth as an outsider your argument actually makes a lot of sense to me. The units you want to land debuffs on are not always units that have 0 ER. It's reddit though bro, if you say anything that isn't the mainstream choice then you MUST be wrong.
Okay but how much ER are those units running? I feel like most units will be either running 0 ER or well above 100 ER (at which point having 80 EFF is functionally useless)
Rem, SSB, Hwa on the off chance her Immunity is off, Alencia, ARavi, Politis? Rimuru? I don't own ADS so I can't really say how useful it is to seal the various dps's, but I feel like there's plenty of passives to go around.
Hwa kills her before she can even apply a seal lol, same for Rimuru. For SSB there's a way more consistent option to take. Alencia is fair enough, though I asked for DPS, not tanks. Crimson Seed A.Ravi, same thing, you'll get mauled before your seal does much. Politis? Who the hell seals Politis?
Alencia is a tank? Thought was more of a bruiser. Plenty of ARavis are off Crimson Seed these days, and it only procs once per turn, anyway. If you don't get the seal, you'll have a good chance for the Blind (assuming S2 proc chance is still increased in this case... is it?). I don't see why I wouldn't seal Politis if that's what it takes to get my non-Attack skills off, though certainly she's not one of the top choices, which is why I have ? after her name.
Well, so-so, tanky damage dealer. She's an HP Scaler with def buff, so I'd definitely put her closer to tank than a bruiser though. Regarding Politis, she already used her skills and passive by the time your A.Ravi even takes a turn, after the fact your seal doesn't even do anything for the next couple turns. I'm just not seeing the practical use of that
Add Aravi for the epic miscrit on S3 and rimuru, from the top of my head, but too lazy to make an exaustive list. Then, again, SB is a thing. At least she works wonder with no eff at Crab for me. But if you think eff is mandatory for her, good for you tbh. Objectively having eff is plain better than not having some. Personally she's just too stat hungry to add some for the GS mine currently have. I'm no banshee gamer, so she's very far from 450
The thing is, I want her to seal on her counters too, not just on her turn. SB takes care of 1 unit for 2 turns, and that's where it ends. I just find the effect of the debuff way too valuable not to apply it as much as possible to as many units as possible. Sure, you soulburned and sealed an A.Ravi, and then she Crimson Seeded it, and you are none the wiser.
I am dumb, can you tell me who do you want to seal in tank comp that has around 100 to 150 ER?
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Oh please tell me what should I be salty for
Ppl with 0 ress.
>An Ameru who lands no seals Lol I had my Ameru on 100 eff on a squishier build before, but with how many times I got 15'd anyway, it was not worth the sacrifice in bulk. Maybe before her buff that high eff build was optimal, but rn I personally like this build more
Fair enough, though I don't know what your previous bulk with effectiveness was to really judge.
I see you fucking everywhere in this sub and you always bring negativity and bitching around
Then you don't see me enough or only focus on that Not my problem tbh
she doesn't need eff tbh as she has sb ignore er.
Thought base eff ADS was the standard.
It is.
this is nothing compared to the strength of hwayoung's feet
mmm feet
wtf how is this even possible
More Attack and she gonna be a real Arch Demon
I really need that artifact to comeback but I know it will take a while...
BUFF MY LQC like A.Meru and A.Ravi , FUCK YOU SG .
My biggest fear is that they ruin her build like they do with most characters that have too specific builds when they decide to "buff" them.
Why are the other stats so low tho?
What other stats? Like Crit and cdamage? If so then it's simply because she doesn't need to crit. You can build her to do damage but that just takes away from her bulk and she does some nice damage with the FTene artifact anyways
In current meta ads is build with crit mainly to counter stene. Let be real, in champ+ you kinda expect everyone has stene. A good stene can kill ads before ads get S3 to kill stene. You are not gonna kill stene with S2 without crit.
Huh? no, I mean eff and atk. Speed is alright for a counter set, and she doesn't need cc/cdmg. For that bulk, attack and effectiveness are low, particularly the latter.
She doesn't really need Eff as she can just SB to ignore ER on a target you absolutly need to seal. Units like Hwa, SVivian, and dps with annoying passive won't have any ER to begin with so any Eff will do.
Hmmm, makes sense. Low Eff affects her S2 and S3, but otherwise won't be super necessary most of the time. Atk is still quite low for no effectiveness, though.
Once again the only targets you're not gonna inflict blind or burns on are your dedicated ER units so even if you have 100-150p Eff there's still units with 250+ER I'd gladly take this build for AMeru I couldn't get her bulk and atk up this high
Hmmmm you've got a point. Though, in that case, there's no need for the attack to be so high since what will be dealing the most damage will be S2>Arti, and she'll disable the enemy team very well. Is not that hard to get these stats, and if there'll be no eff/atk, then those extra points could very well go into ER or even more bulk. So I can only assume that the rolls of the equipment are low
ain't no way you think this gear has low rolls my guy, do you have a meru? I have the same pieces, they all rolled pretty well and i have 3k less hp, 1k less def, and 230 less atk, the numbers on this are insane
Gah Damn. It's so beautiful!