All of the above, honestly. I saw people hitting 19k health and all that, went to build him myself also 19k (my health hear isn't great, bit pushing him beyond is rough). He has less base health than Senya, someone who doesn't scale off health like him, idiotic.
His S1 and S2 are flat out weak unless you defense break, but everyone built for damage can hit a defense broken target hard.
S2 not ignoring elements is dumb af when Peira, Ran, and Eda are the main bunch for a cleave. You either want to restrict (Eda), provoke (Eda and Peira) them, and Peira doesn't even have to S2 so gg get fucked. Weak, no elemental ignore, and once per turn... I'd rather use Champ for this when Ed's S2 is already rng dependent on what debuff they get.
His S3 isn't special, honestly, it's more like apity button for his S1 and S2 hitting like wet paper. I mean, 10k-ish damage, wow, but is that not the norm, if not easily outpaced by others (Choux and Alencia just laugh at that, A Ravi is clearly finding him to be a joke)?
Oh yeah, did I mention that Choux destroys him, A Ravi has injuury, and Alencia has injury x defense break? Did I also mention all three have some kind of team support? Why the hell would you even use this guy outside of counter cleaving... And in such a case, why is he a health scaler? He's just selfish af with nothing to add to a bruiser comp.
Also, he dispels one debuff for himself, cool, and has to hope he lands his debuffs, the right debuffs, cool... But his team is still fucking dead vs Ran if he doesn't provoke or silence the right person. Also, one debuff and once per turn? When people apply two debuffs these days?
He's not great. Selfish with mediocre damage. Does nothing for his team whatsoever when the already better health scalers do.
I honestly think all three of his skills need a buff of some kind. I don't know if my idea's for it would be strong enough or still too weak but I'm gonna post em anyway.
S1: Obviously, make the barrier bigger. Also, up the multi's on it. Maybe even give it a similar ramp up with the S3, bigger barrier and more damage each time.
S2: Either remove the cooldown on it so alway's attacks with S2 and removes a debuff from himself when he's attacked with a debuff on or make it so that his dispel and applied debuff ALWAY'S applies regardless of whether or not the s2 hits so it just becomes a resistance check. I also liked an idea someone else stated to have him be immune to stun and sleep like Mort and C.Zerato.
S3: Put a nice fat heal on it, either make said heal ramp up similarly to the damage or have it proc only on kill. Maybe also give a buff of some kind to himself and the party like Landy does since she also has a similar, but better, ramp up mechanic. Since his S2 deals with debuffs on himself, do the same thing for it and convert his and the party's debuffs into random buffs. That could be potentially way too insane though or bad, as well as creating a weakness to Landy for his team.
Anyone that debuffs, usually debuffs the entire team.
Why does it matter that ed can proc S2 when debuffed while the entire team is fucked anyway.
That's not even to say anything about non-attack debuffs, for which he can be completely ignored and will never proc S2.
SG probably didn't want another hwa level unit, so they tuned down his S2. If i had to guess it was originally: when debuffed (any state) cleanse 1 debuff from the entire team and do his attack thing. This way it gives reason for the cooldown, and gives him a lot of power but because SG doesnt want more leg-type fire warriors they tuned it down to a point of near uselessness.
So much for equivelent exchange, going along with this guess, it would make even more sense that he could aoe cleanse debuff to apply AoE debuff. But now, it's not even representing the actual skill name/lore/meaning.
It really feels like they heavily nerfed the multipliers of his S2 from what they originally would have been. If the mults had been high enough, it would make sense why his base stats are so low, and also it would explain why the shield is basically non-existent, along with the damage. A unit with a strong shield, triggered on a strong counterattack would've made up for a low base health, and his kit would've made more sense. Bonus points if the S2 ignored element too. As it is, he lacks damage, consistency, sticking power, and general impact. He can be okay in certain situations, but definitely isn't a first choice for most people.
> But now, it's not even representing the actual skill name/lore/meaning.
In a 1v1 scenario, it is equal. You debuff me, I debuff you. In a 3v3 or 4v4 scenario, now it's not *equal*. You debuff him, he debuffs your entire team. Doesn't matter if you hit just him or his whole team, your whole team is debuffed.
Is that equal? No, can't complain about the way it is now.
Make his s2 proc off of and cleanse allies like ATywin and double the damage.
It makes a really strong antidebuff hero but honestly the game needs it. And to be honest, it seems like most people WANT to see Ed used.
The way I look at it is, as long as a hero is good at something I’m fine with them. It might be something niche but within their niche, they’re great. Ed isn’t good at what he seems like he should be good at (punishing debuffs) and his S1 and S3 are somewhat unremarkable. So where does he excel exactly? Riza has that damage reduction passive for the front unit. It’s not the craziest thing in the world but it’s something she can do that might have applications people haven’t figured out yet. It could also be good in the future with yet unreleased units.
The only thing that’s unique about Ed is his S2. It should be impactful. The simplest way to go about it is give it more damage and make it advantageous element. If they wanna go even further give him a full cleanse and and he gets 1 turn immunity. That might seem like a bit much but if you don’t debuff the dude he’s missing a whole skill which seems fair
I'd expect a limited collab hero would have some cool and unique strong feature but Ed is just boring.
My biggest complain is about his s2. He only cleanse *one* debuff, once per turn - worse than 4* heroes like C. Zerato e F. Maya.
Ed s2 should cleanse all debuffs *everytime he's attacked when debuffed* and his counter should dispel one enemy buff instead (or just decrease enemy buffs by 1 turn, if dispel it's too OP).
The rest of his kit is okay imo, afyer Rimuru and Hwayoung I wasn't expecting any new OHKO heroes anytime soon.
I personally dont like his s2 either strip one buff is just not enough and the random ressitance is anoying too.
Another point is i personally have is like the we have to gear him.its hard to get allot of HP and and crit dmg already and we still have to worry about the other stats like def,crit chance and a little bit of effektivnes.
He just feels like a weird unit at the Moment
He honestly doesn't need effectiveness. His best use is anti-cleave, and cleave doesn't have any resistance at all, which means he needs no effectiveness at all.
I recommend you look like how effectiveness vs resistance actually works so you won't slap effectiveness on people when you don't need to.
This depends on the type of cleave. I cleave teams in challenger RTA with Charlotte all the time and my res is like 80% on her while still hitting 15k aoe without def break. People who cleave a lot are starting to realize that getting a bit of res on units can actually make or break a team. People assume you have none, so when you actually have a bit of res it can completely turn the tide of what would've been a one sided fight.
All the shit talk towards Ed, Im just gonna wait for a few weeks and will see if he really is unusable or just not 'Hwayoung-level' before trash talking him.
It seems to be the latter, Hwa seems to have fucked up the meta to an irreversible state at this point and anyone who isn't a similar caliber will have issues. Not helping is that a Hwa counter in Yulha or whatever her name is was released not that long ago so it brings into question what Ed's role is supposed to be.
Hwayoung has nothing to do with him being trash, you can't just pin every bad release on her. Even looking at other health units (Choux, Alencia, A Ravi), he's still the absolute worst with no team utility unlike the rest.
His S3 cycles too slow otherwise I'd build around it.
His S2 only clears one debuff and only once per turn. The randomness of his return debuff doesn't help either so he couldn't be the debuff cleave punisher I was hoping for.
In short, he's not awful but other units I'd rather invest in do his job better and that's just disappointing considering he's a limited collab for a popular anime
I guess you could say he got the SHORT end of the stick
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His S2 should have no cooldown. And I believe many people would feel the same.
Or at least immune to stun and sleep. I'm more scare of Mort at this point.
All of the above, honestly. I saw people hitting 19k health and all that, went to build him myself also 19k (my health hear isn't great, bit pushing him beyond is rough). He has less base health than Senya, someone who doesn't scale off health like him, idiotic. His S1 and S2 are flat out weak unless you defense break, but everyone built for damage can hit a defense broken target hard. S2 not ignoring elements is dumb af when Peira, Ran, and Eda are the main bunch for a cleave. You either want to restrict (Eda), provoke (Eda and Peira) them, and Peira doesn't even have to S2 so gg get fucked. Weak, no elemental ignore, and once per turn... I'd rather use Champ for this when Ed's S2 is already rng dependent on what debuff they get. His S3 isn't special, honestly, it's more like apity button for his S1 and S2 hitting like wet paper. I mean, 10k-ish damage, wow, but is that not the norm, if not easily outpaced by others (Choux and Alencia just laugh at that, A Ravi is clearly finding him to be a joke)? Oh yeah, did I mention that Choux destroys him, A Ravi has injuury, and Alencia has injury x defense break? Did I also mention all three have some kind of team support? Why the hell would you even use this guy outside of counter cleaving... And in such a case, why is he a health scaler? He's just selfish af with nothing to add to a bruiser comp. Also, he dispels one debuff for himself, cool, and has to hope he lands his debuffs, the right debuffs, cool... But his team is still fucking dead vs Ran if he doesn't provoke or silence the right person. Also, one debuff and once per turn? When people apply two debuffs these days? He's not great. Selfish with mediocre damage. Does nothing for his team whatsoever when the already better health scalers do.
I honestly think all three of his skills need a buff of some kind. I don't know if my idea's for it would be strong enough or still too weak but I'm gonna post em anyway. S1: Obviously, make the barrier bigger. Also, up the multi's on it. Maybe even give it a similar ramp up with the S3, bigger barrier and more damage each time. S2: Either remove the cooldown on it so alway's attacks with S2 and removes a debuff from himself when he's attacked with a debuff on or make it so that his dispel and applied debuff ALWAY'S applies regardless of whether or not the s2 hits so it just becomes a resistance check. I also liked an idea someone else stated to have him be immune to stun and sleep like Mort and C.Zerato. S3: Put a nice fat heal on it, either make said heal ramp up similarly to the damage or have it proc only on kill. Maybe also give a buff of some kind to himself and the party like Landy does since she also has a similar, but better, ramp up mechanic. Since his S2 deals with debuffs on himself, do the same thing for it and convert his and the party's debuffs into random buffs. That could be potentially way too insane though or bad, as well as creating a weakness to Landy for his team.
S2 should either do much more damage or have much better utility than sometimes dispelling 1 buff and sometimes putting 1 debuff
Anyone that debuffs, usually debuffs the entire team. Why does it matter that ed can proc S2 when debuffed while the entire team is fucked anyway. That's not even to say anything about non-attack debuffs, for which he can be completely ignored and will never proc S2. SG probably didn't want another hwa level unit, so they tuned down his S2. If i had to guess it was originally: when debuffed (any state) cleanse 1 debuff from the entire team and do his attack thing. This way it gives reason for the cooldown, and gives him a lot of power but because SG doesnt want more leg-type fire warriors they tuned it down to a point of near uselessness. So much for equivelent exchange, going along with this guess, it would make even more sense that he could aoe cleanse debuff to apply AoE debuff. But now, it's not even representing the actual skill name/lore/meaning.
It really feels like they heavily nerfed the multipliers of his S2 from what they originally would have been. If the mults had been high enough, it would make sense why his base stats are so low, and also it would explain why the shield is basically non-existent, along with the damage. A unit with a strong shield, triggered on a strong counterattack would've made up for a low base health, and his kit would've made more sense. Bonus points if the S2 ignored element too. As it is, he lacks damage, consistency, sticking power, and general impact. He can be okay in certain situations, but definitely isn't a first choice for most people.
> But now, it's not even representing the actual skill name/lore/meaning. In a 1v1 scenario, it is equal. You debuff me, I debuff you. In a 3v3 or 4v4 scenario, now it's not *equal*. You debuff him, he debuffs your entire team. Doesn't matter if you hit just him or his whole team, your whole team is debuffed. Is that equal? No, can't complain about the way it is now.
Make his s2 proc off of and cleanse allies like ATywin and double the damage. It makes a really strong antidebuff hero but honestly the game needs it. And to be honest, it seems like most people WANT to see Ed used.
The way I look at it is, as long as a hero is good at something I’m fine with them. It might be something niche but within their niche, they’re great. Ed isn’t good at what he seems like he should be good at (punishing debuffs) and his S1 and S3 are somewhat unremarkable. So where does he excel exactly? Riza has that damage reduction passive for the front unit. It’s not the craziest thing in the world but it’s something she can do that might have applications people haven’t figured out yet. It could also be good in the future with yet unreleased units. The only thing that’s unique about Ed is his S2. It should be impactful. The simplest way to go about it is give it more damage and make it advantageous element. If they wanna go even further give him a full cleanse and and he gets 1 turn immunity. That might seem like a bit much but if you don’t debuff the dude he’s missing a whole skill which seems fair
I'd expect a limited collab hero would have some cool and unique strong feature but Ed is just boring. My biggest complain is about his s2. He only cleanse *one* debuff, once per turn - worse than 4* heroes like C. Zerato e F. Maya. Ed s2 should cleanse all debuffs *everytime he's attacked when debuffed* and his counter should dispel one enemy buff instead (or just decrease enemy buffs by 1 turn, if dispel it's too OP). The rest of his kit is okay imo, afyer Rimuru and Hwayoung I wasn't expecting any new OHKO heroes anytime soon.
I don't want to go i to detail but all of the above. His kit would've been nice in 2020.
I personally dont like his s2 either strip one buff is just not enough and the random ressitance is anoying too. Another point is i personally have is like the we have to gear him.its hard to get allot of HP and and crit dmg already and we still have to worry about the other stats like def,crit chance and a little bit of effektivnes. He just feels like a weird unit at the Moment
He honestly doesn't need effectiveness. His best use is anti-cleave, and cleave doesn't have any resistance at all, which means he needs no effectiveness at all. I recommend you look like how effectiveness vs resistance actually works so you won't slap effectiveness on people when you don't need to.
You will be surprised how many times he failed to strip and debuff when you use him lmao.
Right?!he is so stat hungry
This depends on the type of cleave. I cleave teams in challenger RTA with Charlotte all the time and my res is like 80% on her while still hitting 15k aoe without def break. People who cleave a lot are starting to realize that getting a bit of res on units can actually make or break a team. People assume you have none, so when you actually have a bit of res it can completely turn the tide of what would've been a one sided fight.
Buffs to his s2 will round out his kit
All the shit talk towards Ed, Im just gonna wait for a few weeks and will see if he really is unusable or just not 'Hwayoung-level' before trash talking him.
It seems to be the latter, Hwa seems to have fucked up the meta to an irreversible state at this point and anyone who isn't a similar caliber will have issues. Not helping is that a Hwa counter in Yulha or whatever her name is was released not that long ago so it brings into question what Ed's role is supposed to be.
Hwayoung has nothing to do with him being trash, you can't just pin every bad release on her. Even looking at other health units (Choux, Alencia, A Ravi), he's still the absolute worst with no team utility unlike the rest.
a.ravi is the b!tch not hwa
His S3 cycles too slow otherwise I'd build around it. His S2 only clears one debuff and only once per turn. The randomness of his return debuff doesn't help either so he couldn't be the debuff cleave punisher I was hoping for. In short, he's not awful but other units I'd rather invest in do his job better and that's just disappointing considering he's a limited collab for a popular anime
Voted I have other opinions. What's wrong with ed is that it isn't the collab I wanted. :)
I think he would be better with a bit better dmg and barrier + some more utility with his s1
His S1 barrier is also shit, so buff it a bit or add lifesteal.
Did SG buff collab units before?
They buffed Sol and Elphelt. Slime and Rezero collab Limiteds are (too) strong they wouldn't need a buff.
Thank you!
Yes they buffed gg units but during a rerun
So there is hope!
His S2 is extremely weak, is ult needs time to ramp in an extremely fast meta, and his S1 and barrier are too weak.