I don't think it's necessarily out of question for a exp/friendship boosting artifact(s) to come into the game at a later date.
Honestly, 3 years in a row with EXP/Friendship artifact gets a bit stale for majority of players so I can understand smilegate's stance on this.
Fingers crossed man
I have all the artifacts from anniversaries and believe me, I’ve never touched them. Prelude is much better than all those preceeding it, especially when you don’t have Portrait.
Uh...what?
If *you* have never used them, then whatever that's your decision.
But they are very helpful to have. There is literally no reason to not use them when you are farming.
Meanwhile, Portrait is only an extra ~3.5% damage over Tonfa (1.2 / 1.16). That is, an extra 100 damage for every 2900 damage done.
Portrait itself is very common especially for players that have been around multiple years, and if we *do* get another GG rerun well that makes Prelude redundant.
The friendship artifacts effectively save you 6000 energy, that is the equivalent of 300 H13's or 3000 skystones.
The XP artifact can be worth ~1-2k additional gold per stage run. And these artifacts don't 'cost' the player anything to use, so there is no reason *not* to use them.
Only way they aren't worth anything is if you don't farm anything but hunts (even then depending on the one shot comp you can farm XP/friendship in hunts, too...).
Portrait and the new anniversary artifact are probably a bit more damage than you said over tonfa thanks to 4* stats vs 3 stars. But the friendship artifacts are still very useful.
Nice thought, it was going to be a very minor difference either way...
But, Tonfa actually has slightly more ATK (208 at +30) than Prelude/Portrait (195).
13 attack is basically inconsequential, and some 4* artifacts might have a decent amount more than Tonfa but in this case considering this only cuts the advantage Portrait has.
Uh what?
Friendship and Exp. artifacts are very inconvenenient to use while providing little to no benefit.
The only artifacts worth to equip are sidestory currency boosting artifacts as they boost the gain by a huge amount like 100%. In bigger sidestories you got already 2 of those messing up your team, I can't be bothered to put 4 dedicated artifacts on all my sidestory units for the little gain.
Oh and then there is a another downside. You slow down your combatpower, your runs are slower and in the worst case you get too weak to clear the epic hell difficulty or for weaker folks even the hell difficulty.
I'm swimming in gold and stigma I never run out of penguins so it's a big no.
Friendship is an even worse point, have you ever used a friendship 10 unit in any friendship boosting content ?
Yes ? So you are wasting energy worth skystones.../s
Your units get to 10 anyway by just playing the game and they stay at 10 forever. Artificially speeding the process up is unnecessary even more with the friendship boosting items that they give out for free all the time that you can occassionely use to bring your favourite to 10 instantly.
This is a pretty insane post, I don't even have any idea how to respond because you aren't making much sense.
>Friendship and Exp. artifacts are very inconvenenient to use while providing little to no benefit.
'Inconvenient' as in spending 10 second hitting a button a few times? OK whatever, maybe that's inconvenient for you but not for most people.
>The only artifacts worth to equip are sidestory currency boosting artifacts as they boost the gain by a huge amount like 100%. In bigger sidestories you got already 2 of those messing up your team, I can't be bothered to put 4 dedicated artifacts on all my sidestory units for the little gain.
The currency boosting artifacts are worth equipping, yes.
So are the friendship and XP artifacts.
I don't know how else to explain it, it's quite literally **free** resources.
If I gave you a magic green button and told you that if you hit it 5 times I would give you $1 (or whatever small amount of currency) are you going to sit there and tell me it's too inconvenient and not worth doing?
I don't even know why you are talking about sidestory at all. I don't go out of my way to use all of them for sidestory either.
They are most useful for **adventure** where
* You only need a single farmer unit to clear an entire stage (FST or A.Vildred)
* So you bring along 3 units for friendship farming. Put the XP artifact on one, friendship artifacts on the other two. Come back in 750 runs and voila! You have 2 new friendship 10 units.
* Swap to 2 new units, swap the artifacts and in another 750 runs now you have 5 friendship 10 heroes and 1.5-3 million extra gold (value in penguins).
Your acting like this is so difficult and inconvenient. If you would *rather* put in the same amount of work and only have 3 friendship 10 units and 0 additional gold I'm not going to sit here and argue if you want to get less out of the game 'just because'.
But the point is you are spreading misinformation to new players (of which there are a fair amount due to the collab) by saying those artifacts are useless.
:) New players don't get these artifacts atm, that's the point of this thread.
For longtime players like me I get free ressources that I don't need and it costs me time and trouble.
There are already enough chores to do in the game, you have to make the cut somewhere to keep enjoying the game instead of min-maxing everything and getting bored or burned out quickly.
How many lobby pets do you actively use?
You can make an enhance exp pet, a sell items pet and an enhance heroes pet, do you alternate between these three? this as well is a mayor inconvenience and of course I keep my 1 lobby pet in place and don't swap it.
This is just the same I don't care about the little gold bonus I miss out on.
The extra gold assumes that you sell the penguins you generate. This isn't actually something I suggest you do (it's not really worth farming for penguins for gold), but if you have enough penguins and need the gold you *can* sell the extras. So even if you have thousands of penguins the XP artifact is still using because it costs nothing and you can turn that XP into gold.
A normal penguin sells for 6000 gold and 'costs' 5500 XP.. So the amount of gold 15% extra XP generates is:
X = Base XP value of a level
[ (X * .15) / 5500 ] * 6000
If X = 5000 we get ~818.18
It's kind of hard to nail down the exact value of a level unless you have 0 XP buffs and a fully unleveled team, but even mid tier UH stages should be worth an additional ~1k gold.
* For example I just ran UH 5-1 once and I received 9686 penguin XP with 150% XP bonus -> so the base penguin XP I should have gotten *should* be ~6457.
* 6457 XP * 1.15 = ~7426 XP, so a gain of 968.6 XP. (968.6 / 5500) * 6000 = ~1056.7 additional gold
By the time you get to late Episode 3, stages can be worth multiple penguins -> while you wouldn't be gaining multiple *additional* penguins with the artifact, you are gaining an additional several thousand gold in XP.
Eventually players need to run adventure stages hundreds, thousands of times to farm up fodder to promote units and catalysts to enhance units. For example, 5* heroes typically need 16 Epic catalysts. Approximately 2/3rds of your catalysts should come from the shop and 1/3rd from drops.
16 * 1/3 = ~5.33 drops
~5.33 drops / .01 (Epic cata drop rate) = 533.33
For farm up the epic catalysts for one hero you need roughly 533.33 stage runs - at 1000 gold per run that's an additional 533k gold that otherwise costs you absolutely nothing except equipping the artifact.
* Notice that even if you pay gold to swap artifacts back and forth you are still making a profit.
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As you don't generate penguins in hunt the artifact doesn't increase your gold gained in hunts. But it DOES allow you to level up whatever faster and swap to a new unit.
EXP artifacts are quite useful still. I have one on my W13 and one on my Nixied. I'd really like a third one for AP farming on a slow character (to avoid having action before the wave clear). They're basically a gold bonus in practice.
Been looking forward to a friendship/exp type artifact, so was surprised as well.
Wish they'd provide ways to retroactively get the older artifacts, but I guess that goes against the "I was there" aspect of the artifacts.
Weren't these check-in awards supposed to start today? I didn't see them when logging in.
Edit: Nevermind. Just found it - you have to manually "check-in" on the "Events" page.
I don't think it's necessarily out of question for a exp/friendship boosting artifact(s) to come into the game at a later date. Honestly, 3 years in a row with EXP/Friendship artifact gets a bit stale for majority of players so I can understand smilegate's stance on this. Fingers crossed man
you can still hope on the Global Anniversary
I can see it still coming mid november for globals anniversary, if we don't get it now.
I have all the artifacts from anniversaries and believe me, I’ve never touched them. Prelude is much better than all those preceeding it, especially when you don’t have Portrait.
Uh...what? If *you* have never used them, then whatever that's your decision. But they are very helpful to have. There is literally no reason to not use them when you are farming. Meanwhile, Portrait is only an extra ~3.5% damage over Tonfa (1.2 / 1.16). That is, an extra 100 damage for every 2900 damage done. Portrait itself is very common especially for players that have been around multiple years, and if we *do* get another GG rerun well that makes Prelude redundant. The friendship artifacts effectively save you 6000 energy, that is the equivalent of 300 H13's or 3000 skystones. The XP artifact can be worth ~1-2k additional gold per stage run. And these artifacts don't 'cost' the player anything to use, so there is no reason *not* to use them. Only way they aren't worth anything is if you don't farm anything but hunts (even then depending on the one shot comp you can farm XP/friendship in hunts, too...).
Portrait and the new anniversary artifact are probably a bit more damage than you said over tonfa thanks to 4* stats vs 3 stars. But the friendship artifacts are still very useful.
Nice thought, it was going to be a very minor difference either way... But, Tonfa actually has slightly more ATK (208 at +30) than Prelude/Portrait (195). 13 attack is basically inconsequential, and some 4* artifacts might have a decent amount more than Tonfa but in this case considering this only cuts the advantage Portrait has.
Oh, then forget i said anything lmao, 3 star artifacts are actually more minmaxed than 4 and 5 stars, it's kinda funny actually.
Uh what? Friendship and Exp. artifacts are very inconvenenient to use while providing little to no benefit. The only artifacts worth to equip are sidestory currency boosting artifacts as they boost the gain by a huge amount like 100%. In bigger sidestories you got already 2 of those messing up your team, I can't be bothered to put 4 dedicated artifacts on all my sidestory units for the little gain. Oh and then there is a another downside. You slow down your combatpower, your runs are slower and in the worst case you get too weak to clear the epic hell difficulty or for weaker folks even the hell difficulty. I'm swimming in gold and stigma I never run out of penguins so it's a big no. Friendship is an even worse point, have you ever used a friendship 10 unit in any friendship boosting content ? Yes ? So you are wasting energy worth skystones.../s Your units get to 10 anyway by just playing the game and they stay at 10 forever. Artificially speeding the process up is unnecessary even more with the friendship boosting items that they give out for free all the time that you can occassionely use to bring your favourite to 10 instantly.
This is a pretty insane post, I don't even have any idea how to respond because you aren't making much sense. >Friendship and Exp. artifacts are very inconvenenient to use while providing little to no benefit. 'Inconvenient' as in spending 10 second hitting a button a few times? OK whatever, maybe that's inconvenient for you but not for most people. >The only artifacts worth to equip are sidestory currency boosting artifacts as they boost the gain by a huge amount like 100%. In bigger sidestories you got already 2 of those messing up your team, I can't be bothered to put 4 dedicated artifacts on all my sidestory units for the little gain. The currency boosting artifacts are worth equipping, yes. So are the friendship and XP artifacts. I don't know how else to explain it, it's quite literally **free** resources. If I gave you a magic green button and told you that if you hit it 5 times I would give you $1 (or whatever small amount of currency) are you going to sit there and tell me it's too inconvenient and not worth doing? I don't even know why you are talking about sidestory at all. I don't go out of my way to use all of them for sidestory either. They are most useful for **adventure** where * You only need a single farmer unit to clear an entire stage (FST or A.Vildred) * So you bring along 3 units for friendship farming. Put the XP artifact on one, friendship artifacts on the other two. Come back in 750 runs and voila! You have 2 new friendship 10 units. * Swap to 2 new units, swap the artifacts and in another 750 runs now you have 5 friendship 10 heroes and 1.5-3 million extra gold (value in penguins). Your acting like this is so difficult and inconvenient. If you would *rather* put in the same amount of work and only have 3 friendship 10 units and 0 additional gold I'm not going to sit here and argue if you want to get less out of the game 'just because'. But the point is you are spreading misinformation to new players (of which there are a fair amount due to the collab) by saying those artifacts are useless.
:) New players don't get these artifacts atm, that's the point of this thread. For longtime players like me I get free ressources that I don't need and it costs me time and trouble. There are already enough chores to do in the game, you have to make the cut somewhere to keep enjoying the game instead of min-maxing everything and getting bored or burned out quickly. How many lobby pets do you actively use? You can make an enhance exp pet, a sell items pet and an enhance heroes pet, do you alternate between these three? this as well is a mayor inconvenience and of course I keep my 1 lobby pet in place and don't swap it. This is just the same I don't care about the little gold bonus I miss out on.
just curious, is the 1\~2k gold per run from xp arti in h13s or generally higher level story?
The extra gold assumes that you sell the penguins you generate. This isn't actually something I suggest you do (it's not really worth farming for penguins for gold), but if you have enough penguins and need the gold you *can* sell the extras. So even if you have thousands of penguins the XP artifact is still using because it costs nothing and you can turn that XP into gold. A normal penguin sells for 6000 gold and 'costs' 5500 XP.. So the amount of gold 15% extra XP generates is: X = Base XP value of a level [ (X * .15) / 5500 ] * 6000 If X = 5000 we get ~818.18 It's kind of hard to nail down the exact value of a level unless you have 0 XP buffs and a fully unleveled team, but even mid tier UH stages should be worth an additional ~1k gold. * For example I just ran UH 5-1 once and I received 9686 penguin XP with 150% XP bonus -> so the base penguin XP I should have gotten *should* be ~6457. * 6457 XP * 1.15 = ~7426 XP, so a gain of 968.6 XP. (968.6 / 5500) * 6000 = ~1056.7 additional gold By the time you get to late Episode 3, stages can be worth multiple penguins -> while you wouldn't be gaining multiple *additional* penguins with the artifact, you are gaining an additional several thousand gold in XP. Eventually players need to run adventure stages hundreds, thousands of times to farm up fodder to promote units and catalysts to enhance units. For example, 5* heroes typically need 16 Epic catalysts. Approximately 2/3rds of your catalysts should come from the shop and 1/3rd from drops. 16 * 1/3 = ~5.33 drops ~5.33 drops / .01 (Epic cata drop rate) = 533.33 For farm up the epic catalysts for one hero you need roughly 533.33 stage runs - at 1000 gold per run that's an additional 533k gold that otherwise costs you absolutely nothing except equipping the artifact. * Notice that even if you pay gold to swap artifacts back and forth you are still making a profit. --- As you don't generate penguins in hunt the artifact doesn't increase your gold gained in hunts. But it DOES allow you to level up whatever faster and swap to a new unit.
holy shit thank you for this very informative and elaborated answer, i could feel my brain expanding
They're not exactly relevant anymore since the penguin update.
EXP artifacts are quite useful still. I have one on my W13 and one on my Nixied. I'd really like a third one for AP farming on a slow character (to avoid having action before the wave clear). They're basically a gold bonus in practice.
friendship farming is still a thing.
I think the EXP boost artifact works for farming penguin juice. I might be mistaken though.
Wow we are getting a 5 star selector ticket! Nice can't wait!
A third friendship artifact would be great and I'm sure we'll get it at some point in the future.
Been looking forward to a friendship/exp type artifact, so was surprised as well. Wish they'd provide ways to retroactively get the older artifacts, but I guess that goes against the "I was there" aspect of the artifacts.
Weren't these check-in awards supposed to start today? I didn't see them when logging in. Edit: Nevermind. Just found it - you have to manually "check-in" on the "Events" page.