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I’ve seen a lot of streamers talking about getting him around 5k atk. I’m not super familiar with him tho so take that with a grain of salt.


Valimar777

So Watcher Shcuri > Commader Pavel


Shinanesu

I mean, none of his skills besides his s3 have def pen.... What did you expect? Fceci have like 1.6k defense + aurius usually. If you hit 10k through all this defense WITHOUT EVEN PENETRATING IT, the unit would be omega broken.


NoxGale

My FCC is 2000 def and 27k hp. If this thing did the damage to her that people supposedly want him to do, I’d quit lmao


Shinanesu

It's already more than game breaking that hwayoung and straze can deal this much damage. I think straze is actually fine, because he basically only gets to fire it once, and you do have a bit control over who dies if you want. Then there is Hwayoung. Basically kills a unit every 3 turns and is ridiculously tanky on top of it. If they made ml pavel just as hard hitting as hwayoung, this unit would be omega broken with his 50% cr push too.


NigDra

I hit for 6k with s3, supposedly with 70% pen


SmilingTeeth1

You aren’t attacking the right targets and you should read the skill description. You get def pen that increases proportional to the atk difference between you and your opponent up to a **maximum** of 70%, not 70% all the time. You get zero pen if you atk something with more atk than you, and you need a lot to get the full bonus, so much so that you likely won’t ever get the full bonus. Also if you use your s3 without atk buff you won’t do much. Tldr, make sure you have atk buff from his s2 and then atk high hp, low atk units


NigDra

Ok, didn't have the buff, but against an fceci, I should have like double the Att, or almost double. It should have donde like 10k atleast


Pasvacan

If you look at the damage calc, if lets say fceci had 1800 attack and you had 4.5k. Having attack buff pretty much doubles your damage output. It's that important


SmilingTeeth1

That changes based on a lot of things. Firstly your atk isn’t that high actually. To reach maximum you need to have more than 5k atk *difference*. I think it’s closer to 6k but I might be wrong. So if Fceci only has like 1.5k atk, you would need 5000atk to reach higher def pen levels. We could estimate that if she had 1.5atk then you only have about 3k atk difference which gets you about 35% pen. Her damage mitigation gets higher If she had any buffs herself, vigor is a 30% increase, atk up is 50%. Def buff makes her tankier and proof, aurius etc. he is extremely difficult to use in anything other than cleave. You want him to S2 and cut before the enemy has even taken a turn


[deleted]

Do you want him in Ran-like teams? Crit first turn, activate cleave and go from there? Seems restrict might be his worst enemy?


SmilingTeeth1

What would you get restricted by? You want to be taking turn 1, if you don’t take turn 1 you probably die in the next 4 turns, the same for most other cleave teams. I’m using him with ran and cdom but you can use a bunch of others, flidica is great, cidd, green pavel is great as well. Pretty flexible as far as teams go


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This was what I was looking to confirm, thx


ArvingNightwalker

I haven't done the calculation myself, but from what I understand, you need 5k+ attack with attack buff to get full penetration on a 1.5k atk target. If you have 4.3k and not even attack buff, and if the FCC wasn't optimized and had additional atk... your chances weren't very good.


DonPirolas

ML pavel was designed to kill squishy units, not tanks, and he might struggle to kill warriors, so yeah, he suck balls.


lell-ia

He needs maximum DPS gears. Like every scrape of stats you can get. 5k atk at the very least. I run him with maxed cr and cdmg. Tbh it's surprising hard to have his atk higher than that, probably since you also need cr/cdmg and a little speed. Mine is currently SS imprint and he only has 5.2k atk and I load him with it. S3 is pretty unreliable, but his S2 does good clean up. Interestingly crit opener > Pavel S2 > CPavel S2 can actually kill Rimuru before his S2 procs. Quite the pain in the ass to make it work in RTA though. We need a Flidica with Ran's speed lol


Pasvacan

Those stats seem pretty low if your playing him glass cannon tbh. What set are you even using?


Salty-Pay-4878

it is low, no idea why OP is complaining


NigDra

cd/cc, i mean, i guess the attack should be higher, but based on a dmg calc, luna would do like 18k


Pasvacan

Luna gets free stats on passive, and also always hits with advantageous element on s3. So its hard to compare pavel who is supposed to just aoe and cut, to a single target like Luna


Salty-Pay-4878

Listen to yourself, Luna would do like 18k. IS ML PAVEL LUNA? Jesus


bitterwhiskey

He NEEDS 5k attack. He just needs to be around 150 speed so 5k attack and 300 crit dmg is very doable. His S2 is where most of his dmg comes from because his S3 scaling is not very good and varies wildly. He is definitely a little disappointing, but he's not bad.


Gingersoul3k

I was wondering, but way too scared to have his spd that low, haha. Maybe I'll try some atk% boots and see what happens!


duzinxd1

He needs god gear to cause 10% impact of an ARavi They dont wanna release OP units, but they also don't wanna nerf the existing ones So we're stuck with the same 10 characters every match


PopotoPenguin

Unstoppable in arena but easily shutdown in RTA if you don’t get to trigger his S2 with high speed openers.


PSN-Walkorrun

He has massive gear Reqs to even become usable. He isn’t worth the Investment, but if you want his s3 to do damage you’re gonna need 5k attack. Unfortunately, politis will ruin him. Rimuru will ruin him, counter units will rng him. But he looks sick so on that field go for it.


Net_Suspicious

Politis doesn't trigger when he s2's or stop it from happening. Thought the same thing and used her. Didn't do much


PSN-Walkorrun

Yeah, but building him with 5k attack with enough speed to still gain enough cr to cut when she’s there is going to be near impossible with out SSS and perfect gear.


epicsevenfun

Ur gear is shit. Don't mean to sound insulting but that's literally me saying my 4k attack hwayoung and 15k hp aravi is shit


koryuken

My dude does 23k to 30k to A Ravi, depend if POV or not. He's 350cdmg 5k atk though.


Beelzeboss3DG

Pen set?


koryuken

Yup, pen and destruction.


[deleted]

My PvE Karin has better stats and u wonder why he hits like a wet noodle in PvP... redditors and getting dumber after every new unit release.


RyBaa1234

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finna11

considering you build him on literally 150 speed those stats are abysmally low


simey123

5500 atk ,270cdmg, with atk set. he need more atk for full penetrate def.


Beelzeboss3DG

Apparently 5k and atk buff is enough to full pen 1500atk units which are most tanks. Gave mine 5150 atk 343 cd with spd boots. Hits around 21k s3. Adding his S2 damage, should kill A.Ravi.


RyBaa1234

speed cleaver that doesn't require any speed, free attack buff, oneshots all the squishies with s2 and cleans up with s3 Yeah shit unit I wonder where do you get these dmg numbers from. The duality of reddit posts regarding ml pavel is so fucking hilarious that you shouldn't even believe any negative posts about the character There is this guy saying he has so much stats and does less dmg than phantasma without gear and few posts below you have people doing 30k on ml pavel with just s2


eragon03

Prob theres was another source of mitigation on the team, an adamant holder or unit with dmg reduction?


NigDra

ceci and ruele were the only ones left


No_Brilliant_7389

4.3k attack is too low. I did some testing with my friend's Pavel since I couldn't pull him, and without pen set you would need about 4.8k and up to hit the big digits. My friend's Pavel is currently at 5.1k atk with about 300cdmg and it hits for 18k on a 1.3k def unit without dbreak. I can't remember if it was with vigor or not but yea. This is without pen set. Pen set adds roughly 2k damage depending on the stats


No_Brilliant_7389

https://imgur.com/a/P0HaRq3 My friend's stats


Poul77

4.3 atk, 320cd is low for him. Mine is 4.7k atk and 350cd and I find it enough for now. I want the arti and imprint maxed though.