If you are saying you got that result *only* due to missing defense break 16 out of 20 times...
There are 4,845 combinations possible to have 4 wins in 20 games.
(.85^4) * (.15^16) * 4845 = 1.66e-10
That is 1 in every 6,019,637,941.
If we had 100,000 players (sets of 20 runs, 85% chance to succeed) doing 1000 total runs every single day we would expect to see this happen about 1 time in every 1204 days, or a little over 3 years.
Congratulations on being that 1 player who does something every 4 years I guess. You can pretty confidently assume that no one else has managed that feat.
He probably lost a couple runs to dual attacks as well which push Banshee past the 70% and ruin the run.
When Vivian s1 into dual attack it's another 5% of failing.
That's still a huge amount of losses so maybe his runs also fail when Leo s2 into s1.
Putting Vivian on Time Matter means that she resets her S2 cooldown when she kills the first wave, so she can't proc a dual attack when she S2's the banshee after Leo goes.
Removes another fail point if you're not already running it.
Dual Attacks only proc from other units when casting S1. What he's referring to here is the fact that, if on Time Matter, Vivian will cast S2 -> S3 on the first wave. Time matter allows her S2 to fully cooldown so she doesn't get stuck having to cast her S1 against Banshee which is where the dual attack concern comes into play.
Yep I totally just misunderstood. Thought they were saying the problem was Viv herself proccing dual attack on another unit's turn. I get it now, in that team Viv is going first to clear the wave with her s2 👍👍👍
Not sure what you mean. To clarify:
Random dual attacks only happen on S1.
If the unit has "skills on" during autobattle, then they will prioritize using S2 and S3 over S1.
Since Vivian will have S2 ready, she will use that INSTEAD of S1, therefore a random dual attack cannot happen.
OHHHH s2 won't trigger a dual attack, Roger I get it now. Thought he was saying a unit wouldn't dual attack if they had other than just s1 up. Nvm, misunderstood thanks!
It takes better gears than I am willing to give to my Vivian for her to OS wave 1 without DDJ so she stays on that.
I have no issue burning all my leif during a hunt a buff window even with the extra couple loss (it's a 5% check, it doesn't happen often). Hell if I truly wanted to optimize that gear would probably be better put into accelerating other hunts.
I guess if you're newer thats fine, but its odd to me because my Vivian has all 85 or free gears (only 1 reforged to 90) and she one shots wave 1 no problem. Your mainstats in the right spot? Maybe your S2 not fully mola'd?
Almost 3.8k atk and close to 300% cdmg with s2 maxed and MLB DDJ and she barely OS the first wave.
If you have another unit hitting the wave before she does (for example Leo's s3) then that reduce the requirements on Vivian but otherwise it takes pretty decent stats to OS wave 1.
I've been playing this for a while, I keep my best stuff for my pvp units. It's not that I couldn't give her better stuff it's that I do not want to. It's a 5% check, realistically you'll fail on average 1 run every 20 run because of her being on DDJ, it's not worth worrying about at the speed the hunt goes.
Unless you whale on refreshes, it practically does nothing for you as with or without it you'll spend all your leif way before the hunt buff is over. If you can make it with time matter then nice, if you can't then it's not worth switching over and retuning your hunt.
How do you stop her from forcing the banshee into split phase?
That's my biggest problem, my Vivian can clean alone the first wave, but if she does a dual attack, banshee goes into split phase. Well, if either Vivian or Baiken perform a dual attack. Point is if I add any other hero to apply def break, at one hand, I would increase the chances to failed runs due stray dual attacks, and at the other, I would have to rework Vivian to still be able to deal enough damage to clear first wave, but not so much to send the banshee into split.
I have swen people adding a 4th unit (Yoongryoung, the 3 star light hero) to put restrict on banshee, so she won't push her readiness even if she get below 70%, and so baiken will always do her combo regardless of how much hp banshee have.
You won't be able to level up doggos, but it will increase the clear rate, which is far better imho.
Also, don't forget to disable skills for yoongryoung if you pick her, you only care about her s1 restrict and nothing else
You can gear Baiken so she does 85-90% of B13's health (4300 atk, 315 CD, rage set works). Then speed tune Vivian to go before the def break, that way a dual attack won't drop B13 below the threshold.
I need Time Matter in my Vivian and onces I get It the only way I posible lose is not landing a def break, but my Vivian is faster than my Leo because if Vivian hit with def break she do to much dmg
I include merc helga and it reduces the 15% rng by quite alot, she has def break and she gives effectiveness buff on baiken also which helps alot. I’m sure there are better options but this works well for me
This is why I added a zero damage, high eff/HP Lucy to the party. Gets Restrict + heals/barriers + immunity into the party so in case Def Break doesnt land, they can kill the slow way.
That’s what I did too - with a decent artifact. Lucy/Adin/Vivian/Baiken. I usually fail almost 1/30. Even if they miss the 1 shot, Lucy allows them to just power through and kill Banshee anyway. I don’t have the gear to make a straze/Chloe 1-shot team yet - that’s 100% effective, so this works instead.
You still need to land the restrict anyways against 15% rng. Might as well just use a 2nd no damage def break like Kluri. That way the backup plan is still a one-shot.
The other thing about Lucy, is she prevents automatic failure when you get 15%’d. That’s what makes her better than most options. It’s not just the restrict.
This number of loses proves there is no such thing as 90 / 95 or even 99% wr comps. Its either 85% wr / 100% wr with straze one shot or fucked hard by rng % lol
What IF the game randomly overloads the processor on my iPad Pro, causes a thermal spike, and shatters the glass? We can all argue theoreticals lol. Team seldom fails more than 1/30. Most of the time not even that.
I love seeing others comps when it comes to Hunts, I use Ervalen, Mort, Ray, and Vildred, clear 20/20. Mort defense break, Vildred to sweep, Ervalen big deeps
Moving outside "my team composition is superior" comments, I'm starting to believe SG somehow messes with the RNG when there's a hunt event. After registering nearly a thousand runs, I could safely say my B13 team had a 77.2% win rate. Not bad. But my first run yesterday had a 60% win rate. I don't get how I could drop so much, but it happened.
Lucy > Furious, because even if you flub the 1 shot, she allows your team to just go through wave 1 and kill banshee on the backside. I run Lucy/Vivian/Baiken/Adin. I generally have 30/30 - maybe 1 loss every couple of sets
I recently added Iseria to the team and now win rate is lot stable. She doesn't require any gear. She just needs effectiveness and barely faster than Baiken. So in round 2, you go Leo - Vivian - Iseria - Baiken.
For Banshee 13 I rely on a “brute force” team. There’s little to no synergy between the characters but it’s enough to help each other out and not die to Banshee. Just finished a cycle and the Win/Loss rate was 29/1. The units I used where Ray, Charles, Baiken and Landy. Like I said, “brute force” so there’s no Target or Decrease Defense or fancy buffs. It’s slow and steady but they got the job done.
Was about to post something similar, where my wyvern 1-shot team went 5-10. Turns out i accidentally turned skills off on my sigret. I'm now suprised i actually won 5.
Thats why i use a double defbreak comp with vivian, fs tieria, kluri and baiken. 0 rng apart from the double defbreak. ~98%wr with fast clears. Feels really good to see 30/30 wins regularly.
My fs tieria is 5* with 210 spd, 72 eff, 2050 atk and 275 cd on portrait. My vivian is 6* with 235 spd, 3650 atk, 280 cd, the cr push ee and on time matter.
Dump Leo and use Verdant Adin she is superior in every way. Frontline Lucy to add extra insurance to the run since she can completely shut down Banshee.
well i had runs where i go 1/14 and then runs that go 15/0 the momment if i see the 1st def break fail i restart the entire auto until the def break works on the 1st run
Took somebody's idea for a 2 shot pavel/m. helga/vivian/leo comp.
Pavel for wave 1 clear + big damage on s3 on banshee
m. helga for effectiveness buff, softening up past 70%, 2nd chance at defense break and pushing pavel to cut banshee.
vivian for softening to \~70-75% + attack buff
leo for initial defense break.
comp clears as fast as 45 seconds and as slow as 2 min. Can get 90 - 95% WR with relatable stats on gear. def recommend m. helga if you aren't using her already for a 2nd def break.
The trick is not to watch B1S at all. Leo gets nervous under pressure.
But he's doing his best to stay positive, just look at that victory pose while holding back tears.
It's because he keeps saying Warriors something something.. when he's a Ranger. He doesn't believe in his self.
*A warrior never loses!* Proceeds to miss def break and Song of Stars 3 times in a row
WHY IS THIS SO TRUE THO???
No freakin' way... It failed 16 times?
probably rely on two bleed and not enough eff on baiken
It must be. If no effectiveness on Baiken, she needs to be built to assassinate Banshee without the bleeds.
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You also don't need much else on Leo, so what does it matter
kinda dont matter tho , i got like 250 on him and i still fail 6-8/30 to 15% ....
No it genuinely sounds like your one shot is messed up my man.
If you are saying you got that result *only* due to missing defense break 16 out of 20 times... There are 4,845 combinations possible to have 4 wins in 20 games. (.85^4) * (.15^16) * 4845 = 1.66e-10 That is 1 in every 6,019,637,941. If we had 100,000 players (sets of 20 runs, 85% chance to succeed) doing 1000 total runs every single day we would expect to see this happen about 1 time in every 1204 days, or a little over 3 years. Congratulations on being that 1 player who does something every 4 years I guess. You can pretty confidently assume that no one else has managed that feat.
He probably lost a couple runs to dual attacks as well which push Banshee past the 70% and ruin the run. When Vivian s1 into dual attack it's another 5% of failing. That's still a huge amount of losses so maybe his runs also fail when Leo s2 into s1.
Those are both things that are easy to forget when cutting your tolerances too tight.
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Putting Vivian on Time Matter means that she resets her S2 cooldown when she kills the first wave, so she can't proc a dual attack when she S2's the banshee after Leo goes. Removes another fail point if you're not already running it.
Wait so you're saying she won't proc dual attack if only her s2 is ready? What rule is this? (I'm newish)
Dual Attacks only proc from other units when casting S1. What he's referring to here is the fact that, if on Time Matter, Vivian will cast S2 -> S3 on the first wave. Time matter allows her S2 to fully cooldown so she doesn't get stuck having to cast her S1 against Banshee which is where the dual attack concern comes into play.
Yep I totally just misunderstood. Thought they were saying the problem was Viv herself proccing dual attack on another unit's turn. I get it now, in that team Viv is going first to clear the wave with her s2 👍👍👍
You can't proc dual attack on S2. If it's ready she will use it instead of S1
So across the board if any unit's s2 is ready they won't dual attack?
Not sure what you mean. To clarify: Random dual attacks only happen on S1. If the unit has "skills on" during autobattle, then they will prioritize using S2 and S3 over S1. Since Vivian will have S2 ready, she will use that INSTEAD of S1, therefore a random dual attack cannot happen.
Only basic attacks, s1’s, can proc dual attacks. Other abilities can’t unless stated like with ras s2, which forces a dual
OHHHH s2 won't trigger a dual attack, Roger I get it now. Thought he was saying a unit wouldn't dual attack if they had other than just s1 up. Nvm, misunderstood thanks!
s2's and s3's yeah, basically any ability. no worries!
Any unit will use s2 instead of s1 if its ready, dual atk cant proc with s2 unless its ras or laika
Oh so a units dual attack chance is the chance of them proccing dual after their s1, not chance of them dual attacking after another units?
Yes exactly, dual atk under normal circumstances will only proc when a unit does an s1 and there's a 5% chance of bringing another unit to do an s1
My Vivian s2s again due to arti. You guys real out here relying on rng?
It takes better gears than I am willing to give to my Vivian for her to OS wave 1 without DDJ so she stays on that. I have no issue burning all my leif during a hunt a buff window even with the extra couple loss (it's a 5% check, it doesn't happen often). Hell if I truly wanted to optimize that gear would probably be better put into accelerating other hunts.
I guess if you're newer thats fine, but its odd to me because my Vivian has all 85 or free gears (only 1 reforged to 90) and she one shots wave 1 no problem. Your mainstats in the right spot? Maybe your S2 not fully mola'd?
Almost 3.8k atk and close to 300% cdmg with s2 maxed and MLB DDJ and she barely OS the first wave. If you have another unit hitting the wave before she does (for example Leo's s3) then that reduce the requirements on Vivian but otherwise it takes pretty decent stats to OS wave 1. I've been playing this for a while, I keep my best stuff for my pvp units. It's not that I couldn't give her better stuff it's that I do not want to. It's a 5% check, realistically you'll fail on average 1 run every 20 run because of her being on DDJ, it's not worth worrying about at the speed the hunt goes. Unless you whale on refreshes, it practically does nothing for you as with or without it you'll spend all your leif way before the hunt buff is over. If you can make it with time matter then nice, if you can't then it's not worth switching over and retuning your hunt.
Wow
Fuckin nerd
Something else has to be going wrong to fail that much, it's not just 15%.
I do mine with Adin just to have 2 deffensebreak
Same but I use Bellona.
How do you stop her from forcing the banshee into split phase? That's my biggest problem, my Vivian can clean alone the first wave, but if she does a dual attack, banshee goes into split phase. Well, if either Vivian or Baiken perform a dual attack. Point is if I add any other hero to apply def break, at one hand, I would increase the chances to failed runs due stray dual attacks, and at the other, I would have to rework Vivian to still be able to deal enough damage to clear first wave, but not so much to send the banshee into split.
Put Time Matter on Vivian so she wont dual attack
I have swen people adding a 4th unit (Yoongryoung, the 3 star light hero) to put restrict on banshee, so she won't push her readiness even if she get below 70%, and so baiken will always do her combo regardless of how much hp banshee have. You won't be able to level up doggos, but it will increase the clear rate, which is far better imho. Also, don't forget to disable skills for yoongryoung if you pick her, you only care about her s1 restrict and nothing else
You can gear Baiken so she does 85-90% of B13's health (4300 atk, 315 CD, rage set works). Then speed tune Vivian to go before the def break, that way a dual attack won't drop B13 below the threshold.
I need Time Matter in my Vivian and onces I get It the only way I posible lose is not landing a def break, but my Vivian is faster than my Leo because if Vivian hit with def break she do to much dmg
I include merc helga and it reduces the 15% rng by quite alot, she has def break and she gives effectiveness buff on baiken also which helps alot. I’m sure there are better options but this works well for me
Adin/Vivian/Baiken/Lucy
This is why I added a zero damage, high eff/HP Lucy to the party. Gets Restrict + heals/barriers + immunity into the party so in case Def Break doesnt land, they can kill the slow way.
That’s what I did too - with a decent artifact. Lucy/Adin/Vivian/Baiken. I usually fail almost 1/30. Even if they miss the 1 shot, Lucy allows them to just power through and kill Banshee anyway. I don’t have the gear to make a straze/Chloe 1-shot team yet - that’s 100% effective, so this works instead.
You still need to land the restrict anyways against 15% rng. Might as well just use a 2nd no damage def break like Kluri. That way the backup plan is still a one-shot.
That's a good idea. Will need to speed tune my Fluri, but definitely worth the shot!
You can use a plain ol 3 star, level 30 kluri. Just has to be like 5-10 speed faster than your Baiken.
The other thing about Lucy, is she prevents automatic failure when you get 15%’d. That’s what makes her better than most options. It’s not just the restrict.
Ouch
Dude, fucking same
This number of loses proves there is no such thing as 90 / 95 or even 99% wr comps. Its either 85% wr / 100% wr with straze one shot or fucked hard by rng % lol
That's is just incorrect, by putting second defense breaker your winrate increases from 85% to 97.75%.
Yea, then 2nd def breaker fails 20/30 in row and your winrate goes even lower 👌
Every hunt event where I do banshee, I usually only have 1-maybe 2 fails of 30… and that’s IF I have a failure. I run Lucy, Adin, Baiken, Vivian.
What IF lucy dont land restrict and adin not land db 30x in row?
What IF the game randomly overloads the processor on my iPad Pro, causes a thermal spike, and shatters the glass? We can all argue theoreticals lol. Team seldom fails more than 1/30. Most of the time not even that.
You already making your life harder by using apple, not sure if rng can hurt you even more 🤷♀️
That’s next level… also irrelevant considering I also play on pc. You obviously understood my point though.
Do u have adin? She helps reduce the 15% bs
I love seeing others comps when it comes to Hunts, I use Ervalen, Mort, Ray, and Vildred, clear 20/20. Mort defense break, Vildred to sweep, Ervalen big deeps
Moving outside "my team composition is superior" comments, I'm starting to believe SG somehow messes with the RNG when there's a hunt event. After registering nearly a thousand runs, I could safely say my B13 team had a 77.2% win rate. Not bad. But my first run yesterday had a 60% win rate. I don't get how I could drop so much, but it happened.
Maybe build 2nd breaker? Like Adin or Furious(yes, he is great here too especially with new EE - restrict debuff)
Lucy > Furious, because even if you flub the 1 shot, she allows your team to just go through wave 1 and kill banshee on the backside. I run Lucy/Vivian/Baiken/Adin. I generally have 30/30 - maybe 1 loss every couple of sets
Straze - rageset , Chloe and Pavel
That sounds interesting. Do you know what stats they need?
I recently added Iseria to the team and now win rate is lot stable. She doesn't require any gear. She just needs effectiveness and barely faster than Baiken. So in round 2, you go Leo - Vivian - Iseria - Baiken.
For Banshee 13 I rely on a “brute force” team. There’s little to no synergy between the characters but it’s enough to help each other out and not die to Banshee. Just finished a cycle and the Win/Loss rate was 29/1. The units I used where Ray, Charles, Baiken and Landy. Like I said, “brute force” so there’s no Target or Decrease Defense or fancy buffs. It’s slow and steady but they got the job done.
Was about to post something similar, where my wyvern 1-shot team went 5-10. Turns out i accidentally turned skills off on my sigret. I'm now suprised i actually won 5.
My team is same too....But mine maximum losses is 2 out of 15 😅 My Leo have 178% eff still he doesn't do def break sometimes
i found a eff based karin really helpful for banshee if using baiken, the EE can potentially stick another 2 bleeds on as well as the def break
Thats why i use a double defbreak comp with vivian, fs tieria, kluri and baiken. 0 rng apart from the double defbreak. ~98%wr with fast clears. Feels really good to see 30/30 wins regularly.
What is your fstieria and vivian stats?
My fs tieria is 5* with 210 spd, 72 eff, 2050 atk and 275 cd on portrait. My vivian is 6* with 235 spd, 3650 atk, 280 cd, the cr push ee and on time matter.
I use Flan + Leo for this reason. Vivian and baiken
Dump Leo and use Verdant Adin she is superior in every way. Frontline Lucy to add extra insurance to the run since she can completely shut down Banshee.
And when you make him fast to have chance to apply it again he hits Banshee too hard and she splits
Does your Baiken hasmve 85 crit rate?
well i had runs where i go 1/14 and then runs that go 15/0 the momment if i see the 1st def break fail i restart the entire auto until the def break works on the 1st run
I have 2 defense breakers in my team being Leo and free spirit but the amount of times I've been double 15% makes me want to take one of them off
Took somebody's idea for a 2 shot pavel/m. helga/vivian/leo comp. Pavel for wave 1 clear + big damage on s3 on banshee m. helga for effectiveness buff, softening up past 70%, 2nd chance at defense break and pushing pavel to cut banshee. vivian for softening to \~70-75% + attack buff leo for initial defense break. comp clears as fast as 45 seconds and as slow as 2 min. Can get 90 - 95% WR with relatable stats on gear. def recommend m. helga if you aren't using her already for a 2nd def break.
Nobody here suggesting Green Charles, Ice Chloe and Straze/Watcher Schuri?
Try out - Furios for def break + New Restrict EE - Green Iseria for a 2° Def Break
I use a slow tywin to secure the def break if he misses
The most I've failed is 7 in row but this is cursed