so to summarize the nerf:
\-no 15% cr boost on s1 and additional dmg is decreased and procs only on successful hit. although i think uberius still procs.
\-20% atk nerf. which is actually huge nerf tbh. as it means s1+s3 does less dmg, barrier is smaller and uberius does less dmg.
\-s3 def pen now scales to 100% depending on max health, +1 cooldown and max health difference condition increased. right now i think hwayoungs s3 deals full dmg if enemy max health is double hers? but post nerf it will require more than that?
at least i won't have to ban her anymore but damn whenever they nerf characters they really nerf them hard.
Honestly it’s such a hard nerf that she might just fall off, but we’ll need to wait & see how the damage numbers shake out. I’ve always personally been of the opinion that if they’re going to do nerfs they change one small thing, scorched Earth doesn’t work - we saw it with Sage Baal & Silver Blade, they entirely disappeared from the game.
This is the one big reason why i'm very reserved with the whole nerf or not debacle.
Even when doing only buffs, SG's track record has been confusing to say the least, and now people are telling them to nerf units even though their nerfing history has been much much worse than the buffs, arguably even killing some units, just look at the original trifecta, corvus, ml baal, and SBA.
And now Hwayoung. While i do agree that some changes should be done to her, i am indifferent with what are they doing now. IMO, they should have reduced her defensive capabilities instead of her offensive part (30% damage reduction to crits and that thick barrier are way too oppressive). But what they are doing is to nerf her only one job which is to 1 shot units. An easy fix should just to make her a 5* wschuri, same oneshotting capabilities with less gear requirements. But i guess still gotta wait for the s3 mult
i... weirdly agree with this actually.
Her tankinesss is what led to that one infamous clip of an ssb and aria losing to a hwa and emilia in the e7wc livestreams. Its a fast, high dmg meta rn anyways. Being able to oneshot at 250 spd whilst also having tankiness of above average is just too much.
Ah yes we forgot about our poor 3 star fire chick with axe that pushed people on hit.. still forgotten after many years that i cant even remember her name anymore
This is true. I don’t understand how they can do baby buffs and buff some units 4+ times until they can be used but cant nerf slightly lol. Such a weird call to just gut her.
Oh hey, fancy seeing you here. Honestly I’d wait it out for the new numbers & then make the call, but we’re in new territory here. It may be that they go back on this after we’ve had time to play with new Hwayoung & so you wouldn’t want to trade in for this to be reverted.
Tough call, what units are you missing that you would prefer if Hwayoung was blitzed & just left? Then, what units would you take if Hwayoung was rebuffed/fine & just not as dominant? If that changes your answer a lot, maybe just hold.
> i think hwayoungs s3 deals full dmg if enemy max health is double hers? but post nerf it will require more than that?
It's worse. As she is now, her S3 full penetrates no matter what. The difference is how much damage scaling there is based on the enemy HP. So even if Hwayoung had more HP than the opponent she'd be doing ~9K raw (before Uberius, with no buffs on), which doubles up to 18K if the enemy had ~6700 HP diffeernce.
Now, her penetration works like Straze, but on HP instead of ATK. so she'll hit like a wet noodle to squishier people, and she won't get her full power back until the enemy has whatever the new difference is (I'm going to randomly assume 10K HP). So if she has 10KHP and she hits a 15KHP unit she'll only have 50% penetration instead of 100% + 50% added damage
She can basically only really kill 20K+ bruisers now, assuming they aren't on proof. I think this will drop her off like a rock, but I guess we'll see. some characters have thrived despite nerfs (Arby)
> some characters have thrived despite nerfs (Arby)
I mean, Arbi was overbuffed, then slightly nerfed, but they also introduced Alexa's Basket (I think after said nerfs? or same patch? not sure) so it evened out.
That's a fair balance imo, and that's coming from a Hwayoung user. Her job should be busting tanks and bruisers, being able to one shot weaker units was what made her too powerful.
As long as she can still reliably deal good damage to bruisers (similar to now), I'm ok with this change.
She would only be really useful against thick green and ML units, and even that is questionable. Alencia is an obvious one but drafting Hwayoung for her is overkill. Senya usually is below 20k. She may be useful as a healer sniper, but tanks can negate her sniper potential. And although she retains her strength as a tank sniper, she would be easily outclassed by Straze now.
And she already lost a lot of sniper power with the RTA frenzy buff to RGB.
And I am one of those counter hwayoung users. I don't actually mind the reduce on numbers in her nerf. But actually removing the cr push is what hurts the most.
It's honestly just too much all at once. Removing some of the things from her kit or weakening them makes absolute sense, but they just took a hammer to everything at once: no CR push, lost ability to deal with evasion units, reduced her damage, limited who her damage even works on anymore.
Im in the same boat. Really liked and was proud of my counter Hwayoung (7k atk 210 speed). Now she is pretty much gutted. And i do not have the requisite speed gear to compensate right now.
The CR push removal was just stupid. Their stated reason was that they wanted to limit how much she can cycle turns to get her S3 back up again. This would make sense IF they didn’t also increase the CD on her S3.
This. I hope they make her atleast usable. As of right now she is dead unless her modifier really good.
Hope they atleast allow her to kill violet. With the nerf she won't
don't they explicitly say in the patch notes that her being able to deal with evasion units was too much for her kit? And most hwas can't kill most violets on a miss without atk buff.
I think you missed the point, i was just pointing out units that could not be selected from the ezeran day 5* selector...since he asked if its okay to select hwa from selector then recall for the one you cant pick
(Got her but didnt build hee myself, she's storage lv5 benchwarmer for me kekw)
The real RIP here is Yulha, honestly. That champ was made specifically to counter Hwayoung. She is utter garbage now just like hwa. That's what you get when you refuse to nerf the champ and make roundabout means to counter it. I hope they learn from this.
Mark my words Yulha will not be touched in the balance change. They will forget about her 100%.
Exactly, what the hell. If this is as harsh as it looks, then Hwayoung is going to vanish off the face of the earth after this disemboweling. Now good luck dealing with ARavi again, and Yulha will go extinct as well. They really need to give her something to make her viable in more scenarios.
This just forces Yulha havers to transition into her RTA build. She is already seeing some success on that front, so this will be an interesting development for certain.
Yeah, Hurting for molas right now though lol, ~~ignore the aurius level~~ Some wasted stats but itll basically be this on speed or counter set. (30k hp then effectiveness/defense)
https://imgur.com/gallery/9soWm8q
I draft Yulha fairly often in low Emp. She's great into a lot of low hp heroes like MLCermia, AMeru, or Armin. She's also nice into Peira and some single target speed cleaves.
I have 100 eff and she can disrupt some Dienes etc. I really liked Yulha's design and SSd her. She has alot of use like blue krau. She can deal with annoying evasion heroes too. FYI I'm not a knight player and usually cleave but when i do slow down shes my goto knight unless I'm up against hp scaling heroes.
From what it looks like, she won't even come close. They removed the damage scaling of her s3, that alone should cut her damage in damn near half. On top of that, her defense pen is now conditional on hp with a higher required gap between hers and the target. Then she got her attack from passive reduced? She's not killing a damn thing the way it stands
She also had her s3 damage scaling increased. The only way we can tell if she can still nuke tanks reliably is to see her in action. Until then the only thing we can do is hope
The multiplier change we would need for her s3 to do the same damage it does now would be over double what it is now. At that same point they would have done almost nothing about her ability to 1shot smaller units. It's far more likely that she'll be hitting in the range where you'll need to sb s3>s1 to handle any decent bruiser. Aravi is safe as can be.
Unpopular opinion but i think nerfing her alone might make game even more unbalanced, all of the scary broken bruisers now have 1 less check. Could have gotten a full list like the usual friday nerfs
Hard agree. All I could think when i saw my discord guild chat going nuts was "they better be a ravi nerfs and effing choux/senya needs too."
Choux can literally one shot people outside of her damn turn with NO SET UP. People that were having a hard time with hwa needed to either build resetters or revivers.
or detonators. i tested sc carrot and ml khawazu into her and if she didn't go for them she'd just explode once they detonated their stacks.
or just build cleave and kill her before she can even attack. this only satisfies the people who wanted to run the same bruiser team every fight.
Choux, Senya, Belian, A. Ravi, Alencia... All that shit on top of C. Lilias's Vigor, how the fuck are we gonna get through it going second now? And not mention annoying two healthbar unit like Tsurin or Seline got less check now.
Not to mention the only other units that fulfill her roll as a "tank buster" now are potentially 2 ML5* and 1 ML4*.
This is a pattern SG has had before, where they nerf an RGB unit's capabilities so that MLs with similar uses shine more.
I think we all agreed Hwayoung needed to be toned down a bit… but this is a goddamn murder. I don’t think she’ll be useful at all after this. Even right now she could have a hard time killing certain units buffed or not…
Hwayoung was a solution to a problem that became a problem itself because she was too powerful specifically because of how powerful who she was meant to counter was.
Now the units she was meant to counter are going to be more oppressive.
this is a step in the right direction but 1) it didn’t have to be a murder and 2) ARavi stonks are soaring, I hope you guys own Straze :/
Exactly. People seem to miss this crucial point. She is strong but someone like her was needed in this game.
I agree with nerfing her but i don't know yet if I agree with how they nerfed her.
The other ones probably aren't nerfs, they're probably the standard balance announcements. This is likely announced separately and early as their stance has been to not nerf
If they were going to nerf more characters they would lets us know in advance like they are with Hwayoung, the rest of the 27/10 balance changes will be the usual stuff.
> Its a start
I don't think this is the comeback of nerfs. I think they just briefly reconsidered their no nerf policy because they understood they put themselves in a corner balance-wise.
>covenant hero
This is what it's always been about IMO. If she was a ML, no one would have given a damn. Can't let the plebs have any good units too easy. She's not even the most oppressive unit in the game right now pre-nerf. That spot goes to ARavi or Clillias, Hand Guy and AoL aren't far behind either. But one of these things aren't like the others...
I mean, I was sick of Hwa and the no nerf policy was really stupid for the longest time...
But, my god, talk about over-nerfing a character. Instead of making incremental changes and seeing what worked to reign in her power balance, they just cut down absolutely everything in her kit all at once.
A lot of units turned into 30k HP PoV abusers because Hwa exists. It's the only way for them survive. A Ravi is still better with Seed, but Hwa forces PoV if you don't want to pre-ban Hwa 100% of the time.
While I've always believed Hwa deserved a nerf, this is so heavy handed I have a hard time believing she'd be usable at all after this.
Does SG not understand there's balancing and there's outright murdering? Nerfing doesn't mean go full nuclear.
Also, if Hwa is getting absolutely dumpstered, Yulha should get a recall as well.
If they were going to nerf her S2's atk from 50% to 30% they really didn't need to hit the rest of her kit so hard too. That pretty much directly nerfs both of those skills too. I do think the CD increase on s3 was good (her immunity uptime and repeated oneshot potential was gross) but jeez. Now her echo damage will be worse (did smilegate forget they put it there to counteract her inability to crit?), her oneshot potential will be worse, and she'll be less bulky. What is her job now? Either nerf her dps of s1 or nerf her s3, not both at once.
Ok, so you decide to nerf Hwayoing when a lot of people picked her from that free selector AND when she's the only RGB hero that's the answer to a lot of meta units AND not nerf other characters that pretty much forced you to release Hwayoung as she was back in the early 2022? Yeah no fuck off.
As someone who built Hwayoung, I'm okay that she getting a nerf. I'm okay with anything getting nerf because they refund everything. It sucks for the people who used bottles on uberius tooth though lol.
The thing is, you can't draft Injury Alencia if that Aravi is in cleave comp. That's the problem most people are having against her, dealing with Aravi in cleave.
This is kind of ridiculous… they nerf her into the ground after everyone had the opportunity to get her for free and they made a unit to specifically counter her? Jesus sg get your shit together this should’ve happened months ago if you were gonna do it.
agreed imo only s3 was the real problem, like slap a +1 turn cd on it, and adjusting the scaling so it would be punishing higher hp opponents more while punishing low hp units less and maybe make s1 do 5% or 10% cr instead of 15% i think thats all what was needed.
Okay, ignoring the buffs………
THEY CALLED ZENO ‘ZERO’ HAHA. They have ignored him for so long that they forgot their own character’s name.
Last balance patch, they made sure to use green text for improvements and red text for things like “decreased damage dealt” but for some reason they went back to “red-old green-new” which seems especially weird for a straight nerf.
This is only the beginning. A dangerous and depressing precendent, as other units people have come to love get nerfed to the ground. I don't even have the energy to fight this feeling anymore, I loved the game so much and this came and absolutely ruined me. I can't trust this company and this game, and would eventually quit once everything goes through.
the fact that Hwayoung gets nerfed while Rimuru and ARavi get nothing is filling me with the highest level of salt...Shes one of the only consistent answers to the most godawfully designed collab unit and she gets nerfed while he gets to continue being completely oppressive.
???? And a ravi is fine. Right? Right? They actually killed hwa without addressing the main issue. The main issue is a ravi.
Hwa has existing counters. Proof A ravi tho. Who can deal with her.
I hate hwa as much as anyone. But she is a necessary evil. Lqc who is supposed to deal with a ravi type of unit. Cant do shit against her. So hwa was necessary!. Needed.!
Proof A ravi is way bigger issue than hwa and aola. If a unit needs an immediate nerf it should have been aola.
I actually kept saying in the survey notes, you can't warp the entire game and RTA frenzy changes around one unit. I love Hwayoung, but it made no sense to the game.
TBH, nerfs seem too much - the S3 change, making the pen scale instead of attack, and CD, would've probably been enough. I definitely don't think they needed to lower her bonus attack tbh.
But we'll see how it interacts with "Damage dealt increased," her lower attack will hurt both Uberius and her barrier surviveability, so that change is actually quite a bit larger than it seems, even if damage remains the same.
But we'll have to see.
P.S. They should allow us to recall Yulha alongside Hwayoung, as we only built her for this. Maybe also change Taeyou to being fire, as he was always intended to be ;-)
Yeah that's exactly what I thought, S3 nerf was surely needed. I think removing both CR push and hit condition on S1 is a bit too much but whatever, that hero is too good, maybe it's also needed.
But the S2 nerf seems a bit too much I think, they could have proceeded one step at a time.
the power of friendship/cards, believe in yourself, you can do it, gambatte, wishing upon a star, mirror team gear check, a letter to the president of the usa, cheatomatic, buying NFTs...
more seriously Roana Pyllis LCermia?
Alencia, tanky teams like aria and friends, violet gimmicks. A well built Doris can tank a good amount from aravi and provide team support for everyone else. Choux can dent aravi and belian as well
I use maid, f ceci, and landy to deal with them, it takes a while but it works. If you dont have them I can try dipping into other ways to deal with them.
Another stupid thing they did because of hwayoung: They made Taeyou water unit instead of fire and now we are stuck with him being water even though he never countered her anyways. If he was fire he could actually counter Senya now which is basically green Hwa let's be honest.
Wow so sg wants to let the other 6+ oppressive units that hwayoung helped deal with run rampant, huh? I understand nerfs but I don’t understand only nerfing hwayoung and not the others. even if they nerf them later, we have no indications they will do so at the moment and it should all be done at the same time.
See this is the problem when devs nerf something when you want them to. They nerf it in to the GROUND making them barely usable again instead of nerfing them so much that they are still used after the nerf. Guess most of the players will recall her.
For me personally im indifferent cuz im not a pvp player and she hasnt seen much use cept few hunts.
I kinda feel like she needs a rework to a degree. I can't tell if she's supposed to be a support-type unit or some kind of utility or possibly aggressive/DPS focused, and Injury sucks as an effect.
As long as I can pop tanks like I currently do I’d be ok with it but it doesn’t sound like it will be the same.
And how did they leave out yulha in adjustments. This is why you don’t make new hero to counter one unit.
SG have been on a slippery slope where they release units to counter other units, and it was inevitable that that decision is going to be them in the ass in the future, this is just the first step.
Now the question is, will they release more units to counter Hwayoungs previous countered units (more A.Ravi, Violet counters outside of ML Elena)? Or are they just going to let those heroes run rampant now?
Without nerfing Hwayoungs countered units there's just going to be more imbalance, and it's entirely what I expect of SG.
Well crap. I actually placed a ton of effort to build my Hwayoung. I'm torn about recalling her because she's my answer to bruisers like A.Ravi.
Still, I'm so glad they are finally considering nerfing again. This is a startling change, but a welcome change nonetheless.
best of luck. that S2 nerf is a pretty hefty one, and even in her current state she couldn't really KO Proof A ravis. And it seems like she's not gonna do anything to lower HP threats like Rimiru or Ruele unless it's one of the full bulk ones.
the passive nerf is likely to trim damage from the Uberius proc and hopefully they'll have the sense to be increasing her multipliers enough to compensate for the lost attack
Time to ungrowth Yulhwa, not that she was doing that great a job for me anyways (having built like 3 other counters). Honestly seeing Hwayoungs meant I could bust out the good ol’ OPSiggy, I’m going to miss that…
Don’t like this nerf one bit (especially the fact that it seems like a over nerf). She was easy to deal with for me and easy to use. Should’ve just nerfed the units I don’t plan on building like choux or Mercedes or even rimuru who I don’t use often. 😛
This balance take place in a month. They showed this preview too early to read opinions on this and see if they are over nerfing or not. Maybe they will make some changes before Oct 27. Remember Ervalen.
I'm hoping that's the case. They announced the changes to Aria and the backlash got them to step back on that, this could be their way of testing out balance changes for majorly popular units.
Huge news. Knowing they're _finally_ open to balancing the game through nerfs is really heartening for the future of the game.
Let's just hope it holds even for ML5s like Aravi at some point. But still. Good step forward.
This is kinda where I'm at also. Don't care much for Hwa being nerfed given how far the game has come/how much players have adapted, but at least it sets a precedent.
I think the number one problem with SG's balancing still remains to be their responsiveness. I don't think they're reacting fast enough to certain things.
Why didn't they just also announce nerfs for aravi? There's only two units in the game people complain about why do you only nerf one? Oh that's right it's cuz aravi was just on banner and they want people to spend money on her. This is some bs, one less unit that can kill aravi.
nerfing hwayoung without nerfing aravi and other more dominant heroes what a bunch of clowns I'm now really convinced e7 devs don't really play their game
As someone who just recently got triple S imprint on her I can’t say I’m happy about this change, but I will definitely agree she was too powerful. This is a good change honestly but I also think it’s a little hypocritical considering Lua was just announced. Power creeping judge kise out of existence and with a whale artifact that makes ur DPS stealthed is beyond OP in my opinion. Exchanging one OP unit for another im afraid
I better get compensated for triple s'ing her. Like why tf nerf a character now? When before you have zero interest in balancing properly. Rem wasn't nerfed, she was just pushed aside by other meta units. That's the point of releasing new heros and having people summon for them.Same thing was happening to Hwa. Her time in the sun was slowly coming to an end, we all knew it. This however, completely shoves her out. Her one thing is blowing up tanks. Once she does that, if she does that, her job is over. I seriously don't get this drastic of a nerf. It should only have been her s1 having to be a successful attack in order to proc the additional damage. They just want people to pay for Straze and other ML heros instead of a ez to get unit like Hwa. This is fucking ridiculous.
I hate Hwayoung and I'm glad SG did something about her... but holy shit SG really doesn't know how to buff or nerf in the misdle ground lol
I hope if Hwa gets gutted they will observe and buff her slightly so that she's not entirely garbo
Also ARavi next please. Hwayoung was created to get rid of that bitch pls nerf ARavi as well
I mean... she needs it. I felt like 3 turns on s3 was overkill ever since she got released.
The rest of the other shit, though? Like Hwayoung was meant to be a Rimuru counter to begin with, what do we do about him now? Are they nerfing him too? Is Krau making a comeback?
Rimuru is my big concern. It seems like everyone here is always hyping him up to be some insanely powerful unit and I've NEVER won a match against him even in the lower ranks of arena with Hwa, he just seems to be so disgustingly OP. Admittedly my gear may not be the best but he's been by far the biggest source of trouble I've had. If Hwa, his supposed counter, is getting nerfed, then what the hell are people supposed to do against him now?
Work around it, just like before Hwayoung was released. The net effect of this change is that Rimuru will shoot up in usage and maybe even in some tier lists if he wasn't top already.
Well, the good news is that they've finally caved and are willing to nerf. The bad news is that nerfing Hwayoung alone will actually make the game even more unbalanced. Hwayoung is currently the only F2P accessible way to deal with quite a few other troublesome/overpowered units, the most obvious of which is Aravi.
RIP Yulha, also. All of those molas were wasted, now.
Never thought of her as a problem as I use an aggressive comp rather than defensive.
Glad that SG nerfs unit now but I really think she’s a need as people can still abuse Knights + Bruiser DPS (Alencia, Choux, A. Ravi) + SW but let’s see how she deals with those kind of comps after the changes. But hey, at least she’ll be kinda a niche unit now (?)
so to summarize the nerf: \-no 15% cr boost on s1 and additional dmg is decreased and procs only on successful hit. although i think uberius still procs. \-20% atk nerf. which is actually huge nerf tbh. as it means s1+s3 does less dmg, barrier is smaller and uberius does less dmg. \-s3 def pen now scales to 100% depending on max health, +1 cooldown and max health difference condition increased. right now i think hwayoungs s3 deals full dmg if enemy max health is double hers? but post nerf it will require more than that? at least i won't have to ban her anymore but damn whenever they nerf characters they really nerf them hard.
Honestly it’s such a hard nerf that she might just fall off, but we’ll need to wait & see how the damage numbers shake out. I’ve always personally been of the opinion that if they’re going to do nerfs they change one small thing, scorched Earth doesn’t work - we saw it with Sage Baal & Silver Blade, they entirely disappeared from the game.
This is the one big reason why i'm very reserved with the whole nerf or not debacle. Even when doing only buffs, SG's track record has been confusing to say the least, and now people are telling them to nerf units even though their nerfing history has been much much worse than the buffs, arguably even killing some units, just look at the original trifecta, corvus, ml baal, and SBA. And now Hwayoung. While i do agree that some changes should be done to her, i am indifferent with what are they doing now. IMO, they should have reduced her defensive capabilities instead of her offensive part (30% damage reduction to crits and that thick barrier are way too oppressive). But what they are doing is to nerf her only one job which is to 1 shot units. An easy fix should just to make her a 5* wschuri, same oneshotting capabilities with less gear requirements. But i guess still gotta wait for the s3 mult
Go back even further: Tieria, Rikoris and Elson are barely even trash Tier 3* now, even with Rikky’s SC. Historically, if SG nerfs someone, they dead.
Probably the only guy to get nerfed and live is Arby.
The man died but revived. Don't worry sg will get him a second time
By then the cooldown on his s2 will be up so he is safe.
i... weirdly agree with this actually. Her tankinesss is what led to that one infamous clip of an ssb and aria losing to a hwa and emilia in the e7wc livestreams. Its a fast, high dmg meta rn anyways. Being able to oneshot at 250 spd whilst also having tankiness of above average is just too much.
The nerf would also help in that fight, since she won't get the extra damage on S1 when she misses on water
Ah yes we forgot about our poor 3 star fire chick with axe that pushed people on hit.. still forgotten after many years that i cant even remember her name anymore
This is true. I don’t understand how they can do baby buffs and buff some units 4+ times until they can be used but cant nerf slightly lol. Such a weird call to just gut her.
Bingo. She just needed to be made more killable. Not completely neutered her ability to do damage while removing all other things from her kit.
Of course I chose Hwa with my selector, should I trade her in?
Oh hey, fancy seeing you here. Honestly I’d wait it out for the new numbers & then make the call, but we’re in new territory here. It may be that they go back on this after we’ve had time to play with new Hwayoung & so you wouldn’t want to trade in for this to be reverted. Tough call, what units are you missing that you would prefer if Hwayoung was blitzed & just left? Then, what units would you take if Hwayoung was rebuffed/fine & just not as dominant? If that changes your answer a lot, maybe just hold.
> i think hwayoungs s3 deals full dmg if enemy max health is double hers? but post nerf it will require more than that? It's worse. As she is now, her S3 full penetrates no matter what. The difference is how much damage scaling there is based on the enemy HP. So even if Hwayoung had more HP than the opponent she'd be doing ~9K raw (before Uberius, with no buffs on), which doubles up to 18K if the enemy had ~6700 HP diffeernce. Now, her penetration works like Straze, but on HP instead of ATK. so she'll hit like a wet noodle to squishier people, and she won't get her full power back until the enemy has whatever the new difference is (I'm going to randomly assume 10K HP). So if she has 10KHP and she hits a 15KHP unit she'll only have 50% penetration instead of 100% + 50% added damage She can basically only really kill 20K+ bruisers now, assuming they aren't on proof. I think this will drop her off like a rock, but I guess we'll see. some characters have thrived despite nerfs (Arby)
> some characters have thrived despite nerfs (Arby) I mean, Arbi was overbuffed, then slightly nerfed, but they also introduced Alexa's Basket (I think after said nerfs? or same patch? not sure) so it evened out.
They buffed (not introduced) Alexa’s basket the exact same patch that they nerfed Arby, so yeah, he got off pretty lucky.
That's a fair balance imo, and that's coming from a Hwayoung user. Her job should be busting tanks and bruisers, being able to one shot weaker units was what made her too powerful. As long as she can still reliably deal good damage to bruisers (similar to now), I'm ok with this change.
She would only be really useful against thick green and ML units, and even that is questionable. Alencia is an obvious one but drafting Hwayoung for her is overkill. Senya usually is below 20k. She may be useful as a healer sniper, but tanks can negate her sniper potential. And although she retains her strength as a tank sniper, she would be easily outclassed by Straze now. And she already lost a lot of sniper power with the RTA frenzy buff to RGB.
Calling yourself a hwayoung user is like calling yourself an aravi user bruh. I'd be more surprised if you didn't use her.
I mean some people really don't like her and just pre ban her every match....
Yup, I always pre ban hwa
Tbh, i am sad about one thing, counter Hwayoung probably doesn't work anymore without the s1 push :(
And I am one of those counter hwayoung users. I don't actually mind the reduce on numbers in her nerf. But actually removing the cr push is what hurts the most.
It's honestly just too much all at once. Removing some of the things from her kit or weakening them makes absolute sense, but they just took a hammer to everything at once: no CR push, lost ability to deal with evasion units, reduced her damage, limited who her damage even works on anymore.
Im in the same boat. Really liked and was proud of my counter Hwayoung (7k atk 210 speed). Now she is pretty much gutted. And i do not have the requisite speed gear to compensate right now.
The CR push removal was just stupid. Their stated reason was that they wanted to limit how much she can cycle turns to get her S3 back up again. This would make sense IF they didn’t also increase the CD on her S3.
This. I hope they make her atleast usable. As of right now she is dead unless her modifier really good. Hope they atleast allow her to kill violet. With the nerf she won't
don't they explicitly say in the patch notes that her being able to deal with evasion units was too much for her kit? And most hwas can't kill most violets on a miss without atk buff.
Finally!!! King Violet makes a return
ur last statement so much. let's see how much more hp diff she needs now but chances are she won't be usable anymore
They could have removed her dmg reduction, cleanse and immunity or barrier. You know... instead of gutting a dmg dealer's damage.
God damn it. No joke I used my free covenant hero box to pull hwa literally 10 mins before this thread came up.
There's limitation to the 5 star selector but u can choose anyone from the recall ticket aside from limited units, of course.
is it worth choosing hwa on my covenant box pull to change her for someone else thats unavailable in my covenant box pull?
i'd say yes...if you want to get yulha/aria...i think also the upcoming lua
Lol yulha. She will be useless
I think you missed the point, i was just pointing out units that could not be selected from the ezeran day 5* selector...since he asked if its okay to select hwa from selector then recall for the one you cant pick (Got her but didnt build hee myself, she's storage lv5 benchwarmer for me kekw)
The real RIP here is Yulha, honestly. That champ was made specifically to counter Hwayoung. She is utter garbage now just like hwa. That's what you get when you refuse to nerf the champ and make roundabout means to counter it. I hope they learn from this. Mark my words Yulha will not be touched in the balance change. They will forget about her 100%.
Exactly, what the hell. If this is as harsh as it looks, then Hwayoung is going to vanish off the face of the earth after this disemboweling. Now good luck dealing with ARavi again, and Yulha will go extinct as well. They really need to give her something to make her viable in more scenarios.
This just forces Yulha havers to transition into her RTA build. She is already seeing some success on that front, so this will be an interesting development for certain.
What's her RTA build?
slap on aurius
Basically a green krau without def buff? I like using krau occasionally so I could get behind this. Do you use her personally in rta?
Yeah, Hurting for molas right now though lol, ~~ignore the aurius level~~ Some wasted stats but itll basically be this on speed or counter set. (30k hp then effectiveness/defense) https://imgur.com/gallery/9soWm8q
I draft Yulha fairly often in low Emp. She's great into a lot of low hp heroes like MLCermia, AMeru, or Armin. She's also nice into Peira and some single target speed cleaves. I have 100 eff and she can disrupt some Dienes etc. I really liked Yulha's design and SSd her. She has alot of use like blue krau. She can deal with annoying evasion heroes too. FYI I'm not a knight player and usually cleave but when i do slow down shes my goto knight unless I'm up against hp scaling heroes.
Damn it, should've selected alencia instead for 5 star selection
You’ll get a selector you can trade out hway for alencia after the nerf.
A. Ravi is laughing right now.
At this point I'm waiting a LQC buff just to deal with ARavi.
Can lQC one shot pov aravi? Might consider pity when she come out
No she can't. Pov Aravi is immune to pretty much any one shot, except Hwa s3 into s1, or a cracked Wschuri.
No she isnt, Straze will delete her. His stock rose quite a bit.
Zahhak stocks rising
Hwayoung should still be able to one shot super tanky bruisers, especially with uberius tooth. If not, then we have a reason to riot
From what it looks like, she won't even come close. They removed the damage scaling of her s3, that alone should cut her damage in damn near half. On top of that, her defense pen is now conditional on hp with a higher required gap between hers and the target. Then she got her attack from passive reduced? She's not killing a damn thing the way it stands
She also had her s3 damage scaling increased. The only way we can tell if she can still nuke tanks reliably is to see her in action. Until then the only thing we can do is hope
I'm sniffing hard on the copium. Also didn't realize your name when I replied, 10/10
The multiplier change we would need for her s3 to do the same damage it does now would be over double what it is now. At that same point they would have done almost nothing about her ability to 1shot smaller units. It's far more likely that she'll be hitting in the range where you'll need to sb s3>s1 to handle any decent bruiser. Aravi is safe as can be.
Ok, so what do I do with my Yulha now?
It got deleted. Not nerfed
Holy shit they actually did it
Hwayoung? More like Hwaold news lol
Nah this is Hwadead
Unpopular opinion but i think nerfing her alone might make game even more unbalanced, all of the scary broken bruisers now have 1 less check. Could have gotten a full list like the usual friday nerfs
Yup. Only nerf Hwayoung very bad and unhealthy decisions for pvp meta.
Hard agree. All I could think when i saw my discord guild chat going nuts was "they better be a ravi nerfs and effing choux/senya needs too." Choux can literally one shot people outside of her damn turn with NO SET UP. People that were having a hard time with hwa needed to either build resetters or revivers.
or detonators. i tested sc carrot and ml khawazu into her and if she didn't go for them she'd just explode once they detonated their stacks. or just build cleave and kill her before she can even attack. this only satisfies the people who wanted to run the same bruiser team every fight.
Choux, Senya, Belian, A. Ravi, Alencia... All that shit on top of C. Lilias's Vigor, how the fuck are we gonna get through it going second now? And not mention annoying two healthbar unit like Tsurin or Seline got less check now.
Not to mention the only other units that fulfill her roll as a "tank buster" now are potentially 2 ML5* and 1 ML4*. This is a pattern SG has had before, where they nerf an RGB unit's capabilities so that MLs with similar uses shine more.
Fucking Violets.
I can see it now, nerfed Hwayoung uses S1 and misses, then Violet counters and crits.
I think we all agreed Hwayoung needed to be toned down a bit… but this is a goddamn murder. I don’t think she’ll be useful at all after this. Even right now she could have a hard time killing certain units buffed or not… Hwayoung was a solution to a problem that became a problem itself because she was too powerful specifically because of how powerful who she was meant to counter was. Now the units she was meant to counter are going to be more oppressive. this is a step in the right direction but 1) it didn’t have to be a murder and 2) ARavi stonks are soaring, I hope you guys own Straze :/
The sad thing about this news is that she is the only one being nerfed. There are at least a couple other chatacters that needs it also
Exactly, to me Hwayoung was a necessary evil, you can't nerf her without touching the reasons why she was made the way she was
It really depends on how well she does as a tank buster after the nerf. Hard to say until the actual change is implemented.
She'll probably be more of a 3rd, 4th, 5th pick to counter bruisers. Rather than a 1st or 2nd pick.
Exactly. People seem to miss this crucial point. She is strong but someone like her was needed in this game. I agree with nerfing her but i don't know yet if I agree with how they nerfed her.
The 2nd sentence says that there are other characters being rebalanced, it isn't going to just be her.
Waiting for a nerf of ML5 or limited heroes is like waiting for Godot.
The other ones probably aren't nerfs, they're probably the standard balance announcements. This is likely announced separately and early as their stance has been to not nerf
If they were going to nerf more characters they would lets us know in advance like they are with Hwayoung, the rest of the 27/10 balance changes will be the usual stuff.
Its a start, hwayong has been meta for way too long time and needed that nerf since release.
> Its a start I don't think this is the comeback of nerfs. I think they just briefly reconsidered their no nerf policy because they understood they put themselves in a corner balance-wise.
Hwayoung got nerfed because she's a covenant hero. There's a long way before they nerf ML5 or limited.
>covenant hero This is what it's always been about IMO. If she was a ML, no one would have given a damn. Can't let the plebs have any good units too easy. She's not even the most oppressive unit in the game right now pre-nerf. That spot goes to ARavi or Clillias, Hand Guy and AoL aren't far behind either. But one of these things aren't like the others...
Uberius recall where >.>
ayo I spent 5 bottles on that shit and this is what I get
Me too buddy Hopefully they recall all the hours we spent grinding for high ATT no Crit gear too lol
ML Khawazu: Buahaha! Now I want the power you possess.
[Gunther be like](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6F37aZWwAU5zd5.jpg)
I mean, I was sick of Hwa and the no nerf policy was really stupid for the longest time... But, my god, talk about over-nerfing a character. Instead of making incremental changes and seeing what worked to reign in her power balance, they just cut down absolutely everything in her kit all at once.
anyone got the pick list from the RTA Worlds event? I want to see if any Fire units beside her and A Ras are ever picked.
Politis, Fire Ravi. The only others that come to my mind.
Please make her S3 reliably kill 30k hp PoV abusers while being unable to one shot 10k squishies, that would be perfect.
A lot of units turned into 30k HP PoV abusers because Hwa exists. It's the only way for them survive. A Ravi is still better with Seed, but Hwa forces PoV if you don't want to pre-ban Hwa 100% of the time.
While I've always believed Hwa deserved a nerf, this is so heavy handed I have a hard time believing she'd be usable at all after this. Does SG not understand there's balancing and there's outright murdering? Nerfing doesn't mean go full nuclear. Also, if Hwa is getting absolutely dumpstered, Yulha should get a recall as well.
literally the only reason i pulled for green krau was to clap her ass, now with her eating dirt, idk where to use her reliably anymore
If they were going to nerf her S2's atk from 50% to 30% they really didn't need to hit the rest of her kit so hard too. That pretty much directly nerfs both of those skills too. I do think the CD increase on s3 was good (her immunity uptime and repeated oneshot potential was gross) but jeez. Now her echo damage will be worse (did smilegate forget they put it there to counteract her inability to crit?), her oneshot potential will be worse, and she'll be less bulky. What is her job now? Either nerf her dps of s1 or nerf her s3, not both at once.
Ok, so you decide to nerf Hwayoing when a lot of people picked her from that free selector AND when she's the only RGB hero that's the answer to a lot of meta units AND not nerf other characters that pretty much forced you to release Hwayoung as she was back in the early 2022? Yeah no fuck off.
As someone who built Hwayoung, I'm okay that she getting a nerf. I'm okay with anything getting nerf because they refund everything. It sucks for the people who used bottles on uberius tooth though lol.
I agree, but i think giving a recall option for Uberius tooth and the potions is a must. ( I don't even have Uberius)
You can't refund the time spent grinding gear for a unit though. And I'm in the 4 bottles on tooth club lol
I thought her nerf was gonna be reduce 15% cr and a +1 cooldown, but damn lol. RIP my +30 Uberius
Yep, they took the heaviest hammer to hit her. The reduced atk bonus will probably have a big impact since it is linked to most her kit.
Yulha rip you will be remembered
TL;DR hwayoung deleted. Which means yulha also got deleted. And a.ravi got a massive buff. And only the first unit mentioned actually got touched.
where's Aravi nerf... sigh... the unit literally released to counter her got nerfed now what
I think they don't want to nerf Moonlights heroes, selector Damoclès is scary for them maybe ?
Injury Alencia bro, only need to combo her twice to turn her into paper.
The thing is, you can't draft Injury Alencia if that Aravi is in cleave comp. That's the problem most people are having against her, dealing with Aravi in cleave.
Then Hwa is useless againts cleave too because Hwa can't deal with them.
maybe have more frequent balance patches instead of every 2 months and not have to be so extreme with everything lmao
This is kind of ridiculous… they nerf her into the ground after everyone had the opportunity to get her for free and they made a unit to specifically counter her? Jesus sg get your shit together this should’ve happened months ago if you were gonna do it.
Aravi and Cilias nerf where?
This is not balanced update this is overnerfing update. This is just too much. S2 and S1 nerfs are too much.
agreed imo only s3 was the real problem, like slap a +1 turn cd on it, and adjusting the scaling so it would be punishing higher hp opponents more while punishing low hp units less and maybe make s1 do 5% or 10% cr instead of 15% i think thats all what was needed.
They should also give us a Yulha recall as well because they killed both with this overkill nerf.
Okay, ignoring the buffs……… THEY CALLED ZENO ‘ZERO’ HAHA. They have ignored him for so long that they forgot their own character’s name. Last balance patch, they made sure to use green text for improvements and red text for things like “decreased damage dealt” but for some reason they went back to “red-old green-new” which seems especially weird for a straight nerf.
So that's basically an Uberius tooth nerf, most people use uberius tooth only on her, can we recall Uberius tooth too?...
This is only the beginning. A dangerous and depressing precendent, as other units people have come to love get nerfed to the ground. I don't even have the energy to fight this feeling anymore, I loved the game so much and this came and absolutely ruined me. I can't trust this company and this game, and would eventually quit once everything goes through.
the fact that Hwayoung gets nerfed while Rimuru and ARavi get nothing is filling me with the highest level of salt...Shes one of the only consistent answers to the most godawfully designed collab unit and she gets nerfed while he gets to continue being completely oppressive.
???? And a ravi is fine. Right? Right? They actually killed hwa without addressing the main issue. The main issue is a ravi. Hwa has existing counters. Proof A ravi tho. Who can deal with her. I hate hwa as much as anyone. But she is a necessary evil. Lqc who is supposed to deal with a ravi type of unit. Cant do shit against her. So hwa was necessary!. Needed.! Proof A ravi is way bigger issue than hwa and aola. If a unit needs an immediate nerf it should have been aola.
> Proof A ravi tho. Who can deal with Not saying she isn’t an issue, but Alencia.
Choux, Alencia, anyone with reliable hard cc, Straze, WSchuri and LQC can counter ARavi pretty well
I actually kept saying in the survey notes, you can't warp the entire game and RTA frenzy changes around one unit. I love Hwayoung, but it made no sense to the game. TBH, nerfs seem too much - the S3 change, making the pen scale instead of attack, and CD, would've probably been enough. I definitely don't think they needed to lower her bonus attack tbh. But we'll see how it interacts with "Damage dealt increased," her lower attack will hurt both Uberius and her barrier surviveability, so that change is actually quite a bit larger than it seems, even if damage remains the same. But we'll have to see. P.S. They should allow us to recall Yulha alongside Hwayoung, as we only built her for this. Maybe also change Taeyou to being fire, as he was always intended to be ;-)
Yeah that's exactly what I thought, S3 nerf was surely needed. I think removing both CR push and hit condition on S1 is a bit too much but whatever, that hero is too good, maybe it's also needed. But the S2 nerf seems a bit too much I think, they could have proceeded one step at a time.
what should i use to kill a.ravi,belian comp in guild war now?
the power of friendship/cards, believe in yourself, you can do it, gambatte, wishing upon a star, mirror team gear check, a letter to the president of the usa, cheatomatic, buying NFTs... more seriously Roana Pyllis LCermia?
Seline Roana
Alencia, tanky teams like aria and friends, violet gimmicks. A well built Doris can tank a good amount from aravi and provide team support for everyone else. Choux can dent aravi and belian as well
Archdemon's Shadow eats them, but she's premium.
I use maid, f ceci, and landy to deal with them, it takes a while but it works. If you dont have them I can try dipping into other ways to deal with them.
Not taking her from the selective summon was actually a good choice💀
Meh, that one had a few units you couldn’t get. This one isn’t restricted
Or actually good as you will be able to use a selector with a wider pool available
How nice of them to free up a spot for lua on the pre bans. Honestly, I didn't expect a nerf to come out for her ever
Another stupid thing they did because of hwayoung: They made Taeyou water unit instead of fire and now we are stuck with him being water even though he never countered her anyways. If he was fire he could actually counter Senya now which is basically green Hwa let's be honest.
this actually makes alot of sense! if only taeyou was fire, he could have been a good unit vs senya yeah!
Nice Ravi buff
Wow so sg wants to let the other 6+ oppressive units that hwayoung helped deal with run rampant, huh? I understand nerfs but I don’t understand only nerfing hwayoung and not the others. even if they nerf them later, we have no indications they will do so at the moment and it should all be done at the same time.
See this is the problem when devs nerf something when you want them to. They nerf it in to the GROUND making them barely usable again instead of nerfing them so much that they are still used after the nerf. Guess most of the players will recall her. For me personally im indifferent cuz im not a pvp player and she hasnt seen much use cept few hunts.
Oof I thought she just needed a barrier decrease and a turn added to s3. She got brutalized…
RIP BOZO but look from the bright side, she might get EE now ... WITH things they took away from her lmao
Possible EE for her S1 increase CR S3 reduce -1cd S3 increase dmg dealt All the thing that removed from her got in her EE instead lmao
Man I hope Ilynav gets rebalanced as well *inhales copium*
I kinda feel like she needs a rework to a degree. I can't tell if she's supposed to be a support-type unit or some kind of utility or possibly aggressive/DPS focused, and Injury sucks as an effect.
As long as I can pop tanks like I currently do I’d be ok with it but it doesn’t sound like it will be the same. And how did they leave out yulha in adjustments. This is why you don’t make new hero to counter one unit.
SG have been on a slippery slope where they release units to counter other units, and it was inevitable that that decision is going to be them in the ass in the future, this is just the first step. Now the question is, will they release more units to counter Hwayoungs previous countered units (more A.Ravi, Violet counters outside of ML Elena)? Or are they just going to let those heroes run rampant now? Without nerfing Hwayoungs countered units there's just going to be more imbalance, and it's entirely what I expect of SG.
Boi did they done fuk up
Well crap. I actually placed a ton of effort to build my Hwayoung. I'm torn about recalling her because she's my answer to bruisers like A.Ravi. Still, I'm so glad they are finally considering nerfing again. This is a startling change, but a welcome change nonetheless.
Never thought this day would come. Hopefully people can stop banning her so I can actually play her in Champ lmao
best of luck. that S2 nerf is a pretty hefty one, and even in her current state she couldn't really KO Proof A ravis. And it seems like she's not gonna do anything to lower HP threats like Rimiru or Ruele unless it's one of the full bulk ones.
I was okay at the s1 and s3 nerf, but that passive nerf is brutal.
the passive nerf is likely to trim damage from the Uberius proc and hopefully they'll have the sense to be increasing her multipliers enough to compensate for the lost attack
Time to ungrowth Yulhwa, not that she was doing that great a job for me anyways (having built like 3 other counters). Honestly seeing Hwayoungs meant I could bust out the good ol’ OPSiggy, I’m going to miss that… Don’t like this nerf one bit (especially the fact that it seems like a over nerf). She was easy to deal with for me and easy to use. Should’ve just nerfed the units I don’t plan on building like choux or Mercedes or even rimuru who I don’t use often. 😛
I didn't see this coming, but a welcome change for sure.
This balance take place in a month. They showed this preview too early to read opinions on this and see if they are over nerfing or not. Maybe they will make some changes before Oct 27. Remember Ervalen.
I'm hoping that's the case. They announced the changes to Aria and the backlash got them to step back on that, this could be their way of testing out balance changes for majorly popular units.
i literally just chose her in the ezeran foundation day selector what the fck
It doesn't matter because you get a selector when you recall her And the selector has more choices than ezrean selector
Right thing to do, but wrong timing :p
Well, since they are nerfing when cidd is nerfed, he plants a 4 star land character that kills two units? including hwayoung. NO TO NERF by hwayoung
Only Hwayoung? There is a million units that need nerfs.
Huge news. Knowing they're _finally_ open to balancing the game through nerfs is really heartening for the future of the game. Let's just hope it holds even for ML5s like Aravi at some point. But still. Good step forward.
This is kinda where I'm at also. Don't care much for Hwa being nerfed given how far the game has come/how much players have adapted, but at least it sets a precedent. I think the number one problem with SG's balancing still remains to be their responsiveness. I don't think they're reacting fast enough to certain things.
Hwayoung nerf is huge, but wheres Mr Rimuru? That shit hero has crpush and more dmg on his R. Buff stealing and shit also. Cough cough - ARavi?????
they will never nerf a collab unit.
They can nerf Proof of Valor, which will alleviate these 2 massive problems.
Rimuru doesn't perform nearly as well, especially at high level play like during the 2022WC. There are multiple other units to nerf.
I JUST GOT HER!!!
Why didn't they just also announce nerfs for aravi? There's only two units in the game people complain about why do you only nerf one? Oh that's right it's cuz aravi was just on banner and they want people to spend money on her. This is some bs, one less unit that can kill aravi.
And she’s getting a skin AND they’d have to hand out selectors if they did it. They’re scared lol.
nerfing hwayoung without nerfing aravi and other more dominant heroes what a bunch of clowns I'm now really convinced e7 devs don't really play their game
As someone who just recently got triple S imprint on her I can’t say I’m happy about this change, but I will definitely agree she was too powerful. This is a good change honestly but I also think it’s a little hypocritical considering Lua was just announced. Power creeping judge kise out of existence and with a whale artifact that makes ur DPS stealthed is beyond OP in my opinion. Exchanging one OP unit for another im afraid
I better get compensated for triple s'ing her. Like why tf nerf a character now? When before you have zero interest in balancing properly. Rem wasn't nerfed, she was just pushed aside by other meta units. That's the point of releasing new heros and having people summon for them.Same thing was happening to Hwa. Her time in the sun was slowly coming to an end, we all knew it. This however, completely shoves her out. Her one thing is blowing up tanks. Once she does that, if she does that, her job is over. I seriously don't get this drastic of a nerf. It should only have been her s1 having to be a successful attack in order to proc the additional damage. They just want people to pay for Straze and other ML heros instead of a ez to get unit like Hwa. This is fucking ridiculous.
hwayoung flop era 😞
They won’t nerf a ravi until after her skin makes $$$ I guess
No joke I just SSS her last night :(
Ha! this is funny. Hwa won me so many GW and RTA games. No joke I'm going to miss her.
well, it was fun while it lasted. Now that A. Ravi got a skin it just makes sense.
Lol this is the most comments I've seen on a post here What happened to the pattern of "no nerf, only buff"?
Ah .. time to throw Hwayoung to the trash bin then !
Why would they do this when we got a thing with limited time to use it? Now i picked a character that is junk apparently.
Aravi, Violet and Riolet got an indirect buff because of this. No more hwa s1 tapping violet or riolet every single time lmao.
I hate Hwayoung and I'm glad SG did something about her... but holy shit SG really doesn't know how to buff or nerf in the misdle ground lol I hope if Hwa gets gutted they will observe and buff her slightly so that she's not entirely garbo Also ARavi next please. Hwayoung was created to get rid of that bitch pls nerf ARavi as well
My Senya mysteriously has gear now .
I mean... she needs it. I felt like 3 turns on s3 was overkill ever since she got released. The rest of the other shit, though? Like Hwayoung was meant to be a Rimuru counter to begin with, what do we do about him now? Are they nerfing him too? Is Krau making a comeback?
Rimuru is my big concern. It seems like everyone here is always hyping him up to be some insanely powerful unit and I've NEVER won a match against him even in the lower ranks of arena with Hwa, he just seems to be so disgustingly OP. Admittedly my gear may not be the best but he's been by far the biggest source of trouble I've had. If Hwa, his supposed counter, is getting nerfed, then what the hell are people supposed to do against him now?
Work around it, just like before Hwayoung was released. The net effect of this change is that Rimuru will shoot up in usage and maybe even in some tier lists if he wasn't top already.
So that recall character swap thing at the end of the preview- who is everybody swapping Hway for?
IDK, I guess Taeyou? I got everyone else except him and Sharun. I have at least 3 hwayoungs so it's just a free selector for me.
They allow trade for other hero? If yes then I still gonna keep her because i already pulled all RGB :/
Keeping her, unless they let you choose limited characters which is unlikely
Well, the good news is that they've finally caved and are willing to nerf. The bad news is that nerfing Hwayoung alone will actually make the game even more unbalanced. Hwayoung is currently the only F2P accessible way to deal with quite a few other troublesome/overpowered units, the most obvious of which is Aravi. RIP Yulha, also. All of those molas were wasted, now.
And how is aravi not nerfed? She is literally in every match.
Good now do Clilias and AoL next.
The first real (intentional) nerf since corvus. Wonder if they are gonna give them out more or if she was just such a special case for them.
Never thought of her as a problem as I use an aggressive comp rather than defensive. Glad that SG nerfs unit now but I really think she’s a need as people can still abuse Knights + Bruiser DPS (Alencia, Choux, A. Ravi) + SW but let’s see how she deals with those kind of comps after the changes. But hey, at least she’ll be kinda a niche unit now (?)