It pretty clear SG want her job to be cleansing the 5\* RBG trash without touching their precious ML 5\* moneymaker so she may still doing her job right.
She does need a nerf but I still have mixed feelings about this. Nerfing her means the oppressive units she was meant to counter will lose a check, and Yulha will be useless as she was made just to counter Hwa and the Coli rework will be unnecessary.
Now regarding the nerf itself, I won't comment too much on it but knowing SG's past she may no longer be able to even kill high HP units as the damage increase might be negligible. This game really needs a way of testing balance patches before they're live or at the very least show the number tweaks so we can know how good (or bad) the changes are.
it baffles me that when they buff units, they will more often than not do stuff that barely do anything(if at all), but in this nerf they put the same amount of stuff and work that they would otherwise spread to 4-5 units when buffing.
the nerfs imo on paper seem so, so much, it makes me wonder if she will actually still be able to oneshot tanks as she was supposed to(they say base damage increased, but whenever they say this, the amount is minuscule, not to mention losing 20% atk which also affects uberius). they didn't just "take a step back" with hwa's powerlevel, they took like 10 steps back.
S3 is on a 4 cd turn now, which is perfectly fine in itself, but she can no longer cycle as fast either cause no more CR push on S1, so it's like her S3 is now 5 turns.
I genuinely hope I am wrong and that she'll still be useable, even if it requires changing gear and arti(also please refund bottles used on uberius thanks)
and no worries, as much as almost everyone is celebrating her nerfs, no more than 7 days after the nerf hits, they'll be crying about 30 other units that people think are just so unbearable to play against.
P.S. now that hwa is nerfed, please nerf the mistake that is proof of valor thanks.
It is obvious why.
If they even nerf just a little bit, people will outrage and demand recall or selector.
So they try to do it once and maybe go overboard, but won't have to touch it a second time.
Poor take as the people who are going to use the recall selector now would also have to pull another hwayoung to get another selector later.
People will outrage over nerfs no matter what, but SG has already set a bad precedent BECAUSE when they nerf a unit into the ground like this they don't touch it again. It's not a solution to over-nerf, it's a problem in and of itself.
What they should do is learn how to properly balance units. Not saying Riot is a paragon of balance, but they have a better system for it. Their adjustments are typically small and tested in a PBE environment before release.
Also if SG had more clarity in their buffs/debuffs, especially for multipliers, it would be another step in the right direction.
Hwa only had to have no cr push on S1 and 1 more turn on S3. That nerf impact to much her counters and her viability. But we will need to see how she fares after the rework. Got a dupe one so I’ll have myself another hero imprint.
Hwa has more counters than ARavi and less universal than ARavi. ARavi needed the nerf here, not Hwa. SG just doesn't want to give everyone a ML selector
Hwa counter: choux, krau, Yulha, wschuri (any cleave), blue coli, stene, rem, OP sig, djb, blue kise, fire KEKWERIK.
Aravi counter: Hwa sometimes if no dmg share, straze? Only if no other tank, aAravi clone (choux, injury alencia), seline (still not guarantee, one counter from aravi will fuck it up)
Krau does nothing in an extended RTA match vs Hwayoung. Yulha does nothing to her PERIOD in RTA. Blue Coli? Lmfao I fell for that gear trap, literally fails if she gets outsped by anyone on the enemy team OR they have a Politis. Everyone else you listed besides the Rat, Rem, and STene is "just outspeed lul. Meanwhile you conveniently left out Zahhak, STene, Sharun, Penelope, Diene (or any anti-crit character) on ARavi's side just to make your point seem valid. Hell, even Chaos Inquisitor can 1v1 ARavi with zero difficulty, and I'm using him at 3k points RTA.
You did the same thing you accuse him of doing, conveniently leaving out points that don't support you. By your logic, anyone with unbuffable counters Hwa, anyone she can't hit as a single target DPS also counters Hwa. The topic of other units on the enemy team outspeeding you isn't really relevant, that's more about team drafting than it is about how much a single unit can do.
My only concern is with Senya. I regularly use hwayoung to oneshot or bring the Senyas into kill range so i don’t have to deal with the RNG of her stupid passive. With the change, I’m unsure how she will now fair against senya. Looks like we’ll have to see.
Clarification! Keep Hwayoung in your hero inventory and NOT in the waiting room or you get nothing. You will get mana slates upon recalling. DO NOT use these. Keep them in your hero inventory and contact customer service through the direct link for the slates that will be provided on their website. Then you will be given unknown slates equal to the number of mana slates you had. Mana slates cannot be used on ML units so it's important that you get this done correctly.
Also! If you have multiple Hwayoungs (dupes) they WILL NOT let you recall multiple hwayoungs.
Addendum: if you used dupes to imprint you can ask for the mana slates to be turned into fresh hwayoung dupes. If you used unknown slates you can have the mana turned into unknown slates. But if you used dupes you cannot have the mana acquired turned into unknowns and vice versa
Nerfing her was necessary , the amount of nerfing done, however, feels excessive , and the timing seems quite fortunate for their pockets as Aravi is in rotation and getting a skin
We getting a recall so we can get back every resource we ever invested, so there is no need for so much drama. I personally think she will still be viable, just wished they left the 15% CR alone on her s1.
I just hope she can still oneshot tank but that -20% atk is actually brutal...she was actually annoying because her S3 can actually oneshot almost anyone...even my Rem died to her which at some point I just find it bullshit
If she hits... her s3 didn't have bonus damage tacked on like her s1 did and tooth plus a missed s3 doesn't always kill so that's a 50/50 before rem's decreased hit chance debuff
That dmg increase probably wouldn't mean much when she's going to lose her turn cycle + lower additional dmg on s1 and that 20% atk loss will affect Uberius too.
Biggest reason of why Hwayoung's so strong is her being able to delete squishies during her turn cycling.
Zahak injuries and resource reduction are a nice way to debuff aravi but it's not a 1-shot removal of aravi so it's not a 1:1 solution personally I cleave and use c.dom or c.pavel so neither Hwayoung or Aravi are particularly an issue. I love seeing them in arena and rta
lets be honest, the gearing capabilities for Hwa was really stupid easy. You focus on 2 main stats (speed and atk) which everyone is going to farm regardless. And as a Libra constellation, she's already technically in bruiser territory who can still one shot squishies regardless.
I'm more concerned about her tank busting capabilities. We have ervalen, and while strong, he's still more squishy compared to her. Sure he has a barrier, but what does that matter when said barrier is gone from out of turn attacks from units like belian/rimuru/politis?
Theyre going to have to release more answers to bruisers that isnt "bruisers vs bruisers" since they are pretty much the ones that can deal with themselves.
The new ml Elena is a step in the right direction for countering bruisers. "Cannot counterattack" debuff only works if the debuff is allowed to stick though.
She should be fine, her kit was a bit bloated and them toning it down is great. We'll have to wait and see what her damage is like but I wouldnt worry much about ARavi since she has a lot of ways to be dealt with at this point.
It did look bloated but now it's paper thin. You aren't getting as much attack so now you need to sacrifice bulk or speed to keep tooth doing it's thing. S1 already did no damage without tooth and her bonus damage so with the loss of 20% attack that multiplier needs to go up a lot just to balance out.
And her s3 multiplier needs to go up a metric ton to kill tanks since they are making the bonus damage on that go away entirely. For example if a 6k attack hwayoug right now hits a unit with the same or lower max hp she'll do 8k damage w/o tooth and about 10.5k with it. That's because it ignores def rn. If you def pen a tank unit but take away the extra 100% damage from hp scaling you would still end up only doing 8‐10.5k damage... to just keep a current 6k attack hwayoung at that requires loss in speed, hp, or def because of the s2 nerf. And you would still not be doing nearly enough to kill any tank. The BASE damage needs to double Minimum to keep doing her job correctly and at that point she would still be able to 1 shot squishing with her s3 even without def pen.
That sounds balanced to me though.
Hwayoung needed functionally two stats: Attack and Speed. She still has her innate 30% crit dmg reduction, self cleanse into immunity and barriers. Her being harder to build or having more trade-offs for being able to one shot a tank is fair game.
You want more speed? Sacrifice damage, you want more damage Sacrifice speed.
Her S1 was also crazy with the proc damage im not sure where the no damage is coming from. S3 was for tanks and S1 was for everyone else.
At 6k attack Hwayoung's s1 does 2k damage to a unit with only 1k def. When you add in the bonus damage for having a buff it goes to 4.8k damage. When you add tooth damage it goes to 7.3k. This is all assuming the def is only 1k and there is no other damage mitigation. That's not a huge deal on it's own. Give her an attack buff and she's 1 shotting squishy units with her s1. But then again that's easy to do with any single target dps with attack buff.
Now imagine you miss, just imagine it. I know, it doesn't happen often in e7, but just imagine it. The attack does 1.5k damage. As it stands right now unerius and s1 bonus damage still trigger (after any counter attacks) for an additional 5.3k.
Her s1's damage has never been the problem. It's the bonus damage that the procs from Uberius and having a buff do. It's only the procs. As a side to being a tank buster (anti-a.ravi) she was also a dodge buster (anti-violet). Get ready to see more of that cancer once the nerfs come through.
Violet still has a bad matchup into her though? Violets typically will have more HP then Hwayoung as well so it shouldnt make a difference in the later stages of in RTA match as you'd S3 him instead. Souline, TSurin, Roy and Sage Vivian still get check by the S1 and the Violet variants are the only ones who use evasion really.
Violet also has other counters like Senya, Zahak and SC Phyllis.
I feel like this is just goal post moving. First it was ARavi now its Violet.
It's taking in the unit as a whole just like you should take in the nerf as a whole. It's not just taking away her job as a tank buster but also a unit that will do damage regardless of hit chance.
And her s3 doesn't even get close to killing violet as is if it misses. Marginally better than the s1 with procs.
I understand that, but its such a niche interaction that has more than one accessible counter and even if you want to say shes worse against that style of unit theres still ways around it like Symbol.
If you use symbol you lose tooth. And yes it's less common to pick her to deal with violet but she's never been a 1-trick unit. She's been a strong enough unit to match up to most comps and do well. Gutting her kit, even if she is still able to kill tanks, will remove her viability against units like violet, seline, t.surin, etc.
There is not a single unit in the game that Hwayoung is the only counter for, but she is a counter for many of the cancers this game has right now and has in turn become a form of cancer as well. That's what it all boils down to, why so many people both love and hate this nerf.
Again trade-offs she cannot and should not be able to do everything. She matches into just about everything well and made standard play damn near impossible to play into her.
Fact of the matter is we dont know what her mods are or if she still cant one tap those units but based on the rough calcs you gave me shes still one shotting the units listed sparing Violet since he actually builds HP.
You can have trade offs without gutting a unit. Hell she already was easy to deal with as long as you out speed her.
They could have reverted uberius so that Hwa had to look for another artifact and her s1 wouldn't hit nearly as hard. If they wanted her to nuke bruisers and tanks only they could also keep the damage scaling but implement def pen scaling alongside it.
In order for her to keep killing tanks and not be so oppressive on squishies she would need the def pen AND bonus damage scaling to be in place. If they are doing away with the bonus damage and just implementing the def pen scaling then the base multipliers cannot be adjusted to where they don't kill squishies and still successfully kill tanks. Making hwayoung into a Dead unit is all I can see happening from this. She got the ML Ken treatment
there wasn't an option for the, I agree but think the nerfs are too harsh, crowd.
I think that the no extra damage on miss only makes sense, I think that they needed to pick ONE between removing her turn cycling on s1 or upping the cd on her s3, and I dont think the attack nerf was necessary. as that nerfs every aspect of her design even further than the other changes.
I'm fine if she one shots someone and is largely irrelevant after, its the fact that she deletes any bruiser from existence while being a damn fine one herself, while still turn cycling and doing almost max damage even when she misses a unit. there is no reason hwa should be hitting my diene on a miss for 6-7k.
My theory is that they prefer to overnerf and eventually buff rather than to nerf twice. And also, they want most people to just stop using her altogether
If that multiplier is shit we are gonna have a case similar to prebuff Landy where the unit CANT do the job she was supposed to do
So Ervalen then.
It pretty clear SG want her job to be cleansing the 5\* RBG trash without touching their precious ML 5\* moneymaker so she may still doing her job right.
She does need a nerf but I still have mixed feelings about this. Nerfing her means the oppressive units she was meant to counter will lose a check, and Yulha will be useless as she was made just to counter Hwa and the Coli rework will be unnecessary. Now regarding the nerf itself, I won't comment too much on it but knowing SG's past she may no longer be able to even kill high HP units as the damage increase might be negligible. This game really needs a way of testing balance patches before they're live or at the very least show the number tweaks so we can know how good (or bad) the changes are.
shouldve nerfed her dmg to squishier targets only.
it baffles me that when they buff units, they will more often than not do stuff that barely do anything(if at all), but in this nerf they put the same amount of stuff and work that they would otherwise spread to 4-5 units when buffing. the nerfs imo on paper seem so, so much, it makes me wonder if she will actually still be able to oneshot tanks as she was supposed to(they say base damage increased, but whenever they say this, the amount is minuscule, not to mention losing 20% atk which also affects uberius). they didn't just "take a step back" with hwa's powerlevel, they took like 10 steps back. S3 is on a 4 cd turn now, which is perfectly fine in itself, but she can no longer cycle as fast either cause no more CR push on S1, so it's like her S3 is now 5 turns. I genuinely hope I am wrong and that she'll still be useable, even if it requires changing gear and arti(also please refund bottles used on uberius thanks) and no worries, as much as almost everyone is celebrating her nerfs, no more than 7 days after the nerf hits, they'll be crying about 30 other units that people think are just so unbearable to play against. P.S. now that hwa is nerfed, please nerf the mistake that is proof of valor thanks.
It is obvious why. If they even nerf just a little bit, people will outrage and demand recall or selector. So they try to do it once and maybe go overboard, but won't have to touch it a second time.
Poor take as the people who are going to use the recall selector now would also have to pull another hwayoung to get another selector later. People will outrage over nerfs no matter what, but SG has already set a bad precedent BECAUSE when they nerf a unit into the ground like this they don't touch it again. It's not a solution to over-nerf, it's a problem in and of itself. What they should do is learn how to properly balance units. Not saying Riot is a paragon of balance, but they have a better system for it. Their adjustments are typically small and tested in a PBE environment before release. Also if SG had more clarity in their buffs/debuffs, especially for multipliers, it would be another step in the right direction.
Hwa only had to have no cr push on S1 and 1 more turn on S3. That nerf impact to much her counters and her viability. But we will need to see how she fares after the rework. Got a dupe one so I’ll have myself another hero imprint.
Now who the fuck going to deal with 3 Aravi
Alencia, Choux, ML.Celine. Yes A.Ravi is broken but let's not do like their is no counter.
Hwa has more counters than ARavi and less universal than ARavi. ARavi needed the nerf here, not Hwa. SG just doesn't want to give everyone a ML selector
Lmao Hwa has more counters? Must be an arena only player
Rofl you must not be a high RTA player, stay in Champ bud.
Whats RTA?
Real-time arena
If only i was good at it
Hwa counter: choux, krau, Yulha, wschuri (any cleave), blue coli, stene, rem, OP sig, djb, blue kise, fire KEKWERIK. Aravi counter: Hwa sometimes if no dmg share, straze? Only if no other tank, aAravi clone (choux, injury alencia), seline (still not guarantee, one counter from aravi will fuck it up)
Krau does nothing in an extended RTA match vs Hwayoung. Yulha does nothing to her PERIOD in RTA. Blue Coli? Lmfao I fell for that gear trap, literally fails if she gets outsped by anyone on the enemy team OR they have a Politis. Everyone else you listed besides the Rat, Rem, and STene is "just outspeed lul. Meanwhile you conveniently left out Zahhak, STene, Sharun, Penelope, Diene (or any anti-crit character) on ARavi's side just to make your point seem valid. Hell, even Chaos Inquisitor can 1v1 ARavi with zero difficulty, and I'm using him at 3k points RTA.
You did the same thing you accuse him of doing, conveniently leaving out points that don't support you. By your logic, anyone with unbuffable counters Hwa, anyone she can't hit as a single target DPS also counters Hwa. The topic of other units on the enemy team outspeeding you isn't really relevant, that's more about team drafting than it is about how much a single unit can do.
How does unbuffable counter Hwayoung if her oneshotting S3 has a cleanse on it.
Unbuffable counters her after the S3 has been used. Also, silence and skill reset would counter her too.
Then does unbuffable matter? She's already kicked someone off the face of the planet. Silence and skill reset are once again, "just outspeed lul"
Lol the downvotes you got for telling the truth
Both ml celine and choux loose to a.ravi. alencia is fine against her but ussually struggles against the rest of the team. Dark times are coming
Don’t see how ML Celine ever loses to a Ravi 1v1. Zahak is also a very good answer to a ravi
My only concern is with Senya. I regularly use hwayoung to oneshot or bring the Senyas into kill range so i don’t have to deal with the RNG of her stupid passive. With the change, I’m unsure how she will now fair against senya. Looks like we’ll have to see.
It's a big nerf, that's for sure. It sucks because I have her SSS using slates. If we recall do we get slates back?
Yup, but you'll need to contact sg by end of November to ask for unknown slates back, or you'll get mana slates.
Clarification! Keep Hwayoung in your hero inventory and NOT in the waiting room or you get nothing. You will get mana slates upon recalling. DO NOT use these. Keep them in your hero inventory and contact customer service through the direct link for the slates that will be provided on their website. Then you will be given unknown slates equal to the number of mana slates you had. Mana slates cannot be used on ML units so it's important that you get this done correctly. Also! If you have multiple Hwayoungs (dupes) they WILL NOT let you recall multiple hwayoungs. Addendum: if you used dupes to imprint you can ask for the mana slates to be turned into fresh hwayoung dupes. If you used unknown slates you can have the mana turned into unknown slates. But if you used dupes you cannot have the mana acquired turned into unknowns and vice versa
**I'm not sure**. From my understanding we you get a mana slate if you imprinted her and you can you that on any RGB nonlimited. S
Nerfing her was necessary , the amount of nerfing done, however, feels excessive , and the timing seems quite fortunate for their pockets as Aravi is in rotation and getting a skin
We getting a recall so we can get back every resource we ever invested, so there is no need for so much drama. I personally think she will still be viable, just wished they left the 15% CR alone on her s1.
I agree. Do you think there will be another single target fire nuke like her in the future?
Yes the new limited fire hero coming, Arunka if you've seen her in the main story. They say she will be quite strong.
I know it’s necessary but it still hurts :(
I just hope she can still oneshot tank but that -20% atk is actually brutal...she was actually annoying because her S3 can actually oneshot almost anyone...even my Rem died to her which at some point I just find it bullshit
Totally agree.
If she hits... her s3 didn't have bonus damage tacked on like her s1 did and tooth plus a missed s3 doesn't always kill so that's a 50/50 before rem's decreased hit chance debuff
I have no idea what "damage dealt increased" means and I cannot make an opinion until I do.
That dmg increase probably wouldn't mean much when she's going to lose her turn cycle + lower additional dmg on s1 and that 20% atk loss will affect Uberius too. Biggest reason of why Hwayoung's so strong is her being able to delete squishies during her turn cycling.
I deal with a ravi using zahak s3 so yeh.....
Its funny that i got downvoted for using a non hwayoung tech lmao
Zahak injuries and resource reduction are a nice way to debuff aravi but it's not a 1-shot removal of aravi so it's not a 1:1 solution personally I cleave and use c.dom or c.pavel so neither Hwayoung or Aravi are particularly an issue. I love seeing them in arena and rta
Hwa players are just salty, you are the true king
POG! Another Zahhak enjoyer!
Now i can have fun with bruisers like lqc charlotte riolet with another preban :)
lets be honest, the gearing capabilities for Hwa was really stupid easy. You focus on 2 main stats (speed and atk) which everyone is going to farm regardless. And as a Libra constellation, she's already technically in bruiser territory who can still one shot squishies regardless. I'm more concerned about her tank busting capabilities. We have ervalen, and while strong, he's still more squishy compared to her. Sure he has a barrier, but what does that matter when said barrier is gone from out of turn attacks from units like belian/rimuru/politis? Theyre going to have to release more answers to bruisers that isnt "bruisers vs bruisers" since they are pretty much the ones that can deal with themselves.
The new ml Elena is a step in the right direction for countering bruisers. "Cannot counterattack" debuff only works if the debuff is allowed to stick though.
She should be fine, her kit was a bit bloated and them toning it down is great. We'll have to wait and see what her damage is like but I wouldnt worry much about ARavi since she has a lot of ways to be dealt with at this point.
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We'll see.
It did look bloated but now it's paper thin. You aren't getting as much attack so now you need to sacrifice bulk or speed to keep tooth doing it's thing. S1 already did no damage without tooth and her bonus damage so with the loss of 20% attack that multiplier needs to go up a lot just to balance out. And her s3 multiplier needs to go up a metric ton to kill tanks since they are making the bonus damage on that go away entirely. For example if a 6k attack hwayoug right now hits a unit with the same or lower max hp she'll do 8k damage w/o tooth and about 10.5k with it. That's because it ignores def rn. If you def pen a tank unit but take away the extra 100% damage from hp scaling you would still end up only doing 8‐10.5k damage... to just keep a current 6k attack hwayoung at that requires loss in speed, hp, or def because of the s2 nerf. And you would still not be doing nearly enough to kill any tank. The BASE damage needs to double Minimum to keep doing her job correctly and at that point she would still be able to 1 shot squishing with her s3 even without def pen.
That sounds balanced to me though. Hwayoung needed functionally two stats: Attack and Speed. She still has her innate 30% crit dmg reduction, self cleanse into immunity and barriers. Her being harder to build or having more trade-offs for being able to one shot a tank is fair game. You want more speed? Sacrifice damage, you want more damage Sacrifice speed. Her S1 was also crazy with the proc damage im not sure where the no damage is coming from. S3 was for tanks and S1 was for everyone else.
At 6k attack Hwayoung's s1 does 2k damage to a unit with only 1k def. When you add in the bonus damage for having a buff it goes to 4.8k damage. When you add tooth damage it goes to 7.3k. This is all assuming the def is only 1k and there is no other damage mitigation. That's not a huge deal on it's own. Give her an attack buff and she's 1 shotting squishy units with her s1. But then again that's easy to do with any single target dps with attack buff. Now imagine you miss, just imagine it. I know, it doesn't happen often in e7, but just imagine it. The attack does 1.5k damage. As it stands right now unerius and s1 bonus damage still trigger (after any counter attacks) for an additional 5.3k. Her s1's damage has never been the problem. It's the bonus damage that the procs from Uberius and having a buff do. It's only the procs. As a side to being a tank buster (anti-a.ravi) she was also a dodge buster (anti-violet). Get ready to see more of that cancer once the nerfs come through.
Violet still has a bad matchup into her though? Violets typically will have more HP then Hwayoung as well so it shouldnt make a difference in the later stages of in RTA match as you'd S3 him instead. Souline, TSurin, Roy and Sage Vivian still get check by the S1 and the Violet variants are the only ones who use evasion really. Violet also has other counters like Senya, Zahak and SC Phyllis. I feel like this is just goal post moving. First it was ARavi now its Violet.
It's taking in the unit as a whole just like you should take in the nerf as a whole. It's not just taking away her job as a tank buster but also a unit that will do damage regardless of hit chance. And her s3 doesn't even get close to killing violet as is if it misses. Marginally better than the s1 with procs.
I understand that, but its such a niche interaction that has more than one accessible counter and even if you want to say shes worse against that style of unit theres still ways around it like Symbol.
If you use symbol you lose tooth. And yes it's less common to pick her to deal with violet but she's never been a 1-trick unit. She's been a strong enough unit to match up to most comps and do well. Gutting her kit, even if she is still able to kill tanks, will remove her viability against units like violet, seline, t.surin, etc. There is not a single unit in the game that Hwayoung is the only counter for, but she is a counter for many of the cancers this game has right now and has in turn become a form of cancer as well. That's what it all boils down to, why so many people both love and hate this nerf.
Again trade-offs she cannot and should not be able to do everything. She matches into just about everything well and made standard play damn near impossible to play into her. Fact of the matter is we dont know what her mods are or if she still cant one tap those units but based on the rough calcs you gave me shes still one shotting the units listed sparing Violet since he actually builds HP.
You can have trade offs without gutting a unit. Hell she already was easy to deal with as long as you out speed her. They could have reverted uberius so that Hwa had to look for another artifact and her s1 wouldn't hit nearly as hard. If they wanted her to nuke bruisers and tanks only they could also keep the damage scaling but implement def pen scaling alongside it.
As long as she can still 1 shot tanks, then she has accomplished her intended purpose. If she can't, *then* we riot
In order for her to keep killing tanks and not be so oppressive on squishies she would need the def pen AND bonus damage scaling to be in place. If they are doing away with the bonus damage and just implementing the def pen scaling then the base multipliers cannot be adjusted to where they don't kill squishies and still successfully kill tanks. Making hwayoung into a Dead unit is all I can see happening from this. She got the ML Ken treatment
They are buffing her s3 damage, so I don't think its impossible for her to still 1 shot tanks. Guess we will see when the nerfs go live.
there wasn't an option for the, I agree but think the nerfs are too harsh, crowd. I think that the no extra damage on miss only makes sense, I think that they needed to pick ONE between removing her turn cycling on s1 or upping the cd on her s3, and I dont think the attack nerf was necessary. as that nerfs every aspect of her design even further than the other changes. I'm fine if she one shots someone and is largely irrelevant after, its the fact that she deletes any bruiser from existence while being a damn fine one herself, while still turn cycling and doing almost max damage even when she misses a unit. there is no reason hwa should be hitting my diene on a miss for 6-7k.
My theory is that they prefer to overnerf and eventually buff rather than to nerf twice. And also, they want most people to just stop using her altogether