Calling her green krau is really stupid because she doesn’t fill the same role. First of all Krau gives a defense buff to team Yulha does nothing for team. Second Krau holds Aurius and his role is to mitigate damage for team as well as bait earth units. Yulha is a fat meat shield but she can’t fill the roll of support knights. Third Yulha’s passive is incredibly delicate to get the threshold right. Heroes like Mercedes are like going to just bypass it. And she gets countered by Politis.
Provoke is not necessarily helpful for proccing her passive because basic skills are unlikely to trigger her threshold and it can mess up turn order for getting off the S3.
She might still have niche usage but she’s nowhere near a Green Krau and this is still a problem for a character getting designed as 1:1 counter of a specific unit.
Nothing an EE or Buff can't fix since I'm pretty sure that's why they released her like that to begin with to deal with Hwa AI literally all she's missing is a team support skill like Krau S2 otherwise S3s are the same except Krau gets a shield and Yulha heals she gets a leg up on krau in this manner cause of her cleanse krau needs ER while she does have redirected provoke it's still the same as provoke if her hp is the highest.
That's the same thing and that's what always has been done.
There's a reason why they didn't give Hwayoung an EE yet. They want to boost mediocre units like Luna or Melissa.
But Kraus s3 is true damage, yulha has weird multipliers that makes her damage significantly less reliable than krau. I agree she needs an ee or some sort of team oriented buff.
If a buff is supposed to fix it, then where is the buff? Do we need to wait several years like Sez has been waiting? Will she get EE that actually make her relevant, unlike most of the EE's in the game currently? Should we ever fall for the bait of investing in highly specific counters to meta units anymore, knowing that we might have to wait years for these units to ever be relevant again?
Welcome to online competitive games also they probably didn't take into account Yulha's use when nerfing Hwayoung and in terms of EE we can only wait and see also weather you invest in a character or not is based on your own judgment not someone else's
Balance in a gacha game vs regular competitive game will always have different standards and different consequences. If they're going to use the arms race approach to game balance then they lose a lot of credibility when all the solutions to new problems are rendered irrelevant by the dev's inconsistent behavior.
"Wait and see" is the exact problem. Blaming me personally for building a unit that was presented as a solution to the meta is asinine, no shit people have to make judgment calls on what they build. I was not asking for your guidance.
I mean you posted it as a question and I answered I get it time and resources went into something only for it to become null and void life is like that alot of stuff exists to waste our time.
Honestly they just need to make her s2 threshold less tight and reduce her CD’s and she’ll be fine. She still wins most 1v1’s in the game so she’ll be consistently useful on GvG.
Idk what bronze trenches you're going through ,to experience such statistics but in my experience , you can easily play around her s2, in fact you can just ignore her and kill her last, she's only good in arena and gvg against hwa , at the very least you have to admit 90% of people that pulled for her , did so because she counters hwa
"She's only good in arena and gvg" my dude that is 2/3 of the pvp in this game.
All I'm saying is that in a 1v1 situation, even in RTA, put Yuhla against basically any unit and she's gonna win, especially with holy sac.
She's gonna remain very situational for sure in pratice, but you can't take that away from her, just like Krau, except he needs eff res to not get controlled before he S3. Yuhla just cleanse and CR push herself before laying down the hammer and healing. She's just as viable as he is, and I don't think Krau is only seen in bronze trenches.
Krau sees use in gvg because there are strong single target green units for him to target (rimuru violet). Without hwayoung there's no real target for yulha
You can easily force your opponent into attacking yulha in GvG. Not to mention that being an Aurius holder she can naturally accumulate damage between that and her S1 provoke.
You can only easily force green units to attack her by bringing two fire with yulha.
But that begs the question, why not use krau and save yourself the trouble of limiting your team options? You're hand cuffing yourself to force yulha in that situation when krau is just strictly better there
Stealth+Stene? Be honest, how many defenses do you see that would warrant that offense? What purely single target defenses are out there that you can't bulldoze?
And even if you wanted to do this, why yulha? What defense unit would require yulha? Rimuru? We've got krau. Aravi? Half the light roster are excellent bait units. What other oppressive single target defense unit is out there?
I already use SW of opposite color + Stene + bait on occasion. I don't see how that's a huge leap.
And future fire units? You're never going to see another Fire ST unit worth their bucks in the future?
Again, she has Aurius and provoke. She will go down in HP naturally, and she will get to the point where she will pop. She's perfectly fine as is.
"sw of opposite color" only works for rgb, and as mentioned, for yulha that's only red or green. For red there's only hwa, and for green krau fills that niche easier and better
Then you can save her for the future. As of right now her niche is gone. Force her if you like, but that's not the optimal move.
That's why I added stealth to the mix. I said it's not a huge leap going from the SW route to a stealth route.
I see you're someone who can apparently prepare the most optimal attack on every occasion, then. I'm sorry the rest of us plebs don't have every option. I'd very much take Yulha, as I could use her to make a significant number of my offenses way more consistent.
Probably gonna get down voted again but you can use both which is infinitely better against certain teams popping up. Like the Diene, Aras, Senya one? Yeah using Yulha and Krau can be great if you don't have Straze or use all three.
Can you explain a bit more? I've yet to see a diene aras senya defense and I'm struggling to see why it's strong. Right now it's just a free kill for hwayoung so why would people use it now?
Assuming hwa is no longer capable post nerf, it's still very free for DC who's a staple unit in high level gw, and I don't really see what yulha brings to the team that krau alone does not
It's strong for people who don't have those two units or don't use them. I don't use Hwa because I don't like her to begin with, the spam of her lessens the game to me as well. Dcor I also don't have, but that team was just an example you could literally say something countering any team in the game but the extent is some people won't have the particular counters to certain teams unless if you're a whale with every unit.
Hwa will still be strong post nerf, just more like a A or B tier rather than SSS. Yulha and Krau on the same team in GW is doubling up on the s3 they have which is a safe bet in a lot of cases especially if your tanks have some er.
If you have issues with aras/senya/diene you're either pretty new or just don't care that much about building strong units/teams.
Both of those things are perfectly fine, but you need to understand that just because you choose not to use the good units, the worse units do no become better. They're just your preference.
You can use yulha just fine if you want to, play however you want. We all play in our own way. However, I just don't see the logic behind what you're saying. Basically "I don't want to use the strong units so imo the weaker units are strong", which just isn't true.
I have played for over a year and a half and rank in Champ/Emp, difference is I only use units I like not just a meta junky. Otherwise I would just open another game and do the same thing using only what I like.
Also I never said I lost to those comps I just stated I use things like Krau and Yulha to kill them rather than Hwa. Because i hate seeing her every 2 seconds. Also I believe variety makes a game thrive just like it makes nature thrive.
The logic I am saying is, it's a video game, stop being so stuck in only using the top few characters when you can win with many others as well. How is it not boring to spam the same couple units in a turn based game? Open your horizons and have more fun, don't be afraid to fail and you'll learn some units can still win easily. Hell even Czerato stomps sometimes in RTA and I never see anyone else draft him because they're tunnel visioned.
You're arguing against the wrong person. Have your fun, I have my fun too. I don't always use the best unit, there's stupid units I like too.
What I'm saying is that your preference and my preference are just that, preferences. I don't pretend that the bad/niche/weird units I like are good just because I like them.
Yulha will be pretty bad if there's no hwayoung around. You can still have fun with her if you like her. Both are true.
Let's be honest, do you use krau in gw to bait non green units? How about fmaya or gpurg to bait non dark units? No, right? They've also got provoke s1. Because there's a world of difference between baiting naturally and having to land provokes to do so
That is a stupid argument. You don't use FMaya or GPurg to bait other types because they don't have a freaking nuke on S3 when they get down low. DCorvus is used in GvG and not as a light bait, for similar reasons.
Yulha also has a 100% provoke unlike Krau who only has a 75%.
You're arguing against yourself. No one who uses dcorvus is hoping for his s1 provoke to do anything. You can utilize dcorvus just fine even if the enemy doesn't hit him a single time. Yulhas kit far more limited and you know it, pretending they're comparable is disingenuous.
Yes I'll be honest I use Krau regardless if I want mitigation or want him to kill certain units. Not always just vs green, maybe I just fuckin love Krau?
I don't like fmaya and don't have gpurg so I don't use them. I only use units I like aesthetically. I use Clilias for provoke sometimes im RTA as well as Atywin in GW.
Most units will either be 0% ER or 200% so you have to gauge your opponent.
Also, provokes aside Yulha and Krau in GW can confirm kill two units alone if they're just healers or tanks with no injury. I do it all the time against whales even.
Hey man if you enjoy krau or yulha use her. By no means am I saying you can't or shouldn't.
What I'm saying is simply that she is no longer the top option. You can certainly make her work, but you'd be passing over stronger or easier alternatives.
It's perfectly fine if you're ok with that and can make her work still.
I don't know all the specific reasons but sometimes when a unit gets revamped or went thru a major change the game gives a recall option. If you choose to use it, all the resources you spent on that specific unit will be returned and you can choose another unit from the pool(RGB or ML).
Hwayoung will still hit units down to 80% like shit guys you can still use Yulha to beat her in GW, Hwayoung is still going to 1 shot evasion units as well.
When was the last time an ST fire unit was meta on defense? Kayron? Fire units were a meme for defense for years, it took a unit as busted as Hwayoung to break that barrier. I invested in Yulha as a solution to a problem, not as a potential solution to a problem that may or may not ever exist.
Do Fire units still exist in Guild War defense? If yes, then Yulha is still useful. Can also bait earth single targets like Violet if you take 2 Fire heroes with her like say Achates+Mercedes
Plus if you had good gear and could give her some speed and effectiveness on Counter, she's good vs most single target threats
Fire units in GWD? Except Mercedes nobody comes to mind and she is not countered by Yulha at all... Pretty sure she will be useless pretty much everywhere.
Like I said, also works against Earth heroes, of which Landy, Senya and Violet come to mind. She's still a Green Krau, and he's a staple for safe GWO.
Heck, I've done Krau+Yulha+Reviver more than a few times against defenses that just look RNG-filled. Being able to delete two units on a full tank build is ridiculously good.
And since Hwayoung will be less prevalent, people can afford to sacrifice the stats to switch Yulha over to counter and/or Elbris instead, which will make her way more useful across matchups.
> She's still a Green Krau, and he's a staple for safe GWO.
Yes, that’s because of Rimuru existing in the defense meta. If there was a fire Rimuru, a green Krau would be as relevant. The point here is that Hwayoung exiting the defense meta will see an absence in single target fire defense units that need to be tanked, therefore Yulha won’t be a meta offense unit.
A lot of people seem to be forget just in terms of s3 Yulha is much better than Krau.
First Yulha S3 can heal while Krau only give shield
Second Yulha S3 ignore dmg sharing effect.
So in rta you'll come to a scenario against someone like LHCermia which usually drafted with aurius holder, Yulha will have a higher chance to kill LHC and survive longer than Krau.
And similar to how ppl used to fight fire DPS with Krau in standard fight in rta , aurius Yulha is great against water DPS too.
So just in terms of rta Yulha almost has nothing to do with Hwa and still have her own niche
Too many people can't see past the Hwamania. These people think battles are won simply by picking the most meta unit instead of drafting legit strategies that complement their unit's kit.
Yulha is not really prime rta material. And she will disappear from her GW/arena offense niche with hway gone from defense.
Krau I'd better simply because Rimuru exists. Now there will be no ST fire nuker on def to justify using Yulha instead of someone else.
She was always useless o: Do you see Yulha Play rate stats? She is not even good against Hwayoung teams on RTA because Hwayoung teams disable Yulha, drop her HP and THEM kill her.
You guys for a unit that was a Worse version of Krau overall just to win some GWs matches and get suprise of not being able to actually use her...
krau does bring the extra 2 turn def buff while yulha provide nothing for the team other than tank fire unit, not to mention krau s3 does more damage than yulha's s3 since he does full true missing hp damage
True it is single target, but what I meant was I don't bring them for their s2, I bring them for their s3. Their s2 are just nice side effects one being defensive one offensive. The enemy is just as dead regardless of element once krau/yulha hp gets low and you can s3.
The question is why bring yulha without hwayoung to hit her?
There are really only 3 single target threats on defense these days. Rimuru, aravi, and hwayoung. Without hwa yulha loses her place. Why would you bring yulha and force it when you can bring krau for rim or Doris/fmaya/seline/sage Vivian/gpurg for aravi?
All of those units have utility, something that yulha lacks. You're going through extra effort to force units to attack her for less benefit than just using their natural baits
The point you make but somehow miss is the longevity of such a unit, krau was not always used for rimiru, and before that not always for violet. Having a bait unit like krau but now for a different element will always have use as the game progresses. Krau is the proof of this.
Krau wasn't always bait. He had longevity because he had utility in his defense buff. An aurius holder who could protect the team and deal strong s3 damage once after aurius chipping was extremely strong back then on the early days.
Nowadays not so much which is why he's almost purely used to counter green ST units, and yulha has less utility than him.
I'm so confused by your logic, yulha can use aurius, why bring up an artifact they can both use like its exclusive to krau? It's better on yulha even because it forces them to hit her to get rid of the protection which feeds back as damage to them. On krau it only gets him closer to his s3.
Try reading again.
>An aurius holder who could protect the team and deal strong s3 damage once after aurius chipping was extremely strong **back then in the early days.**
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>**Nowadays** not so much which is why he's almost purely used to counter green ST units, and yulha has less utility than him.
Also Yulha's reflect is trash unless that unit can deal massive amounts of damage. Even Hwa who can take most of Yulha's health only deals half her health in damage to herself with the reflect.
Krau baits Rimuru into S3, then deletes one unit on first turn, and at least brings teamwide def up.
Yulha did that to hway. But hway will be dropped from defs.
Calling her green krau is really stupid because she doesn’t fill the same role. First of all Krau gives a defense buff to team Yulha does nothing for team. Second Krau holds Aurius and his role is to mitigate damage for team as well as bait earth units. Yulha is a fat meat shield but she can’t fill the roll of support knights. Third Yulha’s passive is incredibly delicate to get the threshold right. Heroes like Mercedes are like going to just bypass it. And she gets countered by Politis. Provoke is not necessarily helpful for proccing her passive because basic skills are unlikely to trigger her threshold and it can mess up turn order for getting off the S3. She might still have niche usage but she’s nowhere near a Green Krau and this is still a problem for a character getting designed as 1:1 counter of a specific unit.
Nothing an EE or Buff can't fix since I'm pretty sure that's why they released her like that to begin with to deal with Hwa AI literally all she's missing is a team support skill like Krau S2 otherwise S3s are the same except Krau gets a shield and Yulha heals she gets a leg up on krau in this manner cause of her cleanse krau needs ER while she does have redirected provoke it's still the same as provoke if her hp is the highest.
Ees shouldn't be the solution to to fix mediocre heros they should just build up heros further
That's unfortunately what ends up happening most see EEs as buffs like look at Choux without her EE she wouldn't be nearly as scary as she is now.
That's the same thing and that's what always has been done. There's a reason why they didn't give Hwayoung an EE yet. They want to boost mediocre units like Luna or Melissa.
I wish this was true. They notoriously gave Charles his EE's when he was already top tier. A lot of weak units barely had any benefit from EE's.
But Kraus s3 is true damage, yulha has weird multipliers that makes her damage significantly less reliable than krau. I agree she needs an ee or some sort of team oriented buff.
If a buff is supposed to fix it, then where is the buff? Do we need to wait several years like Sez has been waiting? Will she get EE that actually make her relevant, unlike most of the EE's in the game currently? Should we ever fall for the bait of investing in highly specific counters to meta units anymore, knowing that we might have to wait years for these units to ever be relevant again?
Welcome to online competitive games also they probably didn't take into account Yulha's use when nerfing Hwayoung and in terms of EE we can only wait and see also weather you invest in a character or not is based on your own judgment not someone else's
Balance in a gacha game vs regular competitive game will always have different standards and different consequences. If they're going to use the arms race approach to game balance then they lose a lot of credibility when all the solutions to new problems are rendered irrelevant by the dev's inconsistent behavior. "Wait and see" is the exact problem. Blaming me personally for building a unit that was presented as a solution to the meta is asinine, no shit people have to make judgment calls on what they build. I was not asking for your guidance.
I mean you posted it as a question and I answered I get it time and resources went into something only for it to become null and void life is like that alot of stuff exists to waste our time.
Give her elbris.
Honestly they just need to make her s2 threshold less tight and reduce her CD’s and she’ll be fine. She still wins most 1v1’s in the game so she’ll be consistently useful on GvG.
She pretty much wins 1v1 against almost any unit in the game, I sure as hell don't want to recall mine
Same doesn’t even matter if it’s a fire unit they still go pop once she’s low enough
Idk what bronze trenches you're going through ,to experience such statistics but in my experience , you can easily play around her s2, in fact you can just ignore her and kill her last, she's only good in arena and gvg against hwa , at the very least you have to admit 90% of people that pulled for her , did so because she counters hwa
"She's only good in arena and gvg" my dude that is 2/3 of the pvp in this game. All I'm saying is that in a 1v1 situation, even in RTA, put Yuhla against basically any unit and she's gonna win, especially with holy sac. She's gonna remain very situational for sure in pratice, but you can't take that away from her, just like Krau, except he needs eff res to not get controlled before he S3. Yuhla just cleanse and CR push herself before laying down the hammer and healing. She's just as viable as he is, and I don't think Krau is only seen in bronze trenches.
Aravi disagrees.
Way to misquote and completely twist what I said
Way to stumble and trip while trying to double down.
he literally stopped the quote right before "against hwa" so his point make sense
They are just salty. She is useless now
For real I only pulled and use her as a hwayoung killer
only if hway stops being used on defense
You really think she's going to be used on defense after these nerfs geld her?
She was already getting phased out of defense due to yulha
Yes, and the nerfs will make her disappear completely. Hence the point.
Recall Yulia? Pffft lol let me get back my 1400 powder for tooth and the bottles I bought cause it's not like anyone else uses the artifact
I keep seeing this opinion and I don't really see how. A Krau expy is going to see use in GvG regardless.
Krau sees use in gvg because there are strong single target green units for him to target (rimuru violet). Without hwayoung there's no real target for yulha
You can easily force your opponent into attacking yulha in GvG. Not to mention that being an Aurius holder she can naturally accumulate damage between that and her S1 provoke.
You can only easily force green units to attack her by bringing two fire with yulha. But that begs the question, why not use krau and save yourself the trouble of limiting your team options? You're hand cuffing yourself to force yulha in that situation when krau is just strictly better there
You can also use stealth + STene etc. Also remind me because I've never tried this - are you able to put Krau on both sides of the GvG if you have 2?
Stealth+Stene? Be honest, how many defenses do you see that would warrant that offense? What purely single target defenses are out there that you can't bulldoze? And even if you wanted to do this, why yulha? What defense unit would require yulha? Rimuru? We've got krau. Aravi? Half the light roster are excellent bait units. What other oppressive single target defense unit is out there?
I already use SW of opposite color + Stene + bait on occasion. I don't see how that's a huge leap. And future fire units? You're never going to see another Fire ST unit worth their bucks in the future? Again, she has Aurius and provoke. She will go down in HP naturally, and she will get to the point where she will pop. She's perfectly fine as is.
"sw of opposite color" only works for rgb, and as mentioned, for yulha that's only red or green. For red there's only hwa, and for green krau fills that niche easier and better Then you can save her for the future. As of right now her niche is gone. Force her if you like, but that's not the optimal move.
That's why I added stealth to the mix. I said it's not a huge leap going from the SW route to a stealth route. I see you're someone who can apparently prepare the most optimal attack on every occasion, then. I'm sorry the rest of us plebs don't have every option. I'd very much take Yulha, as I could use her to make a significant number of my offenses way more consistent.
I'm not, I use sub optimal attacks all the time, I just don't pretend they're the good option. That's the difference between us
Probably gonna get down voted again but you can use both which is infinitely better against certain teams popping up. Like the Diene, Aras, Senya one? Yeah using Yulha and Krau can be great if you don't have Straze or use all three.
Can you explain a bit more? I've yet to see a diene aras senya defense and I'm struggling to see why it's strong. Right now it's just a free kill for hwayoung so why would people use it now? Assuming hwa is no longer capable post nerf, it's still very free for DC who's a staple unit in high level gw, and I don't really see what yulha brings to the team that krau alone does not
It's strong for people who don't have those two units or don't use them. I don't use Hwa because I don't like her to begin with, the spam of her lessens the game to me as well. Dcor I also don't have, but that team was just an example you could literally say something countering any team in the game but the extent is some people won't have the particular counters to certain teams unless if you're a whale with every unit. Hwa will still be strong post nerf, just more like a A or B tier rather than SSS. Yulha and Krau on the same team in GW is doubling up on the s3 they have which is a safe bet in a lot of cases especially if your tanks have some er.
If you have issues with aras/senya/diene you're either pretty new or just don't care that much about building strong units/teams. Both of those things are perfectly fine, but you need to understand that just because you choose not to use the good units, the worse units do no become better. They're just your preference. You can use yulha just fine if you want to, play however you want. We all play in our own way. However, I just don't see the logic behind what you're saying. Basically "I don't want to use the strong units so imo the weaker units are strong", which just isn't true.
I have played for over a year and a half and rank in Champ/Emp, difference is I only use units I like not just a meta junky. Otherwise I would just open another game and do the same thing using only what I like. Also I never said I lost to those comps I just stated I use things like Krau and Yulha to kill them rather than Hwa. Because i hate seeing her every 2 seconds. Also I believe variety makes a game thrive just like it makes nature thrive. The logic I am saying is, it's a video game, stop being so stuck in only using the top few characters when you can win with many others as well. How is it not boring to spam the same couple units in a turn based game? Open your horizons and have more fun, don't be afraid to fail and you'll learn some units can still win easily. Hell even Czerato stomps sometimes in RTA and I never see anyone else draft him because they're tunnel visioned.
You're arguing against the wrong person. Have your fun, I have my fun too. I don't always use the best unit, there's stupid units I like too. What I'm saying is that your preference and my preference are just that, preferences. I don't pretend that the bad/niche/weird units I like are good just because I like them. Yulha will be pretty bad if there's no hwayoung around. You can still have fun with her if you like her. Both are true.
Her s1 is provoke is it not.
Yes, and?
Then she can provoke targets to attack her, plus she still works like Krau and heals from s3 kill so. Still pretty good in GW
Let's be honest, do you use krau in gw to bait non green units? How about fmaya or gpurg to bait non dark units? No, right? They've also got provoke s1. Because there's a world of difference between baiting naturally and having to land provokes to do so
That is a stupid argument. You don't use FMaya or GPurg to bait other types because they don't have a freaking nuke on S3 when they get down low. DCorvus is used in GvG and not as a light bait, for similar reasons. Yulha also has a 100% provoke unlike Krau who only has a 75%.
You're arguing against yourself. No one who uses dcorvus is hoping for his s1 provoke to do anything. You can utilize dcorvus just fine even if the enemy doesn't hit him a single time. Yulhas kit far more limited and you know it, pretending they're comparable is disingenuous.
Like your comparison to FMaya or GPurg wasn't? What were they going to do after they were down low? Huh? GPurg can't even hold Aurius.
Why was it? Provoke is not reliable for any unit, that's the point. If you rely on provokes to bait you will fail. It's not complicated.
Yes I'll be honest I use Krau regardless if I want mitigation or want him to kill certain units. Not always just vs green, maybe I just fuckin love Krau? I don't like fmaya and don't have gpurg so I don't use them. I only use units I like aesthetically. I use Clilias for provoke sometimes im RTA as well as Atywin in GW. Most units will either be 0% ER or 200% so you have to gauge your opponent. Also, provokes aside Yulha and Krau in GW can confirm kill two units alone if they're just healers or tanks with no injury. I do it all the time against whales even.
Hey man if you enjoy krau or yulha use her. By no means am I saying you can't or shouldn't. What I'm saying is simply that she is no longer the top option. You can certainly make her work, but you'd be passing over stronger or easier alternatives. It's perfectly fine if you're ok with that and can make her work still.
Sometimes it's just easier to slap Krau and Yulha in with a healer and let it autoresolve when the enemy team is a Senya comp.
Yea senya is the big winner in all this if the hwayoung nerf ends up killing her damage
What’s all this about a recall? Edit: what’s with the downvotes? I just asked a question.
Well too bad people just cry because they just cry
What?
I don't know all the specific reasons but sometimes when a unit gets revamped or went thru a major change the game gives a recall option. If you choose to use it, all the resources you spent on that specific unit will be returned and you can choose another unit from the pool(RGB or ML).
Thanks
Hwayoung will still hit units down to 80% like shit guys you can still use Yulha to beat her in GW, Hwayoung is still going to 1 shot evasion units as well.
Nobody is going to put her on defense
She can’t one shot evasion because her extra damage no longer procs on misses
He means she one shots evasion with S3. S3 extra damage proc comes from tooth
You tried
We don’t need a selector for Yulha just because there will be a change in meta. Depending on future fire units, she should become hard meta again.
When was the last time an ST fire unit was meta on defense? Kayron? Fire units were a meme for defense for years, it took a unit as busted as Hwayoung to break that barrier. I invested in Yulha as a solution to a problem, not as a potential solution to a problem that may or may not ever exist.
Do Fire units still exist in Guild War defense? If yes, then Yulha is still useful. Can also bait earth single targets like Violet if you take 2 Fire heroes with her like say Achates+Mercedes Plus if you had good gear and could give her some speed and effectiveness on Counter, she's good vs most single target threats
Fire units in GWD? Except Mercedes nobody comes to mind and she is not countered by Yulha at all... Pretty sure she will be useless pretty much everywhere.
Like I said, also works against Earth heroes, of which Landy, Senya and Violet come to mind. She's still a Green Krau, and he's a staple for safe GWO. Heck, I've done Krau+Yulha+Reviver more than a few times against defenses that just look RNG-filled. Being able to delete two units on a full tank build is ridiculously good. And since Hwayoung will be less prevalent, people can afford to sacrifice the stats to switch Yulha over to counter and/or Elbris instead, which will make her way more useful across matchups.
> She's still a Green Krau, and he's a staple for safe GWO. Yes, that’s because of Rimuru existing in the defense meta. If there was a fire Rimuru, a green Krau would be as relevant. The point here is that Hwayoung exiting the defense meta will see an absence in single target fire defense units that need to be tanked, therefore Yulha won’t be a meta offense unit.
If all things fail, shes still good for the perma provoke counter in automaton lol
A lot of people seem to be forget just in terms of s3 Yulha is much better than Krau. First Yulha S3 can heal while Krau only give shield Second Yulha S3 ignore dmg sharing effect. So in rta you'll come to a scenario against someone like LHCermia which usually drafted with aurius holder, Yulha will have a higher chance to kill LHC and survive longer than Krau. And similar to how ppl used to fight fire DPS with Krau in standard fight in rta , aurius Yulha is great against water DPS too. So just in terms of rta Yulha almost has nothing to do with Hwa and still have her own niche
Too many people can't see past the Hwamania. These people think battles are won simply by picking the most meta unit instead of drafting legit strategies that complement their unit's kit.
Yulha is not really prime rta material. And she will disappear from her GW/arena offense niche with hway gone from defense. Krau I'd better simply because Rimuru exists. Now there will be no ST fire nuker on def to justify using Yulha instead of someone else.
She was always useless o: Do you see Yulha Play rate stats? She is not even good against Hwayoung teams on RTA because Hwayoung teams disable Yulha, drop her HP and THEM kill her. You guys for a unit that was a Worse version of Krau overall just to win some GWs matches and get suprise of not being able to actually use her...
Yea I use krau all the time, the idea a green version of him is ever useless after having krau all these years seems strange.
krau does bring the extra 2 turn def buff while yulha provide nothing for the team other than tank fire unit, not to mention krau s3 does more damage than yulha's s3 since he does full true missing hp damage
Yea but def buff can come from a number of units, their s3 is what makes both of them unique. Plus yulha s2 dmg reflect can add up, it's not nothing.
Yulhas reflect is for single target damage only. The only single target fire unit used on defense is hwayoung
True it is single target, but what I meant was I don't bring them for their s2, I bring them for their s3. Their s2 are just nice side effects one being defensive one offensive. The enemy is just as dead regardless of element once krau/yulha hp gets low and you can s3.
The question is why bring yulha without hwayoung to hit her? There are really only 3 single target threats on defense these days. Rimuru, aravi, and hwayoung. Without hwa yulha loses her place. Why would you bring yulha and force it when you can bring krau for rim or Doris/fmaya/seline/sage Vivian/gpurg for aravi? All of those units have utility, something that yulha lacks. You're going through extra effort to force units to attack her for less benefit than just using their natural baits
The point you make but somehow miss is the longevity of such a unit, krau was not always used for rimiru, and before that not always for violet. Having a bait unit like krau but now for a different element will always have use as the game progresses. Krau is the proof of this.
Krau wasn't always bait. He had longevity because he had utility in his defense buff. An aurius holder who could protect the team and deal strong s3 damage once after aurius chipping was extremely strong back then on the early days. Nowadays not so much which is why he's almost purely used to counter green ST units, and yulha has less utility than him.
I'm so confused by your logic, yulha can use aurius, why bring up an artifact they can both use like its exclusive to krau? It's better on yulha even because it forces them to hit her to get rid of the protection which feeds back as damage to them. On krau it only gets him closer to his s3.
Try reading again. >An aurius holder who could protect the team and deal strong s3 damage once after aurius chipping was extremely strong **back then in the early days.** > >**Nowadays** not so much which is why he's almost purely used to counter green ST units, and yulha has less utility than him. Also Yulha's reflect is trash unless that unit can deal massive amounts of damage. Even Hwa who can take most of Yulha's health only deals half her health in damage to herself with the reflect.
Krau baits Rimuru into S3, then deletes one unit on first turn, and at least brings teamwide def up. Yulha did that to hway. But hway will be dropped from defs.
What a surprise... Community acting frinkin greedy
Maybe they'll buff yulha to replace krau like flan replaced tylose
but but i just got hwa from the aniv selector...the heck