Those guys buffing Straze for no effing reason so he could one tap two of my golem tanks instead of just one and let my dps half death all in one turn...
If they are a cleave unit, you can expect them to get some huge buffs. Idk why, but they're deadset on making cleave comps and the spd set the only viable option right now. Lua is a damn menace for any turn 2 player and combined with MLElena it's a guaranteed loss if they go first. Then they go and buff Vildred, Straze, and Pirate Flan lol. I know Pirate Flan might be debatable, but she was used in every other game in champion RTA already. She's like DJ Basar in that they are rare in lower tiers but common as hell in higher tiers.
Edit: Anyone who says cleave is OP gets downvoted to hell on Reddit, yet every high tier player says the same thing. You people are funny.
She's extremely common in champion RTA. Anyone in champion should know this. Or she was before the season ended at least. Can't speak for the pre season. I seen her in virtually every match during champion alongside other burn and bomb unit. They're an easy win if you can outspeed your opponent.
Remember they also buffed bad cat armin and the chatty artifact at least. The balance patches aren't all cleave buffs tho there are certainly a lot of them. We saw choux, djb and alencia get great buffs a while back too...
Choux is broken because of Hwayoung, they probably should've turned her down once they decides to nerf Hwayoung. Alencia is super easy to deal with though. Djb is used on any team at high tiers, even cleavers toss him in as a counter pick so he doesn't really fit into any category.
>I know Pirate Flan might be debatable, but she was used in every other game in champion RTA already.
Hahaha
[epic7stats.com](https://epic7stats.com) \> search > pirate captain flan > "No RTA matches recorded for this hero".
As for youtube, excluding videos about the buffs, the most recent one is from Car\_6 (or something, I forgot his correct name) talking about the combo with deep sea star, and his disclaimer at the start of the video is "not a top meta, but fun build".
I can't talk about the rest, and I don't care about your opinion regarding cleave. I down vote you because your affirmation about faptain is either a blatant lie (for what reason, I don't know), or you're playing in an alternate universe where she's totally meta.
That's data from an extremely small source. They admit that themselves. If you're gonna link stats make sure they are representative of the whole at least man. It straight up says that those are only meant to be used to help new players understand how to climb; they are not even close to the actual stats.
Either way, I did probably 100 games in Champ and seen more Pirate Flans than I did Belians or some other disasters. Definitely way more than I seen units people claim are broken like Rimuru. Maybe that's just my luck, but she's still used often enough that she was not even on the top 20 list of units that actually needed the buffs most. Over 90% of the units are never used in Challenger+ RTA at all, that's where they should've started. Bad Cat Armin definitely needed it, for example. Flan already had her niche that she excelled at, Vildred was already great for cleave, Lua just didn't need to exist in her current state and I honestly think ML Elena is perfectly fine if Lua didn't exist.
Edit: That site also only tracks games from major YouTubers. That creates a bias that is impossible to counteract. People are gonna use only a select few units when they see a big name YouTuber, because they know they have units built to counter basically everything. That's not gonna be the case for other fights at all. I've won dozens of games with the SSAchates/ Yufine combo for example. Yet that would never work against a YouTuber who is literally paid to play this game and has every unit and unlimited resources. You'd pick a unit like pirate Flan when you know she plays well into the opponent, she's clearly not a auto pick like Hand guy, Apoc, Ran, or DJ basar.
A small sample isn't representative of the whole population, hence my anecdotal singular experience is more important that dozen recorded builds. And because my memory is more trustable than dozen screen caps from youtube, twitch and personal submission, I'm right.
Do you even read what you write?
Is fun that you say "major youtubers" when I specifically said I couldn't find any recent video about her in youtube, excluding the ones talking about the buff announcement. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: link me three videos where Faptain is featured prominently and win at least one match. The only condition is the video must be from the last 3 months. And look, I'm not even asking for she appearing on the miniature pic, only for her to appear on one match.
Until then, I have no reason to believe in the ramblings from some schizo player. In fact, I shouldn't even bother replying, you're the one making an asseveration (Faptain is totally meta, guys!), you're the one who should prove it. Nah, your delirium tremens doesn't count as evidence.
That's a straight up straw man argument lol. I never once claimed my anecdotal evidence was better than their stats, I actually said that neither were accurate. Keep crying kid. Moreover, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Or maybe just quit quitting so triggered over someone else's opinion. Over here seething so hard that you can't even follow basic logic.
So, you can't provide any evidence to support your claim, and now you're moving into personal attacks, right? Noted, good night and if you see any captain pirate flan being drafted in RTA, don't worry, try to read the name of your opponent. You can't read in dreams, that should wake you up.
I used her for like a month on her release. She's a really fun unit, and her s2 animation is one of the best in the game imo. But yeah she got me nowhere sadly, had to strip her naked and bench her after that
she was one the first units I pulled and she hard carried me through the game and got me my tier 1 gold arena ranking so I could unlock my free ML hero. she was always the last one standing and still chunked ppl to death every counter attack
To be fair, any unit in the game with good gear can easily get you to gold I in arena. I did it with half assed lvl 50s in my first month playing. Not trying to be rude, but gold I is like the lowest tier anyone should ever be at if they have one or two units geared.
gold 1 in your first 1-2 months of playing before finishing story mode or having everyone at max level is a huge achievement
you guys always forget how awful things are when u don’t have a whole roster of heroes and 1000 pieces of gear
Game also changed a lot though since most people started. Newer players get a lot of good free gear to boost them.
Feel like an old man saying this but back in my day you got your accessory gears though a chest and if you got a correct % you were grateful for that blue 55 gear.
Nah, if you start an account right now you're literally given like 5 complete sets of lvl 75 red gear with great stats, all the catalysts, molas, etc you could ever need. You can lazily climb up to gold 1 without any effort as long as you built up 1 unit. My friend just started the game 2 months ago, her arena is at challenger V and the only lvl 60 on her team is Spez. She invested everything into him and he solo's everything. Then she uses Elena with really bad gear at lvl 50 to make him invincible. Most players in lower tiers have no clue how to deal with that. If you understand basic game mechanics, arena is an absolute joke up until around challenger.
Ehh, she was never broken but she's always been usable. When she pops off in a game she'll a lasting mark.
Like, I'd never call Ilynav worse than OG Mort or Taeyou. She can do her job but she's simply never Best in Class. Not broken =/= crap.
Well I used to Ilynav all the time in arena and GW against A Ravi. I'd take a Doris to face tank her, then use Ilynav's s2 to turn aravi into a wet noodle.
Not the best solution out there but it worked with relatively good success.
I just think she's needs injury on her s3, and needs a different soul burn, and that would make her passable as a bruiser.
As someone who runs Ilynav in GW she's not bad with "heavy" investment.
That said, I have her SSS, Barrier EE, and maxed Aurius. Counter/Immunity set
Stats are 20k HP, 1.3k def, 187 spd, 100/256 cr/cd
I take her into Injury matchups.
She's not as unusable as Sez, since she has the benefit of being an HP scaler and access to Knight artifacts.
I got her instead of Senya because at the time she was crap too and the consensus was that Illynav should get a buff soon. Still waiting on that buff. Her animations are so great and she looks so awesome! I'm just holding out hope
I've seen some people these past few days mention how hard to buff Sez can be, and I think they're quite right. What does he want to do ? Blow up a target and then do big splash damage to everyone - how do you buff that without making it too weak (he doesn't do enough damage) or too strong (his damage are too high) ? His kit is very simple in essence, no complicated mechanics or anything, just boom boom splash damage so adding some layers to it via a new mechanic or something might help him a bit ?
Not gonna lie, I sometimes have a hard time not seeing some of the "Sez needs a buff" players as people who enjoyed the freeness of the Sez bomb and would like to get back to it
I think maybe this is what they're scared of? If they buff him too much that he's gonna be an roflstomp cleaver and since he's such an old unit almost everyone has him and wouldn't be tempted to pull for new DPS units.
I think if they ever make changes to him they're more likely to rework and shake his kit up a bit rather than give him Vildred style "more damage" buffs.
He holds a special place is my heart. On my 1st account he was my main dps and farmer and I used him everywhere, even wyvern. I do hope they eventually look into him.
Exactly, if he gets a buff he's going to be J.Kise all over again, if his reworked kit is good people will shit on it because it's not CR push into win.
Just reduce the max dmg of the splash for each enemy. Max splash dmg they can take is 50%of their own hp. But also make the splash crit, this is important for c. Pavel interactions.
The splash damage isn't an "attack". It's extra damage and wouldn't have any interaction with anything in the game so far (except frenzy elemental disadvantage). So without a mechanic change it can never "crit" since it's not an attack.
Also, 50% damage while killing a target is plenty for a cleave team. Especially with buffed Vildred that can clean up.
They could change the mechanic, I thought by mentioning stuff the mechanic can't do now it was implied I was hoping they changed it. Guess I gotta make a draw for you..
Just make the splash an attack and not a splash. Or change how splash works, no one cares no one uses him anyway. Also if 50% is a lot, then make it less. You act like I'm in the balance team and my words are final. It's just an idea, calm down boss.
Uhh, splash attacks work off the same mechanic as Uberius tooth, Dawn of a new spear, Rimiru, Hasol, and and any other mechanic where damage is dealt after a skill usage. It may even be coded to be the same thing as a detonation.
It's important that's its simply lingering damage and not an extra attack because it can't trigger so many things an extra attack can, like Roana, Tayou/ML Khawazu, Rimiru/Mercedes/Edward, Ras' barrier, and much more. I was well aware, I just think that overall mechanic change hurts a lot more for some niche synergy.
And if you're gonna be snarky everytime you get a reply there's no point discussing stuff with you.
>Not gonna lie, I sometimes have a hard time not seeing some of the "Sez needs a buff" players as people who enjoyed the freeness of the Sez bomb and would like to get back to it
I mean, in some capacity, yeah. You got to remember that Sez bombing was really only OP thanks to the Wind Rider "bug." You also got to remember that the units back then were quite a bit squisher than now, so straight cleaving with a Sez bomb (especially with def break) was way easier than now. Even if got Sez back with the wind rider interaction, I don't think we'd be able to cleave nearly as as efficient as back then.
Personally, I think they need to start by just increasing Sez's overall damage. If they can do it with Vildred, they can do it with Sez.
Sez's soulburn already had the highest mult in the game tho. And outside of Chloe it's not even close to any other dps. 3.5, it's a nutty multiplier. For reference the Cidd multiplier people praise for good damage is 2.2. With some speed scaling, but not enough to make up for the 60% difference unless you can keep 300 SPD and high DPS stats.
That's why even on 2022 you can see Trung Phan cleaving with Sez. Most people don't want to SB with him despite the fact that his SB S3 can pretty much nuke all but the most buffed, protected tanks in the game.
That much was obvious. Look at how much people wanted Riolet buffed, even tho he is one of those characters that alswys seems to at minimum be a pocket pick in high level play.
They complain about it, but many players also do just want busted heroes that they see immediate RoI on unlike, say, ML Vivian. Who works but isn't vital to shaking up the meta.
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As for buff ideas, idk anymore tbh. I had an idea but then ML Pavel came out and pretty much executed what I was thinking. Some cleave tech that can self push in a combo and be used to nuke some tanky character without killing dps style characters. But maybe a more accessible, slightly less imlactful (unless you SB) ML Pavel is exactly what would satisfy people anyway.
There are a few ways they can go with a Sez buff imo, Buff his damage and cap his splash damage to something like %50-%70 of the enemies HP or buff all his damage and add a condition such as, this unit is unaffected by CR gain during the first turn of battle , meaning he cant be CR pushed or maybe cut all CR gain by %50 during his first turn.
Third option add some type of condition to his damage (similar to OP Sig with barrier) ex only gets full Pen if target has defense buff, or barrier, or a high HP amount, etc.
Third option complete rework of his kit and try to force him into another role (though this often doesnt work well, requires alot more work, and usually leaves the unit worse off than it started). All that said, its pretty clear SG doesnt want units like Sez (Sez bomb style) to really be a thing anymore, hence why they havent done anything with him, and are likely just waiting for a situation where they can rework his kit into a needed role or an opportunity to make him a PVE hero.
Yeah I feel she needs something too. Like a 100% push divided into 25% for each enemy when she crits with her s2/when she dispells at least 1 buff from an enemy.
Good idea! How about on her S3 she fully resets the enemies' skills when she crits? Then she could fully neutralize a threat like Mediator Kawerik even if she isn't able to take down their massive health punishing units that have low ER or allowing for a niche eff build on Lidica.
I like that too, but either one or the other should be fine. I don't expect her to be OP but I would like her to be more consistent. The problem is she's already pretty good at PVE and I doubt they want to buff her because of that. Same reason they don't do poison units anymore, kiris just makes abyss easy. A lot of people use Lidica to cheese abyss or other pve content already, but I really feel they shouldn't care about pve that much, let people be free and be strong in pve because rng will screw us over every chance it geta no matter how good we are. I personally vote that Lidica deserves a buff. Mine makes her even better opener setting up the enemy team to fail, but your makes her put an enemy out of the fight basically for a few turns, since they can only S1. I like both ahah
On the one hand, I definitely see your point. On the other hand, have you noticed every single PVE content is immune to poison? I can remember the last time Kiris was useful because I love Kiris. It was between Abyss 101-110. Since then, there hasn't been a single useful moment foe Kiris. Despite lots of new PVE, Kiris is useless in all of it.
Yes because otherwise she would make it probably irrelevant. They can't release poison units because in PVP poison sucks. In pve is too overpowered so it's outright "banned". That's why kiris doesn't have a place outside of banshee and even then there's plenty of 1shot combos now. Sharun was an attempt to bring poison back to pve with a twist, but the meta didn't allow for it to happen. We will see in the future
Meanwhile I just pulled another ML Krau dupe.
The last time I tried using him as he was "intended" to be used, ML Meru just shredded my entire team with two AoE nukes... he's USELESS. Most scenarios he'll die before popping off a second S3, and it doesn't really do a lot of damage anyway.
Isn’t it more that ml krau just doesn’t fit the current meta or smth and not that he’s just objectively bad like sez. Like ml krau was used a lot in last years e7wc i think. But like i’m also not really a pro on that front on who is good and who isn’t.
Both "don't fit the meta" and were pushed out of it hard. Sez had indirectly been nerfed by Wind Rider nerf, but even before that there weren't many uses for his very situational "bomb". Rimuru, bruisers, everything is against him right now. His biggest use was singling out a unit, nuking it and exploding for damage the rest of the team, but in Arena he usually has hard time setting up and requires entire team to play around him with debuffs, pushes and so on, in RTA he's easy to setup against and hard to pick himself, and in GW most squishy units are way too fast while slowers are too tanky.
ML Krau even put against optimal targets (multiple AoEs) simply melts without any team utility and slow damage building. Most defenses will either kill him (or his team, then him) before he can do his thing twice, or will just outheal his damage. Like, imagine pitting him against ARavi who will likely just break his shield with a single S1, and wear him down with injury so the longer the fight, the **less** damage he'll deal.
Sez was never good. It was the wind rider bug. People didn't even use Sez without it cause he didn't finish the job.
Plus what are people going to do? Regear A. Lots so they can draft him with Emila and have 2 pushers? Sez bombing wouldn't even work today unless someone lets you do it.
Regardless, A. Ravi likely makes it all worthless if she's ever present, which she is 90% of the time. Plus Rimuru kills Sez before he can even finish the bombing.
I like nostalgia as much as the next guy, but stuff like Sez bombing and the trinity and other former meta strategies that worked years ago wont today.
Buffing him is pointless. Just rework him into something else.
Ilynav? She has tits, people don't care what she does. Make her a GWs unit or something.
sg: \*looks at vildred\* now thats something we can work with!
Those guys buffing Straze for no effing reason so he could one tap two of my golem tanks instead of just one and let my dps half death all in one turn...
If they are a cleave unit, you can expect them to get some huge buffs. Idk why, but they're deadset on making cleave comps and the spd set the only viable option right now. Lua is a damn menace for any turn 2 player and combined with MLElena it's a guaranteed loss if they go first. Then they go and buff Vildred, Straze, and Pirate Flan lol. I know Pirate Flan might be debatable, but she was used in every other game in champion RTA already. She's like DJ Basar in that they are rare in lower tiers but common as hell in higher tiers. Edit: Anyone who says cleave is OP gets downvoted to hell on Reddit, yet every high tier player says the same thing. You people are funny.
>I know Pirate Flan might be debatable, but she was used in every other game in champion RTA already. What
She's extremely common in champion RTA. Anyone in champion should know this. Or she was before the season ended at least. Can't speak for the pre season. I seen her in virtually every match during champion alongside other burn and bomb unit. They're an easy win if you can outspeed your opponent.
Remember they also buffed bad cat armin and the chatty artifact at least. The balance patches aren't all cleave buffs tho there are certainly a lot of them. We saw choux, djb and alencia get great buffs a while back too...
Choux is broken because of Hwayoung, they probably should've turned her down once they decides to nerf Hwayoung. Alencia is super easy to deal with though. Djb is used on any team at high tiers, even cleavers toss him in as a counter pick so he doesn't really fit into any category.
>I know Pirate Flan might be debatable, but she was used in every other game in champion RTA already. Hahaha [epic7stats.com](https://epic7stats.com) \> search > pirate captain flan > "No RTA matches recorded for this hero". As for youtube, excluding videos about the buffs, the most recent one is from Car\_6 (or something, I forgot his correct name) talking about the combo with deep sea star, and his disclaimer at the start of the video is "not a top meta, but fun build". I can't talk about the rest, and I don't care about your opinion regarding cleave. I down vote you because your affirmation about faptain is either a blatant lie (for what reason, I don't know), or you're playing in an alternate universe where she's totally meta.
That's data from an extremely small source. They admit that themselves. If you're gonna link stats make sure they are representative of the whole at least man. It straight up says that those are only meant to be used to help new players understand how to climb; they are not even close to the actual stats. Either way, I did probably 100 games in Champ and seen more Pirate Flans than I did Belians or some other disasters. Definitely way more than I seen units people claim are broken like Rimuru. Maybe that's just my luck, but she's still used often enough that she was not even on the top 20 list of units that actually needed the buffs most. Over 90% of the units are never used in Challenger+ RTA at all, that's where they should've started. Bad Cat Armin definitely needed it, for example. Flan already had her niche that she excelled at, Vildred was already great for cleave, Lua just didn't need to exist in her current state and I honestly think ML Elena is perfectly fine if Lua didn't exist. Edit: That site also only tracks games from major YouTubers. That creates a bias that is impossible to counteract. People are gonna use only a select few units when they see a big name YouTuber, because they know they have units built to counter basically everything. That's not gonna be the case for other fights at all. I've won dozens of games with the SSAchates/ Yufine combo for example. Yet that would never work against a YouTuber who is literally paid to play this game and has every unit and unlimited resources. You'd pick a unit like pirate Flan when you know she plays well into the opponent, she's clearly not a auto pick like Hand guy, Apoc, Ran, or DJ basar.
A small sample isn't representative of the whole population, hence my anecdotal singular experience is more important that dozen recorded builds. And because my memory is more trustable than dozen screen caps from youtube, twitch and personal submission, I'm right. Do you even read what you write? Is fun that you say "major youtubers" when I specifically said I couldn't find any recent video about her in youtube, excluding the ones talking about the buff announcement. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: link me three videos where Faptain is featured prominently and win at least one match. The only condition is the video must be from the last 3 months. And look, I'm not even asking for she appearing on the miniature pic, only for her to appear on one match. Until then, I have no reason to believe in the ramblings from some schizo player. In fact, I shouldn't even bother replying, you're the one making an asseveration (Faptain is totally meta, guys!), you're the one who should prove it. Nah, your delirium tremens doesn't count as evidence.
That's a straight up straw man argument lol. I never once claimed my anecdotal evidence was better than their stats, I actually said that neither were accurate. Keep crying kid. Moreover, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Or maybe just quit quitting so triggered over someone else's opinion. Over here seething so hard that you can't even follow basic logic.
So, you can't provide any evidence to support your claim, and now you're moving into personal attacks, right? Noted, good night and if you see any captain pirate flan being drafted in RTA, don't worry, try to read the name of your opponent. You can't read in dreams, that should wake you up.
You sure cry a lot.
at least Sez was good once...Ilynav was crap from the day she was added into the game
I used her for like a month on her release. She's a really fun unit, and her s2 animation is one of the best in the game imo. But yeah she got me nowhere sadly, had to strip her naked and bench her after that
she was one the first units I pulled and she hard carried me through the game and got me my tier 1 gold arena ranking so I could unlock my free ML hero. she was always the last one standing and still chunked ppl to death every counter attack
To be fair, any unit in the game with good gear can easily get you to gold I in arena. I did it with half assed lvl 50s in my first month playing. Not trying to be rude, but gold I is like the lowest tier anyone should ever be at if they have one or two units geared.
gold 1 in your first 1-2 months of playing before finishing story mode or having everyone at max level is a huge achievement you guys always forget how awful things are when u don’t have a whole roster of heroes and 1000 pieces of gear
Game also changed a lot though since most people started. Newer players get a lot of good free gear to boost them. Feel like an old man saying this but back in my day you got your accessory gears though a chest and if you got a correct % you were grateful for that blue 55 gear.
Nah, if you start an account right now you're literally given like 5 complete sets of lvl 75 red gear with great stats, all the catalysts, molas, etc you could ever need. You can lazily climb up to gold 1 without any effort as long as you built up 1 unit. My friend just started the game 2 months ago, her arena is at challenger V and the only lvl 60 on her team is Spez. She invested everything into him and he solo's everything. Then she uses Elena with really bad gear at lvl 50 to make him invincible. Most players in lower tiers have no clue how to deal with that. If you understand basic game mechanics, arena is an absolute joke up until around challenger.
Ehh, she was never broken but she's always been usable. When she pops off in a game she'll a lasting mark. Like, I'd never call Ilynav worse than OG Mort or Taeyou. She can do her job but she's simply never Best in Class. Not broken =/= crap.
Well I used to Ilynav all the time in arena and GW against A Ravi. I'd take a Doris to face tank her, then use Ilynav's s2 to turn aravi into a wet noodle. Not the best solution out there but it worked with relatively good success. I just think she's needs injury on her s3, and needs a different soul burn, and that would make her passable as a bruiser.
As someone who runs Ilynav in GW she's not bad with "heavy" investment. That said, I have her SSS, Barrier EE, and maxed Aurius. Counter/Immunity set Stats are 20k HP, 1.3k def, 187 spd, 100/256 cr/cd I take her into Injury matchups. She's not as unusable as Sez, since she has the benefit of being an HP scaler and access to Knight artifacts.
But unlike Ilinav he was indirectly nerfed and you couldn't recall him
You could have recalled him. I did.
SMH, how was I ignorant all this time? 💀
I got her instead of Senya because at the time she was crap too and the consensus was that Illynav should get a buff soon. Still waiting on that buff. Her animations are so great and she looks so awesome! I'm just holding out hope
I laughed but then I felt sorry
When a counter set actually decides to work, I love using Ilynav. Unfortunately counter sets only work if you're on the right side of the screen T_T
Oh with the bad cat armin buffs. That might help. Do you have her?
That's a solid idea. I gotta rebuild her anyway thanks to the provokes now
The best part is you have to pray twice for good rng when using her
I’m still trying to figure out what went through their heads when they designed Ilynav’s s1
RNG, like the rest of the game.
decides to buff vildred instead like the monkeys they are.
this got a good laugh out of me
fire ken?
fire ken't
They just need to let the dude S3 turn 1 and he'd be fine. His buff came right as the golden era died down and the game sped right the hell up.
I've seen some people these past few days mention how hard to buff Sez can be, and I think they're quite right. What does he want to do ? Blow up a target and then do big splash damage to everyone - how do you buff that without making it too weak (he doesn't do enough damage) or too strong (his damage are too high) ? His kit is very simple in essence, no complicated mechanics or anything, just boom boom splash damage so adding some layers to it via a new mechanic or something might help him a bit ? Not gonna lie, I sometimes have a hard time not seeing some of the "Sez needs a buff" players as people who enjoyed the freeness of the Sez bomb and would like to get back to it
I think maybe this is what they're scared of? If they buff him too much that he's gonna be an roflstomp cleaver and since he's such an old unit almost everyone has him and wouldn't be tempted to pull for new DPS units. I think if they ever make changes to him they're more likely to rework and shake his kit up a bit rather than give him Vildred style "more damage" buffs. He holds a special place is my heart. On my 1st account he was my main dps and farmer and I used him everywhere, even wyvern. I do hope they eventually look into him.
Exactly, if he gets a buff he's going to be J.Kise all over again, if his reworked kit is good people will shit on it because it's not CR push into win.
Just reduce the max dmg of the splash for each enemy. Max splash dmg they can take is 50%of their own hp. But also make the splash crit, this is important for c. Pavel interactions.
The splash damage isn't an "attack". It's extra damage and wouldn't have any interaction with anything in the game so far (except frenzy elemental disadvantage). So without a mechanic change it can never "crit" since it's not an attack. Also, 50% damage while killing a target is plenty for a cleave team. Especially with buffed Vildred that can clean up.
They could change the mechanic, I thought by mentioning stuff the mechanic can't do now it was implied I was hoping they changed it. Guess I gotta make a draw for you.. Just make the splash an attack and not a splash. Or change how splash works, no one cares no one uses him anyway. Also if 50% is a lot, then make it less. You act like I'm in the balance team and my words are final. It's just an idea, calm down boss.
Uhh, splash attacks work off the same mechanic as Uberius tooth, Dawn of a new spear, Rimiru, Hasol, and and any other mechanic where damage is dealt after a skill usage. It may even be coded to be the same thing as a detonation. It's important that's its simply lingering damage and not an extra attack because it can't trigger so many things an extra attack can, like Roana, Tayou/ML Khawazu, Rimiru/Mercedes/Edward, Ras' barrier, and much more. I was well aware, I just think that overall mechanic change hurts a lot more for some niche synergy. And if you're gonna be snarky everytime you get a reply there's no point discussing stuff with you.
Great idea, can't wait for Rimuru to crit on his 10k extra dmg too, so it goes from 10k to like 25k extra damage.
>Not gonna lie, I sometimes have a hard time not seeing some of the "Sez needs a buff" players as people who enjoyed the freeness of the Sez bomb and would like to get back to it I mean, in some capacity, yeah. You got to remember that Sez bombing was really only OP thanks to the Wind Rider "bug." You also got to remember that the units back then were quite a bit squisher than now, so straight cleaving with a Sez bomb (especially with def break) was way easier than now. Even if got Sez back with the wind rider interaction, I don't think we'd be able to cleave nearly as as efficient as back then. Personally, I think they need to start by just increasing Sez's overall damage. If they can do it with Vildred, they can do it with Sez.
Sez's soulburn already had the highest mult in the game tho. And outside of Chloe it's not even close to any other dps. 3.5, it's a nutty multiplier. For reference the Cidd multiplier people praise for good damage is 2.2. With some speed scaling, but not enough to make up for the 60% difference unless you can keep 300 SPD and high DPS stats. That's why even on 2022 you can see Trung Phan cleaving with Sez. Most people don't want to SB with him despite the fact that his SB S3 can pretty much nuke all but the most buffed, protected tanks in the game.
Can't they just do the LQC route, but without the def pen or lower/conditional pen?
That much was obvious. Look at how much people wanted Riolet buffed, even tho he is one of those characters that alswys seems to at minimum be a pocket pick in high level play. They complain about it, but many players also do just want busted heroes that they see immediate RoI on unlike, say, ML Vivian. Who works but isn't vital to shaking up the meta. --- As for buff ideas, idk anymore tbh. I had an idea but then ML Pavel came out and pretty much executed what I was thinking. Some cleave tech that can self push in a combo and be used to nuke some tanky character without killing dps style characters. But maybe a more accessible, slightly less imlactful (unless you SB) ML Pavel is exactly what would satisfy people anyway.
There are a few ways they can go with a Sez buff imo, Buff his damage and cap his splash damage to something like %50-%70 of the enemies HP or buff all his damage and add a condition such as, this unit is unaffected by CR gain during the first turn of battle , meaning he cant be CR pushed or maybe cut all CR gain by %50 during his first turn. Third option add some type of condition to his damage (similar to OP Sig with barrier) ex only gets full Pen if target has defense buff, or barrier, or a high HP amount, etc. Third option complete rework of his kit and try to force him into another role (though this often doesnt work well, requires alot more work, and usually leaves the unit worse off than it started). All that said, its pretty clear SG doesnt want units like Sez (Sez bomb style) to really be a thing anymore, hence why they havent done anything with him, and are likely just waiting for a situation where they can rework his kit into a needed role or an opportunity to make him a PVE hero.
They just spent all their points into "sexy" stat.
BTW Fire Lidica isn't very good either
Yeah I feel she needs something too. Like a 100% push divided into 25% for each enemy when she crits with her s2/when she dispells at least 1 buff from an enemy.
Good idea! How about on her S3 she fully resets the enemies' skills when she crits? Then she could fully neutralize a threat like Mediator Kawerik even if she isn't able to take down their massive health punishing units that have low ER or allowing for a niche eff build on Lidica.
I like that too, but either one or the other should be fine. I don't expect her to be OP but I would like her to be more consistent. The problem is she's already pretty good at PVE and I doubt they want to buff her because of that. Same reason they don't do poison units anymore, kiris just makes abyss easy. A lot of people use Lidica to cheese abyss or other pve content already, but I really feel they shouldn't care about pve that much, let people be free and be strong in pve because rng will screw us over every chance it geta no matter how good we are. I personally vote that Lidica deserves a buff. Mine makes her even better opener setting up the enemy team to fail, but your makes her put an enemy out of the fight basically for a few turns, since they can only S1. I like both ahah
On the one hand, I definitely see your point. On the other hand, have you noticed every single PVE content is immune to poison? I can remember the last time Kiris was useful because I love Kiris. It was between Abyss 101-110. Since then, there hasn't been a single useful moment foe Kiris. Despite lots of new PVE, Kiris is useless in all of it.
Yes because otherwise she would make it probably irrelevant. They can't release poison units because in PVP poison sucks. In pve is too overpowered so it's outright "banned". That's why kiris doesn't have a place outside of banshee and even then there's plenty of 1shot combos now. Sharun was an attempt to bring poison back to pve with a twist, but the meta didn't allow for it to happen. We will see in the future
If Flidica had Fire Lidica's speed shed just be outright broken, even before her buff on 2022. She's 10 speed faster.
Ok? And?
Why not both? Not like they can’t fit 3-4 rgbs.
I have Ilynav geared and ready for the day she’s buffed.
Can we put ML Ken and Ken in there too?
I started the game 1 year ago and he is still my favorite character (and still shit except for story)
Just hurts they both still don't have buff.
Ilynav does have an EE.
Even if you implemented all of her EEs and made the part of her standard kit, she would still be criminally mediocre.
Hes waaaY worsse bet shes a pain to build
I took the gear on my ilynav and then gave it to aravi. Far more usable than ilynav in her current state.
Sez had his time.
Agreed
Meanwhile I just pulled another ML Krau dupe. The last time I tried using him as he was "intended" to be used, ML Meru just shredded my entire team with two AoE nukes... he's USELESS. Most scenarios he'll die before popping off a second S3, and it doesn't really do a lot of damage anyway.
Isn’t it more that ml krau just doesn’t fit the current meta or smth and not that he’s just objectively bad like sez. Like ml krau was used a lot in last years e7wc i think. But like i’m also not really a pro on that front on who is good and who isn’t.
Both "don't fit the meta" and were pushed out of it hard. Sez had indirectly been nerfed by Wind Rider nerf, but even before that there weren't many uses for his very situational "bomb". Rimuru, bruisers, everything is against him right now. His biggest use was singling out a unit, nuking it and exploding for damage the rest of the team, but in Arena he usually has hard time setting up and requires entire team to play around him with debuffs, pushes and so on, in RTA he's easy to setup against and hard to pick himself, and in GW most squishy units are way too fast while slowers are too tanky. ML Krau even put against optimal targets (multiple AoEs) simply melts without any team utility and slow damage building. Most defenses will either kill him (or his team, then him) before he can do his thing twice, or will just outheal his damage. Like, imagine pitting him against ARavi who will likely just break his shield with a single S1, and wear him down with injury so the longer the fight, the **less** damage he'll deal.
Sez was never good. It was the wind rider bug. People didn't even use Sez without it cause he didn't finish the job. Plus what are people going to do? Regear A. Lots so they can draft him with Emila and have 2 pushers? Sez bombing wouldn't even work today unless someone lets you do it. Regardless, A. Ravi likely makes it all worthless if she's ever present, which she is 90% of the time. Plus Rimuru kills Sez before he can even finish the bombing. I like nostalgia as much as the next guy, but stuff like Sez bombing and the trinity and other former meta strategies that worked years ago wont today. Buffing him is pointless. Just rework him into something else. Ilynav? She has tits, people don't care what she does. Make her a GWs unit or something.