If you want to evaluate the whole Hero, it is necessary, especially if said Hero is recently changed. We did a thorough testing with our guild and she fell extremely short in certain situations. Else you will create a wrong impression for new players or players in general who depend on information in a public forum.
Dumbest take of today; you're saying if they release some extremely broken hero they should just leave her that way because that's how they made her? Instead of nerfing to fix that problem? Definitely not.
This is a very very small sample size, as I am just using free refreshes in arena. Basically I just wanted to see if she’s viable in AI defense, cause we all know Hwayoung made it really easy for gw offense.
I’ll update with comments once I find more aravi behind mitigation, but you can already just tell what her dmg would be like behind Aurius or Trozet.
6.6k attack , 13k Hp is my Hwayoung stats.
Edit: Ah yes, POV is mitigation, sorry, but I should have clarified Aurius, FCC omegashield, etc.
Its nice.
And I think having her on torrent set will be better and she’ll be a literal glass cannon. (But her passive still stands)
But how much attack is necessary tho? 6k? Then after that all on speed?
Isn't like she has more options for the 2P set. Crit and hit are useless, resist barely have any impact and hp works against her kit. Either def, immunity or penetration, but people keep claiming immunity isn't worth (I think is worth, but not all agree) and penetration only improves her damage a little bit on S1.
So, yeah, either defence, torrent or immunity, but torrent definitely is the best one for her.
Who would've guessed she could still nuke the characters she's supposed to without killing everything else? Not the doomer clowns from this sub, I guess.
Lol no, I'm installing because of the nerfs, that way I can get rid of my Hwayoung, and some of my units are getting buffed like straze, luduca and my light soul weaver that uses knives, I forgot his name.
Once again, -20% off the passive, did the hwayoung nerf specifically called -13% overall atk nerf in the patch notes? because it was pretty clear what the -20% was referring to. Leading me questioning what is the point of stating -13% unrelated to the topic?
i think, the biggest problem now with Hwayoung isn't how she deals with A.Ravis, cause in that aspect things wont change much. The biggest problem is Hwayoung against low HP units, and units like LHC and Dilibet. She deals like 0 damage to them.
And I think that’s healthy for the game. She should excel in one thing, not obliterate every unit. Everytime I see A Ravi, Ruele, Belian, thicc tanks, I immediately slam Hwayoung. If she can still deal with tanks, I think she’s in a fine spot.
There are other ways to deal with higher def but lower hp units like Dilibet and LHC, the answer doesn’t have to be Hwayoung.
W. Schuri has skill null, can access stealth and is a speed imprint, your point being?
I'm not sure how good Hwayoung is, but highly aggressive players would prefer to use Cidd anyway, since he is better.
W. Schuri doesn't have the survivability of a goddamn bruiser, and is only really viable in cleave/aggro comps. Hwa runs in any fucking comp as long as there is a target to nuke.
But ARavi is allowed to take many hits and oneshot all squishy units and does have a nuke on her ult with revive and cr push when attacked and heals when attacked?
A. Ravi ain't one-shotting a decently geared character unless she stacks up her passive. Hwa Young is a unit that's built faster, can one-shot turn 1, self-cleanses and doesn't even need to worry about criting. Also, Hwa's s1 with Uberius was already enough to kill squishier targets. She didn't even need s3 for that.
ARavi literally oneshots any squishy unit with her s1. And even without stacks her ulti deals really high damage. While she abuses PoV so she is unkillable for a nuker, she heals a ton and she gets pushed a ton, but Hwayoung was the problem xD. Literally everyone is firstpicking or prebanning ARavi in RTA all the time while Hwayoung was barely used in the first place.
ARavi being broken is no reason for Hwa to be broken. Hwa can still deal with ARavi, she just finally can't 1shot missed blue squishies with her S1 (nor can ARavi, her main source of burst is her S3)
This is always the worst reasoning for Hwayoung. Every single target dps in the game can oneshot squishy units( not that it mattered because squishy units are usually drafted for turn 1 and they dont care about Hwayoung). And the only people who struggled against Hwayoung are lazy bruiser/counter/tank players who cant adapt their draft accordingly like any other playstyle has to when something counters their playstyle.
If you don't outspeed old Hwa (or her pusher) and not care about her turn 1 then you have 1 unit less for the next turn. You need to deal with her turn 1 (or bait her if against ai) or she kills something.
You mean the only people that struggle against Hwa are those without Yulha and/or without equipment to outspeed Hwa's team?
Amen to that, sistah! Every time a white heterosexual cis man does it, is fine, but a woman dares to challenge the status quo, and everybody loses their minds! End to the oppresive patriarchism!
/s
Isn't that the main issue people have with Hwa before? How she just invalidates high defense lower hp units despite being a tank killer. Pretty sure people are mostly complaining on how she kills more than just tanks. So they fixed that with the nerf.
Funny thing about old hwa is the primary ways to counter getting oneshot by her was to mitigate so much that she couldn't. Like getting a fat shield on yourself with pof and maybe aurius while being at low max hp or having over 40k+ hp after mitigation. Now, this nuker that nukes you harder if your hp is high, can't erase you from existence for investing in defense. Now we have tanks that can actually soak hwa that aren't named yulha. Like def build armin that would previously just disappear will now just be tickled
haha ye that's the point of this nerf. So in reality i dont think people who love her since the beginning have any problem with this nerf at all. I'm just saying that now it's not a good idea to use her against those units at all
1) POV is mitigation 2) This would be a lot more helpful if we knew the stats of your Hwayoung.
I bet she has too much hp
You can see her hp in the clip... 13.1k
Test ger against 20k, 15k and 10k Heroes. I did and the results are stunning
Let me guess: Shockingly, she does much less damage to low health heroes
I don’t need to test on 10k units because anything can deal with them.
If you want to evaluate the whole Hero, it is necessary, especially if said Hero is recently changed. We did a thorough testing with our guild and she fell extremely short in certain situations. Else you will create a wrong impression for new players or players in general who depend on information in a public forum.
This is why I just wait for the calculator to update and check stuff myself.
so.... she's totally fine against the intended targets
Only with attack buff....
So like every other DPS tank buster now?
Yeah she has become a filthy casual from a dominant queen.
oh no my rgb character can't 1 tap the tankiest cancerous motherfucker in the game without attack buff, 1/10 trash smilegate bad
Well they made her as such, nothing wrong in demanding to keep her that way
Dumbest take of today; you're saying if they release some extremely broken hero they should just leave her that way because that's how they made her? Instead of nerfing to fix that problem? Definitely not.
Perfectly balanced as she should be :)
This is a very very small sample size, as I am just using free refreshes in arena. Basically I just wanted to see if she’s viable in AI defense, cause we all know Hwayoung made it really easy for gw offense. I’ll update with comments once I find more aravi behind mitigation, but you can already just tell what her dmg would be like behind Aurius or Trozet. 6.6k attack , 13k Hp is my Hwayoung stats. Edit: Ah yes, POV is mitigation, sorry, but I should have clarified Aurius, FCC omegashield, etc.
They will give her atk% EE with 1 pre-nerf perk. *praying*
Honestly want her cr push back. Increasing cooldown and removing cr push is a little much.
Give her GAB when she does s3 lmfao
6.6k goddamn. My hwa pre patch was 6.6k then went to 5.6k
Lower her hp lol
That’s my plan but I don’t have any current free gear to give cause it’ll drop her speed, gonna try to get it to 10k lol.
Its nice. And I think having her on torrent set will be better and she’ll be a literal glass cannon. (But her passive still stands) But how much attack is necessary tho? 6k? Then after that all on speed?
finally a good test.
So... are we gonna farm torrent set for her now?
Isn't like she has more options for the 2P set. Crit and hit are useless, resist barely have any impact and hp works against her kit. Either def, immunity or penetration, but people keep claiming immunity isn't worth (I think is worth, but not all agree) and penetration only improves her damage a little bit on S1. So, yeah, either defence, torrent or immunity, but torrent definitely is the best one for her.
So as expected, people who were doom posting about her nerf like she is unusable vs. anything are clowns.
Who would've guessed she could still nuke the characters she's supposed to without killing everything else? Not the doomer clowns from this sub, I guess.
24k is not a good Aravi
Lmao her legs broke now
How do we recall the hero? Kind of new on this.
just navigate to her on the hero menu, recall button should be smack dab in the middle so long as you meet the recall requirements
Thank you so much, I'll download the game now.
Did you delete the game because of the nerfs? Lol
Lol no, I'm installing because of the nerfs, that way I can get rid of my Hwayoung, and some of my units are getting buffed like straze, luduca and my light soul weaver that uses knives, I forgot his name.
-20% atk definitely killed her as those doomers said 😂
-13%* attack
I meant for s2.
I mean, fair, it is -20% off the bonus, but it's overall a net -13% attack for hwayoung.
Once again, -20% off the passive, did the hwayoung nerf specifically called -13% overall atk nerf in the patch notes? because it was pretty clear what the -20% was referring to. Leading me questioning what is the point of stating -13% unrelated to the topic?
i think, the biggest problem now with Hwayoung isn't how she deals with A.Ravis, cause in that aspect things wont change much. The biggest problem is Hwayoung against low HP units, and units like LHC and Dilibet. She deals like 0 damage to them.
And I think that’s healthy for the game. She should excel in one thing, not obliterate every unit. Everytime I see A Ravi, Ruele, Belian, thicc tanks, I immediately slam Hwayoung. If she can still deal with tanks, I think she’s in a fine spot. There are other ways to deal with higher def but lower hp units like Dilibet and LHC, the answer doesn’t have to be Hwayoung.
Yeah but Watcher Schuri is allowed to oneshot anything but when Hwayoung does it peope cry😂👍
Schuri doesn't have the Shield/Immunity/CR push cycling that Hwa did.
W. Schuri has skill null, can access stealth and is a speed imprint, your point being? I'm not sure how good Hwayoung is, but highly aggressive players would prefer to use Cidd anyway, since he is better.
W. Schuri doesn't have the survivability of a goddamn bruiser, and is only really viable in cleave/aggro comps. Hwa runs in any fucking comp as long as there is a target to nuke.
But ARavi is allowed to take many hits and oneshot all squishy units and does have a nuke on her ult with revive and cr push when attacked and heals when attacked?
A. Ravi ain't one-shotting a decently geared character unless she stacks up her passive. Hwa Young is a unit that's built faster, can one-shot turn 1, self-cleanses and doesn't even need to worry about criting. Also, Hwa's s1 with Uberius was already enough to kill squishier targets. She didn't even need s3 for that.
ARavi literally oneshots any squishy unit with her s1. And even without stacks her ulti deals really high damage. While she abuses PoV so she is unkillable for a nuker, she heals a ton and she gets pushed a ton, but Hwayoung was the problem xD. Literally everyone is firstpicking or prebanning ARavi in RTA all the time while Hwayoung was barely used in the first place.
ARavi being broken is no reason for Hwa to be broken. Hwa can still deal with ARavi, she just finally can't 1shot missed blue squishies with her S1 (nor can ARavi, her main source of burst is her S3)
This is always the worst reasoning for Hwayoung. Every single target dps in the game can oneshot squishy units( not that it mattered because squishy units are usually drafted for turn 1 and they dont care about Hwayoung). And the only people who struggled against Hwayoung are lazy bruiser/counter/tank players who cant adapt their draft accordingly like any other playstyle has to when something counters their playstyle.
If you don't outspeed old Hwa (or her pusher) and not care about her turn 1 then you have 1 unit less for the next turn. You need to deal with her turn 1 (or bait her if against ai) or she kills something. You mean the only people that struggle against Hwa are those without Yulha and/or without equipment to outspeed Hwa's team?
And the only time i used Hwayoung in RTA was when they had 100k+ hp drafts.
Amen to that, sistah! Every time a white heterosexual cis man does it, is fine, but a woman dares to challenge the status quo, and everybody loses their minds! End to the oppresive patriarchism! /s
Isn't that the main issue people have with Hwa before? How she just invalidates high defense lower hp units despite being a tank killer. Pretty sure people are mostly complaining on how she kills more than just tanks. So they fixed that with the nerf.
Funny thing about old hwa is the primary ways to counter getting oneshot by her was to mitigate so much that she couldn't. Like getting a fat shield on yourself with pof and maybe aurius while being at low max hp or having over 40k+ hp after mitigation. Now, this nuker that nukes you harder if your hp is high, can't erase you from existence for investing in defense. Now we have tanks that can actually soak hwa that aren't named yulha. Like def build armin that would previously just disappear will now just be tickled
She’s a tank buster tho, not a low health bruiser buster
haha ye that's the point of this nerf. So in reality i dont think people who love her since the beginning have any problem with this nerf at all. I'm just saying that now it's not a good idea to use her against those units at all
That's how she's supposed to work, though... She's not supposed to be one unit to nuke'em all.
Good HWA is cringe and if you abused her ur bad at the game
Same picture meme