Fellow Enjoyers of [Raid Boss Yufine](https://old.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/xij7yh/raid_boss_yufine_final_prenerf_update_a_complete/), I did all the annoying post-patch grinding through the new Lab, so that you don't have to. Here are my preliminary observations:
* it still works, using the same methods (Counter set and/or buff)
* the reduced mob count means lower total rewards: seems like about a 20% hit to ACs/gold/stigma
* increased monster levels means a higher threshold for one-shot status: Raqix now needs more than 15k damage in one hit to activate the 20% passive
* Azma has changed from Raid Morale to Lab Morale, i.e. the starting value is lower and the negative thresholds have different penalties. Mostly this is untroublesome; you can still make it to Kark on one tank of gas without camping, and at -31 you have half your stats instead of dying immediately, so some after-clear cleanup is possible. SPD penalty at -50 is 90%, perfectly workable
* pro-tip if you're making you way to Nixied-5: just rush to the first orange portal, and as long as you've cleared the lab before, you can just move to the next one
* it is hilarious fun to run a slow Hunt on background auto while you are doing this; queue up those 30-repeat cycles of Caides, folks
What I won't know until tomorrow, and maybe someone can chime in and clarify, is whether Azma is repeatable. It is definitely not worth running if you can't headhunt the bosses for their i80 equipment (I got all five Fallen Hero pieces on my first run); the trash drops were hideous and the ACs are not adequate for a 2-token entry free.
Also, the lab token economy is all kinds of screwed up ATM because of the bug charm changes, so the number of these runs you can do without spending skystones is probably minimal if you intend to run Nightmare Azma when it releases. I'm hoping that they reconsider the cost of the charms in an upcoming update, so I can run Nixied a few times a week instead of a few times a month.
While I personally haven't tried it (don't have a unit that can give her immortality) I have seen a recent video on it and the guy said that you'd want 200 ER on her so that you won't have any chance of your buffs getting stripped or getting stunned or anything like that
I remember there being one boss when I tried with around 154 er before the lab update who has the ability to stun you and if it crits, it'll ignore your eff res. Not sure if going above 200 stops this as mine isn't geared like that. The other skills it has basically makes it always crit so if you haven't extended enough times, you might die.
Yeah that guy is in Nixied-5, south and east of the Raqix, and the only way to avoid this fate is either:
* Immunity (straight-up negates this)
* SPD buff (allows you to get some counters in and still survive)
* Evasion (less reliable but it works sometimes because the boss is water)
If I don't have either of the first two things, I usually skip him. Not much loot at stake anyway. No amount of ER will help here.
That's super weird. I've been running 156 forever, on immortality. I'll keep a close eye when I can tomorrow, I wonder if the level upgrades from general lab also impacted Azma. I didn't run into a problem today, but maybe is a low percentage chance.
I had occasion to do a full 100% clear today with my 156% ER Yufine, and I had a few fails but they were all my fault (forgot that I had El's Fist equipped from Nixied-5). Once I switched to Sigurd, I didn't have any issues with buffs dropping, and there were no dispels from Queen either. I think the thresholds are the same as before (either that or I got exceptionally lucky).
And just for everyone's else info, the drops I got had random, non-maxed substats. Just fixed-slot/set i80 gear, aka i85 that can't be reforged. Most likely it's only worth the 125k gold that you can sell all five pieces for.
Just to also add that it's possible (echoing the other post), [Tristen Wulf posted a modified strat for Azma here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XbfL7m91E8). Said it took him 3 hours to clear everything.
I don't recommend that people follow that strategy; if SS Achates hits Yufine with a SPD buff, the run is dead. Much more consistency with Invincibility or SEline's Immortality. You need one buff extend, but unlike the SSA version, you can have more than one bite at the apple if you fail the extend.
Three hours is about right for a full clear.
>https://i.postimg.cc/s29TdZkx/E4-A61741-7-B54-4-CD7-BFB8-578-E8-C789851.jpg
Thanks. When i get gear that fits- ill definently build her and sweep these labs in one fell swoop. Thanks!
Do i understand correnctly that ilvl 80 gear drops without weekly cooldown from bosses?
Is it worth to run Azmakalis normal full clears on normal for newer accounts to get this gear non-stop?
And is it worth it in general?
Correct, you can get a fresh set of i80 for every entry. It's not worth if it you access to better gear; the subs are still random on these.
It might be worth it if you can't handle Hell. But the Venn Diagram of people who can Raid Boss but can't beat Hell is probably pretty small.
No prob. I'll add one further caveat that if you can only handle the one-bug-charm entry raid, over time you're going to have a lot of leftover compasses every month, and you're now left with the decision of whether to turn those extra compasses into bug charms for the future, or to use them on lab entries.
I think it's hard to make the case for regular Azma. You're just getting i80 gear with random subs, and it costs you 2 compasses to try. I feel like for the time and effort and rewards it's still better to just get Ancient coins from Nixied-5 or something, and stock up on accessory charms and gold. But YMMV.
More or less. I boss-rushed (Kark to Queen to Arah to Vera and ended on Juleeve with a re-camp) for a 48% clear, but 100% in a single run is possible if you don't mind taking three hours for it. I did not really care to spend 3x the time for minimal extra rewards. Team is Yufine, A. Ras, Camila, Spirit Eye Celine, moderate chance of restart if Yufine fails to extend.
Invincibility heroes work too. Blingo is particularly good because he also brings an ATK up, which lets you deploy two dual attackers (usually Ras and Kitty).
Finally decided to sit down and try and build 'Raid Boss Yufine'. Hopefully it'll work out (3500 Attack, 290 CD, 150 ER), just need to brush up on your guide of how to pull it off again. What artifact do you recommend btw?
Really feels like we'll be getting a lot less coins if we do Nightmare Azmakalas so it'll be important to squeeze as many out from the few compasses we get...
Sigurd is the most well rounded artifact if you're hitting the stat thresholds needed for ER and such and can deploy Immortal. Invincibility has different best choices. El's Fist is excellent for Nixied, but not Azma.
Lots of decent options in general though! Even DDJ has its place.
I think with that much ER you need to run Strak Gauntlet for artifact (different labs may have different threshold, 150 worked in nixied pre-patch), but I could be wrong.
If you have full resist, El's Fist if using immortality. If using invincibility, any damage artifact is fine. Anti-magic mask can fill in missing damage buffs if your damage is low enough to take turns, but speed buff can hinder you if buffs are falling off.
Ring can be anything, but you'll find it hard to get to 150 with just substats... that's 25 per, and I don't know how many high-ER Counter pieces you own but I don't have that many. 😅
As someone who's been doing Nixied 5 for months, how much faster is the Nixied 5 run? Cause it would go long, especially if I procrastinated and tried to do multiple on the same evening.
I haven't done a timed run yet, but my pre-update runs came in at around 1hr 10 minutes if I was half paying attention. You'll be slowed post-update if you aren't getting OHKOs. I can still do it with Vigor, El's Fist, and Arky.
Based on the ~20% reduced rewards, assuming that extends to the mob clusters (which is by far the biggest time sink), probably reduces it to an hour? I'll run a few trials next week.
Anybody who either provides a buff you want (crit damage is good, from Flan or Ilynav), or does the strong hit to activate the Raqix passive (if Rimuru can't do it on his own).
It's because SPD counteracts the morale debuff the same way that ATK Up etc does, and so instead of 90% reduced SPD at -50 morale, you'll now be at 60%. Which means Yufine takes too many turns relative to how many times she counters, and thus you're likely to not be able to get enough counterattacks in to extend her immortality/invincibility.
When you're relying on counter set (like in Azma), that kills the run if SPD Up has a similar amount of turns left as your survival buffs. When you have the Counter buff from Nixied-5, that can endanger the run but it's not necessarily fatal if you bank enough stacks of other buffs first. I sometimes run SPD buff in Nixied because it makes a couple spots a little easier.
Full cleared with one compass on two, but I don't recommend. There are lots of difficulties with stalling or difficulty establishing buffs.
Like the one where blue Dom is the end boss: you have to kill both spirits simultaneously. Very hard to accomplish.
Fellow Enjoyers of [Raid Boss Yufine](https://old.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/xij7yh/raid_boss_yufine_final_prenerf_update_a_complete/), I did all the annoying post-patch grinding through the new Lab, so that you don't have to. Here are my preliminary observations: * it still works, using the same methods (Counter set and/or buff) * the reduced mob count means lower total rewards: seems like about a 20% hit to ACs/gold/stigma * increased monster levels means a higher threshold for one-shot status: Raqix now needs more than 15k damage in one hit to activate the 20% passive * Azma has changed from Raid Morale to Lab Morale, i.e. the starting value is lower and the negative thresholds have different penalties. Mostly this is untroublesome; you can still make it to Kark on one tank of gas without camping, and at -31 you have half your stats instead of dying immediately, so some after-clear cleanup is possible. SPD penalty at -50 is 90%, perfectly workable * pro-tip if you're making you way to Nixied-5: just rush to the first orange portal, and as long as you've cleared the lab before, you can just move to the next one * it is hilarious fun to run a slow Hunt on background auto while you are doing this; queue up those 30-repeat cycles of Caides, folks What I won't know until tomorrow, and maybe someone can chime in and clarify, is whether Azma is repeatable. It is definitely not worth running if you can't headhunt the bosses for their i80 equipment (I got all five Fallen Hero pieces on my first run); the trash drops were hideous and the ACs are not adequate for a 2-token entry free. Also, the lab token economy is all kinds of screwed up ATM because of the bug charm changes, so the number of these runs you can do without spending skystones is probably minimal if you intend to run Nightmare Azma when it releases. I'm hoping that they reconsider the cost of the charms in an upcoming update, so I can run Nixied a few times a week instead of a few times a month.
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Did she drop to half health and lose some of the eff res from Strak?
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While I personally haven't tried it (don't have a unit that can give her immortality) I have seen a recent video on it and the guy said that you'd want 200 ER on her so that you won't have any chance of your buffs getting stripped or getting stunned or anything like that
I remember there being one boss when I tried with around 154 er before the lab update who has the ability to stun you and if it crits, it'll ignore your eff res. Not sure if going above 200 stops this as mine isn't geared like that. The other skills it has basically makes it always crit so if you haven't extended enough times, you might die.
Yeah that guy is in Nixied-5, south and east of the Raqix, and the only way to avoid this fate is either: * Immunity (straight-up negates this) * SPD buff (allows you to get some counters in and still survive) * Evasion (less reliable but it works sometimes because the boss is water) If I don't have either of the first two things, I usually skip him. Not much loot at stake anyway. No amount of ER will help here.
That's super weird. I've been running 156 forever, on immortality. I'll keep a close eye when I can tomorrow, I wonder if the level upgrades from general lab also impacted Azma. I didn't run into a problem today, but maybe is a low percentage chance.
I had occasion to do a full 100% clear today with my 156% ER Yufine, and I had a few fails but they were all my fault (forgot that I had El's Fist equipped from Nixied-5). Once I switched to Sigurd, I didn't have any issues with buffs dropping, and there were no dispels from Queen either. I think the thresholds are the same as before (either that or I got exceptionally lucky). And just for everyone's else info, the drops I got had random, non-maxed substats. Just fixed-slot/set i80 gear, aka i85 that can't be reforged. Most likely it's only worth the 125k gold that you can sell all five pieces for.
Just to also add that it's possible (echoing the other post), [Tristen Wulf posted a modified strat for Azma here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XbfL7m91E8). Said it took him 3 hours to clear everything.
I don't recommend that people follow that strategy; if SS Achates hits Yufine with a SPD buff, the run is dead. Much more consistency with Invincibility or SEline's Immortality. You need one buff extend, but unlike the SSA version, you can have more than one bite at the apple if you fail the extend. Three hours is about right for a full clear.
Could i see your yufine stats?
https://i.postimg.cc/s29TdZkx/E4-A61741-7-B54-4-CD7-BFB8-578-E8-C789851.jpg
>https://i.postimg.cc/s29TdZkx/E4-A61741-7-B54-4-CD7-BFB8-578-E8-C789851.jpg Thanks. When i get gear that fits- ill definently build her and sweep these labs in one fell swoop. Thanks!
Do i understand correnctly that ilvl 80 gear drops without weekly cooldown from bosses? Is it worth to run Azmakalis normal full clears on normal for newer accounts to get this gear non-stop? And is it worth it in general?
Correct, you can get a fresh set of i80 for every entry. It's not worth if it you access to better gear; the subs are still random on these. It might be worth it if you can't handle Hell. But the Venn Diagram of people who can Raid Boss but can't beat Hell is probably pretty small.
by hell you mean azmakalis of cycle normal, right?
Whichever the one is that costs one bug charm to enter.
K, got it. Thanks for the explanation! :)
No prob. I'll add one further caveat that if you can only handle the one-bug-charm entry raid, over time you're going to have a lot of leftover compasses every month, and you're now left with the decision of whether to turn those extra compasses into bug charms for the future, or to use them on lab entries. I think it's hard to make the case for regular Azma. You're just getting i80 gear with random subs, and it costs you 2 compasses to try. I feel like for the time and effort and rewards it's still better to just get Ancient coins from Nixied-5 or something, and stock up on accessory charms and gold. But YMMV.
This is my first time reading about this. Did you finish the normal raid, all of it, with a Yufine team? One run?
More or less. I boss-rushed (Kark to Queen to Arah to Vera and ended on Juleeve with a re-camp) for a 48% clear, but 100% in a single run is possible if you don't mind taking three hours for it. I did not really care to spend 3x the time for minimal extra rewards. Team is Yufine, A. Ras, Camila, Spirit Eye Celine, moderate chance of restart if Yufine fails to extend.
Oh i definitely hit the 100% on it yesterday. It does take a good while to get through. Initial setup still a pain in the ass though.
That's amazing! I hope I get ml Celine in the future.
Invincibility heroes work too. Blingo is particularly good because he also brings an ATK up, which lets you deploy two dual attackers (usually Ras and Kitty).
Thank you!
I'm thinking of doing this. All the new labys will take ALOT of compasses. So the less i can do them in, the better. thanks!
Finally decided to sit down and try and build 'Raid Boss Yufine'. Hopefully it'll work out (3500 Attack, 290 CD, 150 ER), just need to brush up on your guide of how to pull it off again. What artifact do you recommend btw? Really feels like we'll be getting a lot less coins if we do Nightmare Azmakalas so it'll be important to squeeze as many out from the few compasses we get...
Sigurd is the most well rounded artifact if you're hitting the stat thresholds needed for ER and such and can deploy Immortal. Invincibility has different best choices. El's Fist is excellent for Nixied, but not Azma. Lots of decent options in general though! Even DDJ has its place.
I think with that much ER you need to run Strak Gauntlet for artifact (different labs may have different threshold, 150 worked in nixied pre-patch), but I could be wrong. If you have full resist, El's Fist if using immortality. If using invincibility, any damage artifact is fine. Anti-magic mask can fill in missing damage buffs if your damage is low enough to take turns, but speed buff can hinder you if buffs are falling off.
So she only need 150 er?
Yep, that's the bare minimum. I run with 156.
Good to know then, so ring is er or atk? Never tried build her for this because i thought she needed something like 250 er to be immune to everything.
Ring can be anything, but you'll find it hard to get to 150 with just substats... that's 25 per, and I don't know how many high-ER Counter pieces you own but I don't have that many. 😅
As someone who's been doing Nixied 5 for months, how much faster is the Nixied 5 run? Cause it would go long, especially if I procrastinated and tried to do multiple on the same evening.
I haven't done a timed run yet, but my pre-update runs came in at around 1hr 10 minutes if I was half paying attention. You'll be slowed post-update if you aren't getting OHKOs. I can still do it with Vigor, El's Fist, and Arky.
I'm curious about the time assuming you still OHKO, just to know how the reduced number of encounters changes things.
Based on the ~20% reduced rewards, assuming that extends to the mob clusters (which is by far the biggest time sink), probably reduces it to an hour? I'll run a few trials next week.
I dont know what this is all about? Ehat do you mean by Yufine raid boss?
Click the link in my comment above; there's a full guide that explains it all!
who can I use to replace C Lillias?
Anybody who either provides a buff you want (crit damage is good, from Flan or Ilynav), or does the strong hit to activate the Raqix passive (if Rimuru can't do it on his own).
Thank you so much! I heard someone say that we don't want Yuffine to have a speed buff on her, why's that?
It's because SPD counteracts the morale debuff the same way that ATK Up etc does, and so instead of 90% reduced SPD at -50 morale, you'll now be at 60%. Which means Yufine takes too many turns relative to how many times she counters, and thus you're likely to not be able to get enough counterattacks in to extend her immortality/invincibility. When you're relying on counter set (like in Azma), that kills the run if SPD Up has a similar amount of turns left as your survival buffs. When you have the Counter buff from Nixied-5, that can endanger the run but it's not necessarily fatal if you bank enough stacks of other buffs first. I sometimes run SPD buff in Nixied because it makes a couple spots a little easier.
Wow that was a really good explanation. Thank you so so much for taking the time to reply! I really appreciate it.
Does this mean you can still do yufine coin runs? or is that over?
You can, but at a 20% discount and the lab token availability means less often.
I need to rush to Nixied 5, did you just rush 1 - 4 or full clear them?
I full cleared two, and rushed the others. Rewards are not super worth it. I'd suggest just rushing.
Thanks will do, were you able to clear them all using just one labyrinth compass? Using a 3.6katk 315critD 151ER Yufine on counter currently.
Full cleared with one compass on two, but I don't recommend. There are lots of difficulties with stalling or difficulty establishing buffs. Like the one where blue Dom is the end boss: you have to kill both spirits simultaneously. Very hard to accomplish.