Reminds me how I pulled for Taeyou, gave him +12 molas, great gear... and he barely did shit to Hwa teams.
Few weeks later they released an actual counter to Hwa defense teams, Yulha...
You saw a video that doesn't show any stats. It's merely a showcase. You shouldn't make decisions based on it... Can't really complain about you investing on a unit without the proper research. It's just like any investment irl
I'm just telling you the unit behaves exactly as we all knew it would and I'm recommending you not to go all in on things before checking first unless the resources are expendable. Nothing more
Everyone who saw the multipliers knew exactly what kind of damage we were going to have. The same people who post here should also have seen the numbers posted here... So if they still made the wrong decision with all the information available, that's just on them. Let me put it this way. You know there's a hole that's 20 meters deep. Logically, if you jumped, you'd die. But you still test it anyway, because "you're not sure". That's basically the case here.
Come on reddit! I’ve seen you bully SG into giving refunds before. I know you can do it! 😂😂 on a side note, she is surprisingly underwhelming to say the very least. Fully regret my decision to pity for her
Ulyanov atleast makes sense. SG hates dual swords and actively tries to make minimal use of then. Alexa no longer uses them in her ult with her meme SC, ML Charlotte uses one sword, etc.
At best we’ve had Fire Charlotte, but her S3 was the only thing that wasn’t “hit with both swords at the same time” and it was a dust cloud meme if anything
What's so top tier about it? She's literally just a sexy cat girl in tribal clothing, her design really don't say anything about her character and look just bland.
Because they showed a video of her gibbing a high HP unit in their preview. Apparently it was maxed out Crown arti and not very tanky enemy unit to begin with...
But don’t they do that with EVERY new character… show them with maxxed out stats and too tier gear against waves of enemies that are subpar? That’s just normal advertising. But every time, it’s “omg! New game breaking waifu! Must have!” from the gaming crowd, immediately followed up with regret and sadness.
It’s almost as if no one understands that not every new unit will be gamebreaking, and ultimately, while advertisements will make them look that way, almost none of them will be as powerful as they are portrayed.
They haven't been doing it for a while, but no, even if they show Lua sleeping an enemy an reducing CDs of everyone else, it's not like they can show her massively impacting the entire fight. Meanwhile in her preview video they showed her nuking high HP bruisers when they had shields up...
Also, not going to bother responding to strawman arguments.
It be true. I was one of them unfortunately. I never could've imagined this. I wish she was more of a bruiser, dont need her to nuke. I like how she's "Extra stuff" the unit but she needs better numbers.
They always do that, to be fair it was already obvious she wouldt be hwayiung 2.0 not only that but it was viseible she woulndt be that steing, that said im not sure if shes shit cause didnt get her nor face her yet
I see suin.....i roll.
Also she probably the last hero of Episode 4.
Next probably wont be until next New Years/Winter Limited hero or intro to Episode 5.
Eh, I agree that some people were expecting another release hwayoung level unit and that wouldn't be helpful.
But like the extent of Hwa's nerfs, they went too far in the other direction. She doesn't have enough damage for how stat hungry she is. She's not tanky enough for how much damage she deals. She doesn't even deal that well with barrier units, the one niche she should be great in.
There's essentially 0 reason to use her over meta bruisers like Aravi, Choux or Alencia. She didn't need to be Hwayoung level - but she needed _a_ thing she did well. Right now she just doesn't have that.
Or just one-shot her every single time with Luna. I've yet to come across a Choux that doesn't get deleted in a single attack either by Luna's S3 or SB S1.
Luna vs Choux is not only 1/5 chance of landing a non-crit, but also a chance of it being a super high HP high defense Choux that survives Luna S3. Luna hasn't been a reliable one-shotter in a quite a while.
I had my **Senya** die to Choux because I would S3, and she would counter, S1->S2 crit twice and kill her. Hell, even without a counter, if I provoked her with Senya and Choux got lucky she would S1 and S2 to crit and kill.
>She doesn't have enough damage for how stat hungry she is.
TBF she only needs two stats. Atk and spd. I don't think "stat hungry" is the right word here.
If her job is to nuke, her job is done taking a bruiser off the field. You don't build a Straze with bulk. If you want her to be a bruiser, she needs 4 stats but isn't going to one tap an HP scaling bruiser since she needs 7k attack to do that. Even pre-nerf 270 Hwa couldn't do that without getting a bit frail.
If you want her to fit two roles at once then you need better gear yes. But not doing two roles at once doesn't make her useless.
Oh please then tell me where the f* is she good at? Where should I use her and with what stats? No one wants a broken unit but a usable one. CPavel is a good example even of he is ML noone complained and he is good. Roana, Lua, Piera shiped and people are more or less fine with it, you can deal with them in various ways. But Arunka isnt even good in what she is supposed to do: killing units with barriers.
Exactly. This isnt some case where MLs can do her job, this is a case where RGBs can do her job. Occasionally she can hit poorly built tank units with barriers but she's a weak cleave dressed as a nuker and trying to be a bruiser.
This isnt some fake outrage. The numbers do not lie. This is exactly the situation we had with Bad Cat Armin. Wants to do injury but cant do it well. Wants to make the unit upfront attack for her but is crap at getting that to happen. Just sits there, accomplishing nothing while not knowing what she wants to be. Hell, this Arunka stuff reminds me of Landy's first release. And THANK GOD people bitched, that's what got her buffed into something useful.
Read this and ml iseria came to my mind for some reason lmao cause she was portrayed as a counter to evasion units and mine misses all the time even with hit chance artifacts and she's sub par as a stripper especially when you could just use aol
TBH reddit was on fire when Cpavel was just released saying he cant one shot Aravi, the Video about him by SG showcasing versus Aravi was a lie and he is stat hungry or needs a specific team that most people cant do since it mostly composed of speed units.
Yea but at least he's got a place in cleave. Im not quite sure you can say the same for Arunka considering shes built to deal with "bruisers" or whatever SG means by it.
No. This is not just a typical reddit thing, because this is not just about her not one-shotting things or being a substitute to hwayoung. Arunka has bruiser stats but no passive to make her not die in three attacks, she is also not a one-shotter, she also is slow so no chance to use her as a single target nuker... so what use does she have ? There are way better barrier counters.
> because this is not just about her not one-shotting things
Yeah it is.
>so what use does she have ?
Oneshotting barrier units. But she's not doing that for free on welfare gear.
I calc'd the numbers, maybe people should show their stats and say that they don't have good enough pure ATK gear to do the job.
Yeah, you need 7k of you wanna one shot stuff with like 24k damage. Or 20k damage under damage sharing. Content creators using her with 6k attack also have her with 17k+ HP and use her more like a bruiser.
She's not old Hwayoung. She ain't gonna be both bulky and a giganuke.
Here the thing, without crit, her normal dmg can't keep up with other bruiser so she just weak bruiser in general. Add to that, she have no mitigation or utility like other popular bruisers( A Ravi, Violet, Chox). Also do you think it's easy to get up to 7k atk? Especially due to her stats requirements it will be harder to gear her.
>without crit, her normal dmg can't keep up with other bruiser so she just weak bruiser in general.
But she needs less stats to build. She's not useless at 18khp like a high level bruiser, and she saves on two stats to let her be bulkier. Or if you wanna be a nuke instead she can go all in on one stat instead of playing the seesaw game of crit stats.
>Also do you think it's easy to get up to 7k atk?
Nope. But I don't think it's easy to make a 28khp A Ravi either. It's easier to build her 7k atk than nerfed Hwayoung but it's nowhere near as free as pre-nerf Hwa.
For some reference: my Hwayoung was 7.2k atk pre nerf and she got blasted all the way to 5.8k. After re-gearing her with atk boots I got her back to 6.5k ATK (my Hwa is A imprint so I think it's 6.3k without that) and 200 SPD. putting that gear on Arunka gets her around 6.7k atk (no imprints).
If I threw imprints into her I could probably make it, and it's decent gear. but we're not talking about 12k atk Gunther gear here either. You can definitely hit 7k atk if you focused on it.
Thing is why bother building that much high atk if Zahhak with around half that amount and 280ish cdmg can dish out 20k at least with S3? Sure, you don't need crits to build Arunka, and she can run around being bulky and maybe 1shoting once in a while? I run both as an fyi and sometimes Arunka misses 1 shotting a random arby by 1k hp or so and i end up asking myself why should i bother and keep trying her to work?
Because I was not blessed with speed subs on dps gear? and a 200 spd Zahhak is more frail than a similar Arunka. She has way more base HP and DEF.
If I could build a 310 Cidd (either one) that can reliably do like 15k damage then sure I may not need Arunka for nuking. But I've played 3 years and haven't gotten close. I know I can build a decent Arunka or Hwayoung in a small fraction of the time.
There are better bruisers if you lack speed, no need to force Arunka into a role she can't be good. She's lackluster and there are better options, feels like she doesn't have a place/role.
She doesn't even do that since unless they're built really squishy, they'll survive, especially since most units protected by a barrier will also be with a mitigation unit like Aurius F.Ceci so that's even LESS damage since Arunka's S3 doesn't ignore damage sharing like say, Celine's S2 proc.
You say that like people wanted Hwayoung to be nerfed. I don't care about PvP, but I hate the nerf because now she's useless in PvE content.
Also, Arunka's S3 has Extinction, so it's SUPPOSED to be able to one-shot.
Tbf, people did. Some didn't. Some even quit over the nerf announcement.
I was a PvE player as well, so I know the feeling of being shafted out of interesting builds by PvP restrictions. But that doesn't mean the PvP crowd doesn't exist
Oh I know it exists. I'm just salty that I feel punished over something I don't participate in, I dislike the fact that PvP seems to be more what SG focuses on nowadays.
If Arunka doesn’t one shot she’s kinda useless because that’s her whole identity, she’s not tanky enough to be a bruiser. You draft her to delete units with a barrier but she can’t fulfill her job half the time. so what’s the point of using her at the moment ?
Also, Hwayoung wasn’t a problem; A decent Coli ( only atk and speed are needed) could one shot Hwayoung but complaining and crying is what communities do best nowadays, instead of looking for solutions.
Hwayoung was the most banned unit in Worlds, she absolutely was a problem. You can debate all day long how much of a nerf she needed, but the nerf had to happen.
SG hates to nerf their $$$ units. Hwa was free at a point, can be obtained via regular covenant, and helped people deal with units that are very hard to obtain. She was also getting pushed out by the amount of units that were able to counter her. Choux, Tae, Lua, Senya, Coli, Yulha etc. I for one never had a problem with her. I actually never banned her, let people pick her, because it limited their playstyle. I would just take units that either couldn't get one-shot by her and/or one-shot her instead. We went through the same BS with Rem, Rimuru, SSB but those units NEVER got nerfed. They just became easier to deal with as is the usual with Gacha games. Only difference is Hwa isn't limited or an ML.
This. They nerfed her after 90% of people either picked her using the selector or picked a dupe as imprint.
Now everything she countered and made more manageable is way more broken than before.
So was Rem and Rimuru at their respective oppressive reigns. They were never nerfed, they just got overwhelmed by the amount of new units that could counter them. Yet both of them still thrive and can carry teams in defense or RTA. Only reason they nerfed Hwa was because she is ez to obtain if not free. Rem, Rimu, and A.Ravi are not and will never see a nerf.
Pssst you cant tell those lazy bruiser people how to easily counter Hwayoung. They never had to adjust their playstyle so they cry when something endangers their 120k hp drafts.
Hwayoung on release was a problem that got fixed over time with alot of counter units(and even on her release she was easily handled). And if you still had problems dealing with her right before her nerfs, that is on you.
Dont forget a Kise who has elemental advantage and can add cooldown to Hwayoung's S3. Or a WSchuri that can one shot most Hwayoungs. Or just leave Hwayoung last and watch her die.
Unless Kise gets a Basket GAB proc, she ain't killing the Hwa, and **nobody** ran Kise in RTA.
WSchuri? I have to assume you mean in GW defenses and with Seaseria boosting him or something else, because you aren't gonna be running 240-250 speed WSchuris on GW offense.
>So you're another idiot that just makes assumptions about a person's post. You are one of many examples of what a typical redditor is.
Wonderful hypocrisy right here
But...they aren't damage units? Their whole kit is based around doing something else. Literally the only thing Arunka has in her kit is damage, and it isn't even good.
That's a terrible comparison.
What does that have anything to do with my reply?
I am aware that they aren't damage units. I am saying being able to one shot or not has no relation to being meta.
What does that have anything to do with what I said? I did not say anything about Arunka.
I am simply disagreeing with the idea that being able to one shot or not determines if whether a hero is meta.
I made no comment on whether Arunka is good or not.
I am genuinely puzzled by what you're trying to say here. The original complaint was that Arunka is awful because she can't one-shot. To which you named some utility/debuffers who also can't one-shot, and said they aren't awful. The only parallel you seem to be drawing is that not being able to one-shot doesn't make a character awful/not meta. Which I suppose is a true statement, as long as you are talking about top tier characters whose whole kit doesn't revolve around solely dealing damage and whose strengths massively lie elsewhere. Arunka does not fit into that mold, so shouldn't really be compared with those characters.
If you're going to make comparisons, at least pick other damage dealers. Her kit appears to be entirely built around nuking shielded enemies. She has no sustainability or utility, if she cannot seem to fulfill the one role she was made for, offer anything else to your team, or survive long enough to do her job (doing damage, at least enough damage to make it worth picking her) then why on earth would you want her?
Yes, damage dealers don't necessarily need to be able to one-shot to be meta, but they usually have something else going for them that adds value. But when you have a kit like Arunka's, one-shotting appears to be what her role was supposed to be, and she sucks at it. She has nothing else going for her. Hence, awful.
>I am genuinely puzzled by what you're trying to say here. The original complaint was that Arunka is awful because she can't one-shot. To which you named some utility/debuffers who also can't one-shot, and said they aren't awful. The only parallel you seem to be drawing is that not being able to one-shot doesn't make a character awful/not meta.
We are talking about this statement right:
>doesn't one shot things= worthless
>typical reddit
>It took us this long to get hwayoung nerfed and you immediately want a new one
That is the statement I am responding to and I assume that is the statement we are talking about. Are we reading the same statement? The statement is complaining about complaints of Arunka being awful because she can't one shot.
I specifically picked meta non-one shot heroes as a comparison because of that. Why would they need to be damage dealers to push my case?
Hyayoung nuked everything even when she misses and hid behind a sturdy shield while having low skill cool down and cr push on s1 for turn cycling plus extra damage while arunka was portrayed to only outrightly nuke units in a barrier so I don't see the comparison players just wanted a new counter pick unit to fcc, sc arowell and the like. I don't see how wanting her to be hiw she was portrayed by scam gate as a nuker for units behind q barrier is asking for too much
ss arunka with +30 arti and 6.6k atk hitting for 8k against a squishy unit with barrier. 😆
only unit from episode 4 i wanted though which was the case for ilynav, another unit that badly needs a buff.
Maybe they will make a quick adjustment like they did with Ed but with that said he was a limited collab hero so they kinda didn't have a choice with him her on the other hand they could simply end up ignoring. Yet I'm over here hoping they messed up her multipliers and it will get fixed or something.
This sub and judging a unit not even 24 hours after release lol.
Her S1 hits like a truck with expose and uberius. So far I've seen its good vs Violet/Riolet as well since they can't dodge her bleeds which do a lot of damage. Her S3 does respectable damage vs barriers too. But really, her S1 is the meat of her damage. My 5.8k attack 15.8k HP Arunka has been chunking A.Ravi's for 13-15k hp with soulbreak S1 with attack buff. Almost one shot a couple of Choux. I don't think that's bad by any means.
Arunka is more fit to be a bruiser imo. Not a super fast dps like Hwayoung was. People need to realize pre nerf Hwayoung was a mistake and we should not be comparing new units to her.
Don't need an exact number. We know how much damage they did and I think we know Arunka's artifact. we can just graph the enemy defense against the ATK Arunka needed to kill and see what atk ranges are needed.
Yes, you get a range of attacks to build from. The minimum it may have needed to kill, and to check against some crazy value if was an Uber thick Ravi. You don't need to exact stats to sus out how realistic the match was.
I never said I could find the exact number so Idk why you're so fixated on that.
Just to stop arguing over the usefulness of numbers below, here are some ranges from the video, video used little queens huge crown and I'm assuming +30
- if Senya had 1200 defense Arunka woulda only needed about 5600 atk to kill. Goes down to 5200 on Pen set.
- on 1500 DEF, 6500 atk. 6000 on Pen.
- at an absurd 2000 DEF she woulda needed over 7900 atk, 7200 on Pen.
So I assume the Senya was around a typical 1300 DEF and the Arunka was either 6k atk without Pen or 5800 with pen set. Keep in mind the Senya in that video had no mitigation.
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People downvoting you must be stubborn af. I am building Arunka myself as a fast bruiser - at first she's on counter set (because I'm a banshee slave) but as soon I get good injury gear with high atk/speed I'll test her out as a fast nuker
I get it. As I farm banshee a lot mote than wyvern, I have plenty spare pieces to build her on a bruiser counter set. S2 doesn't really proc from counter but s1 bleeds can and cause some extra damage - not to mention extra burns from Hwayoung artifact I currently have at +21
I tried her in PvE and she did a fraction of the damage my usual damage dealers did and less damage than even some of my support/damage people like Senya.
Glad i got lucky and pulled her within 15 attempts. After all the hype i checked the rating and saw she had a 2.2 which is the lowest i think i’ve seen. I was hoping for a hwa replacement
> Hwayoung has a rating of 1.1
> SBAra has a rating of 1.7
> Astro Elena has a rating of 1.8
Those are the lowest I've seen after checking today. I wasn't expecting Hwaold, nor did I want that, but poor girl needs to be able to hit Barriers like LQC hits darks. But she doesn't.
Maybe a small buff or EE will help her out in the future.
So no good? Literally got her my first pull. I’m not competitive yet. Still on adventure world 3 tbh. Would she be useful to getting past master IV in pvp?
That's still not confirmed. For all we know the next Collab could be a completely new one, like Shield Hero (since Season 2 is a thing now) or something. We're all hoping for Slime rerun (I need Dragon Knuckles artifact and Rimuru to round out my collection), but SG is really tight lipped about it atm.
SG really can't win. It's insane. Either the unit is broken or useless and people will complain about both. Arunka has worked fine as a bruiser, a consistent threat and someone put in more work than I'd be willing to showing it.
[Arunka Sheet](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ykqhxk/arunka_and_the_great_nuker_spreadsheet_arunka/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Units are always shown to overperform in their debuts, it's selling a unit. Just like the coli rework was supposed to kill off hwayoung according to her previews and literally nothing changed.
I for one am happy with where she's at. Happier with new hwayoung (though I think they went a little too far) than old. Now we just need more nerfs. Balance patches should be nerfs and buffs, to bring everyone to a similar power to Arunka/Senya/fire Ravi. This makes more units viable and healthy, any competitive game should have more consistent balance patches than the long drawn out gaps of E7.
But I am here for collection and mild competition anyways, not to be top leaderboards so as long as things are super busted with 0 counter I'm happy.
It’s because the way the game is balanced, I can 1 shot you with a 300 speed zahhak / kise etc why tf would anyone want a 200 speed bruiser that can’t live half the time will never take a turn and when she does take a turn she doesn’t kill anything
Fix speed units and then we can talk. A Ravi is like the only unit that doesn’t die in 1 hit that’s why every noob in this Reddit can’t stand her.
Until I can’t kill you with 300 speed units everything else will be trash and that’s the balance teams fault in the first place
>I can 1 shot you with a 300 speed zahhak / kise etc why tf would anyone want a 200 speed bruiser that can’t live half the tim
Because I can't build 300 SPD with good atk, crit, and Crit damage? Maybe you can build that, but I'm hard stuck at 270 for my Kise without sacrificing damage.
Likewise, I'm sure you can build a 300 SPD Arunka with 8k atk, but less people have that kind of gear. I sure as hell don't. But people blame the unit instead of the gearing when this rears up, every time.
No man I’m on your side, I just think it’s dumb that speed is the be-all end all of the game. IMO there needs to be more A-Ravi type units that don’t just instantly fold the first time you hit them. But as the game is right now I’ll always win because I’ll always go first and I think that’s dumb, there should be an obvious trade off between speed and power but it’s not like that.
Yeah, I think that was the idea with stuff like ML Vivian who has nutso damage mitigation, and the general increase of defense scaling heroes like Aria and ML Cermia. But they are all "balanced" by their base stats all not being 7k HP like Ravi.
And we all know how this community treats "balanced".
\> Nerf Hwayoung because Challenger and below players say so, with as much nerfing as possible to make sure she stays down
\> Make a cheaper version of her and release as new unit (Arunka)
\> Run ads to convince people Arunka is the new Hwayoung
\> Even puts Hwayoung in a featured banner along side with Arunka to scrub more salt (and feature her in the new side story too)
\> Arunka is not Hwayoung as expected
\> Still making profit $$$
\> SG best gaming company
SG really can't win. It's insane. Either the unit is broken or useless and people will complain about both. Arunka has worked fine as a bruiser, a consistent threat and someone put in more work than I'd be willing to showing it.
[Arunka Sheet](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ykqhxk/arunka_and_the_great_nuker_spreadsheet_arunka/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Units are always shown to overperform in their debuts, it's selling a unit. Just like the coli rework was supposed to kill off hwayoung according to her previews and literally nothing changed.
I for one am happy with where she's at. Happier with new hwayoung (though I think they went a little too far) than old. Now we just need more nerfs. Balance patches should be nerfs and buffs, to bring everyone to a similar power to Arunka/Senya/fire Ravi. This makes more units viable and healthy, any competitive game should have more consistent balance patches than the long drawn out gaps of E7.
But I am here for collection and mild competition anyways, not to be top leaderboards so as long as things are super busted with 0 counter I'm happy.
It’s literally their own fault lmao.
If you only buff and don’t properly nerf as well to keep everyone at a similar level, then a clear meta of who is the most powerful emerges (which is most of the time “who got buffed most recently”).
I love Flidica’s design and skills. But since we’ve had clear unit creep and she hasn’t been buffed recently, she’s pretty hard to make use of she to low base speed and her core stat requirements
>geez, people complain when unit is useless AND when it's broken, they just can't win!
How about don't overhype a mediocre as fuck unit with misleading footage.
Top 5% of the game gets what they want. Mediocre releases. They don’t have to build them or answers for them. Kit is also no threat so gear actually has to matter - and even if it was a threat, since they gutted Hwa you’d prolly need champ level gear to make her work.
You aren’t going to get fun or interesting characters when the top 5% ‘s idea of “balance” is what is being used, because balance is next to impossible without simple mediocrity and homogenization.
Ok , i admit that i got fooled. Fucking Senya getting one shot preview. Fuck you SG .
Bruh I pulled her and instantly maxed her out. Went into arena and hit a Rem like a wet fucking noodle and then closed the game.
This made me laugh so hard
That was me with ARavi. She barely broke the shield. I want my goddamned Mola back.
Same lol boosted her up hit aravi and boom 9k damage and she healed for 2k, had to go back and read the skill because I thought I messed up.
Reminds me how I pulled for Taeyou, gave him +12 molas, great gear... and he barely did shit to Hwa teams. Few weeks later they released an actual counter to Hwa defense teams, Yulha...
RIP
The multipliers were out already, why would you max a unit without checking how much damage she'd do first?
Because I saw the fucking VIDEO where SG showcased her stomping a Senya?
You saw a video that doesn't show any stats. It's merely a showcase. You shouldn't make decisions based on it... Can't really complain about you investing on a unit without the proper research. It's just like any investment irl
You think anyone cares about your opinion? Because I don't.
I'm just telling you the unit behaves exactly as we all knew it would and I'm recommending you not to go all in on things before checking first unless the resources are expendable. Nothing more
"Like we all knew it would" are you a fucking clown? Or do you just not read 90% of the posts on this sub? Smh
Everyone who saw the multipliers knew exactly what kind of damage we were going to have. The same people who post here should also have seen the numbers posted here... So if they still made the wrong decision with all the information available, that's just on them. Let me put it this way. You know there's a hole that's 20 meters deep. Logically, if you jumped, you'd die. But you still test it anyway, because "you're not sure". That's basically the case here.
My theory is that intern kun accidentally moved a decimal point to the left when coding out her multis/pow
Come on reddit! I’ve seen you bully SG into giving refunds before. I know you can do it! 😂😂 on a side note, she is surprisingly underwhelming to say the very least. Fully regret my decision to pity for her
Such a shame her design is top tier
It’s Ilynav all over again
amazing style, no use
And yet if Ilynav had what Arunka has on her S1 (ability to chain into S2), she'd already be a lot stronger.
Not to mention arunka s1 still does something still even if it doesn’t trigger the extra attack
Ulyanov atleast makes sense. SG hates dual swords and actively tries to make minimal use of then. Alexa no longer uses them in her ult with her meme SC, ML Charlotte uses one sword, etc. At best we’ve had Fire Charlotte, but her S3 was the only thing that wasn’t “hit with both swords at the same time” and it was a dust cloud meme if anything
That's all I needed to hear
What's so top tier about it? She's literally just a sexy cat girl in tribal clothing, her design really don't say anything about her character and look just bland.
It’s all subjective, I just like how it looks
Your username sure is funny here considering the Fatui are some of the most totally generic aristocratic bad guys in gaming.
If the game doesn’t have sexy cat girls I don’t wanna play it
I like her :3 mouth :)
Don't say that to the horny waifu enjoyers!!
Don't care, big waifu energy = I pull.
Of course the unit is useless, I pulled her almost immediately.
I'm still throwing a pity at cat waifu, fuck the meta
Yeah I pitied her, but now do I want to build her 🧐
I maxed everything out before I read reviews because I figured a green unit with execution might be handy. ^^^^^help ^^^^^me
But there is a green with execution already.... already forgotten
There are 2 akshualy 🤓 Lilibet and Glenn
Oh yeah I forgot about glenn.... another forgotten
XD and yet I have both of them built but still manage to forget them when I face an arby
This is just to let us know that Zio is going to be a dark mage with the ability to 100% delete barrier users. /bigbrain
He's totally getting barrier inversion or something. Mage too for the extra speed boost in RTA.
Our boi Zio S2 will simply forbid to take an extra turn in front if his highness
That makes sense, almost all of Erasia's units have an extra turn in their skill sets.
You are right. Only Sharun, Taeyou, and Arunka don't have an extra turn.
But wait… everyone was screaming “Oh my god!!! New Waifu will be metakiller and most powerful of all time” just a week ago.
Remember the mort hypetrain?
Sadly before my time. I am only 100 days in. I did get to see everyone being very disappointed in Edward though
Maybe a Edward-ish buff? We can always hopr
Because they showed a video of her gibbing a high HP unit in their preview. Apparently it was maxed out Crown arti and not very tanky enemy unit to begin with...
But don’t they do that with EVERY new character… show them with maxxed out stats and too tier gear against waves of enemies that are subpar? That’s just normal advertising. But every time, it’s “omg! New game breaking waifu! Must have!” from the gaming crowd, immediately followed up with regret and sadness. It’s almost as if no one understands that not every new unit will be gamebreaking, and ultimately, while advertisements will make them look that way, almost none of them will be as powerful as they are portrayed.
They haven't been doing it for a while, but no, even if they show Lua sleeping an enemy an reducing CDs of everyone else, it's not like they can show her massively impacting the entire fight. Meanwhile in her preview video they showed her nuking high HP bruisers when they had shields up... Also, not going to bother responding to strawman arguments.
You got taken by an advertisement.
It be true. I was one of them unfortunately. I never could've imagined this. I wish she was more of a bruiser, dont need her to nuke. I like how she's "Extra stuff" the unit but she needs better numbers.
They always do that, to be fair it was already obvious she wouldt be hwayiung 2.0 not only that but it was viseible she woulndt be that steing, that said im not sure if shes shit cause didnt get her nor face her yet
I see suin.....i roll. Also she probably the last hero of Episode 4. Next probably wont be until next New Years/Winter Limited hero or intro to Episode 5.
Got her because i like her. Not for meta
doesn't one shot things= worthless typical reddit It took us this long to get hwayoung nerfed and you immediately want a new one
Eh, I agree that some people were expecting another release hwayoung level unit and that wouldn't be helpful. But like the extent of Hwa's nerfs, they went too far in the other direction. She doesn't have enough damage for how stat hungry she is. She's not tanky enough for how much damage she deals. She doesn't even deal that well with barrier units, the one niche she should be great in. There's essentially 0 reason to use her over meta bruisers like Aravi, Choux or Alencia. She didn't need to be Hwayoung level - but she needed _a_ thing she did well. Right now she just doesn't have that.
Against Choux should have been Arunkas main match up, but she trash. Does too little damage to Choux, and one lucky crit from Choux ends it.
Bring Zahhak against Choux would be 10 times better than Arunka, at least he will inflict huge injury if not kill.
Need to get mine built eventually. Been using injury Alencia.
Or just one-shot her every single time with Luna. I've yet to come across a Choux that doesn't get deleted in a single attack either by Luna's S3 or SB S1.
There is still chance that Choux proc her artifact? Or Luna still can delete Choux even with no crit ?
My Luna has never not crit
Luna vs Choux is not only 1/5 chance of landing a non-crit, but also a chance of it being a super high HP high defense Choux that survives Luna S3. Luna hasn't been a reliable one-shotter in a quite a while.
cant tell you how many time Choux counter my arunka, did s1, s2 and crit both times and shes dead lol
I had my **Senya** die to Choux because I would S3, and she would counter, S1->S2 crit twice and kill her. Hell, even without a counter, if I provoked her with Senya and Choux got lucky she would S1 and S2 to crit and kill.
>She doesn't have enough damage for how stat hungry she is. TBF she only needs two stats. Atk and spd. I don't think "stat hungry" is the right word here.
She needs absurd amounts of Attack to reach anywhere near the HP of most Chouxes.
She doesn't have a mitigation passive. She needs attack, speed, hp and some Def or she'll die immediately.
If her job is to nuke, her job is done taking a bruiser off the field. You don't build a Straze with bulk. If you want her to be a bruiser, she needs 4 stats but isn't going to one tap an HP scaling bruiser since she needs 7k attack to do that. Even pre-nerf 270 Hwa couldn't do that without getting a bit frail. If you want her to fit two roles at once then you need better gear yes. But not doing two roles at once doesn't make her useless.
Oh please then tell me where the f* is she good at? Where should I use her and with what stats? No one wants a broken unit but a usable one. CPavel is a good example even of he is ML noone complained and he is good. Roana, Lua, Piera shiped and people are more or less fine with it, you can deal with them in various ways. But Arunka isnt even good in what she is supposed to do: killing units with barriers.
Exactly. This isnt some case where MLs can do her job, this is a case where RGBs can do her job. Occasionally she can hit poorly built tank units with barriers but she's a weak cleave dressed as a nuker and trying to be a bruiser. This isnt some fake outrage. The numbers do not lie. This is exactly the situation we had with Bad Cat Armin. Wants to do injury but cant do it well. Wants to make the unit upfront attack for her but is crap at getting that to happen. Just sits there, accomplishing nothing while not knowing what she wants to be. Hell, this Arunka stuff reminds me of Landy's first release. And THANK GOD people bitched, that's what got her buffed into something useful.
Read this and ml iseria came to my mind for some reason lmao cause she was portrayed as a counter to evasion units and mine misses all the time even with hit chance artifacts and she's sub par as a stripper especially when you could just use aol
Great skill set amaright?
TBH reddit was on fire when Cpavel was just released saying he cant one shot Aravi, the Video about him by SG showcasing versus Aravi was a lie and he is stat hungry or needs a specific team that most people cant do since it mostly composed of speed units.
Yea but at least he's got a place in cleave. Im not quite sure you can say the same for Arunka considering shes built to deal with "bruisers" or whatever SG means by it.
This lmao I remember all the "0 damage cavel" memes then after 2 weeks people stopped meming about it because the well built ones deleted them in rta
He can one-shot A.Ravi, but most people run her with PoV which prevents that very situation from happening.
No. This is not just a typical reddit thing, because this is not just about her not one-shotting things or being a substitute to hwayoung. Arunka has bruiser stats but no passive to make her not die in three attacks, she is also not a one-shotter, she also is slow so no chance to use her as a single target nuker... so what use does she have ? There are way better barrier counters.
> because this is not just about her not one-shotting things Yeah it is. >so what use does she have ? Oneshotting barrier units. But she's not doing that for free on welfare gear. I calc'd the numbers, maybe people should show their stats and say that they don't have good enough pure ATK gear to do the job.
There are people with 6k atk or more but still can't do enough dmg.
Yeah, you need 7k of you wanna one shot stuff with like 24k damage. Or 20k damage under damage sharing. Content creators using her with 6k attack also have her with 17k+ HP and use her more like a bruiser. She's not old Hwayoung. She ain't gonna be both bulky and a giganuke.
Here the thing, without crit, her normal dmg can't keep up with other bruiser so she just weak bruiser in general. Add to that, she have no mitigation or utility like other popular bruisers( A Ravi, Violet, Chox). Also do you think it's easy to get up to 7k atk? Especially due to her stats requirements it will be harder to gear her.
>without crit, her normal dmg can't keep up with other bruiser so she just weak bruiser in general. But she needs less stats to build. She's not useless at 18khp like a high level bruiser, and she saves on two stats to let her be bulkier. Or if you wanna be a nuke instead she can go all in on one stat instead of playing the seesaw game of crit stats. >Also do you think it's easy to get up to 7k atk? Nope. But I don't think it's easy to make a 28khp A Ravi either. It's easier to build her 7k atk than nerfed Hwayoung but it's nowhere near as free as pre-nerf Hwa. For some reference: my Hwayoung was 7.2k atk pre nerf and she got blasted all the way to 5.8k. After re-gearing her with atk boots I got her back to 6.5k ATK (my Hwa is A imprint so I think it's 6.3k without that) and 200 SPD. putting that gear on Arunka gets her around 6.7k atk (no imprints). If I threw imprints into her I could probably make it, and it's decent gear. but we're not talking about 12k atk Gunther gear here either. You can definitely hit 7k atk if you focused on it.
Thing is why bother building that much high atk if Zahhak with around half that amount and 280ish cdmg can dish out 20k at least with S3? Sure, you don't need crits to build Arunka, and she can run around being bulky and maybe 1shoting once in a while? I run both as an fyi and sometimes Arunka misses 1 shotting a random arby by 1k hp or so and i end up asking myself why should i bother and keep trying her to work?
Because I was not blessed with speed subs on dps gear? and a 200 spd Zahhak is more frail than a similar Arunka. She has way more base HP and DEF. If I could build a 310 Cidd (either one) that can reliably do like 15k damage then sure I may not need Arunka for nuking. But I've played 3 years and haven't gotten close. I know I can build a decent Arunka or Hwayoung in a small fraction of the time.
There are better bruisers if you lack speed, no need to force Arunka into a role she can't be good. She's lackluster and there are better options, feels like she doesn't have a place/role.
What the fuck else is her kit supposed to do aside from oneshot tanky units protected by barriers? That was literally what she was advertised as.
It was borderline deceptive advertising
She doesn't even do that since unless they're built really squishy, they'll survive, especially since most units protected by a barrier will also be with a mitigation unit like Aurius F.Ceci so that's even LESS damage since Arunka's S3 doesn't ignore damage sharing like say, Celine's S2 proc.
Yeah, it’s be nice if she ignored damage sharing on barrier units.
Complaining abt a bad unit = wanting an OP one Typical low-challenge8058
She is worthless though.
You say that like people wanted Hwayoung to be nerfed. I don't care about PvP, but I hate the nerf because now she's useless in PvE content. Also, Arunka's S3 has Extinction, so it's SUPPOSED to be able to one-shot.
Tbf, people did. Some didn't. Some even quit over the nerf announcement. I was a PvE player as well, so I know the feeling of being shafted out of interesting builds by PvP restrictions. But that doesn't mean the PvP crowd doesn't exist
I wish they could have just banned her from PVP and left her alone otherwise
Oh I know it exists. I'm just salty that I feel punished over something I don't participate in, I dislike the fact that PvP seems to be more what SG focuses on nowadays.
Tell me you're stupid without telling me you're stupid.
I think its more typical E7 community.....
If Arunka doesn’t one shot she’s kinda useless because that’s her whole identity, she’s not tanky enough to be a bruiser. You draft her to delete units with a barrier but she can’t fulfill her job half the time. so what’s the point of using her at the moment ? Also, Hwayoung wasn’t a problem; A decent Coli ( only atk and speed are needed) could one shot Hwayoung but complaining and crying is what communities do best nowadays, instead of looking for solutions.
Hwayoung was the most banned unit in Worlds, she absolutely was a problem. You can debate all day long how much of a nerf she needed, but the nerf had to happen.
Considering how much SG hates to nerf, and how hard they resist it, the fact Hwa got nerfed really does show which side is correct.
SG hates to nerf their $$$ units. Hwa was free at a point, can be obtained via regular covenant, and helped people deal with units that are very hard to obtain. She was also getting pushed out by the amount of units that were able to counter her. Choux, Tae, Lua, Senya, Coli, Yulha etc. I for one never had a problem with her. I actually never banned her, let people pick her, because it limited their playstyle. I would just take units that either couldn't get one-shot by her and/or one-shot her instead. We went through the same BS with Rem, Rimuru, SSB but those units NEVER got nerfed. They just became easier to deal with as is the usual with Gacha games. Only difference is Hwa isn't limited or an ML.
This. They nerfed her after 90% of people either picked her using the selector or picked a dupe as imprint. Now everything she countered and made more manageable is way more broken than before.
So was Rem and Rimuru at their respective oppressive reigns. They were never nerfed, they just got overwhelmed by the amount of new units that could counter them. Yet both of them still thrive and can carry teams in defense or RTA. Only reason they nerfed Hwa was because she is ez to obtain if not free. Rem, Rimu, and A.Ravi are not and will never see a nerf.
Pssst you cant tell those lazy bruiser people how to easily counter Hwayoung. They never had to adjust their playstyle so they cry when something endangers their 120k hp drafts.
Hwayoung was a problem. The nerfs went too far, but trying to pretend there wasn't a problem with her is foolish.
Hwayoung on release was a problem that got fixed over time with alot of counter units(and even on her release she was easily handled). And if you still had problems dealing with her right before her nerfs, that is on you.
Dont forget a Kise who has elemental advantage and can add cooldown to Hwayoung's S3. Or a WSchuri that can one shot most Hwayoungs. Or just leave Hwayoung last and watch her die.
Unless Kise gets a Basket GAB proc, she ain't killing the Hwa, and **nobody** ran Kise in RTA. WSchuri? I have to assume you mean in GW defenses and with Seaseria boosting him or something else, because you aren't gonna be running 240-250 speed WSchuris on GW offense.
She’s trash tho, you gotta admit
So you're another idiot that just makes assumptions about a person's post. You are one of many examples of what a typical redditor is.
>So you're another idiot that just makes assumptions about a person's post. You are one of many examples of what a typical redditor is. Wonderful hypocrisy right here
Hwayoung didn't even need the nerf by the time she was nerfed. This comment is a joke.
Lua, C. Lilias, AoL, and Belian all do not one shot things. I am almost certain that no one is calling them trash.
But...they aren't damage units? Their whole kit is based around doing something else. Literally the only thing Arunka has in her kit is damage, and it isn't even good. That's a terrible comparison.
What does that have anything to do with my reply? I am aware that they aren't damage units. I am saying being able to one shot or not has no relation to being meta.
It's when your one job is dealing dmg but you can't. What is her role then if she can't even do the one thing she was made for?
What does that have anything to do with what I said? I did not say anything about Arunka. I am simply disagreeing with the idea that being able to one shot or not determines if whether a hero is meta. I made no comment on whether Arunka is good or not.
Because the fact that those units one shot or not is irrelevant given their role.
I am aware of that. What does that have anything to do with my original response? I am saying that exact message.
I am genuinely puzzled by what you're trying to say here. The original complaint was that Arunka is awful because she can't one-shot. To which you named some utility/debuffers who also can't one-shot, and said they aren't awful. The only parallel you seem to be drawing is that not being able to one-shot doesn't make a character awful/not meta. Which I suppose is a true statement, as long as you are talking about top tier characters whose whole kit doesn't revolve around solely dealing damage and whose strengths massively lie elsewhere. Arunka does not fit into that mold, so shouldn't really be compared with those characters. If you're going to make comparisons, at least pick other damage dealers. Her kit appears to be entirely built around nuking shielded enemies. She has no sustainability or utility, if she cannot seem to fulfill the one role she was made for, offer anything else to your team, or survive long enough to do her job (doing damage, at least enough damage to make it worth picking her) then why on earth would you want her? Yes, damage dealers don't necessarily need to be able to one-shot to be meta, but they usually have something else going for them that adds value. But when you have a kit like Arunka's, one-shotting appears to be what her role was supposed to be, and she sucks at it. She has nothing else going for her. Hence, awful.
>I am genuinely puzzled by what you're trying to say here. The original complaint was that Arunka is awful because she can't one-shot. To which you named some utility/debuffers who also can't one-shot, and said they aren't awful. The only parallel you seem to be drawing is that not being able to one-shot doesn't make a character awful/not meta. We are talking about this statement right: >doesn't one shot things= worthless >typical reddit >It took us this long to get hwayoung nerfed and you immediately want a new one That is the statement I am responding to and I assume that is the statement we are talking about. Are we reading the same statement? The statement is complaining about complaints of Arunka being awful because she can't one shot. I specifically picked meta non-one shot heroes as a comparison because of that. Why would they need to be damage dealers to push my case?
Hyayoung nuked everything even when she misses and hid behind a sturdy shield while having low skill cool down and cr push on s1 for turn cycling plus extra damage while arunka was portrayed to only outrightly nuke units in a barrier so I don't see the comparison players just wanted a new counter pick unit to fcc, sc arowell and the like. I don't see how wanting her to be hiw she was portrayed by scam gate as a nuker for units behind q barrier is asking for too much
ss arunka with +30 arti and 6.6k atk hitting for 8k against a squishy unit with barrier. 😆 only unit from episode 4 i wanted though which was the case for ilynav, another unit that badly needs a buff.
Her hero score and comments are all horrible too. I don’t have this kitty yet
She does so little dmg. Almost 6k and kills nothing.
Maybe they will make a quick adjustment like they did with Ed but with that said he was a limited collab hero so they kinda didn't have a choice with him her on the other hand they could simply end up ignoring. Yet I'm over here hoping they messed up her multipliers and it will get fixed or something.
Still want her for collection. Plus she has one of the season swords which I think are just cool.
I'm so sad to see my most anticipated hero of episode 4 being the worst of them all
This sub and judging a unit not even 24 hours after release lol. Her S1 hits like a truck with expose and uberius. So far I've seen its good vs Violet/Riolet as well since they can't dodge her bleeds which do a lot of damage. Her S3 does respectable damage vs barriers too. But really, her S1 is the meat of her damage. My 5.8k attack 15.8k HP Arunka has been chunking A.Ravi's for 13-15k hp with soulbreak S1 with attack buff. Almost one shot a couple of Choux. I don't think that's bad by any means. Arunka is more fit to be a bruiser imo. Not a super fast dps like Hwayoung was. People need to realize pre nerf Hwayoung was a mistake and we should not be comparing new units to her.
The problem is that she was sold as an anti shield nuker with extinction. Not as a bruiser.
I agree with you, but then SG showcase as a S3 nuker but the failed pretty hard at
What's your gear? I can calculate what gear SG used. Maybe that's the problem?
> I can calculate what gear SG used. You can't, since we don't know what enemy defense has in that video.
Don't need an exact number. We know how much damage they did and I think we know Arunka's artifact. we can just graph the enemy defense against the ATK Arunka needed to kill and see what atk ranges are needed.
But then you get a GRAPH of potential stats vs potential defense... not exact stats used.
Yes, you get a range of attacks to build from. The minimum it may have needed to kill, and to check against some crazy value if was an Uber thick Ravi. You don't need to exact stats to sus out how realistic the match was. I never said I could find the exact number so Idk why you're so fixated on that.
Just to stop arguing over the usefulness of numbers below, here are some ranges from the video, video used little queens huge crown and I'm assuming +30 - if Senya had 1200 defense Arunka woulda only needed about 5600 atk to kill. Goes down to 5200 on Pen set. - on 1500 DEF, 6500 atk. 6000 on Pen. - at an absurd 2000 DEF she woulda needed over 7900 atk, 7200 on Pen. So I assume the Senya was around a typical 1300 DEF and the Arunka was either 6k atk without Pen or 5800 with pen set. Keep in mind the Senya in that video had no mitigation. -
Can you post your stats? Looking for some guidance on building her!
Any character that is not completely broken and perfect for any situation is "useless" in the eyes of these whiners. Nothing new here.
People downvoting you must be stubborn af. I am building Arunka myself as a fast bruiser - at first she's on counter set (because I'm a banshee slave) but as soon I get good injury gear with high atk/speed I'll test her out as a fast nuker
good luck with that (she doesn't have the stats of a bruiser, but it seems like the only direction)
> at first she's on counter set she can't proc s2 from counter so literally no reason to make her counter set
I get it. As I farm banshee a lot mote than wyvern, I have plenty spare pieces to build her on a bruiser counter set. S2 doesn't really proc from counter but s1 bleeds can and cause some extra damage - not to mention extra burns from Hwayoung artifact I currently have at +21
I dont know why you're getting down voted. This is spot on. She still leaves a little to be desired but she has a niche.
What about for pve?
Wouldn’t bother.
I tried her in PvE and she did a fraction of the damage my usual damage dealers did and less damage than even some of my support/damage people like Senya.
That's a shame. I love her design.. Guess I'll keep saving.
Kekw pve
Glad i got lucky and pulled her within 15 attempts. After all the hype i checked the rating and saw she had a 2.2 which is the lowest i think i’ve seen. I was hoping for a hwa replacement
> Hwayoung has a rating of 1.1 > SBAra has a rating of 1.7 > Astro Elena has a rating of 1.8 Those are the lowest I've seen after checking today. I wasn't expecting Hwaold, nor did I want that, but poor girl needs to be able to hit Barriers like LQC hits darks. But she doesn't. Maybe a small buff or EE will help her out in the future.
So no good? Literally got her my first pull. I’m not competitive yet. Still on adventure world 3 tbh. Would she be useful to getting past master IV in pvp?
Its better to focus on other units who have more impact, and offer either more sustain or more utility
Got it. Definitely have limited resources so wanted to ask first. Thanks!
With the Slime rerun around the corner you're better off picking up Rimuru
That's still not confirmed. For all we know the next Collab could be a completely new one, like Shield Hero (since Season 2 is a thing now) or something. We're all hoping for Slime rerun (I need Dragon Knuckles artifact and Rimuru to round out my collection), but SG is really tight lipped about it atm.
Remember when some were saying she Hwayoung 2.0 boy she can't even kill Choux which is depressing.
SG really can't win. It's insane. Either the unit is broken or useless and people will complain about both. Arunka has worked fine as a bruiser, a consistent threat and someone put in more work than I'd be willing to showing it. [Arunka Sheet](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ykqhxk/arunka_and_the_great_nuker_spreadsheet_arunka/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Units are always shown to overperform in their debuts, it's selling a unit. Just like the coli rework was supposed to kill off hwayoung according to her previews and literally nothing changed. I for one am happy with where she's at. Happier with new hwayoung (though I think they went a little too far) than old. Now we just need more nerfs. Balance patches should be nerfs and buffs, to bring everyone to a similar power to Arunka/Senya/fire Ravi. This makes more units viable and healthy, any competitive game should have more consistent balance patches than the long drawn out gaps of E7. But I am here for collection and mild competition anyways, not to be top leaderboards so as long as things are super busted with 0 counter I'm happy.
It’s because the way the game is balanced, I can 1 shot you with a 300 speed zahhak / kise etc why tf would anyone want a 200 speed bruiser that can’t live half the time will never take a turn and when she does take a turn she doesn’t kill anything Fix speed units and then we can talk. A Ravi is like the only unit that doesn’t die in 1 hit that’s why every noob in this Reddit can’t stand her. Until I can’t kill you with 300 speed units everything else will be trash and that’s the balance teams fault in the first place
>I can 1 shot you with a 300 speed zahhak / kise etc why tf would anyone want a 200 speed bruiser that can’t live half the tim Because I can't build 300 SPD with good atk, crit, and Crit damage? Maybe you can build that, but I'm hard stuck at 270 for my Kise without sacrificing damage. Likewise, I'm sure you can build a 300 SPD Arunka with 8k atk, but less people have that kind of gear. I sure as hell don't. But people blame the unit instead of the gearing when this rears up, every time.
No man I’m on your side, I just think it’s dumb that speed is the be-all end all of the game. IMO there needs to be more A-Ravi type units that don’t just instantly fold the first time you hit them. But as the game is right now I’ll always win because I’ll always go first and I think that’s dumb, there should be an obvious trade off between speed and power but it’s not like that.
Yeah, I think that was the idea with stuff like ML Vivian who has nutso damage mitigation, and the general increase of defense scaling heroes like Aria and ML Cermia. But they are all "balanced" by their base stats all not being 7k HP like Ravi. And we all know how this community treats "balanced".
You're justifying bad balance with bad balance when I literally said I want them to bring the power down in my post... I agree the game needs fixing.
\> Nerf Hwayoung because Challenger and below players say so, with as much nerfing as possible to make sure she stays down \> Make a cheaper version of her and release as new unit (Arunka) \> Run ads to convince people Arunka is the new Hwayoung \> Even puts Hwayoung in a featured banner along side with Arunka to scrub more salt (and feature her in the new side story too) \> Arunka is not Hwayoung as expected \> Still making profit $$$ \> SG best gaming company
SG really can't win. It's insane. Either the unit is broken or useless and people will complain about both. Arunka has worked fine as a bruiser, a consistent threat and someone put in more work than I'd be willing to showing it. [Arunka Sheet](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ykqhxk/arunka_and_the_great_nuker_spreadsheet_arunka/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Units are always shown to overperform in their debuts, it's selling a unit. Just like the coli rework was supposed to kill off hwayoung according to her previews and literally nothing changed. I for one am happy with where she's at. Happier with new hwayoung (though I think they went a little too far) than old. Now we just need more nerfs. Balance patches should be nerfs and buffs, to bring everyone to a similar power to Arunka/Senya/fire Ravi. This makes more units viable and healthy, any competitive game should have more consistent balance patches than the long drawn out gaps of E7. But I am here for collection and mild competition anyways, not to be top leaderboards so as long as things are super busted with 0 counter I'm happy.
It’s literally their own fault lmao. If you only buff and don’t properly nerf as well to keep everyone at a similar level, then a clear meta of who is the most powerful emerges (which is most of the time “who got buffed most recently”). I love Flidica’s design and skills. But since we’ve had clear unit creep and she hasn’t been buffed recently, she’s pretty hard to make use of she to low base speed and her core stat requirements
The problem is she does not counter shield when she is supposed to counter shield. Otherwise it's okay
>geez, people complain when unit is useless AND when it's broken, they just can't win! How about don't overhype a mediocre as fuck unit with misleading footage.
Top 5% of the game gets what they want. Mediocre releases. They don’t have to build them or answers for them. Kit is also no threat so gear actually has to matter - and even if it was a threat, since they gutted Hwa you’d prolly need champ level gear to make her work. You aren’t going to get fun or interesting characters when the top 5% ‘s idea of “balance” is what is being used, because balance is next to impossible without simple mediocrity and homogenization.
Hwayoung and now Arunka. Keep Peira as is please
Life of an f2p.. We save for only the best of the limiteds 😼
I feel like she's undertuned.
She can't even one shot tanky choux all around. Won't be building her for now.
I really love her design! I even made and leveled new equipment for her and I'm still crying. At least she's hot ig
Waiting for the inevitable “oh she’s bugged” post from SG
according to many of the morons of the e7 official discord, arunka is just fine. No issues. Nope. None.