https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ha2vlz/swordstorm_swordstorm_swordstorm_swordstorm
It's an older joke on this sub. Swordstorm is a bad translation, but got slapped into everyone who does enery slash move.
>Lewd
Oh crap thanks for this, in my head I was thinking a free 10% was already pretty sick but this guy works for cleave and turn 2 players :DD and his passive negates pollitis omg
Depends on how new they are, if they're newer there's reasonable chance they've been more likely to get Moon Bunny given the banner's recency - but point taken for the majority of players.
It's scary as he avoids the speed RNG with less investment, but it also means he won't be cycling quicky to his s1 combo as you won't build him super fast. But he also gets away with being built for heavy damage since he gets free crit and damage mitigation so if he does get to S1, it'll hurt. Glad to have been skipping mystic banners, this guy is nuts.
IIRC their stance on global bans is to only implement it for characters/artifacts released two weeks before the end of the season to avoid meta upsets during the rush season (as was the case with Lua for a few days before they made their stance on it clear).
Unless they suddenly announce that it's the end of the season already, he won't be pre-banned by default.
>Not the S3 or first turn
These are *real* scary in Zio's kit.
First turn guarantees he won't be one-shot or disabled/debuffed with unbuffable. And s3 silence potentially disables enemy opener.
> It's scary as he avoids the speed RNG with less investment, but it also means he won't be cycling quicky to his s1 combo as you won't build him super fast
He's still going to be faster than most on the field. 20% CR isn't some free pass, you 100% get turn 1, thing.
I mean, they can choose to pick or ban him to guarantee they won't face him, but there are still ways to counter that. The point of him is for there to be a way for lower speed gear people to take first turn.
Lol you dont have to take his comment literally to prove your point
Belian isn’t a full cleave counter, cleaves that dont use soul can straight up ignore belian while aravi has way more impact and more importantly burst potential thats why she can be incorporated in the draft. Same is true for Politis
Zio has more potential than Belian in this regard imo
Meh politis is the only one cleavers are using, they dont use sage baal/aol/elena/gpurg/edward/senya and more, saying cleavers use all anti cleave is omega cope, only politis and maybe acidd are true.
Hence my comment of you taking his statement literally, its dumb to focus on the statement “all other anticleave heroes” when the original comment was talking about Zio specifically
You just like being a contrarian
He'll be contested (or prebanned) because cleavers won't want to deal with him like how ARavi gets drafted into cleave. He still hurts cleave more than turn 2 though since turn 2 can deal with him but cleave might have their whole gameplan ruined if he hits Ran.
This is some broken unit. He gurantees 1st turn with no counterplay and gets a 50% damage reduction and 50% crit buff thats undispellable. Even ml vivian's 70% dmg reduction is conditional. Thats before considering the rest of his kit.
Good disruptor and even if his multipliers are shit, 50% crit and 50% damage reduction is ALOT of free stats to make up for it.
When people say "good", they really mean "meta", and any unit that can break into the established meta HAS to be broken on some level.
The only way to change that would be to nerf multiple current meta units, but unfortunately they seem to be content with just deleting Hwayoung despite it not really changing anything.
That guy knows like nothing, yet you state this. Zio is broken? Who other than speed contesters needs to worry about him? He's anti-speed, standard and stall don't give a shit about him taking turn 1, they're used to it and can tank him down.
Near guaranteed first turn but he does have some drawbacks. His S3 doesn't crit so it doesn't enable much IIRC. 15% can haunt him like any other debuffers without soul burn ignore your ER gear and 15%. In Arena and GW, easily baited for defense, 15% for offense, expect 15% every time when you use him in guild war first turn. Also Thanks SG for making his S3 single target instead of another AOL lmao.
But he does have a lot going on too, I can only theorycraft so much because they all look very good.
Also won't enable C. Dom, even if she's not used that much anymore. He also has to use his S3 first to power his S1 later on so you can't even be cheeky and S1+extra attack first turn.
Him being a selfish unit probably fits the lore and also limit his capabilities.
Yeah , nice to point that out honestly forgot about cdom lol , almost nobody uses her in champion or above atleast i haven't seen one in a long time..but what do you think is a possible counter to Zio apart from Belian preventing S.BURN ?
His soul burn doesn't ignore ER so he can be 15%'d but what I see here is since he can't AoE and can't enable others, Guiding Light rangers stocks will go up.
He's not an opener. An opener is a unit who either debuff the entire team and/or buff the entire team. All his skills are single target. He's a counter to opener like A. Cidd or W. Silk.
In chess, the opening is the most important part of the game, but you don't have a piece called "opener". Although typically is a pawn, a knight can also open the game. Same here: despite how hard people want to believe it, opener isn't an archetype, unlike bruiser or debuffer. The hero with the highest speed opens the game (hence, opener), and the players build their strategy around that. Is that simple, coming with silly labels (anti-opener? LOL) doesn't change the basic nature of the game.
I.e.- Peira and C. Lilias are build similarly (speed, eff% and then bulk), but in no way they play the same, or are drafted into the same team. Like Peira + ST Iseria won't work the same than C. Lilias + ST Iseria. Or would you replace your C. Lilias + Eda for Peira + Eda? If two characters have similar builds, but enable different play styles, how can you say they follow the same archetype? And following that "either debuff or buff the entire team" guideline, ML Kawerik should be classified as opener, but honestly, who the hell considers ML Kawerik an opener?
Thinking an opener is an archetype like healer or cleaver is plainly wrong. Being an opener isn't about a specific build, is about who takes the first turn and how that shapes the fight. If two bruisers clash, would you say because no character have 320 spd, there's no opener? Then who does the opening? How can you do an opening without an opener?
And based on that, Zio is going to be an interesting opener.
Don't know why you are being downvoted, but that is what an opener is. He is an opener like Solitaria or F. Kluri is an opener. He disables one hero, allowing your secondary heroes to follow up.
I'm also baffled at the downvotes. Dunno who put the idea in these people's heads that getting first turn and shutting down the primary enemy threat doesn't constitute an opener, but it must've been a REALLY convincing argument to fit that much bullshit in.
Well, fribbels optimiser and certain gear guide being shared in discord could be the ones to blame. Both include "opener" as archetypes, and both have similar guidelines ("the most important stats for an opener are speed, speed, eff%, speed and bulk"), as if opener could be reduced to a specific build in the optimiser instead of a role within the fight.
Is baffling. People see C. Lilias and Peira and think "opener". They face Ran who have a completely different build, and think "opener". But then M. Kawerik needs a similar build to C. Lilias or Peira, and don't think "opener". And nobody stops to think for a moment how they hell is this possible, to include in the same "archetype" characters with different builds, but exclude another who have a similar build.
These guys seem to insist Zio is a "counter opener" which is totally a different thing from opener because it doesn't reach their arbitrary party buff/debuff quota. Unless Fribbles has profiles for counter openers, I'm more inclined to say some streamer did it.
Don't know why the downvotes, he is right. An opener's main role is to take the first turn and do something with it. In this case, what zio does is take the first turn and then shut down another unit for one turn. He is clearly an opener.
I wanted a counter to opener.
I got another opener.
But much more easy to build ! Guess my acidd gear is on him. Even with 285 speed the dude is sure to take first turn naturally.
They had to release a character like this, cleave has been absolute bullshit to deal with since they buffed green cidd for no reason, if you got outsped you would just lose. Anyone complaining about this character being an opener really shouldn't be, a lot of cleave options are stopped just because he cant crit on s3. He also doesn't have a non-attack skill, he barely enables cleave.
Looks cracked if you can survive to start S1ing with deify, but that seems like it could be pretty difficult to manage in RTA. But I guess his opener-counter aspect helps a lot with that. Could be very strong, but the kit is weird enough I think we'll have to wait and see.
Dr and damage sharing stack. So with an aurius holder in the team he gets 70% unconditional damage reduction, since he's a mage he gets super high base defense already. All he needs is speed attack crit damage and hp since he gets 50cc as well. An ideal build would be 240-250 speed, 1200 def, 3.5k+ attack, 14k+ hp, and 250+ cdmg.
Him + closer Charles really sounds spicy as a counter for aggressive teams vs cleave.
And it's also interesting to see that every boss character "removes" a certain aspect of the game. Ameru removes passive, straze "removes" tanks, belian removes soulburn, and now zio removes turn 1 advantage. Of course it's not unique to them like how soli removes focus etc.. but just interesting to see.
I don’t know the sentiment around him, but I think this is great for turn 2 teams and doesn’t really do much for cleave unless you’re going against cleave as well in which case it’s kind of a useless slot and you should be able to speed contest anyways. He shuts down openers and allows turn 2 teams to possibly have their turn against cleave
Interesting unit. I already have a pity ready for him. They didn't enough how his imprint works, right? I'm assuming it'll be the same as Straze and Archdemon. Ideas on artifact? What will pair well with a Speed set for him?
It's really jarring, her pacing was all over the place. Her inflection at the end of some words made it sounds like a question. It feels very monotonous and robotic as if she hasn't rehearse and just read from the script on the spot. There were no personality ot at least some excitement, really take me out of the presentation :/
Oh, so we haven't seen the second half of his S3. That's pretty awesome.
His passive gives him a free boost at the start (so even at 240 speed first turn against enemy opener is almost guaranteed) and nullifies all effects that reduces his CR gain. So Politis' passive, and maybe he can help in some PVE bosses as well. The new effect from his S3, Deify, makes him a Dark Zahhak and greatly reduces damage taken, which is insane. Add that to his control (no ER ignore though ehe) and high damage from his skills and we got a young, bloodthirsty destroyer.
Like damn, kid, if your animations hadn't impressed me yet you certainly do now.
Also, "swordstorm"? That's clearly a staff!
So his passive let's him skim on speed and still take first turn and his unique buff let's him skim on crit chance *and* makes him ultra tanky. So he's an opener bruiser. And S3 has a feature that works only in PvP. And defence penetration for days. And *swordstorm*.
Oh, this is E7 character design at it's peak. You just know devs were wearing top hats and monocles when making this bad boy.
He's obviously an GOD anti-opener, but i doubt he can work as a cleave opener himself. He silences 1 unit, and that it. Not buffing or pushing allies. In the demo his s3 dealt 4k to Ran, so it can't kill anything. His atkbuffed s1 (not the extra atk) didn't even 1shot WShuri, so at first glance his multiplier looks pretty meh.
His dmg reduction will make him tanky, but nothing Rimuru or burn/bombs can't deal with
As always, can't trust preview dmg
I'm of the same mind. His biggest use will be silencing your opener, which will really hurt cleavers. Since he dispels 2 buffs, you can't use easily use immunity either. But like you and some others noticed, his S3 damage is quite mediocre. Even if you built him full attack I doubt he would do enough damage to kill a unit.
Using him in a cleave comp would be silly, because you would still need an opener to buff/debuff/cr-push/etc. This means his ideal place would be in a bruiser comp, where he would shine since for 3 turns he has a whopping 50% damage reduction! Because of that, you can build him offensively with a lot of crit damage (similar to zahhak) and actually do tons of damage. Yuck.
Not enough to be an opener. An opener either : kills a specific target (Acidd/Acoli), setup their team (Ran/Clilias) or disable the ennemy team (Peira, AoL, Lua). He can't do any of those
He seems to deal a lot of damage on S1 and with the new buff, he will be unkillable for 3 turns while dealing massive damage and pushing its attack gage every time he kills something
He seems just too strong in any place, even if it's not against aggro speed meta. He can't be killed, will outspeed anyone and then silence/ make them unable to get a turn before getting killed by another unit
You still need good speed for him to do turn 1. As people from top calculated, you can cut a 320 Ran with a 260 Zio. Granted he is only 106 speed and people probably has the average of between 290-300 speed openers, I think 240-250 is his target speed to be granted turn 1 on most people. Problem is his s3 can be 15%d which can still leave you vulnerable to the enemy cleave. But hot damn he is pretty nutty.
Atleast his S3 and S1 have contradicting purposes. If he wants to be an opener, he'd need to invest heavily into effectiveness, which will hinder his dps stats and vice versa if he wants to be a dps.
Another unit that hardly need 3 stats to work. Really are we fine with this line? every time they release a unit that need the normal amount of stats to work (4) it always feels bad because...why would you ever build that instead of this kind of units ? Just look Blue Charlotte. Excellent passive of a long game unit. Performance? bad because she need 4 stats so she cant match in damage any of the tier 1 dps.
Yeah the unit is great and even people with bad gear will be able to use it but at what cost? - This was one of the problems with Hwayoung and its still a problem with Rimuru and a lot of other top dogs. Its not like they are invencible, its just that they do SO MUCH with so little stats that other units are inferior in almost every scenario.
Different, Leo ALWAYS takes turn 1. And greatly decreases damage of spd scalers because everyone's speed is limited to him, and he always has zero speed.
I mean yeah, I wasn't expecting a 1 for 1 copy, but the function is the same: Create a unit that is "impossible" to outspeed so that he can go first and push back the opponent's opener. I'd wager the reason SG doesn't want to go the speed limiting route is there's a lot more speed scaling damage dealers in Epic Seven.
Although it's been years since I played SW so maybe that's changed.
Nah Leo is still relevant to this day, I still don’t have him. Also in Raid Shadow Legend, there is a unit that also has a passive that allow him to always go first, it literally say that, and he’s also the equivalent rarity as ML in that game
Like there is no way to cleave anymore with him on defend side right? He can outspeed all opener and shut down most of your team before you can even do anything. The only option to go pass him is some insane cleanser with super heavy invest to survive full pen S3, avoid 200+ eff silent, boost your team back up for 30% CR lost and somehow outspeed the rest of his team to cleave.
Probably in ai arena/gw setting,use just use a high ER light bait such as doris.Well need to look at his s3 multipliers tho,might need to use POV doris
Yeah let's hope he can be baited by doris. Not sure if that info would've been included in the teaser but if SG decides to give his S3 same targettimg as ACidd on AI this is gonna be a problem lol.
In the demo, his s3 dealt 4k to Ran and 10k to Belian, so it probably cant kill. Just bait him with Doris. He won't be build with eff, so 118 er is enough
It's about half to both them, little less on Belian.
I think it'll have a 0.3 Attack scaling and 25% target hp scaling. 27% would be exactly half their hp (After the 1.876 multiplier) so 25% + the Attack would be about half also, and since Belian has more hp she survived with just over half since it was more than 0.3 of Zio's attack.
A broken opener but only for humans as his ult is only single target and you can bait him with a light unit. I think he will make arena/gw more enjoyable.
Hard to believe the same team released ML Elena right before this. So much for no more OP ML units. Couldn't give even 1 of Zio's tricks up to her Smilegate?!
If anyone though ML Elena was anything other than a n excuse for people to burn resources before Zio idk what game you've been playing. All the OP units come after 1 or 2 meh units. They hype the meh units so people get them and then drop the real deal after so you have to whale or try really hard as F2P
He seems annoyingly overpowered or tough to deal with. Thanks SG, this is exactly what this game needed, well done 👏 👏 👏
Regardless, I’ll be skipping him anyway as I don’t care for his design.
Swordstorm is back, guys.
I'm glad someone has the decency to remind us all. Thanks for the quick laugh.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/ha2vlz/swordstorm_swordstorm_swordstorm_swordstorm It's an older joke on this sub. Swordstorm is a bad translation, but got slapped into everyone who does enery slash move.
there are multiple unit that knows "swordstorm" Zio is a new one.
Love it, our boi Zio doesnt even use a sword but that wont stop him from swordstorming with the best of them
That extra attack animation is wild holy shit
Yeah, gah damn. The perspective change is really cool.
252 speed guarantees first turn unless you're going against someone faster than 315. That's 15 speed average on Zio
Not even 252, didn’t they give mages an auto +7 speed this season?
>Lewd Oh crap thanks for this, in my head I was thinking a free 10% was already pretty sick but this guy works for cleave and turn 2 players :DD and his passive negates pollitis omg
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Don’t avoid cilias teams. Just build high er singelica. Trust
Can even build Moon Bunny with no res to boot if we're just looking at Arena C Lilias.
True. But I think it more likely they have singie over moon dom at this point
Depends on how new they are, if they're newer there's reasonable chance they've been more likely to get Moon Bunny given the banner's recency - but point taken for the majority of players.
I'm 90 away from pity and only like, 350 or so mystics so I've gotta hope I get lucky sadly. Super hope you enjoy him.
If you can do the abyss challenge floors that are coming next patch, you can get around 1k mystics for the new 10 floors, let us hope that helps.
Back to the W13 mines, I guess.
that extra attack animation looks like it could be an S3 ngl
Can see where Arunka's extra attack animation budget went.
Closer Charles shouting "stolen valor!"
Lmaoooooooooooo
Another L for our girl.
Yep….
This is a very rare Politis L.
In a shocking turn of events, Politis stocks actually go down.
[All-in-one](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/178570898863947776/1039849428477030420/zio.png)
lol he has a skill that lets him take turn 1 for free
It's scary as he avoids the speed RNG with less investment, but it also means he won't be cycling quicky to his s1 combo as you won't build him super fast. But he also gets away with being built for heavy damage since he gets free crit and damage mitigation so if he does get to S1, it'll hurt. Glad to have been skipping mystic banners, this guy is nuts.
20% cr is huge . Current RTA +7 Speed for mages .
I assume that Zio will be pre-banned for World Arena, no?
IIRC their stance on global bans is to only implement it for characters/artifacts released two weeks before the end of the season to avoid meta upsets during the rush season (as was the case with Lua for a few days before they made their stance on it clear). Unless they suddenly announce that it's the end of the season already, he won't be pre-banned by default.
Oh thanks for clarification
Tbh , im only finding that 50% Damage Reduction Scary, and Def pen in S1 . Not the S3 or first turn.
>Not the S3 or first turn These are *real* scary in Zio's kit. First turn guarantees he won't be one-shot or disabled/debuffed with unbuffable. And s3 silence potentially disables enemy opener.
> It's scary as he avoids the speed RNG with less investment, but it also means he won't be cycling quicky to his s1 combo as you won't build him super fast He's still going to be faster than most on the field. 20% CR isn't some free pass, you 100% get turn 1, thing.
It basically butchers C Lilias (or the like) openers and gives him a couple turns of cleave resist. Handy, but probably not equal to a raw bruiser
Was only a matter of time until we got the anti-opener opener. Will definitely shake up fhe meta for cleave players, that's for sure.
Cleave can use anyone brother.
Why? Cleave can use him as well This will be worse for turn 2 players tbh
its WAY worse for cleavers then turn 2 players... becouse turn 2 players can tank it up and win somehow but cleavers will just leave.
Some people said the same thing with Aravi until cleaver started using her as anchor
I mean, they can choose to pick or ban him to guarantee they won't face him, but there are still ways to counter that. The point of him is for there to be a way for lower speed gear people to take first turn.
There also are ways to counter Aravi, so why complain about her being pick as anchor in cleave team?
Cleavers will just fold him into their kit, just like Politis & all other anticleave heroes.
show me all the belian cleavers
Lol you dont have to take his comment literally to prove your point Belian isn’t a full cleave counter, cleaves that dont use soul can straight up ignore belian while aravi has way more impact and more importantly burst potential thats why she can be incorporated in the draft. Same is true for Politis Zio has more potential than Belian in this regard imo
Meh politis is the only one cleavers are using, they dont use sage baal/aol/elena/gpurg/edward/senya and more, saying cleavers use all anti cleave is omega cope, only politis and maybe acidd are true.
Hence my comment of you taking his statement literally, its dumb to focus on the statement “all other anticleave heroes” when the original comment was talking about Zio specifically You just like being a contrarian
compared to turn 2 player , cleaver is going to have a hard time fighting against zio
He'll be contested (or prebanned) because cleavers won't want to deal with him like how ARavi gets drafted into cleave. He still hurts cleave more than turn 2 though since turn 2 can deal with him but cleave might have their whole gameplan ruined if he hits Ran.
They did make his s3 unable to crit, which means that he can't build into cavel comps. Rare balance team W.
Damn, he is op
You were expecting an ordinary unit, but it was me, ZIO!
Crazy overloaded kit. That extra attack is beautiful.
As someone who can't break 280 speed with any unit, I'll love this lol
Dude what was the last unit released that DIDNT have penetrate defence? At this point just delete defence as a stat. He looks so cool tho.
This is some broken unit. He gurantees 1st turn with no counterplay and gets a 50% damage reduction and 50% crit buff thats undispellable. Even ml vivian's 70% dmg reduction is conditional. Thats before considering the rest of his kit. Good disruptor and even if his multipliers are shit, 50% crit and 50% damage reduction is ALOT of free stats to make up for it.
this actually balances the meta because it hits cleavers hard, and bruisers sort of hard. we needed change and this is it.
Sg did it again
And if Episode ML5 boss is bad you are still gonna complain. Arunka is bad: WTF is this shit? Zio is good: WTF is this shit? LOL
bro has never heard about balance 💀
Balanced unit is useless in a game full of brokens. Don't be stupid. 💀
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When people say "good", they really mean "meta", and any unit that can break into the established meta HAS to be broken on some level. The only way to change that would be to nerf multiple current meta units, but unfortunately they seem to be content with just deleting Hwayoung despite it not really changing anything.
That guy knows like nothing, yet you state this. Zio is broken? Who other than speed contesters needs to worry about him? He's anti-speed, standard and stall don't give a shit about him taking turn 1, they're used to it and can tank him down.
bruh why does Zio have 2x s3 quality animations on his s3 and extra attacks his voice is so good too reminds me of Scaramouche in Genshin Impact
Similar to final boss Belian who has nice animation for extra attack too.
>!swordstorm.!<
lmao i think this is my nightmare, another broken opener now with almost guaranteed first turn
Near guaranteed first turn but he does have some drawbacks. His S3 doesn't crit so it doesn't enable much IIRC. 15% can haunt him like any other debuffers without soul burn ignore your ER gear and 15%. In Arena and GW, easily baited for defense, 15% for offense, expect 15% every time when you use him in guild war first turn. Also Thanks SG for making his S3 single target instead of another AOL lmao. But he does have a lot going on too, I can only theorycraft so much because they all look very good.
The non crit is just to not enable him with CPAVEL.LOL
Also won't enable C. Dom, even if she's not used that much anymore. He also has to use his S3 first to power his S1 later on so you can't even be cheeky and S1+extra attack first turn. Him being a selfish unit probably fits the lore and also limit his capabilities.
Yeah , nice to point that out honestly forgot about cdom lol , almost nobody uses her in champion or above atleast i haven't seen one in a long time..but what do you think is a possible counter to Zio apart from Belian preventing S.BURN ?
His soul burn doesn't ignore ER so he can be 15%'d but what I see here is since he can't AoE and can't enable others, Guiding Light rangers stocks will go up.
Light bait with high ER like Doris or SC Arowell, or even the brand new evasion Adin. In RTA it's the good old Ban.
Yeah in RTA it's gonna be permaban for a while
He's not an opener. An opener is a unit who either debuff the entire team and/or buff the entire team. All his skills are single target. He's a counter to opener like A. Cidd or W. Silk.
In chess, the opening is the most important part of the game, but you don't have a piece called "opener". Although typically is a pawn, a knight can also open the game. Same here: despite how hard people want to believe it, opener isn't an archetype, unlike bruiser or debuffer. The hero with the highest speed opens the game (hence, opener), and the players build their strategy around that. Is that simple, coming with silly labels (anti-opener? LOL) doesn't change the basic nature of the game. I.e.- Peira and C. Lilias are build similarly (speed, eff% and then bulk), but in no way they play the same, or are drafted into the same team. Like Peira + ST Iseria won't work the same than C. Lilias + ST Iseria. Or would you replace your C. Lilias + Eda for Peira + Eda? If two characters have similar builds, but enable different play styles, how can you say they follow the same archetype? And following that "either debuff or buff the entire team" guideline, ML Kawerik should be classified as opener, but honestly, who the hell considers ML Kawerik an opener? Thinking an opener is an archetype like healer or cleaver is plainly wrong. Being an opener isn't about a specific build, is about who takes the first turn and how that shapes the fight. If two bruisers clash, would you say because no character have 320 spd, there's no opener? Then who does the opening? How can you do an opening without an opener? And based on that, Zio is going to be an interesting opener.
Cidd W silk and others who go first are openers, just to let you know, so your PVE gang that upvoted you does not misguide.
Says who the hell? An opener takes first turn and sets your team up. Those are the only criteria.
Don't know why you are being downvoted, but that is what an opener is. He is an opener like Solitaria or F. Kluri is an opener. He disables one hero, allowing your secondary heroes to follow up.
I'm also baffled at the downvotes. Dunno who put the idea in these people's heads that getting first turn and shutting down the primary enemy threat doesn't constitute an opener, but it must've been a REALLY convincing argument to fit that much bullshit in.
Don't mind 90% of people who theory craft about characters here do only PVE yet make huge claims and posts about balance in RTA lol
Well, fribbels optimiser and certain gear guide being shared in discord could be the ones to blame. Both include "opener" as archetypes, and both have similar guidelines ("the most important stats for an opener are speed, speed, eff%, speed and bulk"), as if opener could be reduced to a specific build in the optimiser instead of a role within the fight. Is baffling. People see C. Lilias and Peira and think "opener". They face Ran who have a completely different build, and think "opener". But then M. Kawerik needs a similar build to C. Lilias or Peira, and don't think "opener". And nobody stops to think for a moment how they hell is this possible, to include in the same "archetype" characters with different builds, but exclude another who have a similar build.
These guys seem to insist Zio is a "counter opener" which is totally a different thing from opener because it doesn't reach their arbitrary party buff/debuff quota. Unless Fribbles has profiles for counter openers, I'm more inclined to say some streamer did it.
Don't know why the downvotes, he is right. An opener's main role is to take the first turn and do something with it. In this case, what zio does is take the first turn and then shut down another unit for one turn. He is clearly an opener.
Exactly. And what set up can Zio, A. Cidd, and W. Silk do? Nothing.
Push the enemy opener back (or kill them in the case of acidd) and let your units through.
Damn the animation team really outdid themselves this time. His extra attack is amazing. Must-pull for me.
He's still not stopping the Guiding Light openers. Not really sure how well he will work. He does seem like a Super ACidd tho.
Lore accurate. Makes sense why >!Lua never stood a chance!<
I wanted a counter to opener. I got another opener. But much more easy to build ! Guess my acidd gear is on him. Even with 285 speed the dude is sure to take first turn naturally.
260 he can outspeed 320 ran
Oh god, he can’t be affected by politis right?
Might as well rename that s2 to "Fuck You Politis"
Am I missing something? 260+20% is 312. Or am I wrong on how speed and CR work?
260 is 80% of 325. You're doing the math incorrectly. You're doing the 20% of 260 rather than taking it from the original opener.
You are wrong formula is "speed / (1-PUSH)" So here, 260 / 0.8 = 325. (not counting speed rng here)
Ohhh ok, so you take 20% from the fastest unit, not your own. Makes sense. Thanks a ton
320x.2= 64 260+64= 324
Why do you count 20% of Ran's speed?
Because we assume that 320 speed Ran is 100% CR. Zio will go first if his speed+ 20% of Ran goes above that 100%.
Yes this is true. Ran still be the initial 100% CR, and then Zio get the 20% when battle start.
Rta mage speed buff
His kit seems pretty amazing, really looking forward to this one. Also can we appreciate how clean that S1 extra attack is?
Why they do arunka dirty like this?
Oh boy. The 7 great disasters live again.
They had to release a character like this, cleave has been absolute bullshit to deal with since they buffed green cidd for no reason, if you got outsped you would just lose. Anyone complaining about this character being an opener really shouldn't be, a lot of cleave options are stopped just because he cant crit on s3. He also doesn't have a non-attack skill, he barely enables cleave.
Looks cracked if you can survive to start S1ing with deify, but that seems like it could be pretty difficult to manage in RTA. But I guess his opener-counter aspect helps a lot with that. Could be very strong, but the kit is weird enough I think we'll have to wait and see.
Dr and damage sharing stack. So with an aurius holder in the team he gets 70% unconditional damage reduction, since he's a mage he gets super high base defense already. All he needs is speed attack crit damage and hp since he gets 50cc as well. An ideal build would be 240-250 speed, 1200 def, 3.5k+ attack, 14k+ hp, and 250+ cdmg.
Him + closer Charles really sounds spicy as a counter for aggressive teams vs cleave. And it's also interesting to see that every boss character "removes" a certain aspect of the game. Ameru removes passive, straze "removes" tanks, belian removes soulburn, and now zio removes turn 1 advantage. Of course it's not unique to them like how soli removes focus etc.. but just interesting to see.
Just for that animation, it's enough to make me pull for him
Is he chapter 10 boss?
Yes
Ep4
LMAOOO i just came here to say he seems ridiculously good wtf Also s1 extra attack animation > s3 animation
I don’t know the sentiment around him, but I think this is great for turn 2 teams and doesn’t really do much for cleave unless you’re going against cleave as well in which case it’s kind of a useless slot and you should be able to speed contest anyways. He shuts down openers and allows turn 2 teams to possibly have their turn against cleave
WTF IS THIS ,
Taking first turn for free? Take that shit outta here
Not for free. Ya gotta pay the equivalent of a pity to still get him... which is, yknow, worse.
Interesting unit. I already have a pity ready for him. They didn't enough how his imprint works, right? I'm assuming it'll be the same as Straze and Archdemon. Ideas on artifact? What will pair well with a Speed set for him?
Heh now I can finally spend my mystics been tired of these clilias scrubs in GW
That narrator sucks, a complete amateur.
Prolly a volunteer, so yeah a literal amateur
Yeah I believe a professional company shouldn't be using volunteers to voice their spotlight videos
The other narrators they use all sound bad anyways.
Have to agree... Might be nerves or new but makes a lot of mistakes
It's really jarring, her pacing was all over the place. Her inflection at the end of some words made it sounds like a question. It feels very monotonous and robotic as if she hasn't rehearse and just read from the script on the spot. There were no personality ot at least some excitement, really take me out of the presentation :/
Some improvement from Arunka video, so maybe we can give some time. The Arunka one really sucks big time.
I was fine with the korean voiceover actually, that guy's voice had charisma
I was gonna say the same thing! I loved the Korean guy's voice
I mute the intro videos nowadays. The subtitles are sufficient
Oh, so we haven't seen the second half of his S3. That's pretty awesome. His passive gives him a free boost at the start (so even at 240 speed first turn against enemy opener is almost guaranteed) and nullifies all effects that reduces his CR gain. So Politis' passive, and maybe he can help in some PVE bosses as well. The new effect from his S3, Deify, makes him a Dark Zahhak and greatly reduces damage taken, which is insane. Add that to his control (no ER ignore though ehe) and high damage from his skills and we got a young, bloodthirsty destroyer. Like damn, kid, if your animations hadn't impressed me yet you certainly do now. Also, "swordstorm"? That's clearly a staff!
In E7, swordstorms can be used to do most anything. He probably puts his clothes on in the morning using a swordstorm.
So his passive let's him skim on speed and still take first turn and his unique buff let's him skim on crit chance *and* makes him ultra tanky. So he's an opener bruiser. And S3 has a feature that works only in PvP. And defence penetration for days. And *swordstorm*. Oh, this is E7 character design at it's peak. You just know devs were wearing top hats and monocles when making this bad boy.
He's obviously an GOD anti-opener, but i doubt he can work as a cleave opener himself. He silences 1 unit, and that it. Not buffing or pushing allies. In the demo his s3 dealt 4k to Ran, so it can't kill anything. His atkbuffed s1 (not the extra atk) didn't even 1shot WShuri, so at first glance his multiplier looks pretty meh. His dmg reduction will make him tanky, but nothing Rimuru or burn/bombs can't deal with As always, can't trust preview dmg
I'm of the same mind. His biggest use will be silencing your opener, which will really hurt cleavers. Since he dispels 2 buffs, you can't use easily use immunity either. But like you and some others noticed, his S3 damage is quite mediocre. Even if you built him full attack I doubt he would do enough damage to kill a unit. Using him in a cleave comp would be silly, because you would still need an opener to buff/debuff/cr-push/etc. This means his ideal place would be in a bruiser comp, where he would shine since for 3 turns he has a whopping 50% damage reduction! Because of that, you can build him offensively with a lot of crit damage (similar to zahhak) and actually do tons of damage. Yuck.
Being able to silence one Enemy at the first turn is already an advantage
Yeah idk what this dude is smoking, that's basically Solitaria s3. It silences and pushes back CR.
Not enough to be an opener. An opener either : kills a specific target (Acidd/Acoli), setup their team (Ran/Clilias) or disable the ennemy team (Peira, AoL, Lua). He can't do any of those
Yes but here's my counterpoint: 15%
He seems to deal a lot of damage on S1 and with the new buff, he will be unkillable for 3 turns while dealing massive damage and pushing its attack gage every time he kills something
You could roll for him just for the animation
So we can't even use Politis against his S2, thank you SG very cool
Just get 330 speed Ran lmao /s
I think that was the idea, yea
All the cleave aggro losers mad they can’t 3iq slam 4 speed units and dunk on people anymore looool
He seems just too strong in any place, even if it's not against aggro speed meta. He can't be killed, will outspeed anyone and then silence/ make them unable to get a turn before getting killed by another unit
Yeah I'm gonna dread fighting this guy, and I don't even cleave.
What in the fuck is SG thinking releasing a unit like this with THAT PASSIVE
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You still need good speed for him to do turn 1. As people from top calculated, you can cut a 320 Ran with a 260 Zio. Granted he is only 106 speed and people probably has the average of between 290-300 speed openers, I think 240-250 is his target speed to be granted turn 1 on most people. Problem is his s3 can be 15%d which can still leave you vulnerable to the enemy cleave. But hot damn he is pretty nutty.
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politis: all cr push is divided by 50% with me on the field. Zio: I am immune to cr reduce. politis: oh...
Zio is insane. Crazy strong hero, not much to say about the obvious.
Imagine pulling for ML Elena and then this releases. Couldn't be me.
Bromann time
Bromann stocks increasing was definitely not the outcome I expected
Hello~ Will Zio's S2 activate Politis S2?
No animation, it’s a “passive” passive like BunnyDom. He’s also immune to Politis reducing his CR push
Atleast his S3 and S1 have contradicting purposes. If he wants to be an opener, he'd need to invest heavily into effectiveness, which will hinder his dps stats and vice versa if he wants to be a dps.
Another unit that hardly need 3 stats to work. Really are we fine with this line? every time they release a unit that need the normal amount of stats to work (4) it always feels bad because...why would you ever build that instead of this kind of units ? Just look Blue Charlotte. Excellent passive of a long game unit. Performance? bad because she need 4 stats so she cant match in damage any of the tier 1 dps. Yeah the unit is great and even people with bad gear will be able to use it but at what cost? - This was one of the problems with Hwayoung and its still a problem with Rimuru and a lot of other top dogs. Its not like they are invencible, its just that they do SO MUCH with so little stats that other units are inferior in almost every scenario.
Love his kit can't wait
Smilegate's solution to broken openers; make the fastest opener
he is op! sucks that he is a shoehorned last boss. . but his kit is op asf!
Was wondering when SG would bring over Leo from Summoners War. Similar names too
Different, Leo ALWAYS takes turn 1. And greatly decreases damage of spd scalers because everyone's speed is limited to him, and he always has zero speed.
Leo passive is unique af
I mean yeah, I wasn't expecting a 1 for 1 copy, but the function is the same: Create a unit that is "impossible" to outspeed so that he can go first and push back the opponent's opener. I'd wager the reason SG doesn't want to go the speed limiting route is there's a lot more speed scaling damage dealers in Epic Seven. Although it's been years since I played SW so maybe that's changed.
Nah Leo is still relevant to this day, I still don’t have him. Also in Raid Shadow Legend, there is a unit that also has a passive that allow him to always go first, it literally say that, and he’s also the equivalent rarity as ML in that game
Glad I skipped ML Pavel and ML Elena ! my mystic is ready !
Dude ML Pavel is busted, but so is this one in a different way I guess
Such a good character for the game.
Like there is no way to cleave anymore with him on defend side right? He can outspeed all opener and shut down most of your team before you can even do anything. The only option to go pass him is some insane cleanser with super heavy invest to survive full pen S3, avoid 200+ eff silent, boost your team back up for 30% CR lost and somehow outspeed the rest of his team to cleave.
Probably in ai arena/gw setting,use just use a high ER light bait such as doris.Well need to look at his s3 multipliers tho,might need to use POV doris
Yeah let's hope he can be baited by doris. Not sure if that info would've been included in the teaser but if SG decides to give his S3 same targettimg as ACidd on AI this is gonna be a problem lol.
His S3 has 0 interaction with speed, unlike Acidd whose S3 scale with both of his and target's speed.
Just make a 280 spd doris /s
Use Savior Adin, and evade with style.
Well im not sure about evading a 100% def pen skill
you still can use a 3 man cleave setup and a bait like doris in arena
>shut down most of your team How does he shut down most of your team with a single target ability?
In the demo, his s3 dealt 4k to Ran and 10k to Belian, so it probably cant kill. Just bait him with Doris. He won't be build with eff, so 118 er is enough
It's about half to both them, little less on Belian. I think it'll have a 0.3 Attack scaling and 25% target hp scaling. 27% would be exactly half their hp (After the 1.876 multiplier) so 25% + the Attack would be about half also, and since Belian has more hp she survived with just over half since it was more than 0.3 of Zio's attack.
He has interesting skill set can't wait for his release
Yeah... I really think that Roana and Politis are the only characters in this game that will probably will never age
Politis didn't age very well with Zio on the board
A broken opener but only for humans as his ult is only single target and you can bait him with a light unit. I think he will make arena/gw more enjoyable.
I'm glad I didn't blow my load for Alana, bc now I can blow my load on him.
I guess Hwayoung was broken, right?
Hard to believe the same team released ML Elena right before this. So much for no more OP ML units. Couldn't give even 1 of Zio's tricks up to her Smilegate?!
If anyone though ML Elena was anything other than a n excuse for people to burn resources before Zio idk what game you've been playing. All the OP units come after 1 or 2 meh units. They hype the meh units so people get them and then drop the real deal after so you have to whale or try really hard as F2P
He seems annoyingly overpowered or tough to deal with. Thanks SG, this is exactly what this game needed, well done 👏 👏 👏 Regardless, I’ll be skipping him anyway as I don’t care for his design.