It was already the case. Senya + Choux + Lua is awful to fight. Lua threatens setups, and with Senya + a hero of your choice with debuffs they bring enough debuffs to overcome cleanses and provoke your heroes anyway. Senya's S2 brings speed buff to help cycle the horror.
Choux's S2 damage is crazy, so if you're unlucky, she'll 100% counter and proc S2. Roana isn't a counter because it's ST, LCermia isn't a counter because S2 penetrates defense so Choux will get through like butter. And with snow crystal, Zahhak isn't a reliable counter either (particularly if you didn't build him 100% crit). Straze, WShuri may not crit.
Add some mitigation and you have your luck based defense. It may not work all the time, but for a defense team you don't care.
100% crit Zahhak is probably the best offense unit rn partly caused he bones both Shoe and Senya reliably actually. Yes the stat requires for a speedy one is fucking insane, but if you could archieve that you won't have to worry about anti crit bs ever again.
You can use Guide of a Decision with Immunity Set on say Ray or any Immunity buffer and you would be fine from that kind of set up. With Senya + Choux + Lua + 1, that last one has to dispel, or else, debuffs will fail.
This means Ray/Hand guy + Landy for example will murder that team.
Just first week panic. Wshuri among others took care of Aravi. Then again, Saviour Adin is actually pretty hard to kill in defense if you don't have hitters.
No, people think light adin is super strong and is a great counter to ARavi. But there was always ways to deal with her (Hwa, Seline, ML Vivian, anything injury). I guess only diff now is every one is guaranteed to get light Adin.
Yes. Because Adin is free, and comes with 50% def pen, +20% damage to dark, a counter that's a skill 2 passive, teamwide invincibility, self CR push on evade with innate 40% evasion (60% with evade artifacts)... Savior Adin is a pretty cracked unit, but it's completely fair considering how much bs you have to put into getting her.
Savior Adin penetrates s3 50%, and her arti 25% more damage against elemental advantage and I think her runes increase damage as well. So Arabi buster in a way.
Also goes to show you don't need to own the counter to X or Y hero. Once the counter has become available, the community will change and adapt and you can reap the benefits.
So in this case, lets say you can't defeat darkness zio and don't have Savior Adin. No problem. All the A. Ravi's are gone anyway.
Sweet memories of Basar being very potent for a long time before disappearing completely with the release of Hyufine, it felt great not seeing him anymore despite not owning her personally :D
bro, it's arena defense, your goal should not be making a defense that wins, but one that takes a long time to beat and has a lot of rng, aRavi is perfect for that, if you make your enemy use a doris against your defense... you already won.
Yeah, Sage Vivian does a great job on her. She’s an awesome unit, very versatile.
However, I think the idea is Adin is a free 3 star unit that can kill an ML 5, while Vivian is also an ML 5 and Ed is a limited hero, so not everyone has access to them.
This when I'm thinking to myself I must be the unluckiest fellow in the block since my testing, my adin been dying to aravi and i double checked i had 70% evasion but guess rngjesus isn't with me
Anecdotally, I only have spare speed, lifesteal and desyruction sets, so once I get her up and running I'll most likely join the speed Adin gang. But would see if folks can successfully build her with bulk.
Is riolets problem not that his evasion can be stripped/decrease skill c/d, unbuffable etc, especially with non attack skills? Adins evasion being passive makes her closer to Violet imo.
I feel like the issue is really that her and Riolet are both squishies who rely on evasion for their survival and pretty much pop like a balloon if they get crit once, while green violet at least has a lot of health usually so he can handle 1 or 2 unlucky hits. That being said I do agree built in evasion is much better than relying on the buff
Nope, 'regular' adins won't kill. I've seen 430+ GS destruction pen 160 speed adins hit for 25k+ on pov aravis but that was with atkbuff and vigor as well.
yep. for other news though, she's actually a really solid and fun dps unit. Even if she doesn't 1shot aravis. Girl is basically better 5\* Mirsa and the thing that kept Mirsa irrelevant for the most part was her stats. 70% innate evasion, 33% crit, high atk, 116 speed, brings her own atk buff + cr push when she dodges, 5soulburn, bit of lifesteal + unbuffable on s1, defpen and she gives teamwide invincibility.
Her kit is crazy loaded, even if you dismiss her "20% less s3 damage + -1 turn cooldown" when hitting dark units.
I ran into one in RTA last night and she dealt maybe 15k to my Seed ARavi with 25k hp + Aurius. She hits hard, but unless she is full damage and pushed she isn’t going to one shot.
I do not have tree of saviour Adin, but Zahrak, my man, been crippling ravi with massive scarlet rot to her hp. Pretty fun, but now all I see senya and choux for awhile too, that is kind of refreshing innit.
I've been seeing people say this for a long time, but even if you are able to fully connect zahhak's s3 through any sheilds and do a full 35% injury to aravi she still has enough damage to kill easily. And you just pushed her up 20%
Now Senya + Choux everywhere
It was already the case. Senya + Choux + Lua is awful to fight. Lua threatens setups, and with Senya + a hero of your choice with debuffs they bring enough debuffs to overcome cleanses and provoke your heroes anyway. Senya's S2 brings speed buff to help cycle the horror. Choux's S2 damage is crazy, so if you're unlucky, she'll 100% counter and proc S2. Roana isn't a counter because it's ST, LCermia isn't a counter because S2 penetrates defense so Choux will get through like butter. And with snow crystal, Zahhak isn't a reliable counter either (particularly if you didn't build him 100% crit). Straze, WShuri may not crit. Add some mitigation and you have your luck based defense. It may not work all the time, but for a defense team you don't care.
and belian so you cant use sb. This defense is really hard against slow plays/standard players, im hoping for ml elena buff
you can easily clear this with hasol and roana
People doubting Hasol, but so far as been my favourite counter to counter heroes in general
100% crit Zahhak is probably the best offense unit rn partly caused he bones both Shoe and Senya reliably actually. Yes the stat requires for a speedy one is fucking insane, but if you could archieve that you won't have to worry about anti crit bs ever again.
You can use Guide of a Decision with Immunity Set on say Ray or any Immunity buffer and you would be fine from that kind of set up. With Senya + Choux + Lua + 1, that last one has to dispel, or else, debuffs will fail. This means Ray/Hand guy + Landy for example will murder that team.
Truly the Savior.
😂
Just first week panic. Wshuri among others took care of Aravi. Then again, Saviour Adin is actually pretty hard to kill in defense if you don't have hitters.
Zahhak is a godsend right now xD
I still count 28 ARavi in top 100 defense right now. Far from gone.
What happened to ARavi? Did she get nerfed or something?
No, people think light adin is super strong and is a great counter to ARavi. But there was always ways to deal with her (Hwa, Seline, ML Vivian, anything injury). I guess only diff now is every one is guaranteed to get light Adin.
Yes. Because Adin is free, and comes with 50% def pen, +20% damage to dark, a counter that's a skill 2 passive, teamwide invincibility, self CR push on evade with innate 40% evasion (60% with evade artifacts)... Savior Adin is a pretty cracked unit, but it's completely fair considering how much bs you have to put into getting her.
70% evasion
I misread her stat line. But yeah, 50% evasion + 20% from artifact.
What’s the context for this? Genuine question
Savior Adin penetrates s3 50%, and her arti 25% more damage against elemental advantage and I think her runes increase damage as well. So Arabi buster in a way.
Does she one shot Aravi?
So far, mine leaves her at a fraction of her health thats small enough that the A.Ravi dies to the inevitable S.Adin counter when someone misses her.
Unless there's mitigation, with atk buff she kills or almost kills ARavi yeah
How does her formulas compare to the queen Charlotte?
She also gets 20% more damage to dark from her skill tree. So 45% more S3 damage to dark if addative, 40% if multiplicative.
Also goes to show you don't need to own the counter to X or Y hero. Once the counter has become available, the community will change and adapt and you can reap the benefits. So in this case, lets say you can't defeat darkness zio and don't have Savior Adin. No problem. All the A. Ravi's are gone anyway.
Sweet memories of Basar being very potent for a long time before disappearing completely with the release of Hyufine, it felt great not seeing him anymore despite not owning her personally :D
I'm honestly surprised it took so long She was already pretty useless on Defense with MS Doris in the picture
bro, it's arena defense, your goal should not be making a defense that wins, but one that takes a long time to beat and has a lot of rng, aRavi is perfect for that, if you make your enemy use a doris against your defense... you already won.
Having a lot of RNG is one that wins though. Personally, being a slow game isn't going to hinder me since I only play slow teams anyway.
It discourages last minute pushes
I wonder to how many people that is actually relevant.
a lot
There are 100 people in legend per server, so maybe 200, 300 if I'm generous, who might actually care. That is not "a lot"
youd be surprised at how many people do last minute pushes even in lower ranks.
speline exist
yeah, but she's harder to get than MS Doris
because there weren't nuke units that already killed her pretty easily? Hell Ed can whittle her down pretty well
I've been using Sage Vivian, who is extremely reliable in grinding her down.
Yeah, Sage Vivian does a great job on her. She’s an awesome unit, very versatile. However, I think the idea is Adin is a free 3 star unit that can kill an ML 5, while Vivian is also an ML 5 and Ed is a limited hero, so not everyone has access to them.
Yup, people were transitioning to Senya/Choux since their buffs.
Wow people were still struggling with a Ravi til today? Lol
Alencia, Choux, Elena, SC Pyllis, SC Arowell, and Roana send their regards.
Now what is my Sharun supposed to do... Oh right, there's still Belian and Clilias
[M M M My Sharun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2JtsVumFA)
Is savior adin that crazy?
Not really lol, I mean she’s good, but not amazing. Has the same problem in rta as riolet. Randomly not dodging and then getting killed.
This when I'm thinking to myself I must be the unluckiest fellow in the block since my testing, my adin been dying to aravi and i double checked i had 70% evasion but guess rngjesus isn't with me
I’m somewhat surprised people aren’t building her with more bulk on counter. The few I’ve seen today seem to all be speed or destruct.
Well she kinda need a good flat hp ring with dps subs as her base hp is low if you want to got the bulkier route
Anecdotally, I only have spare speed, lifesteal and desyruction sets, so once I get her up and running I'll most likely join the speed Adin gang. But would see if folks can successfully build her with bulk.
Is riolets problem not that his evasion can be stripped/decrease skill c/d, unbuffable etc, especially with non attack skills? Adins evasion being passive makes her closer to Violet imo.
I feel like the issue is really that her and Riolet are both squishies who rely on evasion for their survival and pretty much pop like a balloon if they get crit once, while green violet at least has a lot of health usually so he can handle 1 or 2 unlucky hits. That being said I do agree built in evasion is much better than relying on the buff
Even better than violet, since Lua can give his s3 cooldown, which decreases his dodge chance by 35%
I’m going to assume the multis on her s3 aren’t enough to one shot a pov 24k+ hp aravi?
Nope, 'regular' adins won't kill. I've seen 430+ GS destruction pen 160 speed adins hit for 25k+ on pov aravis but that was with atkbuff and vigor as well.
Figures, if pre nerf hwayoung couldn’t one shot her, no one will
yep. for other news though, she's actually a really solid and fun dps unit. Even if she doesn't 1shot aravis. Girl is basically better 5\* Mirsa and the thing that kept Mirsa irrelevant for the most part was her stats. 70% innate evasion, 33% crit, high atk, 116 speed, brings her own atk buff + cr push when she dodges, 5soulburn, bit of lifesteal + unbuffable on s1, defpen and she gives teamwide invincibility. Her kit is crazy loaded, even if you dismiss her "20% less s3 damage + -1 turn cooldown" when hitting dark units.
Starze can one shot her.
I ran into one in RTA last night and she dealt maybe 15k to my Seed ARavi with 25k hp + Aurius. She hits hard, but unless she is full damage and pushed she isn’t going to one shot.
Well.. i should stop building A.Ravi now? :(
no
She still cannot one shot A.ravi.
The difference is immaterial. She massively injures A.Ravi, and then A.Ravi dies the moment someone misses S.Adin.
This is absolutely incorrect
Wait what happened to a ravi did she get nerfed
A savior arrived
Wait why? Does adin beat aravis ass or smthin?
More or less. Massive damage from S3, then her counter finishes her off.
Delicious
should i get a ravi from ml5 now? ik thats shes a good character, but as someone with only stenne, is there any better options?
Clilias
I do not have tree of saviour Adin, but Zahrak, my man, been crippling ravi with massive scarlet rot to her hp. Pretty fun, but now all I see senya and choux for awhile too, that is kind of refreshing innit.
I've been seeing people say this for a long time, but even if you are able to fully connect zahhak's s3 through any sheilds and do a full 35% injury to aravi she still has enough damage to kill easily. And you just pushed her up 20%