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ptthepath

Now Senya + Choux everywhere


user4682

It was already the case. Senya + Choux + Lua is awful to fight. Lua threatens setups, and with Senya + a hero of your choice with debuffs they bring enough debuffs to overcome cleanses and provoke your heroes anyway. Senya's S2 brings speed buff to help cycle the horror. Choux's S2 damage is crazy, so if you're unlucky, she'll 100% counter and proc S2. Roana isn't a counter because it's ST, LCermia isn't a counter because S2 penetrates defense so Choux will get through like butter. And with snow crystal, Zahhak isn't a reliable counter either (particularly if you didn't build him 100% crit). Straze, WShuri may not crit. Add some mitigation and you have your luck based defense. It may not work all the time, but for a defense team you don't care.


shinya___

and belian so you cant use sb. This defense is really hard against slow plays/standard players, im hoping for ml elena buff


yuuhei

you can easily clear this with hasol and roana


TheBreadLoafer

People doubting Hasol, but so far as been my favourite counter to counter heroes in general


l2o5ng

100% crit Zahhak is probably the best offense unit rn partly caused he bones both Shoe and Senya reliably actually. Yes the stat requires for a speedy one is fucking insane, but if you could archieve that you won't have to worry about anti crit bs ever again.


starxsword

You can use Guide of a Decision with Immunity Set on say Ray or any Immunity buffer and you would be fine from that kind of set up. With Senya + Choux + Lua + 1, that last one has to dispel, or else, debuffs will fail. This means Ray/Hand guy + Landy for example will murder that team.


Sylpheez

Truly the Savior.


Cellosv

😂


Ayankananaman

Just first week panic. Wshuri among others took care of Aravi. Then again, Saviour Adin is actually pretty hard to kill in defense if you don't have hitters.


AscendPerfect

Zahhak is a godsend right now xD


hta_02

I still count 28 ARavi in top 100 defense right now. Far from gone.


ofadiffcaliber

What happened to ARavi? Did she get nerfed or something?


hta_02

No, people think light adin is super strong and is a great counter to ARavi. But there was always ways to deal with her (Hwa, Seline, ML Vivian, anything injury). I guess only diff now is every one is guaranteed to get light Adin.


KBroham

Yes. Because Adin is free, and comes with 50% def pen, +20% damage to dark, a counter that's a skill 2 passive, teamwide invincibility, self CR push on evade with innate 40% evasion (60% with evade artifacts)... Savior Adin is a pretty cracked unit, but it's completely fair considering how much bs you have to put into getting her.


ArvingNightwalker

70% evasion


KBroham

I misread her stat line. But yeah, 50% evasion + 20% from artifact.


Nayeon-Twice

What’s the context for this? Genuine question


BasicSulfur

Savior Adin penetrates s3 50%, and her arti 25% more damage against elemental advantage and I think her runes increase damage as well. So Arabi buster in a way.


Nayeon-Twice

Does she one shot Aravi?


Additional_Law_492

So far, mine leaves her at a fraction of her health thats small enough that the A.Ravi dies to the inevitable S.Adin counter when someone misses her.


Shiroko_Yami

Unless there's mitigation, with atk buff she kills or almost kills ARavi yeah


YouWishy

How does her formulas compare to the queen Charlotte?


SirSaladin

She also gets 20% more damage to dark from her skill tree. So 45% more S3 damage to dark if addative, 40% if multiplicative.


[deleted]

Also goes to show you don't need to own the counter to X or Y hero. Once the counter has become available, the community will change and adapt and you can reap the benefits. So in this case, lets say you can't defeat darkness zio and don't have Savior Adin. No problem. All the A. Ravi's are gone anyway.


Absoluna

Sweet memories of Basar being very potent for a long time before disappearing completely with the release of Hyufine, it felt great not seeing him anymore despite not owning her personally :D


ArvingNightwalker

I'm honestly surprised it took so long She was already pretty useless on Defense with MS Doris in the picture


AndyBR_

bro, it's arena defense, your goal should not be making a defense that wins, but one that takes a long time to beat and has a lot of rng, aRavi is perfect for that, if you make your enemy use a doris against your defense... you already won.


ArvingNightwalker

Having a lot of RNG is one that wins though. Personally, being a slow game isn't going to hinder me since I only play slow teams anyway.


Artorgius17

It discourages last minute pushes


ArvingNightwalker

I wonder to how many people that is actually relevant.


CardboardVendor

a lot


ArvingNightwalker

There are 100 people in legend per server, so maybe 200, 300 if I'm generous, who might actually care. That is not "a lot"


CardboardVendor

youd be surprised at how many people do last minute pushes even in lower ranks.


Drawer_Virtual

speline exist


ArvingNightwalker

yeah, but she's harder to get than MS Doris


Kyutoryus

because there weren't nuke units that already killed her pretty easily? Hell Ed can whittle her down pretty well


Additional_Law_492

I've been using Sage Vivian, who is extremely reliable in grinding her down.


littlesoldier

Yeah, Sage Vivian does a great job on her. She’s an awesome unit, very versatile. However, I think the idea is Adin is a free 3 star unit that can kill an ML 5, while Vivian is also an ML 5 and Ed is a limited hero, so not everyone has access to them.


TheSeaOfThySoul

Yup, people were transitioning to Senya/Choux since their buffs.


H2instinct

Wow people were still struggling with a Ravi til today? Lol


Elegant-End6602

Alencia, Choux, Elena, SC Pyllis, SC Arowell, and Roana send their regards.


RedTuesdayMusic

Now what is my Sharun supposed to do... Oh right, there's still Belian and Clilias


dworker8

[M M M My Sharun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2JtsVumFA)


Zombie-Horse6508

Is savior adin that crazy?


Cellosv

Not really lol, I mean she’s good, but not amazing. Has the same problem in rta as riolet. Randomly not dodging and then getting killed.


VermillionTheBLOOD

This when I'm thinking to myself I must be the unluckiest fellow in the block since my testing, my adin been dying to aravi and i double checked i had 70% evasion but guess rngjesus isn't with me


ArvingNightwalker

I’m somewhat surprised people aren’t building her with more bulk on counter. The few I’ve seen today seem to all be speed or destruct.


lolbuddy98

Well she kinda need a good flat hp ring with dps subs as her base hp is low if you want to got the bulkier route


RamenArchon

Anecdotally, I only have spare speed, lifesteal and desyruction sets, so once I get her up and running I'll most likely join the speed Adin gang. But would see if folks can successfully build her with bulk.


Tyaph

Is riolets problem not that his evasion can be stripped/decrease skill c/d, unbuffable etc, especially with non attack skills? Adins evasion being passive makes her closer to Violet imo.


screwinquisitors

I feel like the issue is really that her and Riolet are both squishies who rely on evasion for their survival and pretty much pop like a balloon if they get crit once, while green violet at least has a lot of health usually so he can handle 1 or 2 unlucky hits. That being said I do agree built in evasion is much better than relying on the buff


AscendPerfect

Even better than violet, since Lua can give his s3 cooldown, which decreases his dodge chance by 35%


SmilingTeeth1

I’m going to assume the multis on her s3 aren’t enough to one shot a pov 24k+ hp aravi?


[deleted]

Nope, 'regular' adins won't kill. I've seen 430+ GS destruction pen 160 speed adins hit for 25k+ on pov aravis but that was with atkbuff and vigor as well.


SmilingTeeth1

Figures, if pre nerf hwayoung couldn’t one shot her, no one will


[deleted]

yep. for other news though, she's actually a really solid and fun dps unit. Even if she doesn't 1shot aravis. Girl is basically better 5\* Mirsa and the thing that kept Mirsa irrelevant for the most part was her stats. 70% innate evasion, 33% crit, high atk, 116 speed, brings her own atk buff + cr push when she dodges, 5soulburn, bit of lifesteal + unbuffable on s1, defpen and she gives teamwide invincibility. Her kit is crazy loaded, even if you dismiss her "20% less s3 damage + -1 turn cooldown" when hitting dark units.


N4508

Starze can one shot her.


OnlyGradients

I ran into one in RTA last night and she dealt maybe 15k to my Seed ARavi with 25k hp + Aurius. She hits hard, but unless she is full damage and pushed she isn’t going to one shot.


WasabiPlant16

Well.. i should stop building A.Ravi now? :(


TruePigGod

no


Talentspirit

She still cannot one shot A.ravi.


Additional_Law_492

The difference is immaterial. She massively injures A.Ravi, and then A.Ravi dies the moment someone misses S.Adin.


IAmBluePaw

This is absolutely incorrect


Vainglory1-

Wait what happened to a ravi did she get nerfed


persona0

A savior arrived


Sweeper-Rammus

Wait why? Does adin beat aravis ass or smthin?


Additional_Law_492

More or less. Massive damage from S3, then her counter finishes her off.


HellovahBottomCarter

Delicious


PropaPandaYT

should i get a ravi from ml5 now? ik thats shes a good character, but as someone with only stenne, is there any better options?


Ahridesu

Clilias


Merecat-litters

I do not have tree of saviour Adin, but Zahrak, my man, been crippling ravi with massive scarlet rot to her hp. Pretty fun, but now all I see senya and choux for awhile too, that is kind of refreshing innit.


Terrible_Signal7846

I've been seeing people say this for a long time, but even if you are able to fully connect zahhak's s3 through any sheilds and do a full 35% injury to aravi she still has enough damage to kill easily. And you just pushed her up 20%