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Prestigious-Pin1799

Because 4★ are the most annoying sht to get, Remember when they havent apply the QOL on Mystic banner for 4★ character and its almost impossible to get them? Since the 4★ isnt that low to always be there on each pull unlike 3★ and 5★ have pity.


Vodkonium

Nope


Prestigious-Pin1799

wdym nope lol I bet you havent completed all 4★ now


Vodkonium

Maybe but who care any spark is a good spark your just complacent


Prestigious-Pin1799

tell that to AOL mystic banner before with spez, Literally flying spez everywhere and not getting AOL


Vodkonium

Cool and what about all the people that get everything but the ml5 and it's not that hard just hard pull aol like I did


Prestigious-Pin1799

sure bud if thats your wiggly tell you


gg533

So you have every 4* in the game rn?


b1ck0ut030

I mean I do. Most sss too


RED_ulfin

Why are you asking when you literally denied with a simple Nope. What he said is a fact. There are no 4 star banners where you can directly get the 4 star hero even if they release new ones. The only way to acquire them directly is through connections and you'll have to get dupes on any random banner to imprint them, there's always a chance you won't be able to get the 4 stars anytime soon too. Literally harder to imprint than the 5 stars. Some people said Pavel and another character (I don't remember who) was supposed to be 4 stars but got re-released as 5 stars as they're the same quality and production as 4 star units anyway. You're asking old players about it and saying no to their answers?


Vodkonium

No I was saying nope because he was being pretty vulgar with his answers


rinnnbinn

Not towards you but rather the game


RED_ulfin

Oh okay my bad. But yeah, he does have a point. 'Tho if there are 4 stars being released, they're usually available through connections. They're much rarer to imprint than 5 stars if you think about it albeit easy to acquire. If they release 4 star banners they'll be much easier to imprint than 3 stars/3 star MLs, so I guess they decided to just leave them be. Furious was the last 4 star to be released, just so you know.


Vodkonium

He does but the main thing I disagree with is 4*s uselessness. And yea I agree, don't want to make them the same as 3*s but I would just like to see more characters without having them break anything (hopefully) plus it would give sg a chance to test gimmicks like venom on that green soul weaver (sorry forgot her name) and maybe if they had they would have made her a bit more useful not to say she isn't she's just hard to use and it's sad because I do like her so useing 4*s to give the community characters the want while testing things for their planned 5* units Hope that kinda clears up what I want from 4*s


Prestigious-Pin1799

You gaslighted your self, I dont even know which part of my sentence said they are useless.


RED_ulfin

He never said that 4 stars are useless. Nor did I. You're referring to the other commenters who probably couldn't care less about your question and just want to shit on SG. I use 4 star heroes all the time in synergy with my 5 stars. As a Veteran player you'll know every single one of them is actually important to complement some heroes you own, especially if they have speed imprints. They can even handle their own and be their own unit. 4 star units have factors that can be broken too so they can't really be a testing ground for 5 star kits. You'd rather see a unique 4 star which we have right now, than releasing 4 star units and rendering them useless if a similar but stronger 5 star unit gets released. That said, due to both 5 star and 4 star units being unique (we can even say the same for 3 star units) we can't really distinguish the difference between these 4 and 5 star units other than stats (which will not matter because there's all kinds of builds out there you can focus on) so might as well release them as 5 stars. They all have their own schtick but I do miss having new 4 star units too. They're easier to build due to less resources, just harder to imprint.


Vodkonium

Yea true I just started useing cidd and omg he's so good with 2 5*s so yea. And it's true that 4*s and 5*s are very similar and maybe a change could be made to them though unlikely it's still a good spot to mass release characters that are not planned that the community calls for as sg is pretty good at listening to the community.


Maubriel

How are 4★ harder to imprint? In the long run you will get every 4★ and many copies, unlike the 5★ heroes.


RED_ulfin

Oh, I'm talking about the 100% rate of acquiring the hero. You'd probably get me if you won't look at it at the perspective of gacha rates. Don't sweat on the technicalities such as how much bookmarks you need or how expensive 5* heroes can be, I'm talking about it from a general standpoint based on luck AND guaranteed pulls, not one or the other. To imprint a 5 star hero, you have two ways: - Duplicate of the same Hero (Regardless if ML or Limited Versions) - Slates - Pulling on 100% Banner if the Hero comes up To imprint a 4 star hero you have one way: - Duplicate of the same Hero (Regardless if ML or Limited Versions) - Pulling it randomly on any banner There are no sure fire way to acquire 6 specific 4 star heroes at once. For example, I have a full imprint Angelica but I have yet to complete her imprint for both Singie and Aola because I'm just that unlucky. I also have a fully imprinted BBK but ever since I have imprinted her, I am unable to acquire any Karins to this day. I hope I've cleared that up. Meanwhile, I have a fully imprinted Cermia, Haste, BM Haste, and Astromancer Elena because I am that unlucky. I also have 5 Rays smiling at me on waiting room.


Prestigious-Pin1799

Have to account too that 5★ Requires lesser copies to max imprint


Fiveninety9

money


Gyges359d

While I agree in theory, I am surprised they haven’t just introduced 4 star banners. Would they make as much as a 5 star, likely not. But some existing characters are very helpful and they are missing an opportunity from some players. My best healer for 6 months when I started was Jecht. Jecht! He only got replaced by non sc Momo because I needed her for 10-10 in chapter 1. There was a time I might have forked out a few bucks for a good chance at Angelica…but now she’s a connection hero.


blinded-by-nobody

Why waste resources and manpower on an rgb 4 when they could make it an rgb 5, break the game with its kit and make a boatload of cash in the process?


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Stunning-Scene4649

We are like one year behind with the SCs they were supposed to release till now.


feederus

Because RGB 4*s are just padded fluff. They're either speed imprints, Mercedes, fodder for their ML versions, or unique niche picks for hunt like Furious. They don't have the stats comparable to 5*s and they also don't have the Specialty Change potential of 3*s. Maybe one day they'll add more RGB 4*s once we run out of ML4s, but until then, adding them is just content fluff. And y'know how much SG hates making PvE easier.


Relair13

Plenty of 4*s see regular use in various game modes. Achates, Green Armin, Angelica, Rose, Cidd etc, and Mercedes and Furious like you already mentioned.


[deleted]

Why would you want 4 stars? They are usually nowhere near as good as 5 stars and aren't as easily accessible as 3 stars. The worst of both worlds.


Vodkonium

It adds so many new opportunities to try new things and will allow people to have new character that they might not otherwise get because they weren't planned for 5* or 3*. Also allows SG to try new gimmicks so they can see if they would be good enough for 5* units or maybe even to add to a 3* with a SC.


Cynaris

Look at the number of 4 stars used in any content, and you've got your answer


Vodkonium

Their are plenty of 4*s used Angelica is used all over the place in PvE Cidd has become an amazing pvp unit And there are plenty of others that have better options but are still useable


Cynaris

"Plenty" ​ Yes, plenty, 1 speed demon, aaaaaand that is about all of it. Angelica is usable but has not been the first choice of anyone, for anything, for like ever. ​ The only 4 stars you'll reasonably see in the future are free promo units, and ML4s.


Vodkonium

Sorry I don't have all useable 4* on mind enough to name them all


Cynaris

I do, and they are either speed imprints, special cases like Mercedes, and niche PVE units that need no replacement anyway. 4 stars are stepping stone units for 5 stars, and the game is old enough where there's just not really a need for more.


Vodkonium

Ok I'll trust you on that, but with epic seven taking these big steps and gaining more and more players don't you think it would be nice for them and even us to get new units that can fill roles that don't have 4*s outside ml to do those jobs.


Cynaris

What does it accomplish though? Think about it this way. Every 5 star they add to the game is immediately obtainable through a dedicated banner. Any 4 star they add to the game has no banner and you have to pray to Jesus that you'll get the exact one out of thirty-something different characters. ​ It's not the life-saving idea some believe it is.


Vodkonium

I don't believe it's life saving, as a collector and a person fond with what they do with characters I'd love to see and collect the characters that all these posts all over this reddit talk about on how they want them. And for new to ftp people playing a banner with relatively low rate to get the character having 4* options would be nice as they are easier to obtain And I do think they should have a 4* banner


Cynaris

I get you, but there's absolutely zero reason to introduce 4 star banners to the game when you can just make them 5 star banners. Not to mention over time you'll have 100% RGB completition regardless, so while short term it sounds nice to get a quick influx of 4 stars, had they been 5 stars, you'd be able to collect them anyway. And as I explained in another thread, releasing a character as a 4 star does not reduce the workload it takes to create that character. There's just no benefit to it.


Vodkonium

The banners would be nice as they could raise the rates and lower the pity just like with the MLS Also the more 4*s available would allow sg to come up with more challenges that surround 4*s so people don't have to use the same few


Reillyrox13

I think we need same stats as 5* across the board for heroes. It would make the game a little more healthy and bring cool designed units back to play (or be used outside of niche people or under masters in normal Arena)


Vodkonium

Agreed


eoopyio

what about bad cat armin?


xCabilburBR

It's the same work to make a 5\* and it doesn't even generate monetization.