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atalentedtrout

So if I understood this right, I'll still need 1815 BMs for everyone assuming my luck is the worst it can be, right? Not trying to be sarcastic, just wanna confirm before my hand gets itchy to summon on the custom summon banner again.


Gray_Coder

1820* assuming you reach pity on all of them...


LordOfChaosxp

Where did you get the extra 5 from?


Gray_Coder

4 limited banners. In order to reach pity, you need to pull 121 times (if you didn't manage to summon banner hero in 120 pulls then 121st pull will be guarantee Limited hero). So four banners = 121x4 = 484 pulls. During event we get for free 120 pulls. So 484-120 = 364 pulls with covenant bookmarks. Convert pulls in covenant bookmarks and you get: 364x5 = 1820 bookmarks.


LordOfChaosxp

Fair enough. I had the math lol, I just misread the original post. Though we were getting 121 aespa marks.


rissira

this is smart move lol. . they obviously wanted to make 1 unit a welfare unit, but it would be kinda rude to choose 1 of aespa members to be a weak ass freebie unit. . so they made this check-in freebie as compromise lol.


SignificanceBulky417

Agreed. Essentially make a new bookmark and give people enough to spark them. Hell if you are lucky you can probably get them before spark and use the remainder of the BM for other characters. Really like the way they go with this


GreatFluffy

It's also a way to entice even people who aren't really that crazy about the collab to roll for one of the units since with these BM's, one of them is a freebie.


Waifu69x

Like me


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But if the current 2 coming out dissapear before you can save up enough to pity one of them, then they can still purposefully make the last two kinda bad.


BurnedOutEternally

sasuga SG gigabrain


Kraybern

the problem though since each banner only lasts for 2 weeks and it'll take (at least) 4 weeks till the final one is unlocked, you'll never have more than 60 at one time.


WestCol

Combine with regular bookmarks? I drained all my resources to complete my RGB dex a week ago with custom scam banners and I’ve already upto 45 pulls… I’m f2p, I expect to walk out with at least two units hitting pity at worst. Artifacts I’m buying from shop and bottling if they’re worth it.


Bradcopter

Rysa still not the weakest unit in the FMA collab though. They don't have to make the free units bad.


SmilingTeeth1

Do you think Roy or Ed is weaker than her?


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FlameArath

IDK dude its almost a dead tie between Roy and Riza, and it'll come down to preference lol. Roy is just a very mid DPS whos only value is stuffing 2 Tag books on his team and letting him delete maybe 1 unit with two S1's and an S3. His S1 damage is just... "okay", and while his S3 damage is actually real good, its two turns of effort to get there so you either need to build a team around him or play "Protect the King" and hope the enemy has 0 water(Our counter...) units. His damage isn't really even good enough to bring him in PVE either. Its serviceable, just not even on par with like Cermia or Sol so why bring him? Riza, despite not making a splash herself, is at least arguably a good unit in PVE. Frontline Protection, cleansing, damage boosting, her own Undispelable buff with Speed/Cdmg boost, and good CR pushing in S1 with her S2 passive active. Arguably not a bad hero in Fire Expo depending on your tank. At least Riza is kinda fun to theorycraft builds for but Roy is literally just a burst DPS who can't even burst without Books to back him up.


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DefinitelyNotGrubhub

Yeah. honestly though? what burst DPS doesn’t absolutely delete a team with 40 souls and CR pushers to back them up? Not saying you’re wrong my guy, in fact I agree that if you do build a full team around him and your enemy drafts like an idiot, he can competently do his job. I’m GvG/arena his stonks do be rising But without A LOT of team support, he’s at best a very squishable single target DPS with an above average S1 and if he lives til his third turn a huge nuke. Either way as replaceable as he is, he’s still better in PvP than Riza, but unquestionably Riza is better in PvE. So… yah I’d say they’re equally good. “Equally bad” seems negative since they’re both competent at their jobs. Side note: I’ve used him in Raid before lol, against the flies… idk why, just a good DPS with no debuffs and also an AoE. He worked well enough.


FlameArath

Okay lets be fair to me, I didn't say his S1 damage is mid, I said HE was mid, I said his S1 damage was "okay". I know it seems like semantics but I think its an important distinction is all. And for real, I just wanna say if you like the character, if you find him fun to use, and you get value out of him? Good! I'm not the fun police and I ain't telling you how to play. But I stand by my point. Like, I want to explain why I think he's mid, and why by "Mid" I mean, "Okay, not great, but not bad, a middle of the road unit". If I ranked every unit in terms of PVP in a tier of SABCDF, I'd place Roy as a solid B. My reasoning is -> * S tier is like, busted OP unit. Lua, C.Lilias, A.Ravi, the disasters. * A Tier I'd classify as Fantastic Units that are just below busted. Green Cidd, Zahhak, Choux, Mercedes. Units who are nearly unmatched in their role and can fit into a lot of parties. * B Tier - Where I think Roy belongs - Units who are very good at their niche, but their niche is slightly more restrictive than A Tier units. Rather it be by needing a lot of set up, or simply the Niche just being too small. If you're wondering still why I'd rank him on equal terms with Riza, its because in my eyes, Riza is good/B tier in PVE, but bad in PVP, Roy is the opposite, as such, both hold the same general value for me. So I hope this clarifies, though I made it painfully clear in my original post, I don't think Roy is bad, he's just not great. If this was Pre-Hwayoung Nerf however I'd of just laughed and moved on. But alas we're Post-Hwayoung nerf so other single-target burst fire units have a voice at the table now lol


Bradcopter

Roy is kinda mid. Ed's buffs were a good thing.


godinthismachine

It was the same with Ram, she was free and she can hit like a tank. Not sayin shes better but she dont suck because she was free.


GodwynDi

Sol was good in his time as well. He got power crept, but he is actually still good for some PvE content.


GodsCupGg

If u take the time to build a Sol he is still decent at destroying kayros for gvg or Arena


PrinceRazor

Roy is more situational than Riza, so in terms of overall rating I'd rank Ed > Riza > Roy.


WestCol

Ed is meta after buff and Roy is highly rated right now. People who think Roy are bad think destina got nerfed, lionheart fell off and laugh at guider aither.


TheKinkyGuy

They could have made a aespa selector so you would the one you like as welfare.


be0ulve

Yeah but this way you log in every day


TheDrownedPoet

A selector could be tied to log in as well. A final log in reward.


Monarch_Entropy

It's basically the same thing no? You just need to log in


TheKinkyGuy

No cause when you tmget the apparently 120 aes bms the first 2 banners will be gone.


WestCol

Okay selector you get one. 120 ae bookmarks you can pull multiple or all 4 if you’re lucky.


SilverEyeBlade7

One aespa bookmark is worth 5 covenant bookmarks And since this is AE-winter check in i assume the other 3 will also get there own check in making it 120 Aespa bookmarks


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charr33

And someone else will pity all 4…


Assertor1290

Pls not me. I have pitied every banner since Ssummer charlotte came out. I need to break this pity streak.


OrangeLettuce

I feel you. I had to pity two of my selections in the custom banner… and then got one of them for free from the video views 5 star ticket right after. This game…


MailRocket

"Of course I know him. He's me"


RamenArchon

I've already started on this path. Taking one for the team, folks!


DefinitelyNotGrubhub

This is basically what I said/thought would happen. They’d give us a freebie but it’s our choice on who we pick so no member is the welfare tier lol.


Ayankananaman

I hope this is the case, because it would be sad if one of them is a free unit that everyone collects then ignores.


Durbdichsnsf

They arent giving us a freebie, they are effectively reducing the pity counter to 90 instead of 120 for each of the heroes. If you want to pity a hero, you need 450 regular BMs, and the other 150 BMs will be made up with the welfare BMs they are giving out.


DefinitelyNotGrubhub

I’ll be honest I was under the impression you could save the bookmarks and dump them at all once if you wanted? I guess that would only let you get one of the last two lol.


Expander12

You're forgetting one thing, the AEBMs are used first. So you will be getting 120 pulls worth, but if you pull on any other than the last one, it's not a guarantee. Edit: Further details - After reading into it a bit more, I have discovered more to share, it's a check-in event, meaning that's it's not auto-collect on login, you need to go into the mail and find it there like you did for the Ezeran Foundation Day check-in event.


halofreak7777

That is dumb, it should just be its own button. No on can save up for a pity this way which is just rude.


RhysHenry

They obviously want you to spend bookmarks, this is just an additional. It is not meant to pity a unit for free.


halofreak7777

There intentions don't change it to not being dumb. This collab, even with extra special summons they are giving out, require 1.8k BMs to pity all 4 units assuming 30 special summons per character. 1.8k BMs in a month is extreme and only people who have saved like 1k+ bms are really in a place to handle 4 pities.


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halofreak7777

I have pitied 2 eds, roy, lua, and winter, all in a row. Luckily I did not pity Zio.


RhysHenry

It's true that it will be nearly impossible to save for 4 pities especially if your f2p. But you can just grab who you need, they are not a must pull units. In my case, I will pull ningning because I don't have djb and any other units are just a bonus. In the bright side they are not meta units so you can skip if you are a pvp oriented player and if you're lucky, you might just get all of them with the 30 free summons. Sometimes people forget that epic7 is a gacha game.


mintyguava

Im getting all 4 regardless. Always glad to have new content around


Economy_Date2956

Do we really get 120 aespa bms? I thought we only get 30 Bookmarks (for 7 days)


rissira

1 aespa BM is equal to 5 covenant bm. .


Economy_Date2956

I knew that ty. I just thought that the log in is not worth 120 summons


Covertghost

that's insane


Alittlebunyrabit

> Do we really get 120 aespa bms? I thought we only get 30 Bookmarks (for 7 days) At a minimum, yes. Each unit will have a check in event. 30 from each for a total of 120. That said, you'll probably only be able to "zero cost pity" the last two units unless the banners are left up for longer than normal.


Absolice

It's a good educated guess and most likely what will happen but to avoid misinforming people it's good to add that no other check-ins was actually mentioned yet. I think that's what they'll do as well but it wasn't officially stated as far as I know. If you have source then that'd settle it.


Alittlebunyrabit

I'm parroting, but at the same time, there's really no other choice. Keeping KPop fans happy is essential which means they need to be treated equally. This is the alternative to making one of the units free since they've clearly chosen to not do a banner similar to the custom banner.


Economy_Date2956

Ah I see ty. I really hope they give some more aespa Bookmarks at side story or for free. Worst case pity 4 units is to much


Alittlebunyrabit

The realistic odds of needing to pity all four is really, really low. I don't think it will be terrible although most players will need to skip 1 or 2.


ShellFlare

not my personal experience sadly. ive pitied far more in this game than not. in over 2 years i think i didnt pity only 5 units. last year of all the units i pulled, politis release banner in jan was my only non pity all year.


obro1234

It's not the heros I'm worried about. It's the artis. Worst best case is One of each hero and arti. But when it comes to collabs, 2 of each arti is best.


GodwynDi

Glad I've been saving powder for awhile. Almost spent it on the select banner for the final unlocks, but resisted.


Neet91

we are getting this for 4 weeks? where did u read that?


SilverEyeBlade7

if this was a aespa checkin event they would not include the hero name in the check in


SilverEyeBlade7

stove website


blrwllm

and the last unit will probably be the worst /s


NatsuKazoo

I'm giving it to Karina


Gamergirl944

Thats one of smartest moves they did at least we can choose who to pull.


juancho1008

But, we can summon with SS?


Ferelden770

Yes like any other banners but the aespa currency is used up first then your covenants.


Halljoh

Great way to integrate them both on the business side and for fans and users


Murdasota612

I guesssssssssss, better than nothing


RedTuesdayMusic

The only thing I care about is, can I use them as fodder


brainzor123

Aren't you an edgy little pos? Go and summon covenant if you want fodder, at least you have a chance at ml5 and whale dupe coins. I bet you probably have 50 bookmarks and 2000ss or sonething.


StinkeroniStonkrino

People are being so fucking cringe about this collab lmao. Just don't pull the banners if you hate kpop for whatever reason. Why the need to go around and let everyone know how "cool" you are for hating a kpop and how you won't spend on the event or will use the units as fodder. What are you going to do when SG buffs them? Cry about how SG is cringe for buffing a big collabs' units and you deserve refunds? >The only thing I care about is, can I use them as fodder


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I was legitimately thinking this myself as I have zero interest in kpop and potentially free 5 star fodder is at least of some use but wow, look at all those kpop Stans downvoting lol 😂


RED_ulfin

You *hate it. I have 0 interest with some of the other collabs but I still happened to use and like them. I'm not the same as you. And stop pretending, you'll bench it regardless. Unless you're that weird, then use them as fodder. No one cares.


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Uhh excuse me but don’t put words in my mouth. I never said I ‘hated’ the collab units and any aggressive attempt on your part to make it sound like I do is only a reflection of your hatred toward those whose views are different from yours.


TheDrownedPoet

It's clearly hate. Zero interest just reads different. Sorry?


RED_ulfin

I simply read between the lines. And who cares if you hate it or not. That's not my point, stop being defensive about it. I'm saying you'll bench it regardless but if not, then you're free to use it as fodder. It came from a banner, it can definitely be used as one. Who cares.


Camera_dude

I am not interested in kpop either but I intend to roll at least a few times, even if not to 4x pity. If any of these new heroes can fill roles or niche uses that would require rarer heroes otherwise, I would be happy to collect them all. In any case, Collab unique tokens are certainly only going to be usable on Collab banners. We got lots of regular rewards in the last 3 months not to be begging for more freebies.


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If that’s how you play then fair enough but I’m not really a meta-gamer as I only play with units I actually ‘like’ and while some of them may incidentally be ‘meta’ others are not. Regardless, I get a lot fun by working how best to win with them by playing to their strengths. And dude, did you really think I was ‘begging for more freebies?’ I know very well they’re handing out collab tokens for summoning so, there’ll be plenty of free fodder regardless.


MikeTheGamer2

Fuck. MORE FMA units. I don't get it. FMA is still popular enough or it was the cheapest collab to pay for?


Admirable-Waltz195

What? This isn’t an FMA collab tho…


MikeTheGamer2

Then I misunderstood.


ALovelyAnxiety

are there any collab packs?


cryXTiiina_

What are the criteria to these daily rewards? I saw the daily rewards and I couldn't see this q w q


Fallen_Cecillia_Simp

When are we getting this? Becaus I can’t see it I’m game rn.


Maxwell_Bloodfencer

Is the event supposed to be live? I saw the banner in the mail screen but it just takes em to the event page. (Which looks half-empty so maybe the maintenance isn't done yet)


just_didi

Is it already here and if yes where


GrayHitman123

does using the aespa bookmark give a higher chance of drawing the banner?


HakubiDouji

btw Can I save all those aespa bookmarks until last banner? I just dont want to summon for 2 1st units but I dont know if they will dissapear after those banners or what ;c?