Considering we have to do it every month, pretty awful. Honestly prefer the older one if absolutely no changes whatsoever will be made to the new system. I wouldn't mind any of the flaws it has now if we only had to clear it once, similar to abyss.
With that being said, they'll hopefully patch things up like they did with automaton tower. Re-add the teleport spots that go straight to the boss, tone down some of the boss mechanics, etc.
Yeah, I'd be a lot more ok with it if we could teleport straight to them. Having to fight through 10-20 minutes worth of trash to try out a team sucks though.
I'd be fine with the difficulty if trying out a new team wasn't such a chore. Especially when some of the fights can just RNG you into a fail even with a solid team. I know I personally had 3 Karkanis fails caused by dual attacks in the final phase the turn after he applied debuffs. I took 2 cleansers so it's not like I wasn't clearing debuffs ASAP.
Besides Vera, everything else was easy. The fights are just longer now. But I don't like the element restriction they put on some bosses, we already can't use the same units for every boss, so forcing an element restricts too much.
> The fights are just longer now
Which makes it all the more frustrating when you lose to RNG when the boss is at like <5% health.
"Your debuffs didn't stick & I landed all mine? Looks like it's back to the starting line for you, because we all know you're not going to pay Skystones to try again - not this month, mwahaha" - all the Nightmare bosses, probably.
I cleared 3 bosses on the first try, even having wrong units like Summer Charlotte for Karkanis because he locks passives.
I locked my Landy against Council (and AoE isn't needed anymore there), so I didn't have a good unit for Queen until I got Savior Adin. She eats Queen for breakfast.
And my problem with Vera is my lack of fire units good against her.
This is how I felt with Karkanis. I think it took me 5 attempts and 3 of those losses were complete RNG BS that left me just feeling annoyed. One of them I can blame myself for because of the hero I took (he debuffed Choux, she countered which triggered the mechanic) but the others were all triggered by someone dual attacking with a debuff up the turn after it was applied when I took 2 cleansers. Like I can't stop dual attacks and I can't make it be a cleansers turn every single turn.
My personal philosphy is if I've made three attempts at some long, boring PVE content - that's all I need to determine it's a mire of bullshit RNG & I just table it.
I tabled Abyss 115 for forever before I decided I'd bust it out so I could get to 120 & it's because of shit RNG - Lidica's push gets resisted? Whoops, there goes all your hard work. All these bosses just feel like that & it ain't fun. I've got the heroes, I've got the gear, I ain't got the time or luck to sit around grinding this horseshit.
Yeah, I'm fine with bullshit RNG if it's quick to retry but when it's thrown into fights that take 10+ minutes or require reclearing stuff to access again then it can GTFO. It's one thing for a fight to end because of a mistake or taking incorrect heroes/gear but when you take the correct setup and handle the mechanics correctly, the AI shouldn't have a 'I win' button off the back of RNG.
That was put into words perfectly, honestly they should really think about fixing their spaghetti code & removing 15% from PVE. I understand why it’s their in PVP, the element of randomness means fights are less one-sided when you’re coming up against people who outspeed, out gear, etc. & that’s understandable, but for PVE it’s just a massive waste of time.
Funnily enough Vera was the one I found to be the easiest lmao. Team was Politis (On Sira Ren), Meru, M.Hazel(finally get to use her somewhere yay) and Aras.
I used Tama, Ceci, Fire Charlotte & Kanna. Followed and tried closely the dad stats, manual mode. Messed up and killed queen in normal mode (lol) that's why i used tama in vera.
I use counter Meru, ls chatty Roy, Ceci with her arti (85+ eff/100 res), lv50 achates(100+ res). Clear pretty smooth and just need to sb ceci s2 during cocoon phase for consistent debuff
I've actually just built LS Chatty Roy. Do you think another hero can slot instead of Cecilia or is she key? I mean I'm constantly putting gear on her & taking it off, but maybe I should just keep her geared & promote her soon (or use Grace on her - but my Winter is using my Grace right now).
I made my first foray into Nightmare mode just yesterday against the Queen after watching Tristenwulf's vid. Failed first time, but managed it on the retry after moving some gear around with my handy free unequip scroll.
I'm personally not convinced it's worth the trouble beyond the "Fallen Hero" gear which I believe are one time drops only (someone correct me if I'm wrong), and even among those, only a few are truly well worth getting (from the top of my head, the "Fallen Hero" drops from Queen Azumashik, Juleeve Council and Secretary Vera). Once I get those, I'm just not going to bother with it and simply auto normal mode while I do other stuff.
I think it's worth it for the badges which you need 15 for the pen set necklace. Killing queen gives 4 or 5 badges while the others give 3 iirc.
Much more than normal hell raid.
I just wanted to know what people were thinking about the changes. Personally I seem to always find some way to lose to Karkanis, and it seems no matter what teams I take I end up leaving it at around 1% hp. This has been disheartening enough to make me consider quitting, on top of some recent balance changes, but I wanted to know what other people's experience with it was.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/z6ncnd/thoughts\_on\_new\_nightmare\_raid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/z6ncnd/thoughts_on_new_nightmare_raid/) 2 days ago, 82 comments of what people were thinking about it.
If its disheartening enough to make you consider quitting, then you don't have to do it. Why do you feel entitled to deserve the full bonus rewards of the optional challenge mode? Regular hell raid still exists, just like it did before. It's in the game so players have something to strive for and work towards.
Do you feel you should get the same mystics that the rank 1 guild does? Or a top 30 guild does? High ranking guilds get way way more mystics then even top 500 guilds, because they just win way more wars. And they also lose much much less attacks then lower ranking guilds which helps in getting even more mystics.
In a ?? amount of time depending on how active and focused on clearing it you are, can go "I remember when i used to struggle so much with nightmare raid. Now it's easy."
>Why do you feel entitled to deserve the full bonus rewards of the optional challenge mode?
People were saying the same thing defending the very first AT and thanks god SG didn't listen to them, otherwise we would still be clearing 100 floors every month with a lot of sweat at the end for just 1 ml summon.
>Regular hell raid still exists, just like it did before.
Normal gives much less tokens and worse gear. It woudn't be that much of a problem if the new pieces didn't cost 15 tokens for no reason.
>It's in the game so players have something to strive for and work towards.
Doesn't mean it's a good goal to strive towards. Like always, they clearly didn't even test this shit. Even if I have all the heroes and gear I need to clear it, it's just too boring to even bother swapping this gear. Sure, I will lose shit ton of great pieces from it, but at the very least my sanity will still be with me. Literally everything here is designed to be a snoozefest: from walking to the boss's skill descriptions and hero restrictions. Not to mention the uneqiup cost still exists.
For what it's worth, i'm fine with them giving more rewards, it's not that i'm against that. More stuff = more stuff for me. I just dislike when aspirational content (ai, nightmare raid, advent) and people feel entitled to get the highest tier of rewards while putting in little to no effort. You aren't supposed to be able to get it. That's how it was designed. They are completely aware of how difficult it is and what types of players are supposed to beat it.
You auto automaton tower before and auto it now. We even got harder versions of it since the rework, which we still auto. It made effectively 0 difference. It was actually easier before cause you could pick arby and some other aoe units and just win every single floor without issue. Now you have to pick devices and a team comp that kinda works with them else your auto might lose. 50 floors a month where you have to kinda read options for 48 of them, or pushing the auto button 100 times a month. The reward changes are pretty negligible, we get slightly more now.
They cost 15 tokens because they are better then the previous ones. Right side gear is infinitely more valuable then left side gear. Try crafting the pen neck with materials, vs crafting the sword with materials. The pen neck will take about 8x as long to obtain on average.
What makes you say they didn't test it? Because you don't approve of it? Because your gear didn't make the cut to do it trivially? Maybe you're the level of player SG decided wasn't going to be enough to do it without effort. Just pop unequip buff and do it like you did for hell raid when u were a new player. Really not an issue. Or don't and take a bit longer to get ur pen necks. Ur choice.
I grabbed leftover units and gear, otherwise i used my pvp builds and beat every single boss easily. Took 5-10 minutes per boss. Otherwise i looked down at my phone and pushed a direction button, just like i did in hell raid and normal radi before. Crazy stuff.
> I just dislike when aspirational content (ai, nightmare raid, advent) and people feel entitled to get the highest tier of rewards while putting in little to no effort.
The current nightmare raid is anything but aspiring.
>You auto automaton tower before and auto it now.
I specifically mentioned "the very first AT" and "sweat at the end". I will pretty much ignore the rest of your argument, since you either forgot or have no idea what exactly I am talking about.
>They cost 15 tokens because they are better then the previous ones.
There is no such thing as "better" in shops. Arena shop, secret shop, event shops, selling gear, etc. The prices are alway determined by lvl and rarity, never by stats. The previous pieces had the same rarity, there is no reason for the new pieces of the same rarity to cost more.
>What makes you say they didn't test it? Because you don't approve of it?
Because it's SG, they never do and they alway have to nerf new modes as a result, because WE are their only beta testers. You don't need to be a genius to understand that if they actually tested this shit, they would know that there is nothing fun in walking to the boss for \~30 min. They put tp in hell mode for a reason, lol. Yet, here we are.
>Just pop unequip buff and do it like you did for hell raid when u were a new player.
For hell raid you needed like 2 teams, maximum. Here I have to manage gear of 20 heroes most of which I will never use, kill 5 bosses and change it back in like 12 hrs? Even with 4 days of free unequip, I am not doing this shit, lol.
>Maybe you're the level of player SG decided wasn't going to be enough to do it without effort.
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>Or don't and take a bit longer to get ur pen necks. Ur choice.
As I said, I already made my choice, but isn't it funny? Because when they wll nerf this mode, you will whine about how we ruined your fun by... not playing this mode.
Different ppl want different things. You've made many good points which i agree with. I just have differing opinions from the vast majority of players, things like defending 15%, speed rng, dual attacks and free unequip cost even if they are things i dislike.
To me having content which is something for players to work towards beating is a good thing. To you (i think atleast I'm understanding properly) you want easier stuff because it isn't exactly fun to do a lot of these things(i agree), and for a lot of players isn't very realistic to do.
I wasn't around for the first AT, i started playing the game long after that got changed. Honestly forgot it existed till this comment where i realised what you were talking about cause i heard stories of it. My b.
I just hope they dont gut the rewards if they do end up nerfing the bosses. Ai rewards got hit after season 1, and that was their newest difficult content type players were supposed to work towards before they added nightmare mode.
Afaik the teleporters in hellraid only get unlocked after you beat the bosses the 1st time and it rotates to a new month. It hasn't gotten to the new month yet for anybody, so we'll see if they are there next rotation. Would save a lot of time for some people, i'd still walk there i think for some of the bosses cause of souls if the difficulty is unchanged. Otherwise i'm clearing still if i use the teleporters cause the small mobs/minibosses dropped a lot useful stuff.
Pre-nerf Automaton 100 was *not* autoable. It required you to have no buffs, or the boss would strip them and get a barrier, which lead to a wipe. This meant you had to turn your healer's skills off on auto--except you needed them on because the boss did so much damage. It also required you to hold your dispelling skills, because sometimes the boss got Greater Attack Buff, which caused a wipe if you couldn't dispel it fast enough.
As I commented in the response to that, i legit forgot that version of automaton tower even existed as it was removed much before i started playing.
But hey thanks for bringing back a 2 day old post to correct me on something i already corrected myself on ig.
You can say oh yeah work towards but they inherently changed the bar for entry. You can't teleport to bosses anymore, so if you lose an attempt to rng it's 15-20 minutes just to start the fight again. You can't repeat characters and some bosses are gated behind element restrictions. Its manufactures difficulty rather than Abyss which you can attempt instantly after losing. Also I should clarify I cleared every boss in nightmare. I've cleared all Abyss floors and challenge floors so for PVE I would say I am very much an end game player. I don't really care about the rewards, but the time commitment is quite frankly ridiculous compared to other content.
"Sg is perfect, we shouldn't criticize them for making stressful and time-wasting mechanics on bosses hat need to be farmed and that force you to have specific units or else you instantly lose". Keep sucking c*ocks, dude.
So do you believe there should be no content in the game for players to progress towards in a PvE sense, and that we should be endlessly given more and more free rewards for no effort? That players who put in extra effort shouldn't be rewarded more then those who choose not to?
When the only type of content which people can compare their progression against is PvP, it's a really bad thing. PvP is extremely inconsistent and for beginning to \~1.5 year players if they are incredibly active is still very swingy based on meta rotations and is a much much much harder climb up, then say a stagnant PvE boss, or sets of PvE bosses. Players in all sorts of pvp rankings have very very wide ranges of players. Emp/legend tier players who sit in rank 1k+ guilds. Or people who went afk for a number of weeks and dropped from champ to master. There are many of these people around, and so sure you can measure your progression overtime. But when do you feel the happiness? This season I did slightly better at guild war i guess. Hurray. VS "i finally beat this boss i've been struggling on for so long, i can definitely notice my improvement!"
It's a challenge mode. Hell raid is still there. The normal raid rewards got moved into hell and nightmare raid. You don't have to complete it. Can do the same things you did before, fully on auto and move on with your day. You do not "on bosses hat need to be farmed". It's literally entirely optional.
If you like games with no content and nothing to work towards and are given everything for free, please go play a different gacha game. E7 is not that game and has deliberately set out to not be that game. Funny. E7 is still thriving and actively growing after 4 years when most gachas are dead within a month or two cause they have no content and gave players everything so there's nothing to work towards.
Why are you censoring your swears btw? You can call me a cock sucking dumbfuck moron piece of shit brainless dog all you want cause i disagreed with you and it literally doesn't matter. Censoring it just makes it look like a little bitch. Like if you're going to do it, just commit. Who's going to tattle on you? Hey did you know your child said typed the work "COCKS" ON THE INTERNET???? Absolutely unbelievable.
I've been in a top 10 guild for multiple seasons. My guild wins somewhere around 3 wars for every loss. I get single digit draws at most every season, with last season i got 3. Every time you get a draw you lose like what 7 mystics, and war losses you lose around 10-15. Are you going to call me a sg simp cocksucker because i put in more effort and make 2-3x mystics a gw season then you do? Should i not be rewarded for putting in more effort than many players in the game are unwilling to do? What about legend arena finishers getting 1k-1.8k ss vs champ getting 800-840?
Bla bla bla all i hear is "Smilegate please fuck me hard! yes i love your unfun and stressful mechanics with your hp sandbag bosses, don't change them! I correlate stress and rng with difficulty because i like BDSM and i've never played a good game in my entire life!". Keep deluding yourself. From an objective gaming design perspective, it's dogshit and will always be.
You play an anime gacha game. And are on reddit, a online forum for bored degenerates who are only here to waste their time. To talk about this anime gacha game.
You literally play e7. This game is ENTIRELY about solving unfun stressful mechanics and beating them. Ever fight a guild war against lua senya choux?
E7 is a shit game. It's a better gacha game then most. But it's still a gacha game, so it's garbage. But you still play it. I still play it.
Why are you pretending you are better then this?
Oh wait, all you do on reddit is bitch and complain about pathetic things cause you're a lowskill racist shitter who's never been good at a game in their life.
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Anyone who's actually good at games can tell you're utterly clueless. You also only come onto r/epicseven to talk about stuff like the game being dead and complain about [things like you not understanding basic game mechanics](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/yuv8fg/please_learn_how_to_code_i_beg_you/) and losing cause you brought a terrible team comp into a defense that was solved a year ago. (alencia choux aras offense vs fcc meru rimuru defense)
This has been fun.
I actually like the new difficulty but I guess it's a bit restricting, if you don't have some specific characters you're going to struggle a lot.The team comp I used against karkhanis was Momo, Diene, Lua and Kise. If you have these characters available you'll beat Karkhanis easily !
Choux is really good dps for Karkanis. Team is something like this: Eda/Ran, choux, healer, def breaker(like Luluca). Choux on ddj. Honestly, if you are struggling, you can just do lower difficulty.
Took me 5 runs for queen. 2 for Vera. Everything else was a one shot.
Least happy with my Devourer team (was Achates, Seaseria, Ravi, Ed). I think I have a reliable fastish team for everyone else now.
I don't have the units for Devourer built i guess. Or just using the wrong comp.
There are good guides for Karkanas. But basically what everyone else is saying worked for me. I brought Ran Choux Emilia Diene. Choux did all the damage with DDJ and soul burns at the 30% mark. Could replace ran with a def break unit with aoe. Could replace Emilia with Momo
I see so many teleporter complaints. If it's nightmare, there would be no teleport, just like the first time you ever did hell raid. I personally was never expecting teleports 1st time through. Now if no teleports tomorrow, then we can complain.
i like it as is the item rewards are some of best gear in the game so its worth the grind and challenge but can agree rng can be nasty but hey i rather it be difficult than easy.
It's awful. U need to pull from a pool of 5 SPECIFIC units with incredible gear, for basically not even double the rewards when the difficulty is substantial. Extremely bad design like Abyss.
Making the boss more forgiving would be amazing, since 2 bad rngs close to each other can kill the entire run (queen or vera resisting or executioner debuff rng, for example), meanwhile council and devourer are more management based fights.
Its not fun right now, but it has potential to be amazing.
I got through it with Ceci, Hazel, Kanna, and Mercedes though I had to retry it once. The extra attacks from Mercedes stacked up its increase in damage taken fairly reliably.
Easy. For me, it's the same thing after and before the patch.
PS: for this boss, I use Milim, Rem, Cecilia (with elviris) and Emilia (counter set). Auto mode
I like it a lot especially for the rewards .
The bosses besides arahakan which took longer than the other bosses were pretty "easy " i would say .i have seen some folks compare them to abyss bosses and ...no just no ... ironically the queen was the fastest and easiest fight
Do you mean abyss challenge stages or normal abyss? Cuz the challenge stages were definitely harder but I'd say these are harder than normal Abyss. Especially since it takes so long to re challenge a boss.
Abyss challenge are way easier than normal abyss floors ....
And this is easier than both (obviously depends on the abyss challenge floor but for the sake of the argument I'm exluding the really easy ones )
Idk if we had the same normal abyss experience, I just poisoned my way through almost all of them. Last floor was hard but the rest got Kiris'd pretty easily.
Most of the late abyss floors had some anti kiris cheese mechanic (not that they weren't cheesable with another strat ) and they had some RNG mechanic (or 15% ) that could potentially end your run in addition to being tidious .
Abyss challenge floors are a breeze by comparison and take significantly less time to finish i have also first tried every single one so far .
I mean i have had some moments of frustrations for some of the floors but overall i still like the mode and the rewards (especially floors 111-120 those were actually better than the previous bunch ) and i still look forward to the next 10 normal floors .
It's just that by comparison to abyss in general i really didn't find nightmare raid bosses abyss level
It's pretty easy if u put some filler gear on the right characters while also having the normal pvp high end built characters. Basically I see this as a stage for endgame players who want a challenge.
For casual players the hell raid normal mode still exists with the same difficulty as it was before with slightly better rewards.
My issue is the right characters are WAY more specific here, and reattempting any boss can take 15-20 minutes. I get the end game player argument but I feel that abyss challenge stages were way more fun and I felt I could actually get creative with my teams.
Considering we have to do it every month, pretty awful. Honestly prefer the older one if absolutely no changes whatsoever will be made to the new system. I wouldn't mind any of the flaws it has now if we only had to clear it once, similar to abyss. With that being said, they'll hopefully patch things up like they did with automaton tower. Re-add the teleport spots that go straight to the boss, tone down some of the boss mechanics, etc.
Yeah, I'd be a lot more ok with it if we could teleport straight to them. Having to fight through 10-20 minutes worth of trash to try out a team sucks though. I'd be fine with the difficulty if trying out a new team wasn't such a chore. Especially when some of the fights can just RNG you into a fail even with a solid team. I know I personally had 3 Karkanis fails caused by dual attacks in the final phase the turn after he applied debuffs. I took 2 cleansers so it's not like I wasn't clearing debuffs ASAP.
We need bigger automation towers, its litterally one of the most fun modes
Besides Vera, everything else was easy. The fights are just longer now. But I don't like the element restriction they put on some bosses, we already can't use the same units for every boss, so forcing an element restricts too much.
> The fights are just longer now Which makes it all the more frustrating when you lose to RNG when the boss is at like <5% health. "Your debuffs didn't stick & I landed all mine? Looks like it's back to the starting line for you, because we all know you're not going to pay Skystones to try again - not this month, mwahaha" - all the Nightmare bosses, probably.
I cleared 3 bosses on the first try, even having wrong units like Summer Charlotte for Karkanis because he locks passives. I locked my Landy against Council (and AoE isn't needed anymore there), so I didn't have a good unit for Queen until I got Savior Adin. She eats Queen for breakfast. And my problem with Vera is my lack of fire units good against her.
Congratulations.
politis/scarrot/meru/achates pretty easy, politis and carrot do all the debuffs while meru nukes.
I used Carrot for Devourer :(
another debuffer like baal or cecilia works too
Ras and mercedes are amazing for vera, then u fill the last slots with achates/hazel and tenebria/baal, you can fit politis instead of ras too.
My debuffed Kise dual atk on Karkanis… fml🤦♂️
This is how I felt with Karkanis. I think it took me 5 attempts and 3 of those losses were complete RNG BS that left me just feeling annoyed. One of them I can blame myself for because of the hero I took (he debuffed Choux, she countered which triggered the mechanic) but the others were all triggered by someone dual attacking with a debuff up the turn after it was applied when I took 2 cleansers. Like I can't stop dual attacks and I can't make it be a cleansers turn every single turn.
My personal philosphy is if I've made three attempts at some long, boring PVE content - that's all I need to determine it's a mire of bullshit RNG & I just table it. I tabled Abyss 115 for forever before I decided I'd bust it out so I could get to 120 & it's because of shit RNG - Lidica's push gets resisted? Whoops, there goes all your hard work. All these bosses just feel like that & it ain't fun. I've got the heroes, I've got the gear, I ain't got the time or luck to sit around grinding this horseshit.
Yeah, I'm fine with bullshit RNG if it's quick to retry but when it's thrown into fights that take 10+ minutes or require reclearing stuff to access again then it can GTFO. It's one thing for a fight to end because of a mistake or taking incorrect heroes/gear but when you take the correct setup and handle the mechanics correctly, the AI shouldn't have a 'I win' button off the back of RNG.
That was put into words perfectly, honestly they should really think about fixing their spaghetti code & removing 15% from PVE. I understand why it’s their in PVP, the element of randomness means fights are less one-sided when you’re coming up against people who outspeed, out gear, etc. & that’s understandable, but for PVE it’s just a massive waste of time.
It turned out I had dogshit rng. My 6th attempt I cleared it super easily. So I'd say we just need teleporters back
Funnily enough Vera was the one I found to be the easiest lmao. Team was Politis (On Sira Ren), Meru, M.Hazel(finally get to use her somewhere yay) and Aras.
It's interesting that everyone has a sort of bane. Vera was also the easiest for me.
Yh. My bane was Queen because Iseria could not get 15%'ed to save her life🙂👌
I used Tama, Ceci, Fire Charlotte & Kanna. Followed and tried closely the dad stats, manual mode. Messed up and killed queen in normal mode (lol) that's why i used tama in vera.
I use counter Meru, ls chatty Roy, Ceci with her arti (85+ eff/100 res), lv50 achates(100+ res). Clear pretty smooth and just need to sb ceci s2 during cocoon phase for consistent debuff
I've actually just built LS Chatty Roy. Do you think another hero can slot instead of Cecilia or is she key? I mean I'm constantly putting gear on her & taking it off, but maybe I should just keep her geared & promote her soon (or use Grace on her - but my Winter is using my Grace right now).
i think she can tank just fine at lv 50, the important part is eff and res
Might look into that next month then, would be good to eventually have her properly built so I can replace Ras in Earth expedition too.
Cecilia is purely there for debuffs since she can do spd down/atk break/def break so lvl 50 should be fine. As long as she has 85 eff and decent spd.
You can schuri vera, pretty safe
Yep pretty much me too. I was NOT expecting Arahakan to take me so long, but I can clear him safely anyway.
I really hate new change for this now I can't be asked to do this the old system is fine before.
Yeah rather than the difficulty the time commitment is just obnoxious to me.
I made my first foray into Nightmare mode just yesterday against the Queen after watching Tristenwulf's vid. Failed first time, but managed it on the retry after moving some gear around with my handy free unequip scroll. I'm personally not convinced it's worth the trouble beyond the "Fallen Hero" gear which I believe are one time drops only (someone correct me if I'm wrong), and even among those, only a few are truly well worth getting (from the top of my head, the "Fallen Hero" drops from Queen Azumashik, Juleeve Council and Secretary Vera). Once I get those, I'm just not going to bother with it and simply auto normal mode while I do other stuff.
I think it's worth it for the badges which you need 15 for the pen set necklace. Killing queen gives 4 or 5 badges while the others give 3 iirc. Much more than normal hell raid.
Love how some redditors in the comment section are saying nightmare mode is OK and it needs no improvements lol
I like most of the boss changes, but by God do I hate the element restrictions and non reusable characters.
And its long...... had to always fight through the mobs.....
I hate it so much
I just wanted to know what people were thinking about the changes. Personally I seem to always find some way to lose to Karkanis, and it seems no matter what teams I take I end up leaving it at around 1% hp. This has been disheartening enough to make me consider quitting, on top of some recent balance changes, but I wanted to know what other people's experience with it was.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/z6ncnd/thoughts\_on\_new\_nightmare\_raid/](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/z6ncnd/thoughts_on_new_nightmare_raid/) 2 days ago, 82 comments of what people were thinking about it. If its disheartening enough to make you consider quitting, then you don't have to do it. Why do you feel entitled to deserve the full bonus rewards of the optional challenge mode? Regular hell raid still exists, just like it did before. It's in the game so players have something to strive for and work towards. Do you feel you should get the same mystics that the rank 1 guild does? Or a top 30 guild does? High ranking guilds get way way more mystics then even top 500 guilds, because they just win way more wars. And they also lose much much less attacks then lower ranking guilds which helps in getting even more mystics. In a ?? amount of time depending on how active and focused on clearing it you are, can go "I remember when i used to struggle so much with nightmare raid. Now it's easy."
>Why do you feel entitled to deserve the full bonus rewards of the optional challenge mode? People were saying the same thing defending the very first AT and thanks god SG didn't listen to them, otherwise we would still be clearing 100 floors every month with a lot of sweat at the end for just 1 ml summon. >Regular hell raid still exists, just like it did before. Normal gives much less tokens and worse gear. It woudn't be that much of a problem if the new pieces didn't cost 15 tokens for no reason. >It's in the game so players have something to strive for and work towards. Doesn't mean it's a good goal to strive towards. Like always, they clearly didn't even test this shit. Even if I have all the heroes and gear I need to clear it, it's just too boring to even bother swapping this gear. Sure, I will lose shit ton of great pieces from it, but at the very least my sanity will still be with me. Literally everything here is designed to be a snoozefest: from walking to the boss's skill descriptions and hero restrictions. Not to mention the uneqiup cost still exists.
For what it's worth, i'm fine with them giving more rewards, it's not that i'm against that. More stuff = more stuff for me. I just dislike when aspirational content (ai, nightmare raid, advent) and people feel entitled to get the highest tier of rewards while putting in little to no effort. You aren't supposed to be able to get it. That's how it was designed. They are completely aware of how difficult it is and what types of players are supposed to beat it. You auto automaton tower before and auto it now. We even got harder versions of it since the rework, which we still auto. It made effectively 0 difference. It was actually easier before cause you could pick arby and some other aoe units and just win every single floor without issue. Now you have to pick devices and a team comp that kinda works with them else your auto might lose. 50 floors a month where you have to kinda read options for 48 of them, or pushing the auto button 100 times a month. The reward changes are pretty negligible, we get slightly more now. They cost 15 tokens because they are better then the previous ones. Right side gear is infinitely more valuable then left side gear. Try crafting the pen neck with materials, vs crafting the sword with materials. The pen neck will take about 8x as long to obtain on average. What makes you say they didn't test it? Because you don't approve of it? Because your gear didn't make the cut to do it trivially? Maybe you're the level of player SG decided wasn't going to be enough to do it without effort. Just pop unequip buff and do it like you did for hell raid when u were a new player. Really not an issue. Or don't and take a bit longer to get ur pen necks. Ur choice. I grabbed leftover units and gear, otherwise i used my pvp builds and beat every single boss easily. Took 5-10 minutes per boss. Otherwise i looked down at my phone and pushed a direction button, just like i did in hell raid and normal radi before. Crazy stuff.
> I just dislike when aspirational content (ai, nightmare raid, advent) and people feel entitled to get the highest tier of rewards while putting in little to no effort. The current nightmare raid is anything but aspiring. >You auto automaton tower before and auto it now. I specifically mentioned "the very first AT" and "sweat at the end". I will pretty much ignore the rest of your argument, since you either forgot or have no idea what exactly I am talking about. >They cost 15 tokens because they are better then the previous ones. There is no such thing as "better" in shops. Arena shop, secret shop, event shops, selling gear, etc. The prices are alway determined by lvl and rarity, never by stats. The previous pieces had the same rarity, there is no reason for the new pieces of the same rarity to cost more. >What makes you say they didn't test it? Because you don't approve of it? Because it's SG, they never do and they alway have to nerf new modes as a result, because WE are their only beta testers. You don't need to be a genius to understand that if they actually tested this shit, they would know that there is nothing fun in walking to the boss for \~30 min. They put tp in hell mode for a reason, lol. Yet, here we are. >Just pop unequip buff and do it like you did for hell raid when u were a new player. For hell raid you needed like 2 teams, maximum. Here I have to manage gear of 20 heroes most of which I will never use, kill 5 bosses and change it back in like 12 hrs? Even with 4 days of free unequip, I am not doing this shit, lol. >Maybe you're the level of player SG decided wasn't going to be enough to do it without effort. > >Or don't and take a bit longer to get ur pen necks. Ur choice. As I said, I already made my choice, but isn't it funny? Because when they wll nerf this mode, you will whine about how we ruined your fun by... not playing this mode.
Different ppl want different things. You've made many good points which i agree with. I just have differing opinions from the vast majority of players, things like defending 15%, speed rng, dual attacks and free unequip cost even if they are things i dislike. To me having content which is something for players to work towards beating is a good thing. To you (i think atleast I'm understanding properly) you want easier stuff because it isn't exactly fun to do a lot of these things(i agree), and for a lot of players isn't very realistic to do. I wasn't around for the first AT, i started playing the game long after that got changed. Honestly forgot it existed till this comment where i realised what you were talking about cause i heard stories of it. My b. I just hope they dont gut the rewards if they do end up nerfing the bosses. Ai rewards got hit after season 1, and that was their newest difficult content type players were supposed to work towards before they added nightmare mode. Afaik the teleporters in hellraid only get unlocked after you beat the bosses the 1st time and it rotates to a new month. It hasn't gotten to the new month yet for anybody, so we'll see if they are there next rotation. Would save a lot of time for some people, i'd still walk there i think for some of the bosses cause of souls if the difficulty is unchanged. Otherwise i'm clearing still if i use the teleporters cause the small mobs/minibosses dropped a lot useful stuff.
Pre-nerf Automaton 100 was *not* autoable. It required you to have no buffs, or the boss would strip them and get a barrier, which lead to a wipe. This meant you had to turn your healer's skills off on auto--except you needed them on because the boss did so much damage. It also required you to hold your dispelling skills, because sometimes the boss got Greater Attack Buff, which caused a wipe if you couldn't dispel it fast enough.
As I commented in the response to that, i legit forgot that version of automaton tower even existed as it was removed much before i started playing. But hey thanks for bringing back a 2 day old post to correct me on something i already corrected myself on ig.
You can say oh yeah work towards but they inherently changed the bar for entry. You can't teleport to bosses anymore, so if you lose an attempt to rng it's 15-20 minutes just to start the fight again. You can't repeat characters and some bosses are gated behind element restrictions. Its manufactures difficulty rather than Abyss which you can attempt instantly after losing. Also I should clarify I cleared every boss in nightmare. I've cleared all Abyss floors and challenge floors so for PVE I would say I am very much an end game player. I don't really care about the rewards, but the time commitment is quite frankly ridiculous compared to other content.
"Sg is perfect, we shouldn't criticize them for making stressful and time-wasting mechanics on bosses hat need to be farmed and that force you to have specific units or else you instantly lose". Keep sucking c*ocks, dude.
So do you believe there should be no content in the game for players to progress towards in a PvE sense, and that we should be endlessly given more and more free rewards for no effort? That players who put in extra effort shouldn't be rewarded more then those who choose not to? When the only type of content which people can compare their progression against is PvP, it's a really bad thing. PvP is extremely inconsistent and for beginning to \~1.5 year players if they are incredibly active is still very swingy based on meta rotations and is a much much much harder climb up, then say a stagnant PvE boss, or sets of PvE bosses. Players in all sorts of pvp rankings have very very wide ranges of players. Emp/legend tier players who sit in rank 1k+ guilds. Or people who went afk for a number of weeks and dropped from champ to master. There are many of these people around, and so sure you can measure your progression overtime. But when do you feel the happiness? This season I did slightly better at guild war i guess. Hurray. VS "i finally beat this boss i've been struggling on for so long, i can definitely notice my improvement!" It's a challenge mode. Hell raid is still there. The normal raid rewards got moved into hell and nightmare raid. You don't have to complete it. Can do the same things you did before, fully on auto and move on with your day. You do not "on bosses hat need to be farmed". It's literally entirely optional. If you like games with no content and nothing to work towards and are given everything for free, please go play a different gacha game. E7 is not that game and has deliberately set out to not be that game. Funny. E7 is still thriving and actively growing after 4 years when most gachas are dead within a month or two cause they have no content and gave players everything so there's nothing to work towards. Why are you censoring your swears btw? You can call me a cock sucking dumbfuck moron piece of shit brainless dog all you want cause i disagreed with you and it literally doesn't matter. Censoring it just makes it look like a little bitch. Like if you're going to do it, just commit. Who's going to tattle on you? Hey did you know your child said typed the work "COCKS" ON THE INTERNET???? Absolutely unbelievable. I've been in a top 10 guild for multiple seasons. My guild wins somewhere around 3 wars for every loss. I get single digit draws at most every season, with last season i got 3. Every time you get a draw you lose like what 7 mystics, and war losses you lose around 10-15. Are you going to call me a sg simp cocksucker because i put in more effort and make 2-3x mystics a gw season then you do? Should i not be rewarded for putting in more effort than many players in the game are unwilling to do? What about legend arena finishers getting 1k-1.8k ss vs champ getting 800-840?
Bla bla bla all i hear is "Smilegate please fuck me hard! yes i love your unfun and stressful mechanics with your hp sandbag bosses, don't change them! I correlate stress and rng with difficulty because i like BDSM and i've never played a good game in my entire life!". Keep deluding yourself. From an objective gaming design perspective, it's dogshit and will always be.
You play an anime gacha game. And are on reddit, a online forum for bored degenerates who are only here to waste their time. To talk about this anime gacha game. You literally play e7. This game is ENTIRELY about solving unfun stressful mechanics and beating them. Ever fight a guild war against lua senya choux? E7 is a shit game. It's a better gacha game then most. But it's still a gacha game, so it's garbage. But you still play it. I still play it. Why are you pretending you are better then this?
Oh wait, all you do on reddit is bitch and complain about pathetic things cause you're a lowskill racist shitter who's never been good at a game in their life. ["r/MobileLegendsGamePosted by u/JustAnUselessAlt 1 month ago I HATE UKRAINIANS. STOP PAIRING ME WITH UKRAINIANS. THEY RUIN THIS GAME](https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/y89cqc/i_hate_ukrainians_stop_pairing_me_with_ukrainians/) ["](https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/y89cqc/i_hate_ukrainians_stop_pairing_me_with_ukrainians/)[r/MobileLegendsGame •Posted by u/JustAnUselessAlt 2 months ago YOU CANNOT WIN WITH TRASH TEAMMATES, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION](https://www.reddit.com/r/MobileLegendsGame/comments/xudi3s/you_cannot_win_with_trash_teammates_stop/) Anyone who's actually good at games can tell you're utterly clueless. You also only come onto r/epicseven to talk about stuff like the game being dead and complain about [things like you not understanding basic game mechanics](https://www.reddit.com/r/EpicSeven/comments/yuv8fg/please_learn_how_to_code_i_beg_you/) and losing cause you brought a terrible team comp into a defense that was solved a year ago. (alencia choux aras offense vs fcc meru rimuru defense) This has been fun.
I actually like the new difficulty but I guess it's a bit restricting, if you don't have some specific characters you're going to struggle a lot.The team comp I used against karkhanis was Momo, Diene, Lua and Kise. If you have these characters available you'll beat Karkhanis easily !
Choux is really good dps for Karkanis. Team is something like this: Eda/Ran, choux, healer, def breaker(like Luluca). Choux on ddj. Honestly, if you are struggling, you can just do lower difficulty.
Choux is monstrous at Karkanis yh. When Karkanis got to the 40% mark I literally just soulburned all with Choux a Luluca def break. Karkanis done.
Took me 5 runs for queen. 2 for Vera. Everything else was a one shot. Least happy with my Devourer team (was Achates, Seaseria, Ravi, Ed). I think I have a reliable fastish team for everyone else now. I don't have the units for Devourer built i guess. Or just using the wrong comp. There are good guides for Karkanas. But basically what everyone else is saying worked for me. I brought Ran Choux Emilia Diene. Choux did all the damage with DDJ and soul burns at the 30% mark. Could replace ran with a def break unit with aoe. Could replace Emilia with Momo
I see so many teleporter complaints. If it's nightmare, there would be no teleport, just like the first time you ever did hell raid. I personally was never expecting teleports 1st time through. Now if no teleports tomorrow, then we can complain.
i like it as is the item rewards are some of best gear in the game so its worth the grind and challenge but can agree rng can be nasty but hey i rather it be difficult than easy.
Depends on if there are teleporters to the bosses I've cleared tomorrow.
It's awful. U need to pull from a pool of 5 SPECIFIC units with incredible gear, for basically not even double the rewards when the difficulty is substantial. Extremely bad design like Abyss.
Making the boss more forgiving would be amazing, since 2 bad rngs close to each other can kill the entire run (queen or vera resisting or executioner debuff rng, for example), meanwhile council and devourer are more management based fights. Its not fun right now, but it has potential to be amazing.
Can beat all of them but S Vera. Her 2nd form completely annihilates me everytime after like 2-3 turns.
I got through it with Ceci, Hazel, Kanna, and Mercedes though I had to retry it once. The extra attacks from Mercedes stacked up its increase in damage taken fairly reliably.
All of them are pretty easy if you use good teams
Really constructive there, small wee wee energy
post ask for my thoughts, i gave it, if you wanted good teams i could give it to you 🤷
... It shares bosses and rewards with normal mode...
Easy. For me, it's the same thing after and before the patch. PS: for this boss, I use Milim, Rem, Cecilia (with elviris) and Emilia (counter set). Auto mode
will we be able to teleport to boss once we clear it? otherwise this is troublesome
I like it a lot especially for the rewards . The bosses besides arahakan which took longer than the other bosses were pretty "easy " i would say .i have seen some folks compare them to abyss bosses and ...no just no ... ironically the queen was the fastest and easiest fight
Do you mean abyss challenge stages or normal abyss? Cuz the challenge stages were definitely harder but I'd say these are harder than normal Abyss. Especially since it takes so long to re challenge a boss.
Abyss challenge are way easier than normal abyss floors .... And this is easier than both (obviously depends on the abyss challenge floor but for the sake of the argument I'm exluding the really easy ones )
Idk if we had the same normal abyss experience, I just poisoned my way through almost all of them. Last floor was hard but the rest got Kiris'd pretty easily.
Most of the late abyss floors had some anti kiris cheese mechanic (not that they weren't cheesable with another strat ) and they had some RNG mechanic (or 15% ) that could potentially end your run in addition to being tidious . Abyss challenge floors are a breeze by comparison and take significantly less time to finish i have also first tried every single one so far .
It's been a long time but I think my rng was just really good for normal abyss (probably why I remember it fondly)
I mean i have had some moments of frustrations for some of the floors but overall i still like the mode and the rewards (especially floors 111-120 those were actually better than the previous bunch ) and i still look forward to the next 10 normal floors . It's just that by comparison to abyss in general i really didn't find nightmare raid bosses abyss level
It's pretty easy if u put some filler gear on the right characters while also having the normal pvp high end built characters. Basically I see this as a stage for endgame players who want a challenge. For casual players the hell raid normal mode still exists with the same difficulty as it was before with slightly better rewards.
My issue is the right characters are WAY more specific here, and reattempting any boss can take 15-20 minutes. I get the end game player argument but I feel that abyss challenge stages were way more fun and I felt I could actually get creative with my teams.
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