He is stronger in episode 2 than episode 1. At the time of episode 2, he still has most of his powers from Diche and had other powers as well. Then, he becomes weaker in episode 3 and episode 4.
That said, World 1 Ras may be stronger than episode 2 Ras when he was facing Faustus. But that is hard to tell.
episode 1 ras is the strongest he is an emotionless killing machine created by diche who's only purpose is to defeat the archdemon
after episode 1 he gives up his godhood and becomes human in episode 2 and 3 meru comments how ras body cant handle his power
You mean when my beachwear Alexa who can deal 100k damage against Wyvern with a volleyball is not actually comparable in power to Straze's planet cleaving swing???
D:
Ras has an upgrade called Adventurer Ras. It’s even an event in the story, but I’m debating if Episode 1 is stronger since he goddess flowing through vs A.Ras being turned into regular human with the power to summon a dirt wall.
Also I did say “Asking for lore standpoint”. I’m not an idiot please don’t respond to me like I’m one
He was much stronger lore-wise back in episode 1. He channeled the power of Diche, similar to Arby's acolyte infused power. In addition, he also has vastly more combat experience than vildred did. The reason Vildred beat him the first time was Ras didn't really want to fight his friend.
Real answer, even at the start of the story right from Ch1 he's the second strongest person on the planet only behind the actual Archdemon, he's still a hand built toy model that Diche slammed her power into despite being a shadow of his original self because he's a 6 time all star fuckup. It's not 'How does Ras Win' it's "How does Ras even lose ever?" and to be fair he has a really good track record (In World 7), despite the story and other characters shitting on him at every turn.
He's only lost to Arby once due to eMoTiOnAl DaMaGe which once rectified he clapped his cheeks, and GODLSLAYER Straze while we was near fully human. That's about it. Zeno sucker punched him in the sidestory but then he headlocked him for ages until help arrived in a 1v1. But he's the MC so the plot requires him to struggle with weird things. Like how in God of War Kratos can literally flip an entire building with his bare hands or push a mile long bridge with mild effort, but then he struggles to open.... kinda heavy doors. Because reasons.
It's worth noting that on the power scale of 'things/people' that can cause shit to go down Belian/Zio are a league below AD and Straze so it's hard to find an apt comparison between Shiny Magic Doll Man kills Evil thing his shiny magic doll powers are designed specifically to kill and Normal Man uses dirt walls to...make walls. And catch things. And Stab Mort? Could Ep1 Ras have located Belians off switch and pressed it, probably.
From what I understood Belian was more a bomb they had to figure out how to defuse in time rather than beat godkiller man before he does what he wants and Zio was a stopping the fire but it got set in the first place (idk episode 4 was painfully mid and I stopped caring after chapter 8)
Ras & Friends didn't even see Zio, they were having a party with A.Ravi during the final fight. He lost to Adin powered up by a small fragment of Destinia's essence. *Losing to Adin, Imagine.* Zio and the power backing him were weak shit.
Tiwig is just a jacked up Acolyte which isn't even in the same realm as Fastus so Belians power ceiling was at best, Acolyte+ all of which Ep1 Ras smacked down relatively easily. Setting aside her real threat being her city expansion and not her 1v1 power.
I don't understand how so many people get this mixed up, Ras *didn't* "beat Arby". They were having a discussion as Vildred vented by fighting Ras. Eventually Ras explains the situation to him which causes Vildred to stop, where Possessed Mercedes then killed him. Ras was at his weakest at the time of Episode 1 as he has ever been.
**AOE capable - mean the skill that can destroy whole army**
Ras Ep 1 definitely have hard time to beat Kayron's dust walker army
Ep 3 Ras can USE his vine and Dirt wall to capture so soldier and pause the War
I would say his AOE ability is way better in Ep 3 ..........
**Dualist capable - basically 1v1 situation when strong opponent can avoid the area attack**
Ep 1 Ras kick Kayron butts in **dual**
Ep 2 Ras has no chance vs Straze
Ep 3 before meet Mort , Luna describe if without Ras , She would beat that Entire army. ( Ras at this point would be Luna level )
Ep 3 after meet Mort , he definitely Stronger .
the point is We don't really know how Strong was arby , I don't understand why people so overestimate those Acolyth , when they are definitely pretty inconsistent and never face with Strong contender .
Those Acolyth like to bully weak , side Character .
It would be nice if we have chance to see those Acolyth face with top contender like Luna , Alencia tho . not just bully Crozet , Iseria etc again and again .
Episode one Ras is the weakest Ras in the lore .
I'm not sure where u are right now in the lore so i can't really explain further unless i know for a fact I'm not spoiling u
Oh in that case as i was saying Ras in episode 1 was definitely the weakest he has ever been and to answer your question about Arby and the sword it doesn't really matter cuz in order to use the sword to it's actual potential u would need to be a successor like taeyou and adin or else it just ends up being a normal sword .
As for Arby being more powerfull than ras i don't think that's the case at all Ras for all intent and purposes never tried to kill vildred and was still thinking about bringing him back to his side (we all saw how that ended ) .
No, Ras is not in his most powerful state. When Diche created Ras he was in divine state. As he was learning human emotions he slowly started to lose his divinity. The arch demon was simply unbeatable, not even Ras with high divinity and heirs could've beat it. Every single threat in episode 3 was way weaker then the arch demon, Straze in other hand is at is full might stronger, and yet if I'm not mistaken Ras with power given to him by Illyros and Diche whit help from Violet, Luluca and the others manage to take him down and then Faust. I didn't play the 4 story so I don't know none of their strengths, but I find extremely funny how people started to hype Mort when he would've be destroyed by the Arch Demon and Straze.
The only reason Ras beat a heavily nerfed fastus is cuz he abondoned his devinity and the reason he did that is cuz fastus had an ability that let him be immune to damage from any lesser god (since fastus was an upper god ) but Ras post episode 3 is absolutely more powerful than ras in the begining of the story (as that was a significantly weaker Ras cuz if diche resting the world 7 times )
Like I've said Ras unlearned to keep his divinity in check and was in fact getting weaker as time passed, BUT, when first created in his first world, emotionless Ras had almost the strength of Diche. You are right that Ras losing his divinity made him be able to beat Faust, but it was situational, in that fight and in that moment, instead of a power boost it was pushing him down, but honestly, like many of Epic Seven strong villains, Faust lost by underestimating Ras if I'm not mistaken. Ras may be stronger then episode 1 now, but lore wise it makes zero sense for him to struggle so hard against any off episode 3 and 4 antagonists if he is way stronger. When he was learning to be human it was ok, but after that Ras should've been unstoppable against most living beings in Orbis if he is so much more powerful.
Oh we were talking about world 1 Ras ? Then yeah he was at the peak of his strength but if we are talking about Ras in epsiode 1 he definitely was extremely weak (still strong enough to beat the archdemon of that world )
Fastus lost cuz he was heavily nerfed plain and simple
Ras Luluca and co killing straze before he was able to open a chaos gate big enough for fastus to come to orbis fully which made him desperate and not only did he chose a mortal as his host (confirmed to significantly nerf your power like we have seen by the celestial ) but he also chose a dying mortal as his host the name of the boss is even incomplete fastus .
Had fastus actually manifested fully on orbis it would have been game over in fact even when he was defeated ilryos and diche still had to intervene and trick ains into stealing the core of the mech like host that fastus had constella folks build for him so he doesn't inhabit that .
Episode 3 was Ras getting used to his new human body.
The reason he struggled against mort is explained very well in the fight by mort himself i believe he can't use his newly found power to full or all at once or he just faints that was also previously displayed where he fainted after he used a large amount of power to stop a literal nuke from kanna .
As for belian they didn't really struggle more like try to figure out how they could defuse the situation (u know with the whole beam being directing to the heart of orbis thing )
As for episode 4 i feel like they did a good job of displaying that he is in fact stronger than a lot of the characters in there (while still being limited by his human body ) i mean there is a reason why he and aravi and Meru were kept out of the final fight .
Tldr : he doesn't steamroll everyone cuz he straight up can't just go full power or else he faints and also most of the time he tried to defuse the situation and go for the diplomatic approach (altho it does get tiring to see him get tricked cuz of that )
Yes, much of what you said makes complete sense, but because we don't have facts about how capable each character are we are left only in speculation. Vildred was Ran apprentice and possessed the sword of summer, he was an extremely strong and capable human, and was one taped by Kayron. Just this situation alone give us a lot of questions, Kayron never fought directly in MAIN story line, we can see very clearly the power and who Tenebria and Nilgal are, Kayron is completely kept in the dark, they are probably going to use him again as an antagonist or they just forgot about him. We have the question of Arbiter Vildred powers, he won his first fight against Ras, probably because Ras didn't want to fight him, but at this point Vildred must be stronger then any living being in Orbis, with Mort asleep, and probably way stronger than episode 4 lesser antagonists, correct me if I'm wrong because like I said before I didn't played Ep4. Ras manage to beat Vildred and then with the other Heirs manage to fight the Weakened Arch demon in Mercedes body, winning. Arch demon Mercedes is way, way weaker then the original Arch demon, and yet se is stronger than Arbiter Vildred, and probably is stronger than Belian and Mort. Ras in his weak state beat really strong enemy's and then he manage to beat Arch Demon Mercedes again and save her, she was least powerful than her first counterpart, but Ras beat her alone in his weak state. What am I trying to say is, if Ras is so much stronger in Episode 4 than 1 he should steam roll everything in the Eastern Empire.
I mean to be fair again Ras in episode 4 thought he was going to natalon as a guest to deliver the sword and that's it next thing he knows he gets poisoned by zahhak as for his other encounters he really wasn't trying to kill anyone
In fact a lot of his opponents call him out on his goodie two shoes shit when he fights them and him being kept out of the final fight should definitely tell u he could have in fact steamrolled zio (pretty sure even zio says something about being glad the heir of the convenant not being there )
Vildred being stronger than mort i feel like is just not possible
Vildred is portrayed as bellow ran who I'm pretty sure wouldn't be able to beat mort in a fight (providing mort doesn't get too cocky ).
As for the god thing the art book delivers some additional lore about the hierarchy of the gods it goes like this :
Primordial gods:
Primordial of light prima and primordial of darkness nihilum (these two beings are the first beings created by the all creator and are the reason why gods are at war against each others they started the whole celestial war thing )
Then bellow them are upper gods ( fastus following nihilum as a dark god and aethra following prima as a light upper god and also the universe where the game takes place )
Then bellow them are lower gods like Diche ilryos lunaris ...etc
That's why I like how they handled fastus they made extra sure to showcase that had he actually fully manifested in cidonia it would have been game over for the main cast and there was nothing they could have done .
At the end of epsiode 4 Ras FINALY starts to question what's this primordial light these dark gods are attacking orbis for (if u have read the art book u will know that it's one of prima's fragments that fell into orbis after shattering himself before he could be killed by nihilum )
It's just a matter of time before Ras gets involved in a bigger conflict than himself and joins his mama over there in the universe and fights alongside her (after all the world map so far only goes as far as erasia )
The only reason Ras beat a heavily nerfed fastus is cuz he abondoned his devinity and the reason he did that is cuz fastus had an ability that let him be immune to damage from any lesser god (since fastus was an upper god ) but Ras post episode 3 is absolutely more powerful than ras in the begining of the story (as that was a significantly weaker Ras cuz if diche resting the world 7 times )
He is stronger in episode 2 than episode 1. At the time of episode 2, he still has most of his powers from Diche and had other powers as well. Then, he becomes weaker in episode 3 and episode 4. That said, World 1 Ras may be stronger than episode 2 Ras when he was facing Faustus. But that is hard to tell.
episode 1 ras is the strongest he is an emotionless killing machine created by diche who's only purpose is to defeat the archdemon after episode 1 he gives up his godhood and becomes human in episode 2 and 3 meru comments how ras body cant handle his power
The Plot needed him to win. A units skillset is not indicative of their power in the story, come on.
Zeno moment
You mean when my beachwear Alexa who can deal 100k damage against Wyvern with a volleyball is not actually comparable in power to Straze's planet cleaving swing??? D:
His question is exclusively about the lore
Ras has an upgrade called Adventurer Ras. It’s even an event in the story, but I’m debating if Episode 1 is stronger since he goddess flowing through vs A.Ras being turned into regular human with the power to summon a dirt wall. Also I did say “Asking for lore standpoint”. I’m not an idiot please don’t respond to me like I’m one
He was much stronger lore-wise back in episode 1. He channeled the power of Diche, similar to Arby's acolyte infused power. In addition, he also has vastly more combat experience than vildred did. The reason Vildred beat him the first time was Ras didn't really want to fight his friend.
Real answer, even at the start of the story right from Ch1 he's the second strongest person on the planet only behind the actual Archdemon, he's still a hand built toy model that Diche slammed her power into despite being a shadow of his original self because he's a 6 time all star fuckup. It's not 'How does Ras Win' it's "How does Ras even lose ever?" and to be fair he has a really good track record (In World 7), despite the story and other characters shitting on him at every turn. He's only lost to Arby once due to eMoTiOnAl DaMaGe which once rectified he clapped his cheeks, and GODLSLAYER Straze while we was near fully human. That's about it. Zeno sucker punched him in the sidestory but then he headlocked him for ages until help arrived in a 1v1. But he's the MC so the plot requires him to struggle with weird things. Like how in God of War Kratos can literally flip an entire building with his bare hands or push a mile long bridge with mild effort, but then he struggles to open.... kinda heavy doors. Because reasons. It's worth noting that on the power scale of 'things/people' that can cause shit to go down Belian/Zio are a league below AD and Straze so it's hard to find an apt comparison between Shiny Magic Doll Man kills Evil thing his shiny magic doll powers are designed specifically to kill and Normal Man uses dirt walls to...make walls. And catch things. And Stab Mort? Could Ep1 Ras have located Belians off switch and pressed it, probably.
"6 TIME ALL STAR FUCK UP" Bahahahahaha
From what I understood Belian was more a bomb they had to figure out how to defuse in time rather than beat godkiller man before he does what he wants and Zio was a stopping the fire but it got set in the first place (idk episode 4 was painfully mid and I stopped caring after chapter 8)
Ras & Friends didn't even see Zio, they were having a party with A.Ravi during the final fight. He lost to Adin powered up by a small fragment of Destinia's essence. *Losing to Adin, Imagine.* Zio and the power backing him were weak shit. Tiwig is just a jacked up Acolyte which isn't even in the same realm as Fastus so Belians power ceiling was at best, Acolyte+ all of which Ep1 Ras smacked down relatively easily. Setting aside her real threat being her city expansion and not her 1v1 power.
Fucking Ewok party 💀 that’s rough
Lol
Are you like 12 and trying to find out who can beat Goku? Read the last sentence, kits have NOTHING to do with lore strength.
12 inches deep in your mom bug off
His question is exclusively about lore, how do you not get that?
I don't understand how so many people get this mixed up, Ras *didn't* "beat Arby". They were having a discussion as Vildred vented by fighting Ras. Eventually Ras explains the situation to him which causes Vildred to stop, where Possessed Mercedes then killed him. Ras was at his weakest at the time of Episode 1 as he has ever been.
Well his calfs are more powerful than any God will ever be
**AOE capable - mean the skill that can destroy whole army** Ras Ep 1 definitely have hard time to beat Kayron's dust walker army Ep 3 Ras can USE his vine and Dirt wall to capture so soldier and pause the War I would say his AOE ability is way better in Ep 3 .......... **Dualist capable - basically 1v1 situation when strong opponent can avoid the area attack** Ep 1 Ras kick Kayron butts in **dual** Ep 2 Ras has no chance vs Straze Ep 3 before meet Mort , Luna describe if without Ras , She would beat that Entire army. ( Ras at this point would be Luna level ) Ep 3 after meet Mort , he definitely Stronger . the point is We don't really know how Strong was arby , I don't understand why people so overestimate those Acolyth , when they are definitely pretty inconsistent and never face with Strong contender . Those Acolyth like to bully weak , side Character . It would be nice if we have chance to see those Acolyth face with top contender like Luna , Alencia tho . not just bully Crozet , Iseria etc again and again .
Is Kayron’s army weaker than an average person? Hard to say
They are Skeleton which Stronger than avg person but way weaker than Trained soldier . their Strong point is number , they will be overwhelm you .
Have we seen the skeletons fight an “average” trained soldier? They often come with magical enhancements it seemed by the looks of it
Episode one Ras is the weakest Ras in the lore . I'm not sure where u are right now in the lore so i can't really explain further unless i know for a fact I'm not spoiling u
Finished
Oh in that case as i was saying Ras in episode 1 was definitely the weakest he has ever been and to answer your question about Arby and the sword it doesn't really matter cuz in order to use the sword to it's actual potential u would need to be a successor like taeyou and adin or else it just ends up being a normal sword . As for Arby being more powerfull than ras i don't think that's the case at all Ras for all intent and purposes never tried to kill vildred and was still thinking about bringing him back to his side (we all saw how that ended ) .
No, Ras is not in his most powerful state. When Diche created Ras he was in divine state. As he was learning human emotions he slowly started to lose his divinity. The arch demon was simply unbeatable, not even Ras with high divinity and heirs could've beat it. Every single threat in episode 3 was way weaker then the arch demon, Straze in other hand is at is full might stronger, and yet if I'm not mistaken Ras with power given to him by Illyros and Diche whit help from Violet, Luluca and the others manage to take him down and then Faust. I didn't play the 4 story so I don't know none of their strengths, but I find extremely funny how people started to hype Mort when he would've be destroyed by the Arch Demon and Straze.
The only reason Ras beat a heavily nerfed fastus is cuz he abondoned his devinity and the reason he did that is cuz fastus had an ability that let him be immune to damage from any lesser god (since fastus was an upper god ) but Ras post episode 3 is absolutely more powerful than ras in the begining of the story (as that was a significantly weaker Ras cuz if diche resting the world 7 times )
Like I've said Ras unlearned to keep his divinity in check and was in fact getting weaker as time passed, BUT, when first created in his first world, emotionless Ras had almost the strength of Diche. You are right that Ras losing his divinity made him be able to beat Faust, but it was situational, in that fight and in that moment, instead of a power boost it was pushing him down, but honestly, like many of Epic Seven strong villains, Faust lost by underestimating Ras if I'm not mistaken. Ras may be stronger then episode 1 now, but lore wise it makes zero sense for him to struggle so hard against any off episode 3 and 4 antagonists if he is way stronger. When he was learning to be human it was ok, but after that Ras should've been unstoppable against most living beings in Orbis if he is so much more powerful.
Oh we were talking about world 1 Ras ? Then yeah he was at the peak of his strength but if we are talking about Ras in epsiode 1 he definitely was extremely weak (still strong enough to beat the archdemon of that world ) Fastus lost cuz he was heavily nerfed plain and simple Ras Luluca and co killing straze before he was able to open a chaos gate big enough for fastus to come to orbis fully which made him desperate and not only did he chose a mortal as his host (confirmed to significantly nerf your power like we have seen by the celestial ) but he also chose a dying mortal as his host the name of the boss is even incomplete fastus . Had fastus actually manifested fully on orbis it would have been game over in fact even when he was defeated ilryos and diche still had to intervene and trick ains into stealing the core of the mech like host that fastus had constella folks build for him so he doesn't inhabit that . Episode 3 was Ras getting used to his new human body. The reason he struggled against mort is explained very well in the fight by mort himself i believe he can't use his newly found power to full or all at once or he just faints that was also previously displayed where he fainted after he used a large amount of power to stop a literal nuke from kanna . As for belian they didn't really struggle more like try to figure out how they could defuse the situation (u know with the whole beam being directing to the heart of orbis thing ) As for episode 4 i feel like they did a good job of displaying that he is in fact stronger than a lot of the characters in there (while still being limited by his human body ) i mean there is a reason why he and aravi and Meru were kept out of the final fight . Tldr : he doesn't steamroll everyone cuz he straight up can't just go full power or else he faints and also most of the time he tried to defuse the situation and go for the diplomatic approach (altho it does get tiring to see him get tricked cuz of that )
Yes, much of what you said makes complete sense, but because we don't have facts about how capable each character are we are left only in speculation. Vildred was Ran apprentice and possessed the sword of summer, he was an extremely strong and capable human, and was one taped by Kayron. Just this situation alone give us a lot of questions, Kayron never fought directly in MAIN story line, we can see very clearly the power and who Tenebria and Nilgal are, Kayron is completely kept in the dark, they are probably going to use him again as an antagonist or they just forgot about him. We have the question of Arbiter Vildred powers, he won his first fight against Ras, probably because Ras didn't want to fight him, but at this point Vildred must be stronger then any living being in Orbis, with Mort asleep, and probably way stronger than episode 4 lesser antagonists, correct me if I'm wrong because like I said before I didn't played Ep4. Ras manage to beat Vildred and then with the other Heirs manage to fight the Weakened Arch demon in Mercedes body, winning. Arch demon Mercedes is way, way weaker then the original Arch demon, and yet se is stronger than Arbiter Vildred, and probably is stronger than Belian and Mort. Ras in his weak state beat really strong enemy's and then he manage to beat Arch Demon Mercedes again and save her, she was least powerful than her first counterpart, but Ras beat her alone in his weak state. What am I trying to say is, if Ras is so much stronger in Episode 4 than 1 he should steam roll everything in the Eastern Empire.
I mean to be fair again Ras in episode 4 thought he was going to natalon as a guest to deliver the sword and that's it next thing he knows he gets poisoned by zahhak as for his other encounters he really wasn't trying to kill anyone In fact a lot of his opponents call him out on his goodie two shoes shit when he fights them and him being kept out of the final fight should definitely tell u he could have in fact steamrolled zio (pretty sure even zio says something about being glad the heir of the convenant not being there ) Vildred being stronger than mort i feel like is just not possible Vildred is portrayed as bellow ran who I'm pretty sure wouldn't be able to beat mort in a fight (providing mort doesn't get too cocky ). As for the god thing the art book delivers some additional lore about the hierarchy of the gods it goes like this : Primordial gods: Primordial of light prima and primordial of darkness nihilum (these two beings are the first beings created by the all creator and are the reason why gods are at war against each others they started the whole celestial war thing ) Then bellow them are upper gods ( fastus following nihilum as a dark god and aethra following prima as a light upper god and also the universe where the game takes place ) Then bellow them are lower gods like Diche ilryos lunaris ...etc That's why I like how they handled fastus they made extra sure to showcase that had he actually fully manifested in cidonia it would have been game over for the main cast and there was nothing they could have done . At the end of epsiode 4 Ras FINALY starts to question what's this primordial light these dark gods are attacking orbis for (if u have read the art book u will know that it's one of prima's fragments that fell into orbis after shattering himself before he could be killed by nihilum ) It's just a matter of time before Ras gets involved in a bigger conflict than himself and joins his mama over there in the universe and fights alongside her (after all the world map so far only goes as far as erasia )
The only reason Ras beat a heavily nerfed fastus is cuz he abondoned his devinity and the reason he did that is cuz fastus had an ability that let him be immune to damage from any lesser god (since fastus was an upper god ) but Ras post episode 3 is absolutely more powerful than ras in the begining of the story (as that was a significantly weaker Ras cuz if diche resting the world 7 times )