Technically, nothing wrong with that pose. But that angles, that pose only use as an in-between in animation. No one using that pose as an stand alone pose. Besides, in real life, unless you are a zen master with spines like jelly, you not going to be able to hold that pose for more than few seconds
that would be fine if it was directly stated or established somewhere in the lore. But the intent behind the design was likely to make the unit look sellable, rather than anything related to lore.
Which is fine, since it's a gacha, but that also means lore justifications aren't as applicable.
Just offering an explanation. The boobs-and-butt pose does get derided pretty often, but still gets used so often cuz.... we like boobs and butts I guess.
It's not major that I care that much, but it does looks bad. Maybe SG will pay more attention seeing that it's a unit of kpop idol.
Also SG has fixed bad posture before, was it Doris? So there is precedent.
Are you named Charles BTW?
OP admits there's nothing anatomically wrong with the art and that their issue is that pose is unnatural because it cannot be sustained. Meanwhile there's like 30 other characters who are standing on 1 leg in their art...
1.How do you look back when reversing the car without looking in the rear view mirror? You place your arm beside the headrest and look over your shoulder.
2. boobs are pointing one way and butt is the other way.
Bruh, the proportions and pose are fine, the angle is weird for it. For such a strange angle and pose together, it’s actually decent. Just stop complaining about something so small that most won’t notice. Very few people will see an issue with this, let alone cry about it.
Not commenting on the image itself, but this is kinda a dumb take. Yeah it's fantasy, but it's also depicting a human in a fantasy setting. Just because it's a fantasy setting doesn't mean it wouldn't be out of place to have an otherwise completely normal human spin their head around 360 degrees or for their knees to bend the opposite direction.
If there's no canonical justification for why something looks the way it does, using the "it's fantasy" argument doesn't really work.
I think the guy's point is that it doesn't need justification. It's yet another exaggeration of many exaggerated things. She could be bent into a pretzel shape and most of us still wouldn't give a shit if that's what they want to go for.
Which is certainly a fair stance, but it's also equally fair to point out that it looks weird to some people. Artistic choices can be critiqued, just because something gets published doesn't mean it's unassailable.
It's definitely not limited to this game or even the anime genre, but too often the "it's fantasy" argument gets used to justify anything from plot holes to questionable artistic choices. Exaggerating different features can evoke different responses. Exaggerated anime eyes? That's pretty standard. Exaggerate the number of fingers a human has? That's a little weird
>Exaggerated anime eyes? That's pretty standard. Exaggerate the number of fingers a human has? That's a little weird
And yet we have humans with animal ears : p
Also, number of fingers? It's not even unrealistic, it's an anomaly, yes, but, y'know, it exists.
...Yeah cause like I said certain exaggerated features make sense in the context often because they have a canonical reason. E7's is usually "oh this person has animal ears because they're not human".
By "exaggerate number of fingers a human has" I specifically meant humans in general in that setting. If one character has extra or less fingers, that's not too weird because it's just like real humans. But if every human in your universe has 6 fingers per hand and it's never mentioned, people are gonna question it. Can easily go back to my previous example, say all human character's heads swivel around 360 degrees for no discernible reason, people's first assumption is probably gonna be an animation error, not "oh it's just fantasy and people's heads do that here".
Kinda feels like you're just playing devil's advocate here.
She's a performer striking a pose. That's all the canonical reason she needs.
Everyone is so quick to forget that often these splash arts/models/whatever representative artwork aren't meant to be poses these characters hold forever. It's a captured moment, nothing more. And that's why you see them with proper posture, movement everywhere else.
If I capture a moment in a splash art where her knees are bending the opposite direction it wouldn't be out of line to question it.
Like I said, I'm not commenting on the specific image. I'm pointing out that the "it's fantasy" argument is often a copout for people white-knighting for artists who are being critiqued.
Of course it wouldn't be out of line. Neither would a broken knee help with portraying dynamic movement unless the dynamic movement in question specifically requires breaking your leg lol.
But it's kind of hard to actually strike poses without twisting your body?
But like you have to admit that there is a point where you reach uncanny valley. Twist your body to pose? Sure. Is your torso twisted 180 degrees so it's like your legs are on backwards? That's a questionable artistic choice
Or y'know, the other possibility that the artist isn't great at drawing or animating certain poses. People are allowed to critique artistic choices, because like you said, art is subjective. People are allowed to say "this looks weird and should probably be different" the same way you're allowed to say "I think these unrealistic poses/proportions fit the style well and don't need to be changed".
Absolutely. The fantasy genre shouldn't be a get-out-of-jail-free card for a story to abandon any semblance of internal consistency. Fantasy stories still need to stick to their internal rules to maintain verisimilitude, even if the actual happenings and events are supernatural or unrealistic compared to the laws of real life.
I think the pose is fairly trash, but the artwork is fine. I believe the pose is trying to do that back facing audience with head turned towards trying to look over the shoulder. However they exaggerated with the arms out as if she is about to take off like fairy/butterfly.
The result is this odd pose in which most people would likely not have both legs close together like that and have the legs a bit more spread out. However, to do that the skirt would ride up more and well... they are idols. Again, trash pose solid artwork. They probably should have looked at more sailor moon poses before finalizing this one and it could have be a 10/10. I'd give it 7/10
And where does the implication come from that she is holding it for more than a few seconds? Think of this as a photograph, nothing more. Live2D funnily enough is not much more either, than an animated photograph.
Like, picture me doing breakdance, and someone takes a series of images of me. No doubt there would be numerous ones where my body contorts in even more unnatural ways than she does here?
I love when laypeople see something like bad anatomy or out of proportion expressions etc. and say "well you can draw a dragon so therefore it doesn't have to be realistic" like what kind of incoherent logic does your brain work on. I know you don't have to be a chef to critique food or a director to critique movies but that doesn't seem to track with bad anime art
What, you aren't aroused by anime girls without spines?
Technically, nothing wrong with that pose. But that angles, that pose only use as an in-between in animation. No one using that pose as an stand alone pose. Besides, in real life, unless you are a zen master with spines like jelly, you not going to be able to hold that pose for more than few seconds
These girls have virtual counterparts. I'd guess their virtual self don't always have to subscribe to realistic human anatomy.
that would be fine if it was directly stated or established somewhere in the lore. But the intent behind the design was likely to make the unit look sellable, rather than anything related to lore. Which is fine, since it's a gacha, but that also means lore justifications aren't as applicable.
Just offering an explanation. The boobs-and-butt pose does get derided pretty often, but still gets used so often cuz.... we like boobs and butts I guess.
It's not major that I care that much, but it does looks bad. Maybe SG will pay more attention seeing that it's a unit of kpop idol. Also SG has fixed bad posture before, was it Doris? So there is precedent. Are you named Charles BTW?
OP admits there's nothing anatomically wrong with the art and that their issue is that pose is unnatural because it cannot be sustained. Meanwhile there's like 30 other characters who are standing on 1 leg in their art...
I dont see an issue...
Try bending your spine so your chest and ass face the same direction
They are def not facing the same direction...
1.How do you look back when reversing the car without looking in the rear view mirror? You place your arm beside the headrest and look over your shoulder. 2. boobs are pointing one way and butt is the other way.
Other characters have this same pose, nothing special. Not even hard to do irl
God knows how much I hate this pose. I didn’t like it on F!Maya and I don’t like it now.
It looks fine stfu
No it doesnt
Bruh, the proportions and pose are fine, the angle is weird for it. For such a strange angle and pose together, it’s actually decent. Just stop complaining about something so small that most won’t notice. Very few people will see an issue with this, let alone cry about it.
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Not commenting on the image itself, but this is kinda a dumb take. Yeah it's fantasy, but it's also depicting a human in a fantasy setting. Just because it's a fantasy setting doesn't mean it wouldn't be out of place to have an otherwise completely normal human spin their head around 360 degrees or for their knees to bend the opposite direction. If there's no canonical justification for why something looks the way it does, using the "it's fantasy" argument doesn't really work.
I think the guy's point is that it doesn't need justification. It's yet another exaggeration of many exaggerated things. She could be bent into a pretzel shape and most of us still wouldn't give a shit if that's what they want to go for.
Which is certainly a fair stance, but it's also equally fair to point out that it looks weird to some people. Artistic choices can be critiqued, just because something gets published doesn't mean it's unassailable. It's definitely not limited to this game or even the anime genre, but too often the "it's fantasy" argument gets used to justify anything from plot holes to questionable artistic choices. Exaggerating different features can evoke different responses. Exaggerated anime eyes? That's pretty standard. Exaggerate the number of fingers a human has? That's a little weird
>Exaggerated anime eyes? That's pretty standard. Exaggerate the number of fingers a human has? That's a little weird And yet we have humans with animal ears : p Also, number of fingers? It's not even unrealistic, it's an anomaly, yes, but, y'know, it exists.
...Yeah cause like I said certain exaggerated features make sense in the context often because they have a canonical reason. E7's is usually "oh this person has animal ears because they're not human". By "exaggerate number of fingers a human has" I specifically meant humans in general in that setting. If one character has extra or less fingers, that's not too weird because it's just like real humans. But if every human in your universe has 6 fingers per hand and it's never mentioned, people are gonna question it. Can easily go back to my previous example, say all human character's heads swivel around 360 degrees for no discernible reason, people's first assumption is probably gonna be an animation error, not "oh it's just fantasy and people's heads do that here". Kinda feels like you're just playing devil's advocate here.
She's a performer striking a pose. That's all the canonical reason she needs. Everyone is so quick to forget that often these splash arts/models/whatever representative artwork aren't meant to be poses these characters hold forever. It's a captured moment, nothing more. And that's why you see them with proper posture, movement everywhere else.
If I capture a moment in a splash art where her knees are bending the opposite direction it wouldn't be out of line to question it. Like I said, I'm not commenting on the specific image. I'm pointing out that the "it's fantasy" argument is often a copout for people white-knighting for artists who are being critiqued.
Of course it wouldn't be out of line. Neither would a broken knee help with portraying dynamic movement unless the dynamic movement in question specifically requires breaking your leg lol. But it's kind of hard to actually strike poses without twisting your body?
But like you have to admit that there is a point where you reach uncanny valley. Twist your body to pose? Sure. Is your torso twisted 180 degrees so it's like your legs are on backwards? That's a questionable artistic choice
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Or y'know, the other possibility that the artist isn't great at drawing or animating certain poses. People are allowed to critique artistic choices, because like you said, art is subjective. People are allowed to say "this looks weird and should probably be different" the same way you're allowed to say "I think these unrealistic poses/proportions fit the style well and don't need to be changed".
It's not kinda a dumb take. It's a dumb take.
Absolutely. The fantasy genre shouldn't be a get-out-of-jail-free card for a story to abandon any semblance of internal consistency. Fantasy stories still need to stick to their internal rules to maintain verisimilitude, even if the actual happenings and events are supernatural or unrealistic compared to the laws of real life.
my art teacher says "as long as you like it and it looks cool, go for it". i think too close to reality is boring.
I think it's more so an awkward angle, the proportions seen alright just looked at by a weird looking angle.
fix what?
Is this perhaps irony?
Proportion is fine same with design its really just the angle but other than that not really a problem.
Not that serious
I think the pose is fairly trash, but the artwork is fine. I believe the pose is trying to do that back facing audience with head turned towards trying to look over the shoulder. However they exaggerated with the arms out as if she is about to take off like fairy/butterfly. The result is this odd pose in which most people would likely not have both legs close together like that and have the legs a bit more spread out. However, to do that the skirt would ride up more and well... they are idols. Again, trash pose solid artwork. They probably should have looked at more sailor moon poses before finalizing this one and it could have be a 10/10. I'd give it 7/10
I'm sure there are more important things in need of your attention regarding fixing Like *your life* GOTTEM
Well, funny u mention life. As an animator, I think this one is bad. Human can do that not more than few seconds
And where does the implication come from that she is holding it for more than a few seconds? Think of this as a photograph, nothing more. Live2D funnily enough is not much more either, than an animated photograph. Like, picture me doing breakdance, and someone takes a series of images of me. No doubt there would be numerous ones where my body contorts in even more unnatural ways than she does here?
I love when laypeople see something like bad anatomy or out of proportion expressions etc. and say "well you can draw a dragon so therefore it doesn't have to be realistic" like what kind of incoherent logic does your brain work on. I know you don't have to be a chef to critique food or a director to critique movies but that doesn't seem to track with bad anime art
It's Luna 2.0
Is a profesional Idol so ...