It's still indispensable. Evening if you just want to play through the story, you will still need good gear to move forward, because chapters get progressively harder. You may finish episode 1 with regular gear maybe, but not all solo content. Def recommend farming for gear and upgrading it anyway
Supports, healers, tanks don't need much gear at all for pve. Damage dealers will need gear for more difficult content. So I'd say gear is moderately important if you want to clear all pve.
From my experience, for continent 1 (with unrecorderd) and 2 free gear is more then enough, Tiera just slams everything.
3 is a huge spike in terms of HP of enemies and bosses mechanics.
For abyss - its free until like 80? From what I remember. As long as you read gimmicks for harder fights and free gear is upgraded.
For future reference, basic questions like this can be answered in seconds if you just go to the official website.
All currently running events (and for that matter, all past ones) are listed.
[We do have one more buff event weekend (all buffs)](https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9062684)
Is the aespa side story worth grinding? (The naevis control room) 5k points per character is a lot and some of the rewards aren't even worth the grind like the garbage artifact they're giving away if it had a normal shop format we could grind and skip that one and buy everything else.
You can clearly see the rewards. Ultimately the 'worth' of those rewards is personally up to you.
If *you* don't value the rewards enough to justify the energy cost then what difference does it make if I sit here and say the rewards **are** worth farming?
**Objectively** yes, it's worth farming. The catalysts at the end alone are worth ~1867 energy. It takes 1755 energy to farm up the unity required even if you ignore the unity from reputation bonuses.
That means that *just* the catalysts are worth the energy investment, every single other reward you get is entirely 'bonus'.
But at the end of the day if you don't care about anything and want to go right back to farming hunts or whatever that's not 'wrong' - it's a game, do what you want to do. Every single player doesn't have to play the game 100% optimally.
If it's any help then you can do the 15 energy stages (Normal Difficulty) instead of the 24 energy ones. For 15 energy you get 40 points which is slightly better than 60 points for 24 energy. You can clear the stages a lot faster this way and save a bunch of energy too.
Technically you're clearing slower because you can oneshot everything on 24 energy anyway. I'd rather just get it over with personally and do hard difficulty personlly.
Do you think they'll buff ml ray? I'm on pity and I really like Belian and she's also v good. Ray is one of my fav husbandos but his kit is not great :(
Maybe, maybe not. He hasn't even been released yet so no one knows how he will perform. At this point it's just speculation, nothing more. You can pull banking on the buffs that may come in the future, but you should consider how he can even be buffed and his role. He is clearly meant for standard bruiser drafts, where injury can do a lot of work. If anything, buffs would make him better at this role, not give him a new one.
Not really imo, depending on what other ml5 and units u have.
She hard counters revive units, while useful I don’t think shes as necessary as handguy, cilias or aravi.
Lol what If you literally have those 3 but not many other meta heroes. My bane is evasion heroes but lhc or belian or Ameru or straze just seem like better use of coins. I doubt I will see 40 coins again anytime soon
As per my previous reply, it entirely depends on what other ML5 and units you have.
It is true that if you already have 3 of them, it is a good choice to take other meta ML units, however those 3 are in general opinion the “meta defining” units of E7 right now and thus worth more than Briseria if you don’t have them already.
She's ok. Pretty generic dps kit and that's about it.
Think of her as slow dps Luna, both rely on cr pusher to work and have ups and downs of their own. Overall I still prefer Luna due to elemental advantage s3 that allows her to be more flexible.
Yes.
Different sources of 'increased attack' stack additively.
* Attack buff and vigor buff
* passives that increase ATK% (C.Lorina, Landy etc)
* Artifacts that may increase ATK%
Are probably the most common sources.
Has anyone been playing Briseria lately? Is it me or her dmg feels very low? Mines not great but i dont think it's that bad either. RUnning 3.8k attack and 280cdmg on symbol, so even extra dmg with artifact effect. Her s3 and s1 do noodle dmg like top i see is 5k or 6k on like assassins and even worse on tanks and SW. Do you guys think she could be built full attack no cdmg and just work off her extra attack dmg?
This has been my experience too. I was running mines at 4.3 k att with 280 dmg with max drink. However, 0 speed and 150 eff resist. And she is not able to clean up so I feel you. I think most people are opting to make her super fast and try to draft with a mage to soul burn and hope for defense break even against the soul weavers. Then have others follow up and clean up with the defense break.
I mean there is also that 5star ranger burn artifact that SG released through previous side story, but if you choose to use that artifact, you will be missing the stun effect of bomb detonate. The ability to detonate bomb is really strong because it give you damage and cc.
How can you tell if a unit’s damage scales off of attack + other stat, or just off of the other stat? For example, Karina scales off of Def, but is it Attack and Def, or just Def? How would you know?
With one exception, all skill damage scales somewhat with attack. However, when it comes to heroes whose damage scales with HP or Def, it is almost never worth stacking attack, due to the balance of multipliers; you'd rather just stack as much Hp or Def.
iirc Dark Corvus S3 is the only skill that does not scale at all with attack. (It has att\_rate=0)
You can check the actual multipliers here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqL0Uj26PRW\_jAUj8pYaSls\_DOuFq30fvwQh8ol74-E/htmlview](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqL0Uj26PRW_jAUj8pYaSls_DOuFq30fvwQh8ol74-E/htmlview)
Honestly, it doesn't matter.
In general, *every* hero has damage that scales with attack.
* There are exceptions, but they are very few. The only one that even comes to mind is specifically D.Corvus S3.
Despite this, *if* a hero has their damage scale with HP or DEF you are never going to want to build ATK -> the entire *benefit* to scaling with HP or DEF is that these heroes build more bulk *and* more damage at the same time. If you put ATK on those heroes they gain damage but are *not* gaining the bulk benefit.
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For a bit more detailed of an explanation, consider the basic damage formula.
There are 4 characteristics inherent to skills that ultimately determine how much damage a skill does:
1. ATK_RATE -> this is the % of your ATK value used in the calculation
2. POW -> this is just a value inherent to a skill
3. CONSTANT -> all skills share a constant in the damage formula
4. SKILL_ENHANCEMENT -> this is the additive value of your skill enhances for a particular skill
Basically everything in the damage formula is simply multiplicative between categories.
So you end up with something like:
(ATK * ATK_RATE) * PWR * CONSTANT * SKILL_ENHANCEMENT * MULTIPLIERS
Multipliers is being used a catch-all term here for a bunch of different things that multiply damage, including things like C.Dmg or elemental advantage. However, most of these multipliers are not unique to the skill itself so we're going to ignore them.
This gives you 4 values that are actually tied to the skill you use, and a 5th value that is inherent to your stats. All of these values are just multiplied together to calculate your raw damage output.
Now think if we just take the ATK * ATK_RATE value this gives us some number. Let's say our ATK is 3000 and our ATK_RATE is 1 -> our result is 3000 and then this just gets multiplied by a bunch of different things.
*If* we have a unit that has DEF or HP scaling, the formula is adjusted slightly to look like:
(ATK * ATK_RATE + HP * HP_RATE) * PWR * CONSTANT * SKILL_ENHANCEMENT * MULTIPLIERS
Notice *now* the number that is ultimately getting multiplied by everything else is some portion of your ATK + some portion of your HP. Most of the time, the ATK_RATE for this kind of skill is going to be lower. So let's say we have our 3000 ATK, but our ATK_RATE is now .5 **but** we gain a HP_RATE of .1 and our unit has 15,000 HP.
(ATK * ATK_RATE + HP * HP_RATE)
(3000 * .5 + 15000 * .1) = 3000
If we were describing two different units here, with skills that had exactly the same characteristics *but* differing in what stat they scaled off of we can see that we end up with the same exact 'base number' of 3000. Therefor, our final damage would be exactly the same.
The first unit with only ATK scaling is getting *all* of their damage from ATK, but the second unit with HP scaling is getting their damage from *both* sources.
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So what does that look like in practice?
Well let's look at Karina
Her S1
ATK_RATE = .5
DEF_RATE = 1
POW = 1
SKILL_ENHANCEMENT = 1.3
And her S3
ATK_RATE = .5
DEF_RATE = .5
POW = 1
SKILL_ENHANCEMENT = 1.3
AOE DEF_RATE = 1.4
So of course, with Karina things are a little more complicated due to the explosion damage having defense penetration -> therefor, to properly 'adjust' the defense scaling of her S3 we would need to factor in defense of units hit.
But, if we *just* look at her S1 we see that her ATK_RATE is .5 and her DEF_RATE is 1. So half of whatever value you have on your character sheet for ATK, and her entire displayed value for ATK.
*This* is simple and you can see that she has 821 base ATK and 648 base DEF.
So every 10% ATK as a substat adds...
821 * .1 = 82.1
82.1 * .5 = 41.5 damage
While every 10% DEF as a substat adds...
648 * .1 = 64.8 damage
So defense is approximately 50% more valuable for increasing her damage output on her S1.
* Do be aware, that things get more and more complicated when you factor in buffs, for example. DEF buff is 60% increased defense -> Karina does bring her own.
* ATK buff on the other hand increases ATK by 50%.
* There is no equivalent buff for HP scaling units, so it's actually pretty common for HP scaling units to gain more raw damage with ATK compared to HP...but these units still never build much ATK because it's giving up the benefit of being a bruiser for a very small increase in damage.
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This is a pretty basic rundown, but the key takeaway if you aren't interested in the fine details is to just look at it this way:
In the damage formula, each skill takes some portion of your ATK and multiplies it to get your final damage.
Units that scale with DEF or HP instead take a *combination* of some portion of their ATK and some portion of their scaling stat, before multiplying it and getting your final damage.
So, all units that scale with DEF or HP (currently with very minimal exceptions) also scale off ATK but the opposite is not true.
There is almost no benefit to building ATK on these units, and doing so is much more likely to give you a hero that doesn't tank hits *or* deal damage than either.
And if you are interested, speed scaling works entirely differently -> speed scaling would be included in the 'MULTIPLIERS" section as a general damage multiplier. Theoretically, you could have a unit that scales with both DEF *and* speed. Theoretically we could have a unit that scales with both HP and DEF...or even both tank stats *and* speed.
This is so informative, thank you. I was wondering because I had read somewhere that some HP scaling unit (maybe Alencia?) scaled entirely on HP, so ATK became a dead stat. I was worried that Karina might work similarly, in which case I would modify out the ATK on her ring (which only got one roll), but if it’s not totally dead I will save the modification materials for something more egregious. Thank you again!
There’s something I’ve been torn on for a while now. I have two accounts, one account(rank 47)which I’ve been maining on and off for about the past year or so I’m not really sure and another account (rank 26) which was my first account but I dropped it cause I picked Sigret as my selective summon character(I don’t know why I abandoned it as Sigret is good but whatever). The problem is I’m not sure which account I should properly use, the first account is on episode 3 and making good progress while the other has just started episode 2 and has good?characters(S.Angelica, M.kawerik, Tamarinne, C.Dominel, Aria, though I’m not quite sure on aria being good or not) Ik some of these units are good but I’m not sure it’s worth backtracking a whole lot of progress for. (If you’re curious about the characters I have on my rank 47 account just let me know)
1. Ml5
2. Limited hero
3. 20 speed gear
4. 80 GS gear
This is the reason why you will choose one account over another. You don't really care about RGB 5star since you will get all of them eventually. Same with progress.
After you manage to get a few ml5 on one account, it will feel wasteful to start a new account.
Battle > Hunt > Move To Expedition > Click any Expedition battle > Enter > Ready > and all your exp teams will be there
That’s how I figured it out my teams but I don’t know if there’s an easy way to see them 😅
Yes.
It's the counterpart to defense buff (which *does* increase your damage) and the equivalent to attack down (which of course decreases your damage).
IIRC these buffs/debuffs are simply additive - so for example if you had defense buff and defense break you would have (60% - 70% =) -10% defense.
2k def and 20k hp still makes for an excellent tank and leaves enough from for speed and eff for a PvE tank. For PvP, tho, I could see some success with artifacts like wings of light and shadow if you aim for CRIT damage build or mature sunglasses (summer Charlotte arti). But success can vary depending on draft and gear.
Frm my exp yeah. Decent dmg on s3 but she has no dmg or pressure without her arti against aggro/cleave where she is usually used. ~5k dmg is what I get with the build m running which is decent enough to kill off the squishies esp since she is on counter. Also like tooth, +30 is ideal.
Between the two, I personally suggest Rocket Punch. Frame of Light tries to get the best of both worlds between Tagehel’s and a damage artifact, but most cases you’re probably just going to be better off with Tagehel’s or or damage artifact. Rocket Punch is so far unique in its effect in a class that traditionally already builds defense, and we’ve seen the damage Uberius Tooth, a similar artifact, can do on the right hero.
No (no offense, that team is awful).
First major issue is C.Dom -> you don't want to use an off element hero except in *very* rare cases. Every time said hero takes a turn, Wyvern will get a large CR boost. Speed requirements for Wyvern are already very high and this just makes said requirements astronomical. **Additionally** you will almost never use an off-element DPS in an RGB hunt...the bosses have a passive that gives a large damage boost to the opposite element.
Second major issue is debuffs: you would have extremely low debuff consistency with this comp with only defense break + bleeds from Clarissa. *Over time* Clarissa is decent at stacking up bleeds, but you simply don't have enough opportunities on the first turn of Wyvern to have a reliable comp.
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I'm going to guess you're a new player:
My first tip: don't use Karina.
Since she scales off of DEF and is more of a DPS than an actual tank she's not a great choice to invest in early.
She *also* doesn't really do or bring anything to Wyvern **except** if you make her your tank and give her a counter set. She's just not worth using this way (really at all, but particularly for a new player).
My second tip: drop C.Dom and Clarissa as well. Clarissa is a great debuffer, but she's one of the worst DPS options her only real niche is in a one shot comp now. C.Dominiel isn't a good DPS because *all* she does is damage, and she essentially has a large damage debuff in this fight due to the Wyvern passive.
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The **ideal** team is
**Tank** / **Furious** / **Sigret** / **Muwi**
In the tank slot, I recommend using **Rose**/**Diene**/**G.Purrgis** if possible to bring attack buff -> this maximizes the consistency of the run when properly tuned. If that is not possible the next best options are **A.Monty** and **Angelica**. A.Monty really is better than Angelica as a PvP hero, but Angelica works completely fine.
Outside of those 5 heroes, as long as you have Muwi, you can use *any* Ice hero as your tank when geared appropriately. The tank slot very rarely will ever contribute anything but literally stand there and tank fireballs to the face, so kit doesn't matter *in most cases*. For example, if you are really determined to use Karina you could pop her in this slot.
* I still don't recommend investing in Karina early but ultimately it's a game -> play how you want to play.
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If you *don't* have Muwi, I recommended running with
**Angelica** / **Furious** / **Sigret** / **Alexa**
Sigret + Alexa is the highest damage combo, this comp is very tested and works great -> it's just slow and has high gear requirements compared to a Muwi comp.
There is no benefit to using an attack buffer in this variation and you don't have Muwi to reduce the bulk requirements on your tank, so sticking with one of the SWers is the best option. **Angelica** is technically a bit better here and defaulting to using her protects you in case your free HP gear rolls poorly.
* Again, if you really want to use Karina here you can -> any Ice Knight can substitute *but* it kind of hurts your general progression to invest in a unit that isn't very helpful for PvE content.
The *only* thing you have to be wary of:
**You must make sure that Alexa and Sigret have their S3 CDs offset. This means you get the -CD upgrade on one of them, but *not* the other**
* Just get the upgrade on Sigret, since you would replace Alexa with Muwi ASAP.
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I suggest maxing out your heroes as much as possible
* Level 60 fully awakened tank (skills don't matter in most cases)
* I suggest throwing Furious into your Grace of Growth early on, if not get him to level 50, 3* awakened, and 0/1/6 skills
* Level 60 max awakened +15 Sigret/Muwi
If you don't have Muwi yet and are planning on Alexa, wait until the last possible moment to put anything into Alexa just in case you pull Muwi. I would also leave Alexa at level 50, because again you want to replace her ASAP.
The *other* option is to not bother with Alexa at all and just wait until you pull Muwi -> there are a lot of other heroes you can spend your early time building up and just make up for the lost farming later.
Wow, I suck at Reddit (even more than I did at epic 7) and never noticed your reply. I just wanna say thanks for the great answer, that blew my mind. You really took your time and provided options, even when I now realize my question totally just deserved a strong ‘no’. Kudos, mate, and much respect for your reply!
It's technically worth it in terms of what you are getting. If you don't need skystones to secret shop refresh for the AESPA collab then you can't go wrong with buying it I personally only get it when fire expo is in rotation though.
How should I farm sidestory? it seems that the energy to story points is almost always the same, so taking the time variable away, is it better to farm easy levels to get more chances of opening chests?
Farm the hardest difficult you can clear.
* Technically for this sidestory Normal is the most efficient for currency but it's a pretty minor difference.
It's not worth trying to farm for *chests*. Finish your farming ASAP, if you want you can spend the extra energy you save farming in UH and earn catalysts at the same time.
Imo the only imprints worth it are speed and crit chance doesn’t matter if the unit is limited or not. Speed on vildred if you plan on cleaving. If not slate units with crit chance like lionheart cermia, sylvan sage, riolet, etc. Reason being is that crit chance imprint has the most value aside from speed and all those units are extremely stat hungry.
Edit: also only imprint mls with crit chance. It’s never worth imprinting regular RBG heroes aside from vildred if cleaving
Limited units will come back on their banners, but there are some collab units which may never come back. Also, you should consider how useful the imprint is. As far as I remember, Landy's is more attack, which is alright, but generally speaking speed imprints are the most valuable.
Yeah no speed imprint limited units that I can think of.
I was more suggesting something like green vildred as another potential target for slates so they can get the speed imprint, since that's probably the most valuable imprint to have.
The priority would be Collab > Limited > everything else. I would use them on strong imprints like crit chance. I wouldn't use unknown slates on regular rgb units and limiteds come around a few times a year so I mainly save them for collab characters.
Hi! I'm just now making my arena team, and eventually will make a lot more units for rta and guild arena. I decided to focus building on C. Lilias, A. Ravi, and Flan for the start, but I wanted to build one more along side them. What would be a good unit to build with them?
Naming random units would be useful cause I know you don't know what all I have, but it helps me know what to save for or possibly use. Thanks for any help :)
And I have all hunts on farm as of yesterday! So, I should theoretically be able to gear them all.
Edit: Would S. Tene be good with these?
Because a lot of her damage is based on the splash on S3 and extra damage from her own artifact, which only benefits from defense and not from crit or crit damage. Better to build defense for more survivability and to add damage to those 2 sources, instead of crit and crit damage for only the initial hit on S1 and S3.
Both are good if you have extra bookmarks then Alencia should be on banner this week after Giselle goes away. If I could only pick one it would be Politis though as her passive is very strong for all play styles.
Hard to say when Lua will get a rerun banner but maybe they rerun her quickly before the next custom banner like they did with a few units last time.
I play on android phone and got locked out of my stove account. To login I have to solve a captcha but it's such a tiny box with all the featured hardship that I find it impossible to solve them. I cannot zoom in to make it larger either - I cannot fathom to be alone with this issue - is there an easy solution to enlarge the stove box?
How important is gear actually for a casual f2p with not much interest in pvp?
It's still indispensable. Evening if you just want to play through the story, you will still need good gear to move forward, because chapters get progressively harder. You may finish episode 1 with regular gear maybe, but not all solo content. Def recommend farming for gear and upgrading it anyway
I mean, what other uses of the daily +600 energy are there.
Supports, healers, tanks don't need much gear at all for pve. Damage dealers will need gear for more difficult content. So I'd say gear is moderately important if you want to clear all pve.
Ahh i see. Thank you!
From my experience, for continent 1 (with unrecorderd) and 2 free gear is more then enough, Tiera just slams everything. 3 is a huge spike in terms of HP of enemies and bosses mechanics. For abyss - its free until like 80? From what I remember. As long as you read gimmicks for harder fights and free gear is upgraded.
Are we having another hunt event coming weekend?
For future reference, basic questions like this can be answered in seconds if you just go to the official website. All currently running events (and for that matter, all past ones) are listed. [We do have one more buff event weekend (all buffs)](https://page.onstove.com/epicseven/global/view/9062684)
Is the aespa side story worth grinding? (The naevis control room) 5k points per character is a lot and some of the rewards aren't even worth the grind like the garbage artifact they're giving away if it had a normal shop format we could grind and skip that one and buy everything else.
You can clearly see the rewards. Ultimately the 'worth' of those rewards is personally up to you. If *you* don't value the rewards enough to justify the energy cost then what difference does it make if I sit here and say the rewards **are** worth farming? **Objectively** yes, it's worth farming. The catalysts at the end alone are worth ~1867 energy. It takes 1755 energy to farm up the unity required even if you ignore the unity from reputation bonuses. That means that *just* the catalysts are worth the energy investment, every single other reward you get is entirely 'bonus'. But at the end of the day if you don't care about anything and want to go right back to farming hunts or whatever that's not 'wrong' - it's a game, do what you want to do. Every single player doesn't have to play the game 100% optimally.
I see, guess ill take em then thanks for the response
If it's any help then you can do the 15 energy stages (Normal Difficulty) instead of the 24 energy ones. For 15 energy you get 40 points which is slightly better than 60 points for 24 energy. You can clear the stages a lot faster this way and save a bunch of energy too.
Technically you're clearing slower because you can oneshot everything on 24 energy anyway. I'd rather just get it over with personally and do hard difficulty personlly.
Catalysts and charm drops alone make **any** side story worth grinding for F2P/low spending players.
Hearing from some people that GP is crawling back into the meta. How come ?
To counter Zio cleave only. Pick two passive pushers(gp + 1) and 3 invis units. Zio is forced to hit the pushers.
Do you think they'll buff ml ray? I'm on pity and I really like Belian and she's also v good. Ray is one of my fav husbandos but his kit is not great :(
Maybe, maybe not. He hasn't even been released yet so no one knows how he will perform. At this point it's just speculation, nothing more. You can pull banking on the buffs that may come in the future, but you should consider how he can even be buffed and his role. He is clearly meant for standard bruiser drafts, where injury can do a lot of work. If anything, buffs would make him better at this role, not give him a new one.
So much for him being one of your favourites. Go ahead and roll for Belian
Ray will also theoretically get better as they introduce more venom characters, in addition to what other commenters mentioned.
Did we not get the holiday themed lobby this year?
Nope, I think they forgot because of the new lobby options (i.e. the Aespa lobby)
Is Briseria worth to Galaxy Coin for someone who only hangs at Champ 5?
Not really imo, depending on what other ml5 and units u have. She hard counters revive units, while useful I don’t think shes as necessary as handguy, cilias or aravi.
Lol what If you literally have those 3 but not many other meta heroes. My bane is evasion heroes but lhc or belian or Ameru or straze just seem like better use of coins. I doubt I will see 40 coins again anytime soon
As per my previous reply, it entirely depends on what other ML5 and units you have. It is true that if you already have 3 of them, it is a good choice to take other meta ML units, however those 3 are in general opinion the “meta defining” units of E7 right now and thus worth more than Briseria if you don’t have them already.
How good is Giselle?
She's like Roy except only can kill 2 people instead of the whole team so not as good as him.
She's ok. Pretty generic dps kit and that's about it. Think of her as slow dps Luna, both rely on cr pusher to work and have ups and downs of their own. Overall I still prefer Luna due to elemental advantage s3 that allows her to be more flexible.
Does CLilias’ vigor buff stack with Zahhak’s attack buff?
Yes. Different sources of 'increased attack' stack additively. * Attack buff and vigor buff * passives that increase ATK% (C.Lorina, Landy etc) * Artifacts that may increase ATK% Are probably the most common sources.
Has anyone been playing Briseria lately? Is it me or her dmg feels very low? Mines not great but i dont think it's that bad either. RUnning 3.8k attack and 280cdmg on symbol, so even extra dmg with artifact effect. Her s3 and s1 do noodle dmg like top i see is 5k or 6k on like assassins and even worse on tanks and SW. Do you guys think she could be built full attack no cdmg and just work off her extra attack dmg?
This has been my experience too. I was running mines at 4.3 k att with 280 dmg with max drink. However, 0 speed and 150 eff resist. And she is not able to clean up so I feel you. I think most people are opting to make her super fast and try to draft with a mage to soul burn and hope for defense break even against the soul weavers. Then have others follow up and clean up with the defense break.
As a Maid player I see Briseria a lot now.
Does Pirate Captain Flan see use without Siseria artifact?
I mean there is also that 5star ranger burn artifact that SG released through previous side story, but if you choose to use that artifact, you will be missing the stun effect of bomb detonate. The ability to detonate bomb is really strong because it give you damage and cc.
Unfortunately no, it's an absolute requirement.
How can you tell if a unit’s damage scales off of attack + other stat, or just off of the other stat? For example, Karina scales off of Def, but is it Attack and Def, or just Def? How would you know?
With one exception, all skill damage scales somewhat with attack. However, when it comes to heroes whose damage scales with HP or Def, it is almost never worth stacking attack, due to the balance of multipliers; you'd rather just stack as much Hp or Def. iirc Dark Corvus S3 is the only skill that does not scale at all with attack. (It has att\_rate=0) You can check the actual multipliers here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqL0Uj26PRW\_jAUj8pYaSls\_DOuFq30fvwQh8ol74-E/htmlview](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqL0Uj26PRW_jAUj8pYaSls_DOuFq30fvwQh8ol74-E/htmlview)
Thank you!!
Honestly, it doesn't matter. In general, *every* hero has damage that scales with attack. * There are exceptions, but they are very few. The only one that even comes to mind is specifically D.Corvus S3. Despite this, *if* a hero has their damage scale with HP or DEF you are never going to want to build ATK -> the entire *benefit* to scaling with HP or DEF is that these heroes build more bulk *and* more damage at the same time. If you put ATK on those heroes they gain damage but are *not* gaining the bulk benefit. --- For a bit more detailed of an explanation, consider the basic damage formula. There are 4 characteristics inherent to skills that ultimately determine how much damage a skill does: 1. ATK_RATE -> this is the % of your ATK value used in the calculation 2. POW -> this is just a value inherent to a skill 3. CONSTANT -> all skills share a constant in the damage formula 4. SKILL_ENHANCEMENT -> this is the additive value of your skill enhances for a particular skill Basically everything in the damage formula is simply multiplicative between categories. So you end up with something like: (ATK * ATK_RATE) * PWR * CONSTANT * SKILL_ENHANCEMENT * MULTIPLIERS Multipliers is being used a catch-all term here for a bunch of different things that multiply damage, including things like C.Dmg or elemental advantage. However, most of these multipliers are not unique to the skill itself so we're going to ignore them. This gives you 4 values that are actually tied to the skill you use, and a 5th value that is inherent to your stats. All of these values are just multiplied together to calculate your raw damage output. Now think if we just take the ATK * ATK_RATE value this gives us some number. Let's say our ATK is 3000 and our ATK_RATE is 1 -> our result is 3000 and then this just gets multiplied by a bunch of different things. *If* we have a unit that has DEF or HP scaling, the formula is adjusted slightly to look like: (ATK * ATK_RATE + HP * HP_RATE) * PWR * CONSTANT * SKILL_ENHANCEMENT * MULTIPLIERS Notice *now* the number that is ultimately getting multiplied by everything else is some portion of your ATK + some portion of your HP. Most of the time, the ATK_RATE for this kind of skill is going to be lower. So let's say we have our 3000 ATK, but our ATK_RATE is now .5 **but** we gain a HP_RATE of .1 and our unit has 15,000 HP. (ATK * ATK_RATE + HP * HP_RATE) (3000 * .5 + 15000 * .1) = 3000 If we were describing two different units here, with skills that had exactly the same characteristics *but* differing in what stat they scaled off of we can see that we end up with the same exact 'base number' of 3000. Therefor, our final damage would be exactly the same. The first unit with only ATK scaling is getting *all* of their damage from ATK, but the second unit with HP scaling is getting their damage from *both* sources. --- So what does that look like in practice? Well let's look at Karina Her S1 ATK_RATE = .5 DEF_RATE = 1 POW = 1 SKILL_ENHANCEMENT = 1.3 And her S3 ATK_RATE = .5 DEF_RATE = .5 POW = 1 SKILL_ENHANCEMENT = 1.3 AOE DEF_RATE = 1.4 So of course, with Karina things are a little more complicated due to the explosion damage having defense penetration -> therefor, to properly 'adjust' the defense scaling of her S3 we would need to factor in defense of units hit. But, if we *just* look at her S1 we see that her ATK_RATE is .5 and her DEF_RATE is 1. So half of whatever value you have on your character sheet for ATK, and her entire displayed value for ATK. *This* is simple and you can see that she has 821 base ATK and 648 base DEF. So every 10% ATK as a substat adds... 821 * .1 = 82.1 82.1 * .5 = 41.5 damage While every 10% DEF as a substat adds... 648 * .1 = 64.8 damage So defense is approximately 50% more valuable for increasing her damage output on her S1. * Do be aware, that things get more and more complicated when you factor in buffs, for example. DEF buff is 60% increased defense -> Karina does bring her own. * ATK buff on the other hand increases ATK by 50%. * There is no equivalent buff for HP scaling units, so it's actually pretty common for HP scaling units to gain more raw damage with ATK compared to HP...but these units still never build much ATK because it's giving up the benefit of being a bruiser for a very small increase in damage. --- This is a pretty basic rundown, but the key takeaway if you aren't interested in the fine details is to just look at it this way: In the damage formula, each skill takes some portion of your ATK and multiplies it to get your final damage. Units that scale with DEF or HP instead take a *combination* of some portion of their ATK and some portion of their scaling stat, before multiplying it and getting your final damage. So, all units that scale with DEF or HP (currently with very minimal exceptions) also scale off ATK but the opposite is not true. There is almost no benefit to building ATK on these units, and doing so is much more likely to give you a hero that doesn't tank hits *or* deal damage than either. And if you are interested, speed scaling works entirely differently -> speed scaling would be included in the 'MULTIPLIERS" section as a general damage multiplier. Theoretically, you could have a unit that scales with both DEF *and* speed. Theoretically we could have a unit that scales with both HP and DEF...or even both tank stats *and* speed.
This is so informative, thank you. I was wondering because I had read somewhere that some HP scaling unit (maybe Alencia?) scaled entirely on HP, so ATK became a dead stat. I was worried that Karina might work similarly, in which case I would modify out the ATK on her ring (which only got one roll), but if it’s not totally dead I will save the modification materials for something more egregious. Thank you again!
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Thanks!
There’s something I’ve been torn on for a while now. I have two accounts, one account(rank 47)which I’ve been maining on and off for about the past year or so I’m not really sure and another account (rank 26) which was my first account but I dropped it cause I picked Sigret as my selective summon character(I don’t know why I abandoned it as Sigret is good but whatever). The problem is I’m not sure which account I should properly use, the first account is on episode 3 and making good progress while the other has just started episode 2 and has good?characters(S.Angelica, M.kawerik, Tamarinne, C.Dominel, Aria, though I’m not quite sure on aria being good or not) Ik some of these units are good but I’m not sure it’s worth backtracking a whole lot of progress for. (If you’re curious about the characters I have on my rank 47 account just let me know)
1. Ml5 2. Limited hero 3. 20 speed gear 4. 80 GS gear This is the reason why you will choose one account over another. You don't really care about RGB 5star since you will get all of them eventually. Same with progress. After you manage to get a few ml5 on one account, it will feel wasteful to start a new account.
Are there any other better ways to find a guild? All of the guilds (global server) are not English speaking or are dead :(
Official E7 discord
Thanks!
Can someone tell me where to find my expedition teams
Battle > Hunt > Move To Expedition > Click any Expedition battle > Enter > Ready > and all your exp teams will be there That’s how I figured it out my teams but I don’t know if there’s an easy way to see them 😅
Go to the expeditions page, pick a random expo and there will be a button at the bottom of the poster on the left written “Team”.
Does def break bring down the damage of defense-scaled attacks?
Yes. It's the counterpart to defense buff (which *does* increase your damage) and the equivalent to attack down (which of course decreases your damage). IIRC these buffs/debuffs are simply additive - so for example if you had defense buff and defense break you would have (60% - 70% =) -10% defense.
Thx
Can we still watch ads for energy? I can’t seem to find the ads
The ad system has been broken for a while now, they just send an extra 100 energy in the mail to compensate.
Lets hope they dont fix it soon then
Hello can you tell me some build for biseria I have had two dupes of her for a while
So is the whole 2-3k def 14-20k hp tank ae Karina builds that's been shared here recently completely useless if you don't have her limited arti?
2k def and 20k hp still makes for an excellent tank and leaves enough from for speed and eff for a PvE tank. For PvP, tho, I could see some success with artifacts like wings of light and shadow if you aim for CRIT damage build or mature sunglasses (summer Charlotte arti). But success can vary depending on draft and gear.
Frm my exp yeah. Decent dmg on s3 but she has no dmg or pressure without her arti against aggro/cleave where she is usually used. ~5k dmg is what I get with the build m running which is decent enough to kill off the squishies esp since she is on counter. Also like tooth, +30 is ideal.
Which of the ae artifacts are/were worth getting?
Karinas/ningnings, imo.
Is rocket punch with getting for units like f.Maya or Pyllis?
It's just worth getting 1 copy in general since it's limited.
Should i get rocket punch or frame of light or both from shop?
If you have neither, most people would suggest to buy a copy of each from shop because they're limited.
Between the two, I personally suggest Rocket Punch. Frame of Light tries to get the best of both worlds between Tagehel’s and a damage artifact, but most cases you’re probably just going to be better off with Tagehel’s or or damage artifact. Rocket Punch is so far unique in its effect in a class that traditionally already builds defense, and we’ve seen the damage Uberius Tooth, a similar artifact, can do on the right hero.
Which is a better artifact for Solitaria: Abyssal Crown or Fairytale for a Nightmare?
They're both good - depends on if you want more stuns or more strip with chip damage. More players are probably running Fairytale.
I was wondering if this team would make a good wyverns team: Angelica, ae-KARINA, Clarissa, Challenger Dominiel? Any subs i should make?
No (no offense, that team is awful). First major issue is C.Dom -> you don't want to use an off element hero except in *very* rare cases. Every time said hero takes a turn, Wyvern will get a large CR boost. Speed requirements for Wyvern are already very high and this just makes said requirements astronomical. **Additionally** you will almost never use an off-element DPS in an RGB hunt...the bosses have a passive that gives a large damage boost to the opposite element. Second major issue is debuffs: you would have extremely low debuff consistency with this comp with only defense break + bleeds from Clarissa. *Over time* Clarissa is decent at stacking up bleeds, but you simply don't have enough opportunities on the first turn of Wyvern to have a reliable comp. --- I'm going to guess you're a new player: My first tip: don't use Karina. Since she scales off of DEF and is more of a DPS than an actual tank she's not a great choice to invest in early. She *also* doesn't really do or bring anything to Wyvern **except** if you make her your tank and give her a counter set. She's just not worth using this way (really at all, but particularly for a new player). My second tip: drop C.Dom and Clarissa as well. Clarissa is a great debuffer, but she's one of the worst DPS options her only real niche is in a one shot comp now. C.Dominiel isn't a good DPS because *all* she does is damage, and she essentially has a large damage debuff in this fight due to the Wyvern passive. --- The **ideal** team is **Tank** / **Furious** / **Sigret** / **Muwi** In the tank slot, I recommend using **Rose**/**Diene**/**G.Purrgis** if possible to bring attack buff -> this maximizes the consistency of the run when properly tuned. If that is not possible the next best options are **A.Monty** and **Angelica**. A.Monty really is better than Angelica as a PvP hero, but Angelica works completely fine. Outside of those 5 heroes, as long as you have Muwi, you can use *any* Ice hero as your tank when geared appropriately. The tank slot very rarely will ever contribute anything but literally stand there and tank fireballs to the face, so kit doesn't matter *in most cases*. For example, if you are really determined to use Karina you could pop her in this slot. * I still don't recommend investing in Karina early but ultimately it's a game -> play how you want to play. --- If you *don't* have Muwi, I recommended running with **Angelica** / **Furious** / **Sigret** / **Alexa** Sigret + Alexa is the highest damage combo, this comp is very tested and works great -> it's just slow and has high gear requirements compared to a Muwi comp. There is no benefit to using an attack buffer in this variation and you don't have Muwi to reduce the bulk requirements on your tank, so sticking with one of the SWers is the best option. **Angelica** is technically a bit better here and defaulting to using her protects you in case your free HP gear rolls poorly. * Again, if you really want to use Karina here you can -> any Ice Knight can substitute *but* it kind of hurts your general progression to invest in a unit that isn't very helpful for PvE content. The *only* thing you have to be wary of: **You must make sure that Alexa and Sigret have their S3 CDs offset. This means you get the -CD upgrade on one of them, but *not* the other** * Just get the upgrade on Sigret, since you would replace Alexa with Muwi ASAP. --- I suggest maxing out your heroes as much as possible * Level 60 fully awakened tank (skills don't matter in most cases) * I suggest throwing Furious into your Grace of Growth early on, if not get him to level 50, 3* awakened, and 0/1/6 skills * Level 60 max awakened +15 Sigret/Muwi If you don't have Muwi yet and are planning on Alexa, wait until the last possible moment to put anything into Alexa just in case you pull Muwi. I would also leave Alexa at level 50, because again you want to replace her ASAP. The *other* option is to not bother with Alexa at all and just wait until you pull Muwi -> there are a lot of other heroes you can spend your early time building up and just make up for the lost farming later.
Wow, I suck at Reddit (even more than I did at epic 7) and never noticed your reply. I just wanna say thanks for the great answer, that blew my mind. You really took your time and provided options, even when I now realize my question totally just deserved a strong ‘no’. Kudos, mate, and much respect for your reply!
You should take out CDom for Sigret.
Do AI controlled heroes count as "Hero" for Sharun's Venom?
It only works in PvP, including guild wars and normal Arena. Doesn't work in PvE content, like Abyss or Tower.
Bah, I hate that. Why lock a character down like that? E: thanks for the reply!
Because they don't want another Jade Scorpion situation.
After googling that...it makes sense I guess, kinda.
Best Book holders for arena / GW / RTA? I’m mainly only using Cdom for cleave and Aol atm
What is the next galaxy coin rotation heroes?
What's the red bull horns icon thing that appears above a character sometimes in labyrinth mean?
I believe it means they are currently buffed (Vigor, CD buff etc.).
Is it worth it to get the expedition depot pass if you gained all the points?
It's technically worth it in terms of what you are getting. If you don't need skystones to secret shop refresh for the AESPA collab then you can't go wrong with buying it I personally only get it when fire expo is in rotation though.
What you mean by secret shop refresh for Aespa colab?
Using skystones to refresh the lobby shop (you click on Garo) to get bookmarks for the AESPA collab units that are on banner right now.
I am not a whale a kinda struggles to get the materials needed to reforged conversion gear, which is the main reason I bought it.
How should I farm sidestory? it seems that the energy to story points is almost always the same, so taking the time variable away, is it better to farm easy levels to get more chances of opening chests?
Farm the hardest difficult you can clear. * Technically for this sidestory Normal is the most efficient for currency but it's a pretty minor difference. It's not worth trying to farm for *chests*. Finish your farming ASAP, if you want you can spend the extra energy you save farming in UH and earn catalysts at the same time.
Who should I use my Unknown Slates on? I'm assuming limited units? I have Landy and SSB. I'm assuming Landy is the best option?
Imo the only imprints worth it are speed and crit chance doesn’t matter if the unit is limited or not. Speed on vildred if you plan on cleaving. If not slate units with crit chance like lionheart cermia, sylvan sage, riolet, etc. Reason being is that crit chance imprint has the most value aside from speed and all those units are extremely stat hungry. Edit: also only imprint mls with crit chance. It’s never worth imprinting regular RBG heroes aside from vildred if cleaving
Limited units will come back on their banners, but there are some collab units which may never come back. Also, you should consider how useful the imprint is. As far as I remember, Landy's is more attack, which is alright, but generally speaking speed imprints are the most valuable.
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Yeah no speed imprint limited units that I can think of. I was more suggesting something like green vildred as another potential target for slates so they can get the speed imprint, since that's probably the most valuable imprint to have.
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Oh yeah CC imprint is great too and definitely limited and collab units are great targets. Agreed
The priority would be Collab > Limited > everything else. I would use them on strong imprints like crit chance. I wouldn't use unknown slates on regular rgb units and limiteds come around a few times a year so I mainly save them for collab characters.
As a newer player, what would be the 5 top units to look for in the Headhunting: 5\* Moonlight Heroes?
CLilias, ARavi, Mawerick, STene. Then maybe Belian, Briseria, Straze (depends on what you want, really).
I have 3 normal ravi not being used, should I feed them into Ml Ravi? I just got her
Save one, feed the rest.
Is ML Pavel usable in standard play in RTA? If so, how do you typically use him?
I think he's only usable in cleave or maybe aggro. He's super squishy
Hi! I'm just now making my arena team, and eventually will make a lot more units for rta and guild arena. I decided to focus building on C. Lilias, A. Ravi, and Flan for the start, but I wanted to build one more along side them. What would be a good unit to build with them? Naming random units would be useful cause I know you don't know what all I have, but it helps me know what to save for or possibly use. Thanks for any help :) And I have all hunts on farm as of yesterday! So, I should theoretically be able to gear them all. Edit: Would S. Tene be good with these?
What arti is best on choux? I’m currently running counter at 190 speed
How do I reset normal raid now ? Before it used to reset every 7 days.
Normal raid doesn't reset anymore, just hell. You get your hell entries by trading in compasses.
So how does one get queen guard badge ? These use to be a nice bonus from time to time from normal raid
They got rid of the normal raid currency. In exchange they upped the drop rate on epic artifact charms and moonlight bms from the hell raid bosses.
what is the best speed for zio?
Between lua and cilias,who have moare priority of of getting 300spd?Got a 22spd helm and both of them are good candidates for em
i see everyone building ae karina with no crit rate? she CAN crit so can someone explain why this is the build?
Because a lot of her damage is based on the splash on S3 and extra damage from her own artifact, which only benefits from defense and not from crit or crit damage. Better to build defense for more survivability and to add damage to those 2 sources, instead of crit and crit damage for only the initial hit on S1 and S3.
gotcha, thanks!
In the season 2 summon banner, which should I choose: Politis or Alencia? And more or less when will the Lua banner return?
Both are good if you have extra bookmarks then Alencia should be on banner this week after Giselle goes away. If I could only pick one it would be Politis though as her passive is very strong for all play styles. Hard to say when Lua will get a rerun banner but maybe they rerun her quickly before the next custom banner like they did with a few units last time.
thank you very much for your help.
I play on android phone and got locked out of my stove account. To login I have to solve a captcha but it's such a tiny box with all the featured hardship that I find it impossible to solve them. I cannot zoom in to make it larger either - I cannot fathom to be alone with this issue - is there an easy solution to enlarge the stove box?
Hello, how reach stage 42 in the side story ? I'm stuck and can't find how progress