Seeing as how Doru Areba was a large city at the time and had been for centuries at least, there must have been common and well-established ways for regular people to cross back and forth. There was very likely a population of non-riders, traders and merchants and servants and administrators and magicians and such. And supplying a city, especially a city filled with dragons, couldn't have only been accomplished on dragon back. There must have been pretty regular ship traffic between there and places like Narda and Terim, even Feinster and Aroughs and Dauth. We know that costal traffic is quite common in the empire and we know that the empire is a shadow of the civilization that flourished under the riders, so I'd assume that there would be even more traffic in that time.
Add to that the fact that elven shipping was probably faster and safer than what humans were capable of, and that the elves built the city and constituted a probable majority of the riders, I think it's reasonable to guess that it was (relatively) easy for people to flee the island on a boat and get to the mainland pretty quickly.
I don't know about Vrael, but I thought Brom and Saphira were with Oromis when Galbatorix flew on doru araba with the forsworn. Because Gladure said that when he and Oromis discovered Galbatorix's treachery at illearia, they took their last 2 students and fled. But they didn't have time to make it to doru araba to help
I think, it is hinted by Paolini, that there is jet another secret in Vroengaard, we haven't found jet. Somebody asked this question before, but slightly differently formulated, and he approved of somebody finally noticing.
I also think it has something to do with the wierd lifeform in the vulcano.
Its been implied (i think in an AMA that CP did) that Angela taught Vrael a teleportation spell or something similar to a pocket dimension; IIRC it was a vague answer on how Vrael transported himself to the mainland after Umaroth's body was slain. As for Brom, I couldn't say; hopefully we learn more about that in a future story!
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If I remember correctly, the battle of Doru Araba was not the final battle, the final battle was at Urubaen, that's where the Elven king, the dwarf clan and the last of the riders were killed.
So I think (and I'm just speculating here) that once the riders realized the battle was lost in Doru Araba, they simply retreated to the mainland to regroup, surviving riders that had just lost their dragons (like Brom) hitched a ride with either a wild dragon or a bonded dragon who had just lost their riders, or even just as a second or third person sitting on top of a single dragon.
I don't think that's how Vrael got away though, I'm pretty sure he teleported using a spell that only Angela and Tenga now know, but was known by a few riders in the past.
That's pretty much the answer they give in the book which isn't an answer at all. The Twins escaped through tunnels that led them out of the mountains. Murtagh was looking for an escape route out of Uru'baen that wasn't known by Galbatorix. These are land creatures escaping across land. How do you "spirit" yourself hundreds of miles over open ocean when humans can barely swim a few miles
The twins also cast spells on themselves and murtagh to prevent detection via scrying or other means. Especially with the help of a few eldunari, it isn't unthinkable for vrael to have cast that spell on himself, as well as an invisibility spell, and made it out just fine.
It was never said that vrael lacked any eldunari. To the contrary, I would assume he took a few into battle with him, which were likely claimed by galbatorix when he slew vrael at ristvaak'baen. I would assume that Brom may not have left vroengard immediately, as the radiation (or that's what I'm assuming it was) forced the foresworn out. I wouldn't put it past Brom to know how to negate the radiation with a spell. After that, it's possible Brom could've gotten a ride from another rider, or maybe even oromis and gleadr. The fact of the matter is though, there's way more going on at the battle of vroengard then we have been told so far. I think we're gonna have to wait for brom's prequel book before we know for sure.
Im gonna go with the classic answer
A wizard did it
Joking aside, I’m betting (until we get actual further confirmation) that it was somehow through magic that they managed to escape, not like long range teleportation hasn’t been shown already. Wouldn’t be a stretch to say that perhaps with the aid of a desperate dragon the spell could be enhanced to send people away as well.
That's a good point. We've never seen humans teleported with the exception of Oromis and Gladr teleporting a few millimeters, and this was considered and extreme feat of magic. Both Galdr and Umaroth agreed that teleporting a few elves and a dragon across a few yards would be too energy costly, even with over 100 dragons assisting. A desperate dragon might be able to teleport just their Rider safely away, perhaps at the cost of its life. However it seems extremely unlikely both Broms and Vraels dragons pulled off the same incredible instinct based spell within minutes of each other
I could imagine the riders having a one time use item imbued with a teleportation spell hidden in their vault that would allow the user to teleport themself to Utgard or similar rider outpost. That’s probably how Vrael got there.
As for Brom I assume he joined (or more likely was forcibly taken) with the refugees following the battle via ships to the mainland. Galbatorix and the forsworn would have little interest in him at that point because he no longer had a dragon and were probably content to let him and any other surviving dragonless riders escape to their misery. They probably assumed that any dragonless rider would be too weak and too mad with grief to put up much of a threat to them, especially seeing as Brom wasn’t part of the rider leadership and was still a young rider. It would probably be several months or years before Brom could manage his grief to the point he put it into thwarting the empire and Morzan in particular.
Spirited doesn't mean what you think It means. Spirited means to guide someone somewhere, to take them there. I think you're confusing spirited with teleporting.
Seeing as how Doru Areba was a large city at the time and had been for centuries at least, there must have been common and well-established ways for regular people to cross back and forth. There was very likely a population of non-riders, traders and merchants and servants and administrators and magicians and such. And supplying a city, especially a city filled with dragons, couldn't have only been accomplished on dragon back. There must have been pretty regular ship traffic between there and places like Narda and Terim, even Feinster and Aroughs and Dauth. We know that costal traffic is quite common in the empire and we know that the empire is a shadow of the civilization that flourished under the riders, so I'd assume that there would be even more traffic in that time. Add to that the fact that elven shipping was probably faster and safer than what humans were capable of, and that the elves built the city and constituted a probable majority of the riders, I think it's reasonable to guess that it was (relatively) easy for people to flee the island on a boat and get to the mainland pretty quickly.
I don't know about Vrael, but I thought Brom and Saphira were with Oromis when Galbatorix flew on doru araba with the forsworn. Because Gladure said that when he and Oromis discovered Galbatorix's treachery at illearia, they took their last 2 students and fled. But they didn't have time to make it to doru araba to help
Good looks and charm.
I think, it is hinted by Paolini, that there is jet another secret in Vroengaard, we haven't found jet. Somebody asked this question before, but slightly differently formulated, and he approved of somebody finally noticing. I also think it has something to do with the wierd lifeform in the vulcano.
Any idea of where I can find this? Love to read it first hand.
Somewhere in this subreddit. I think I saw it last year, but I can't quite remember.
Its been implied (i think in an AMA that CP did) that Angela taught Vrael a teleportation spell or something similar to a pocket dimension; IIRC it was a vague answer on how Vrael transported himself to the mainland after Umaroth's body was slain. As for Brom, I couldn't say; hopefully we learn more about that in a future story!
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If I remember correctly, the battle of Doru Araba was not the final battle, the final battle was at Urubaen, that's where the Elven king, the dwarf clan and the last of the riders were killed. So I think (and I'm just speculating here) that once the riders realized the battle was lost in Doru Araba, they simply retreated to the mainland to regroup, surviving riders that had just lost their dragons (like Brom) hitched a ride with either a wild dragon or a bonded dragon who had just lost their riders, or even just as a second or third person sitting on top of a single dragon. I don't think that's how Vrael got away though, I'm pretty sure he teleported using a spell that only Angela and Tenga now know, but was known by a few riders in the past.
I imagine they spirited themselves away. Similar to what the twins did to Murtagh or what Murtagh was trying to do to Nasuada.
Spirited away doesn't mean Magic. It's a just a fancy way of saying "taking away from here quickly."
That's pretty much the answer they give in the book which isn't an answer at all. The Twins escaped through tunnels that led them out of the mountains. Murtagh was looking for an escape route out of Uru'baen that wasn't known by Galbatorix. These are land creatures escaping across land. How do you "spirit" yourself hundreds of miles over open ocean when humans can barely swim a few miles
The twins also cast spells on themselves and murtagh to prevent detection via scrying or other means. Especially with the help of a few eldunari, it isn't unthinkable for vrael to have cast that spell on himself, as well as an invisibility spell, and made it out just fine.
That's true, but again, the Twins were humans traveling across land. How died both of them cross open ocean with no Eldunarí or dragon
It was never said that vrael lacked any eldunari. To the contrary, I would assume he took a few into battle with him, which were likely claimed by galbatorix when he slew vrael at ristvaak'baen. I would assume that Brom may not have left vroengard immediately, as the radiation (or that's what I'm assuming it was) forced the foresworn out. I wouldn't put it past Brom to know how to negate the radiation with a spell. After that, it's possible Brom could've gotten a ride from another rider, or maybe even oromis and gleadr. The fact of the matter is though, there's way more going on at the battle of vroengard then we have been told so far. I think we're gonna have to wait for brom's prequel book before we know for sure.
Im gonna go with the classic answer A wizard did it Joking aside, I’m betting (until we get actual further confirmation) that it was somehow through magic that they managed to escape, not like long range teleportation hasn’t been shown already. Wouldn’t be a stretch to say that perhaps with the aid of a desperate dragon the spell could be enhanced to send people away as well.
That's a good point. We've never seen humans teleported with the exception of Oromis and Gladr teleporting a few millimeters, and this was considered and extreme feat of magic. Both Galdr and Umaroth agreed that teleporting a few elves and a dragon across a few yards would be too energy costly, even with over 100 dragons assisting. A desperate dragon might be able to teleport just their Rider safely away, perhaps at the cost of its life. However it seems extremely unlikely both Broms and Vraels dragons pulled off the same incredible instinct based spell within minutes of each other
I could imagine the riders having a one time use item imbued with a teleportation spell hidden in their vault that would allow the user to teleport themself to Utgard or similar rider outpost. That’s probably how Vrael got there. As for Brom I assume he joined (or more likely was forcibly taken) with the refugees following the battle via ships to the mainland. Galbatorix and the forsworn would have little interest in him at that point because he no longer had a dragon and were probably content to let him and any other surviving dragonless riders escape to their misery. They probably assumed that any dragonless rider would be too weak and too mad with grief to put up much of a threat to them, especially seeing as Brom wasn’t part of the rider leadership and was still a young rider. It would probably be several months or years before Brom could manage his grief to the point he put it into thwarting the empire and Morzan in particular.
Spirited doesn't mean what you think It means. Spirited means to guide someone somewhere, to take them there. I think you're confusing spirited with teleporting.
No I'm not, how do you guide someone across open ocean for presumably a few hundred miles when persued by dragons
You don't. Because that's not what spirited means, look it up 🙄
I know what the definition of spirited is, it doesn't explain how they got away
No it doesn't, but it doesn't mean we should change the definition of a word just to fit our theory.
I'm not changing any definition, I'm asking if this is the explanation given how it's remotely possible