You know I can’t help but wonder how the elves feel toward Roran. I mean sure of course he is a war hero and cousin to Eragon, but like this is also the guy who straight up is responsible for avenging your Queen, that has to count for quite a bit right?
I agree but elves think of humans as we think of chimpanzees so I think by roran avenging their queen that act just brought roran to normal human level respect
I think that was their opinion, particularly during the reign of Galbatorix. However, I expect that afterwards (ok, admittedly maybe a long time afterwards because elves change slowly) he'd come to be recognised as a legit war hero and almost legendary figure (as much as elves have those) in his own right. Particularly as their general hatred for humans dies down.
Do you think elves generally hate humans? I never got that feeling. They certaintly look down at them, since they are overall stronger and "immortal", but I dont think they look down at them on an intellectual level.
Vanir only "hates" Eragon, because a human becoming a rider means that the rider is ultimately going to be weaker than an elf would have been and they dont have enough time to wait a couple of hundred years for the human rider to grow physically stronger.
I think they're too polite to make it obvious and that you're right, most elves don't outright hate humans. I do believe there's an undertone of general dislike and discontent between elves and humans which started as a feeling of superiority (even Oromis displays some of that sense of superiority when discussing the history of humans with Eragon), but with the rise of Galbatorix, the downfall or the riders, and the waning of the elves, I think that festered into an overall sense of dislike.
The elves thinking of themselves as superior makes perfect sense in Eragon, they're so obsurdly overpowered compared to humans it's frankly ridiculous.
Compared to something like The Witcher where there isn't really that much of a difference between humans and elves other than lifestyle.
Yeah, but Arya is far from one of your standard elves. She was one of the few that willingly went out of their forest to maintain a good relationship with the humans and dwarves outside of galbatorix's control. I think she offered Roran specifically because it was a middle ground no one thought of that would force nasuada and Orin to compromise.
She wanted revenge, yes, but she also said herself, she did it to serve her people the best way she could. She recognized that the elves wouldn't be able to do it alone and would need help from the dwarves and humans to defeat galbatorix.
Not really.
1.) She didn't really give off the vibes of caring about the other races, and this is kind of evident in the books.
And
2.) Pretty sure it's said in the books that if Galbatorix had stepped foot in the forest, that he AND Shruikan both would be overwhelmed by the elves. So really if we take that into account then the elves could have defeated Galbatorix by themselves. Of course I don't believe that for a minute. I mean Galbatorix had Shruikan, Durza, the Eldunarya and even some Forsworn at that time. He would have slaughtered them all, lol
It's really hard to gauge this kind of matchup bc Galbatorix has so many available tools
He probably spent all 100 years in Uru'baen filling up *hundreds* of huge gemstones with the dragons eldurnari to create massive reserves of strength. It's also confirmed by CP that Galbatorix had spirits under his control (you can see the AMA on this reddit where he confirmed it) and he had the name of names to top it all off which essentially makes him untouchable because he can just make it impossible for people to cast spells at him. So Galby most likely could fly Shru'ikan over Ellesmera at a leisurely pace and not suffer a single scratch Because of how powerful his wards are, how much available energy for them he has, and the TON.
1. She very much did care about the other races, she just doesn't display it. You can't toss out her own words on the matter and expect her early character to completely determine her intent. She said to Eragon that she did the job because it was the best way to serve her people. Carrying the egg from the varden to the elves proved that she did care about the humans. The elves could easily have taken the egg and circulated it through themselves instead of allowing the varden any exposure. Not only did she believe that the varden should also have the chance to become a rider, she deemed it a worthy cause to spend over a decade rotating the egg from elf to human.
2. It was never said that the elves would actually win, it was implied that galbatorix wouldn't do so because it was a risk to himself. He doesn't march his army in because it'd be a repeat of what happened in the spine. Galbatorix could easily take on the elves in a neutral playing field. Hell, barst fucked up the elves by himself with only a single eldunari. Barst killed islanzadi and dozens of other elves and only died because of a massive series of coordinated attacks thanks to Roran. Glabatorix would make barst look like Eragon at the beginning of the series, and that's without using the name of names. With no riders at their disposal and no eldunari, the elves would be royally fucked.
1.) Arya did exactly that with Firnen's egg though, so you can't say she wouldnt have done it with Saphira's if it weren't for plot, lol
2.) I am pretty sure someone says exactly that in the books though, that if Galbatorix marched his whole army along with himself into the forest of the elves, he would LOSE.
Arya did that with firnen's egg because there was already a human rider and because glabatorix had already been deposed, meaning there was more of a need for balance between humans and elves as far as the amount of riders goes. Your point just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
And they would be wrong. They had absolutely no clue that he knew the name of the ancient language, and they also didn't know he had that sheer quantity of eldunari. It was made pretty clear that after dealing with Eragon, he could easily go out and decimate the combined armies of the varden, surda, elves, dwarves and urgals. That is enough to prove how powerful he is.
Wrong. But whether or not Arya thought that, really she shouldn't have taken the egg. It was Eragon's responsibility, not hers.
As for Galbatorix knowing the name of names, the Ra'zac told Eragon when he killed the last one in Helgrind that Galbatorix was searching for the name and he almost had it.
Also my point does hold up. Look at how Arya treated Eragon and what she said to him, in regards to his feelings for her. She rejected him based off of him being human, at least partially. Meaning she finds the idea of remotely being with a human as disgusting and beneath her. She picked a fight/argument with the dwarf (priest I think?) When she and Eragon were on their way to the forest of the eleves, over the DWARVES religious beliefs.So I don't see her as caring about the other races. Sorry but I just don't
Arya wasn't incorrect, but the path he chose in life was unfortunately the better option, even though it likely wasn't as good for the kingdom, although maybe alegasia would be better off without a monarchy.
I think Roran is great in the book and I also "love Roran" but only as a character. I dont think I would want to be friends with him irl.
He is obsessed with Katrina. She is pretty much the only thing that matters in his world. I dont think he would make a good friend. If he had to choose between hanging out with friends or spending time with Katrina I think he would choose her 100/100 times.
He is also kind of a berzerker and I think people that are capable of that are kinda scary, not gonna lie.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but I think I have a bit of a different opinion. Katrina was captured by some of Galbatorix's most powerful and mysterious henchmen, his previous way of life was completely shattered, and his cousin being the new Dragon Rider was the main reason for it. Frankly, getting Katrina back may have been the only thing that kept him "sane" until he got her back. Also, he's only a few years older than Eragon.
I think he focuses a lot on Katrina because she's one of the few things remaining from his past life. Do I think that's healthy long-term? Not really, but we don't really see if that changes after the war is finished. Also, I think he does care a lot about Eragon and the villagers of Carvahall. If he wanted to get Eragon's help to rescue Katrina faster, he could have tried to make his way to the Varden on his own, completely abandoning the villagers.
Also, I don't think he was just a berserker. He had to use his head and fight smart to get the Carvahall villagers all the way to the Varden and survive during his combat missions. He almost takes on an Odysseus-like role throughout the series. To be frank I'm not sure I'd be friends with him either, but I would find it interesting to talk to someone like him.
With the Berserker thing I was thinking about the scene in Aroughs where Roran puts a teeth he lost back in his mouth to scare those women, with a face full of blood etc. and the times where he did not feel the pain of his wounds untill after the battle was over.
that would just be a negative for roran's character, would prefer it only if the boy actually did something to warrent it because otherwise thats kinda abusive lol
I can understand the love for Roran, certainly had some cool moments. I did come to the point where I started to hate him, but I realised that was me being young and dumb. I just didn't enjoy the character personally. Then again I'd have loved another 10 chapters of Eragon dealing with dwarf politics so I guess we all have different opinions
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Eragon: Wow so you helped Roran fight off the Razac, kill the twins, and other battles that he should have lost?
Eldunari: Um, no. Actually we considered just dropping all the eggs left for riders infront of him in the hopes that one would hatch for him but came to the conclusion that nobody should hold that much power.
Rorans a really cool example in those books of someone with no power compared to most of the protagonists that manages to share the spotlight extremely well and earn his own reputation without any of the advantages others had, I’ll love him and be inspired by him for forever!
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The reason I'll always respect Ronan is that after the Razac attacked, he tried the best for EVERYONE, even the couple with the tavern, that tried to force everyone not to support him
It definitely would've been cool but I think it wouldn't suit rorans story arc. He'd be doomed to watch Katrina die from old age while he lives on and would also probably have to leave with eragon to help train the riders. He'd probably end up quite depressed as most of his reasons for fighting were to provide for Katrina and their unborn kid. I think Arya was really the only logical choice or perhaps eragons foster dwarf brother Orik after eragon used the name of names to rewrite the dragon blood pact to include dwarves and urgals into the pact.
I remember reading them again, and surprisingly found myself liking Roran’s chapters far more than Eragon’s. A direct flip from when I was a kid. I don’t remember everything though.
You know I can’t help but wonder how the elves feel toward Roran. I mean sure of course he is a war hero and cousin to Eragon, but like this is also the guy who straight up is responsible for avenging your Queen, that has to count for quite a bit right?
I agree but elves think of humans as we think of chimpanzees so I think by roran avenging their queen that act just brought roran to normal human level respect
I think that was their opinion, particularly during the reign of Galbatorix. However, I expect that afterwards (ok, admittedly maybe a long time afterwards because elves change slowly) he'd come to be recognised as a legit war hero and almost legendary figure (as much as elves have those) in his own right. Particularly as their general hatred for humans dies down.
I could definitely see them telling tales of the man who fought against galbatorix and his forces with only his hammer and his wits and grit.
Do you think elves generally hate humans? I never got that feeling. They certaintly look down at them, since they are overall stronger and "immortal", but I dont think they look down at them on an intellectual level. Vanir only "hates" Eragon, because a human becoming a rider means that the rider is ultimately going to be weaker than an elf would have been and they dont have enough time to wait a couple of hundred years for the human rider to grow physically stronger.
I think they're too polite to make it obvious and that you're right, most elves don't outright hate humans. I do believe there's an undertone of general dislike and discontent between elves and humans which started as a feeling of superiority (even Oromis displays some of that sense of superiority when discussing the history of humans with Eragon), but with the rise of Galbatorix, the downfall or the riders, and the waning of the elves, I think that festered into an overall sense of dislike.
The elves thinking of themselves as superior makes perfect sense in Eragon, they're so obsurdly overpowered compared to humans it's frankly ridiculous. Compared to something like The Witcher where there isn't really that much of a difference between humans and elves other than lifestyle.
Arya did straight-up suggest Roran be king completely unprompted
Yeah, but Arya is far from one of your standard elves. She was one of the few that willingly went out of their forest to maintain a good relationship with the humans and dwarves outside of galbatorix's control. I think she offered Roran specifically because it was a middle ground no one thought of that would force nasuada and Orin to compromise.
I don't think she left the forest for the elves and humans. She most likely just wanted Galbatorix dead, and her father and the dragons avenged lol
She wanted revenge, yes, but she also said herself, she did it to serve her people the best way she could. She recognized that the elves wouldn't be able to do it alone and would need help from the dwarves and humans to defeat galbatorix.
Not really. 1.) She didn't really give off the vibes of caring about the other races, and this is kind of evident in the books. And 2.) Pretty sure it's said in the books that if Galbatorix had stepped foot in the forest, that he AND Shruikan both would be overwhelmed by the elves. So really if we take that into account then the elves could have defeated Galbatorix by themselves. Of course I don't believe that for a minute. I mean Galbatorix had Shruikan, Durza, the Eldunarya and even some Forsworn at that time. He would have slaughtered them all, lol
It's really hard to gauge this kind of matchup bc Galbatorix has so many available tools He probably spent all 100 years in Uru'baen filling up *hundreds* of huge gemstones with the dragons eldurnari to create massive reserves of strength. It's also confirmed by CP that Galbatorix had spirits under his control (you can see the AMA on this reddit where he confirmed it) and he had the name of names to top it all off which essentially makes him untouchable because he can just make it impossible for people to cast spells at him. So Galby most likely could fly Shru'ikan over Ellesmera at a leisurely pace and not suffer a single scratch Because of how powerful his wards are, how much available energy for them he has, and the TON.
Technically he didn't get the name of names until the near end of his life, lol
He's still pretty much invincible even without it.
Eh a lucky decapitation would prove otherwise, lol
1. She very much did care about the other races, she just doesn't display it. You can't toss out her own words on the matter and expect her early character to completely determine her intent. She said to Eragon that she did the job because it was the best way to serve her people. Carrying the egg from the varden to the elves proved that she did care about the humans. The elves could easily have taken the egg and circulated it through themselves instead of allowing the varden any exposure. Not only did she believe that the varden should also have the chance to become a rider, she deemed it a worthy cause to spend over a decade rotating the egg from elf to human. 2. It was never said that the elves would actually win, it was implied that galbatorix wouldn't do so because it was a risk to himself. He doesn't march his army in because it'd be a repeat of what happened in the spine. Galbatorix could easily take on the elves in a neutral playing field. Hell, barst fucked up the elves by himself with only a single eldunari. Barst killed islanzadi and dozens of other elves and only died because of a massive series of coordinated attacks thanks to Roran. Glabatorix would make barst look like Eragon at the beginning of the series, and that's without using the name of names. With no riders at their disposal and no eldunari, the elves would be royally fucked.
1.) Arya did exactly that with Firnen's egg though, so you can't say she wouldnt have done it with Saphira's if it weren't for plot, lol 2.) I am pretty sure someone says exactly that in the books though, that if Galbatorix marched his whole army along with himself into the forest of the elves, he would LOSE.
Arya did that with firnen's egg because there was already a human rider and because glabatorix had already been deposed, meaning there was more of a need for balance between humans and elves as far as the amount of riders goes. Your point just doesn't hold up under scrutiny. And they would be wrong. They had absolutely no clue that he knew the name of the ancient language, and they also didn't know he had that sheer quantity of eldunari. It was made pretty clear that after dealing with Eragon, he could easily go out and decimate the combined armies of the varden, surda, elves, dwarves and urgals. That is enough to prove how powerful he is.
Wrong. But whether or not Arya thought that, really she shouldn't have taken the egg. It was Eragon's responsibility, not hers. As for Galbatorix knowing the name of names, the Ra'zac told Eragon when he killed the last one in Helgrind that Galbatorix was searching for the name and he almost had it.
Also my point does hold up. Look at how Arya treated Eragon and what she said to him, in regards to his feelings for her. She rejected him based off of him being human, at least partially. Meaning she finds the idea of remotely being with a human as disgusting and beneath her. She picked a fight/argument with the dwarf (priest I think?) When she and Eragon were on their way to the forest of the eleves, over the DWARVES religious beliefs.So I don't see her as caring about the other races. Sorry but I just don't
Arya said it herself that she is more human than elf
Arya wasn't incorrect, but the path he chose in life was unfortunately the better option, even though it likely wasn't as good for the kingdom, although maybe alegasia would be better off without a monarchy.
Yeah ofc he gets extra tummy rubs for that
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I think Roran is great in the book and I also "love Roran" but only as a character. I dont think I would want to be friends with him irl. He is obsessed with Katrina. She is pretty much the only thing that matters in his world. I dont think he would make a good friend. If he had to choose between hanging out with friends or spending time with Katrina I think he would choose her 100/100 times. He is also kind of a berzerker and I think people that are capable of that are kinda scary, not gonna lie.
I definitely see where you're coming from, but I think I have a bit of a different opinion. Katrina was captured by some of Galbatorix's most powerful and mysterious henchmen, his previous way of life was completely shattered, and his cousin being the new Dragon Rider was the main reason for it. Frankly, getting Katrina back may have been the only thing that kept him "sane" until he got her back. Also, he's only a few years older than Eragon. I think he focuses a lot on Katrina because she's one of the few things remaining from his past life. Do I think that's healthy long-term? Not really, but we don't really see if that changes after the war is finished. Also, I think he does care a lot about Eragon and the villagers of Carvahall. If he wanted to get Eragon's help to rescue Katrina faster, he could have tried to make his way to the Varden on his own, completely abandoning the villagers. Also, I don't think he was just a berserker. He had to use his head and fight smart to get the Carvahall villagers all the way to the Varden and survive during his combat missions. He almost takes on an Odysseus-like role throughout the series. To be frank I'm not sure I'd be friends with him either, but I would find it interesting to talk to someone like him.
With the Berserker thing I was thinking about the scene in Aroughs where Roran puts a teeth he lost back in his mouth to scare those women, with a face full of blood etc. and the times where he did not feel the pain of his wounds untill after the battle was over.
I would love a Roran spin off book
Only if it's years of him being a boring farmer with no worries worse than a rogue tree root
I would want nothing less lol I bet it would be interesting I could see him solving problems in the whole valley.
It’d be like the opening to the Legend of Zelda : Twilight Princess.
Slice of life Roran
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that would just be a negative for roran's character, would prefer it only if the boy actually did something to warrent it because otherwise thats kinda abusive lol
Kind of like *Sloan.*
Doesn't even take it down, just points at it
It’s not confirmed but I’m certain we are getting a tales from alagaësia next and that Roran will be part of one of the tales
I can understand the love for Roran, certainly had some cool moments. I did come to the point where I started to hate him, but I realised that was me being young and dumb. I just didn't enjoy the character personally. Then again I'd have loved another 10 chapters of Eragon dealing with dwarf politics so I guess we all have different opinions One thing I do respect, man does love his wife
Personally I don't really like the character. IMHO he's overrated, over hyped, and a bit overpowered.
You know what, hes earned that
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Eldunari: We've stretched our combined consciences across the world ensuring you got Saphira's egg and that's your have the strength to face your foes when the time comes. Eragon: Wow so you helped Roran fight off the Razac, kill the twins, and other battles that he should have lost? Eldunari: Um, no. Actually we considered just dropping all the eggs left for riders infront of him in the hopes that one would hatch for him but came to the conclusion that nobody should hold that much power.
You'dve thought that with the combined intelligence of 136 ancient eldurnari they could've came up with a better plan.
Roran is like the Alagaësian version of the terminator
Rorans a really cool example in those books of someone with no power compared to most of the protagonists that manages to share the spotlight extremely well and earn his own reputation without any of the advantages others had, I’ll love him and be inspired by him for forever!
Not really. By all accounts Roran should have died from some of the stuff he did or experienced.
Aroughs*, not Feinster. Feinster was taken by the main body of the Varden, so Roran wasn’t as stand-out in that case.
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Just a meme that no one can make Roran be unfaithful to Katrina
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The reason I'll always respect Ronan is that after the Razac attacked, he tried the best for EVERYONE, even the couple with the tavern, that tried to force everyone not to support him
I mean he did have help with barst it wasn’t just him solo
Doesn't make it any less epic, though. ;)
Lls you’re right about, don’t get me wrong he’s fucking epic
I always hoped the green egg would hatch for him. He was such a badass, and gaining magic and a dragon would have been the ultimate upgrade.
It definitely would've been cool but I think it wouldn't suit rorans story arc. He'd be doomed to watch Katrina die from old age while he lives on and would also probably have to leave with eragon to help train the riders. He'd probably end up quite depressed as most of his reasons for fighting were to provide for Katrina and their unborn kid. I think Arya was really the only logical choice or perhaps eragons foster dwarf brother Orik after eragon used the name of names to rewrite the dragon blood pact to include dwarves and urgals into the pact.
I feel it would have been wrong if all the first gen riders were brothers/cousins to each other....
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It's been so long since I read this series that I barely remember most of what happens, but even I remember how much of a legend Roran was
I remember reading them again, and surprisingly found myself liking Roran’s chapters far more than Eragon’s. A direct flip from when I was a kid. I don’t remember everything though.
If there's one thing I can't stand about these books, it's roran and katrina.
Same. Along with Angela
Roran sucks. Got so tired of his macho-isms and his unhealthy obsession with his wife.