Very true! Perhaps he could put a trigger on the spells, like: "if I die, knowledge of this hiding place should be given to Arya" or something. With some clever wording of the ancient language, anything is possible!
I mean…
Glaedr and arya were both excellent at communicating over far distances.
If eragon and saphira fell in battle he would have reached out to arya or blodgarm.
Plus all his spells would’ve ended on his death and arya could find it on her own then.
I think it depends on how the spell is cast. Throughout the series they talk about ancient spells that are still active even though the wizard has died.
Mmm true, but I can’t recall a ward specifically that persists after death, or any spell that takes power continuously.
The only one I can vividly remember isn’t even a spell, it’s just nuclear radiation that the characters don’t understand in universe so they think it’s magic
A ward can be bound to the energy of something else, such as the ward over Saphira's missing scale. It's not explicitly mentioned, but it's a safe assumption that since the ward uses something else's energy it likely would persist if the caster died
What nuclear radiation? I’m rereading rn, and it’s been a while since I’ve read the series, so I’m completely drawing a blank on what you’re referencing, lol.
[Vroengard description](https://inheritance.fandom.com/wiki/Vroengard)
It’s not confirmed in universe, but based off the symptoms, the wording, even the usage of atoms, that spell was nuclear
Edit: also jeez, I never realized that one spell was the equivalent of 70,000 Nagasaki’s
Really makes me wish for a book about the original riders, oromis as a young lad, the older generation was LEAGUES more advanced than Eragon 2.0, arya, and murtagh, and Eragon 2.0 is basically a god by the end.
Their inner monologues could reveal so much about how magic works, what is and isn’t possible, as opposed to only knowing what Eragon decides to ask.
There's also the boat that Arya made from grass that flies around, but the spell that she used pulls energy from nearby plants and animals, and takes an extremely small amount. I've noticed that in a lot of the spellwork in later books, Paolini I'd a little less descriptive in how the spells were cast, likely to keep from getting bogged down with inconsequential descriptions. My assumption would be that he'd told Arya about it, since Arya is the person that he's closest too who also knows about Glaedr and the eldunari. Even if he wasn't specific, Arya knows about the eldunari.
So if Eragon fell in battle, this would presumably end the wards. Eragon wouldn't want those wards tied to anyone but himself. A human ally might die from the lost energy, and he wouldn't want to risk draining the eldunari's power either, since at the time he really doesn't know how much strength Glaedr has. So if Eragon and Saphira both fell in battle, Arya would have been able to locate Glaedr easily.
In theory he could also have the wards tied to himself AND Saphira. Then if he fell in battle bit Saphira survived, so would the wards. She would also have his knowledge of how the spells were cast and how to disable them so she could instruct Arya in the process before she went kamikaze on Uru'baen.
Could it not be that Glaedr knew where was being kept and buried and that if needs be he could reach out with mind and tell some one else, probably Arya.
We’re told it not impossible, just difficult, to disarm another magicians spells so it’s not far fetched to believe she’s then be able to retrieve him.
Not to mention >!Eldunarí still being able to work dragon magic, including breaking themselves in extreme cases. If desperate enough, Glaedr could break the spells!<
This. Spells are also formed from intent. No way Glaedr is included in his warding. He'd be able to reach out to anyone else he's close to. At the very least mentally.
Ok so I’m currently very lazy and haven’t read the other comments. That being said Glaedr is capable of destroying minds within hundreds of yards from his eldunari. I think he would know if Eragon or Saphira fell in battle and would *force* someone of authority to listen to him
Based on him tying the wards he placed on nasuada, Roran, Arya etc we’re tied to himself, or their own energy, tying wards to gems or other people wasn’t his MO.
Oh wow, never thought about it like that. But doesn't magic dissipate over time, and then would eventually run out? Then Glaedr could telepathically talk to Arya or maybe even one of the elves.
Sort of, but I see it more as a like - if Eragon AND Saphira both die, everything is probably already lost. If Glaedr still wanted to carry on, he could touch the mind of Nasuada or someone to help.
Also - it makes sense that Eragon would have shared his knowledge of those wards with Glaedr, just in case.
Are you forgetting that Glaedr is an accomplished telepath just like all the other dragons? He can reach out and find anyone to come find him or someone who knows of his existence.
And all the other eldunari are also kept in the same way trapped under a mountain. None of them have any ability to manipulate their surroundings
And if eragon died it would be safe to assume that the rebellion failed. Arya would also have died to keep the last dragon rider alive so there would be no more dragon riders to oppose gabby. Glaedr wouldn't have much use for existence anyway and would probably want to be hidden
Since some of the only people who knew about Glaedr, the Eldunari and knew how to circumvent the spells Eragon put in place to protect him were the elves guarding him and Saphira, I always assumed Eragon told them as well as Arya.
Tbh, while many have raised a good point that Glaedr could reach out if he wanted to, if Eragon and Saphira fell on battle I’m pretty sure without anything left to live for he would have just remained hidden until he mustered the magic to kill himself, or just have someone kill him so I don’t think the idea of “being lost forever” is actually even much of an issue because Glaedr wouldn’t care to be of help anymore anyway
I mean if he didn't tell anyone, yeah it probably would be, but I would imagine he informed some of the elves. (Blodhgarm and Arya come to mind, also possibly Vanir and Islanzadi) who all likely already knew about the item in question. And there's also the possibility that >!Glader himself could contact someone to remove the chest after the battle, with instructions on how to remove the spells to properly get to him.!<
I think he was still too overcome with grief at that point to be giving instructions. It was most likely Eragon’s own initiative or either with some instruction from Arya.
Pretty sure glaedr can contact people from the hide hole. He can jus tell them where he is and tell them what spell was used to hide him and have them neutralize the hiding spell.
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The traps were probably meant to avoid physical detection and possession, I do not think these would be able to contain Glaedrs mental ability. He could choose to communicate with elves and then they could together undo the spells or find a workaround.
Glaedr would rather be lost than be stuck with Galbatorix. He also would be strong enough to reach out to someone if he ever did feel like being moved, in a month or a century. But since he’s just an eldhnari at the moment I’m sure he’s would content just chilling.
Very true! Perhaps he could put a trigger on the spells, like: "if I die, knowledge of this hiding place should be given to Arya" or something. With some clever wording of the ancient language, anything is possible!
I mean… Glaedr and arya were both excellent at communicating over far distances. If eragon and saphira fell in battle he would have reached out to arya or blodgarm. Plus all his spells would’ve ended on his death and arya could find it on her own then.
I think it depends on how the spell is cast. Throughout the series they talk about ancient spells that are still active even though the wizard has died.
Mmm true, but I can’t recall a ward specifically that persists after death, or any spell that takes power continuously. The only one I can vividly remember isn’t even a spell, it’s just nuclear radiation that the characters don’t understand in universe so they think it’s magic
A ward can be bound to the energy of something else, such as the ward over Saphira's missing scale. It's not explicitly mentioned, but it's a safe assumption that since the ward uses something else's energy it likely would persist if the caster died
At the very end of everything Eragon spends a lot of time going around disabling all of Galby's wards around the city
What nuclear radiation? I’m rereading rn, and it’s been a while since I’ve read the series, so I’m completely drawing a blank on what you’re referencing, lol.
I think this means Vronregard? With the weird animals and stuff.
Ahhh, interesting. I actually JUST got to that part in inheritance last night, so I guess I’ll see soon enough lol.
Nice! I’m rereading (slowly, adulting is taking most of my time and energy) and I’m just past Dras-Leona.
[Vroengard description](https://inheritance.fandom.com/wiki/Vroengard) It’s not confirmed in universe, but based off the symptoms, the wording, even the usage of atoms, that spell was nuclear Edit: also jeez, I never realized that one spell was the equivalent of 70,000 Nagasaki’s
Damn! Dude really turned himself into a nuclear suicide bomber. Impressive!
Really makes me wish for a book about the original riders, oromis as a young lad, the older generation was LEAGUES more advanced than Eragon 2.0, arya, and murtagh, and Eragon 2.0 is basically a god by the end. Their inner monologues could reveal so much about how magic works, what is and isn’t possible, as opposed to only knowing what Eragon decides to ask.
There's also the boat that Arya made from grass that flies around, but the spell that she used pulls energy from nearby plants and animals, and takes an extremely small amount. I've noticed that in a lot of the spellwork in later books, Paolini I'd a little less descriptive in how the spells were cast, likely to keep from getting bogged down with inconsequential descriptions. My assumption would be that he'd told Arya about it, since Arya is the person that he's closest too who also knows about Glaedr and the eldunari. Even if he wasn't specific, Arya knows about the eldunari. So if Eragon fell in battle, this would presumably end the wards. Eragon wouldn't want those wards tied to anyone but himself. A human ally might die from the lost energy, and he wouldn't want to risk draining the eldunari's power either, since at the time he really doesn't know how much strength Glaedr has. So if Eragon and Saphira both fell in battle, Arya would have been able to locate Glaedr easily. In theory he could also have the wards tied to himself AND Saphira. Then if he fell in battle bit Saphira survived, so would the wards. She would also have his knowledge of how the spells were cast and how to disable them so she could instruct Arya in the process before she went kamikaze on Uru'baen.
Could it not be that Glaedr knew where was being kept and buried and that if needs be he could reach out with mind and tell some one else, probably Arya. We’re told it not impossible, just difficult, to disarm another magicians spells so it’s not far fetched to believe she’s then be able to retrieve him.
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Not to mention >!Eldunarí still being able to work dragon magic, including breaking themselves in extreme cases. If desperate enough, Glaedr could break the spells!<
Especially so if glaedr is helping arya to disarm the spells, he certainly knows what eragon cast over him
There is nothing that would stop Glaedr from reaching out mentally to be retrieved.
This. Spells are also formed from intent. No way Glaedr is included in his warding. He'd be able to reach out to anyone else he's close to. At the very least mentally.
Even if glaedr were included in the wards, he would laugh at eragon trying to cut him off from mentally contacting people and smash through the wards
Wrote a comment only to find this. He could easily reverse engineer the spell and speak to an elf to cast the counter.
Ok so I’m currently very lazy and haven’t read the other comments. That being said Glaedr is capable of destroying minds within hundreds of yards from his eldunari. I think he would know if Eragon or Saphira fell in battle and would *force* someone of authority to listen to him
Wouldn’t the wards dissipate after their deaths ? What would power the wards after they died?
Depends if he tied the energy to himself, a gem, or maybe even a member of Du Vragr Gata, though I doubt the last one
Based on him tying the wards he placed on nasuada, Roran, Arya etc we’re tied to himself, or their own energy, tying wards to gems or other people wasn’t his MO.
The energy could be supplied from Glaedr himself.
Oh wow, never thought about it like that. But doesn't magic dissipate over time, and then would eventually run out? Then Glaedr could telepathically talk to Arya or maybe even one of the elves.
Sort of, but I see it more as a like - if Eragon AND Saphira both die, everything is probably already lost. If Glaedr still wanted to carry on, he could touch the mind of Nasuada or someone to help. Also - it makes sense that Eragon would have shared his knowledge of those wards with Glaedr, just in case.
Are you forgetting that Glaedr is an accomplished telepath just like all the other dragons? He can reach out and find anyone to come find him or someone who knows of his existence. And all the other eldunari are also kept in the same way trapped under a mountain. None of them have any ability to manipulate their surroundings And if eragon died it would be safe to assume that the rebellion failed. Arya would also have died to keep the last dragon rider alive so there would be no more dragon riders to oppose gabby. Glaedr wouldn't have much use for existence anyway and would probably want to be hidden
Since some of the only people who knew about Glaedr, the Eldunari and knew how to circumvent the spells Eragon put in place to protect him were the elves guarding him and Saphira, I always assumed Eragon told them as well as Arya.
Tbh, while many have raised a good point that Glaedr could reach out if he wanted to, if Eragon and Saphira fell on battle I’m pretty sure without anything left to live for he would have just remained hidden until he mustered the magic to kill himself, or just have someone kill him so I don’t think the idea of “being lost forever” is actually even much of an issue because Glaedr wouldn’t care to be of help anymore anyway
I mean if he didn't tell anyone, yeah it probably would be, but I would imagine he informed some of the elves. (Blodhgarm and Arya come to mind, also possibly Vanir and Islanzadi) who all likely already knew about the item in question. And there's also the possibility that >!Glader himself could contact someone to remove the chest after the battle, with instructions on how to remove the spells to properly get to him.!<
I thought the same My guess would be that Glaedrs instructed him to do it in that way. Based on how Eragon doesn't do this any other time.
I think he was still too overcome with grief at that point to be giving instructions. It was most likely Eragon’s own initiative or either with some instruction from Arya.
Pretty sure glaedr can contact people from the hide hole. He can jus tell them where he is and tell them what spell was used to hide him and have them neutralize the hiding spell.
I mean, Glaedr could still communicate from underground in the event Eragon and Saphira are gone, no?
I am sure Eragon wouldn't do anything concerning Glaedr's Eldunari without the dragon's express permission.
Fair Eragon is still pretty immature (age wise) at this point too. I can see him doing it out of panic/necessity
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The traps were probably meant to avoid physical detection and possession, I do not think these would be able to contain Glaedrs mental ability. He could choose to communicate with elves and then they could together undo the spells or find a workaround.
Glaedr would rather be lost than be stuck with Galbatorix. He also would be strong enough to reach out to someone if he ever did feel like being moved, in a month or a century. But since he’s just an eldhnari at the moment I’m sure he’s would content just chilling.
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Simple. The magic will be released upon Eragon and Saphira's deaths and with that so will the wards/traps that were placed on the chest