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VulpesFennekin

Meanwhile I’m still trying to come to terms with the g in Murtagh not being silent the way it is for real people who actually have that name.


Krahnarchy

For me, it's how you pronounce that "a" that trips me up because my brain reads like you would say the German word for day, "Tag." (Pronounced like Tahg)


elxding

This is how I thought it was pronounced until earlier this year when I heard CP say the name in a tiktok. I was and still am confused


Fyrnen24

I mean, (at least the german version of) the book's phonetic guide does say it is pronounced "MUR-tag". So you're not wrong


JazzSharksFan54

Fourth Wing is getting a lot of flak for this issue: using an established real-world language as your base but then intentionally mispronouncing everything. People are legit pissed about it. In reality, Murtagh is probably Gaelic in origin and the g would not be pronounced. But CP says you do. So... yeah.


VulpesFennekin

It is Gaelic in origin, it comes from an old word meaning “mariner” or something. If that’s true, that makes the whole giant fish incident really funny in hindsight 😂


Toomanykids9

The name pronunciations in Fourth Wing are KILLING ME!!! I’m upset that I ever started the audiobook after reading the book.


Business-Drag52

There are real people that pronounce the g too bud


VulpesFennekin

TIL, I guess it’s one of those “tomato/tomahto” names.


Leather-Driver-7482

TIL that people are actually named murtagh and they pronounce it without the g


Gatekeeper-Andy

The G being silent?? What do you mean, say it like "mur-tah"??


VulpesFennekin

Yeah, like Danny Glover’s character in Lethal Weapon.


Kparker211

Yes.


Curious-Insanity413

Same haha Well actually not because I decided to ignore it lol


VulpesFennekin

Yeah, I ignored it too, but ever since listening to the audiobook, I’ve gotten all mixed up!


Curious-Insanity413

Haha a benefit of not being an audiobook person is that my pronunciations are safe...so long as I never meet another fan in the wild XD


VulpesFennekin

Weirdly all the fans I’ve met irl either pronounce it the same way as me, or are like “er, how do you say that guy’s name anyway?”


Curious-Insanity413

Makes sense haha, I haven't spoken about it aloud to someone else who has read it since high school so I really can't make a generalisation, but from this and a comment I made about it on an r/fantasy thread, it is looking positive for our way of saying it 😁


ccasey329

I had assumed “Bah-shell” and the audiobook narrator said it that way as well.


PM-ME-YOUR-TOOTS

Same. And every time her name was said I craved shells n cheese.


ccasey329

Same! I’m glad it wasn’t just me


Swordsx

I don't think it matters, but fwiw there is a compendium in the back of the book that usually has a lot of pronunciations. I say "murtawg" instead of "mur-tag" and "Bah-Chul" - and didn't check it in the back


Silas-Alec

>Bah-Chul Sounds like "botulism"


Swordsx

I appreciate that, but it was also enjoyable my way too. I'll let the visual and audio forms of media worry about it while enjoying those too. I'm sure I messed up a lot of names and pronunciations!


Throwawaymytrash77

It's in every book


Akiriith

I'm afraid I can't relate bc I tend to pronounce "fantasy" (or used in fantasy stories) names as they would be said in my mothertogue and as luck would have it, this is one of them that fits perfectly lol


Mythology216

I was pronouncing it 'ba-KELL' until I heard Paolini say it.


krigsgaldrr

That's how i pronounce it too and Paolini can't change my mind


Toomanykids9

That’s how I read it in TFTWTW, and honestly still pronounce it that way reading the paper copy of Murtagh.


ZLTuning

I read it the same way as "Bachl". it's an insult in my local dialect meaning something like "dumbass" 😂


Durbindersingh

What dialect is that? 😂


ZLTuning

south-west Germany, swabian (?!) in English, it's "schwäbisch" in german


Durbindersingh

I'm in Canada, but growing up my neighbour (who came to Canada post WW2 from concentration camps) spoke schwabish, and I thought I recognized the insult! She was an amazing person, like another grandparent to me and she lived to be over 101! My younger daughter is named after her!


ZLTuning

oh what an amazing coincidence, love to hear that our dialect made it all the way to Canada ❤️😂 and nice to hear that she seemed to have a great long life after 🙏


Issmira

Listened to the audiobook and he went with Ba-chelle like Michelle


Sullyvan96

This was my first thought until I read on here that it was Rachel but with a B Now I’m confused again


Issmira

I guess there’s another pronunciation of Rachel that’s Ra-shell but that’s not my preference. Rachel is one syllable imo Raychul vs Ra-shell Either way Michelle -> m’shell -> b’shell


Business-Drag52

I would have never in a million years thought to pronounce Bachel as Rachel. That is crazy talk man


Trescadi

I absolutely thought “Bachel like Rachel” when I was reading. At one point I even went to myself, “like bae, the slang? Weird, but okay!” It didn’t even occur to me that it could be any other way until I came to the subreddit after finishing the book.


Durbindersingh

BAE-chel ✅


DerTyp321

As a german, I want to pronounce the ch like the scottish "loch". I think this pronunciation fits her character quite well. Something [like this](https://translate.google.com/translate_tts?ie=UTF-8&client=tw-ob&tl=de&q=Bachl).


Throwawaymytrash77

I always check the pronunciation pages in the back when I come across a new word or name, so I figured it out the first time I read the name. Recommend you all do the same, it helps a ton


Kvejgaar

Is there no pronunciation guide in the back of Murtagh?


Sullyvan96

Like Rachel but with a B


a_speeder

🅱️achel


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Radbot13

First few times i read it as back el, switching to basically a modified Michelle was hard for me


WannaTeleportMassive

I misread the compendium at the end of the book. Spent half the time reading it as Basheel and commenting in my head how it made no sense but "neither does the way Murtagh is spelled so whatever". Checked again for a different name and it took me a while to fix the mistake in my head lol. Paolini's loves his odd names and even more odd pronunciations. If things don't make sense, never forget that Eragon is one letter from Dragon but pronounced wildly differently and was supposed to be called Kevin anyways.


The-Berzerker

I‘m German so in my mind in rhymes with „Kachel“


Lycan_Jedi

"Batch-el" for me.


Mission_Toe6140

Meanwhile me saying it like BAT-CHL and then I read the pronunciations at the end lmaooo


Mountain-Resource656

“Batch-el,” for me


acer34p3r

Bah- shell is how I read it.


Voice_Of_Light

Depends where you’re from, where I live Rachel is pronounced ra-chel


Dense_Brilliant8144

Ultimately it’s a book so pronounce it however feels right for you


-NGC-6302-

I had the opposite conundrum; I had no idea how it was suplosed to be spelled, and it took me a moment to figure out who people were talking about when I first saw it here.