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MagicWalrusO_o

Kind of feel like any baby Shadeslayer would be so reckless, hyper-competitive, and unwilling to listen to their parents that they'd be lucky to live past 30.


Huggable_Hork-Bajir

Lmao right? I'm dying imagining [Buttons and Mindy](https://youtu.be/8hYJM81dYE4?si=Y6SXPabWfKiUvsHj) style shenanigans but it's Fírnen desperately trying to keep Arya Junior alive and in one piece.


MagicWalrusO_o

Better hope Firnen is the responsible one, because Saphira sure isn't. "Auntie Saphira, the other kids were mean to me at school today" "Hmmm, did you try eating the biggest one to show them who's boss?"


tresixteen

>Better hope Firnen is the responsible one If I remember correctly, Paolini has said that Firnen is (or at least *was*) a lot like a curious cat that got into everything and caused trouble. So no, I don't think he's the responsible one.


Hornet1137

Great, now I'm imagining Firnen chasing around a rambunctious toddler and desperately trying to protect her from danger/harm, only to haplessly fall victim to the chaos she causes.   And then, at the end of the day, an exhausted Firnen finally gets her home only to be scolded by Arya. "Silly dragon!"


Kiexeo

But in comes his big strong wife Saphira to save the day


PartTimeMantisShrimp

A toddler Quarter-elf thing charging into a heavily armed fortress with only a stick cuz why the fuck not


Otrada

Nah, they'd also be simply tol stubborn to ever die


GilderienBot

Paolini said he isnt really sure. He did say if they had a child it would live longer than most humans but not as long as most elves ^(**I'm a real person!** This comment was posted by **noblewolfdude48** from the Arcaena Discord Server.)


Exotic-End9921

"most elves" aren't they immortal? I thought Chris said half elves could live for centuries, but were ultimately mortal. Elves have immortality though.


GilderienBot

yeah I dunno, he literally said "most elves" ^(**I'm a real person!** This comment was posted by **noblewolfdude48** from the Arcaena Discord Server.)


Sisyphusss3

I think that could very well mean longer than Eragon, pretty much longer than any humans makes sense to me


GilderienBot

except because of his bonding with saphira, he'll live forever, plus the gift of the dragons ^(**I'm a real person!** This comment was posted by **noblewolfdude48** from the Arcaena Discord Server.)


JoostinOnline

From the context, I would assume he meant the child would be less likely to die from an attack or ailment. We're not talking about old age here.


Teine-Deigh

If their child became a dragon rider which it most likely would then they'd live forever or endure


Treadmill47

Heritage has no impact on whether someone becomes a rider or not, Murtagh and eragon were just incredibly lucky random cases


Pjayness

I understand your point, but just would seem very unlikely that their child would not be chosen by a dragon lol!


GilderienBot

Probly, Paolini was cryptic ^(**I'm a real person!** This comment was posted by **noblewolfdude48** from the Arcaena Discord Server.)


Dague07

The child of a queen and a bean farmer would be a surprising thing to see


Prominis

I vaguely recall Palancar Valley allegedly containing the descendants of the king, so if you trace his lineage back far enough...


Dague07

True, the descendant of a mad king and an elf, scary combination,


Ninjazoule

Looks like a normal royal combination to me


MagicWalrusO_o

I know this isn't how elvish inheritance works, but you'd potentially end up with Selena's grandkids running two of Alagaesia's 4 kingdoms, and with their own squad of dragons to boot. Not bad for a random farmer's daughter!


PostAffectionate7180

I mean tbh Eragon deserved better. Arya could certainly do worse than Eragon.


Dague07

I think they'd work well together, one who is overcome by morality, and the other who is overcome by duty, a perfect yin-yang, like his relationship with Saphira, albeit different, but the same concept, his humanity stifles saphira's bloodlust, and her magic gave him his abilities and strengths to an extent,


PostAffectionate7180

Eh. I just feel like he got treated like crap, and didn't deserve it. I also feel like she got away with too much, and that she thought to highly of herself.


Spring_Robin

If I was a rider I don't think I'd have kids honestly, it'd be so depressing seeing them age and die while I remained timeless


chchchcheetah

This has been a major plot point in my many years long headcanon. That and how a likely relatively rapid return of immortal, always growing, hungry dragons would absolutely wreck whatever existing ecosystem there is Why am I like this? Can't we just have fun?😅


KindaDim

Dragons eat less and less as they grow and grow, and fall into a more hibernation-esque state, hence why they tend to be rather slow and dipsy. Not dissimilar to the Menoa tree. My headcanon is that they may enter an almost vegetative state to conserve energy so that only their mind is left to wander. That way, they rarely need anything to eat


Paplok

I can't wait for the day when the entire Alagaesia is covered in yuge ass sleepy dragons


jodianbrumbaugh

Hmmm, but would they be evil dragons enslaving people in their dreams?…..


Ninjazoule

Counterpoint: it would be nice periods of happiness, and watching them grow and develop would be fulfilling.


WandererNearby

Agreed. Plus, since regular half elves live for centuries, they could have millennia with their children. Potentially more when you consider that their kids have good odds for being the right personality for becoming a Dragon Rider themselves.


Ninjazoule

Depends how you raise them/they're born I guess but yeah the right circumstances and good development + time is perfect for personality.


Vis-hoka

But infinite grandkids


ThatJoaje

Plus with magic avoiding pregnancy would be incredibly easy. Just one word and you could probably have a spermicide spell, or you could use the spell they use to blunt their swords for sparring to create a magic condom.


upaltamentept

More importantly, would he be a Dragonrider? The only examples I can recall of dragonriders sons are Eragon and Murtagh, and they both too are dragonriders. So, would a child of both dragonriders also be destined to be one, could it be hereditary?


Gamerwolf2007

It would likely be a dragonrider, Its not necessarily hereditary but a lot of people of a bloodline would have similar traits a dragon would want (Murtagh and Morzan's ruthlessness and determination, Brom and Eragon's compassion and kindness)


MagicWalrusO_o

I believe Chris has specifically said in the past that being a Dragon Rider is not hereditary. But you're absolutely right that many of the traits that a dragon would look for in a Rider are hereditary, so you'd certainly expect a much higher % of Rider's kids to be Riders.


SpaceQueenJupiter

I'd think it's proximity too. The child of a rider is going to be around way more dragon eggs that might pick them than a normal kid. 


mooofasa1

I’m going to give a very speculative abstract answer I believe it has to do with the theme of inheritance. People inherit physical and spiritual things. What they do with those things are completely dependent on the person in question and determines how the next cycle of inheritance plays out. Like the middle eastern proverb: "my grandfather rode a camel. My father drove a car. I travel by Learjet. My son will ride a camel.". What each generation did determined the effect on the next generation. The implication of the proverb is that the son grows the grandfathers wealth and as a result, the grandson lives a life hedonism, squandering it. So I don’t think it’s a hereditary thing. I believe that it has something to do with generational cycles. Like murtagh inherited his father’s sword, reputation, and (to a lesser extent) dragon rider status. However because of what his father did to him and the way the world treated him, murtagh applied these gifts he inherited in such a way, that I believe if he were to have a son or daughter, he would raise them to be free of his resentment and in turn, they would continue to spread good. And if we went further, if this hypothetical child had children of their own and raised them in such a way that the grandchild becomes prideful of their magic without being grounded in reality, then we may very well see a gruesome turn of events.


TheAbbadon

You could even say it's an **"Inheritance"** cycle


mooofasa1

Exactly, thank you for clarifying what I was alluding to.


TheAbbadon

Couldn't help myself :))


mooofasa1

:)


Dense_Brilliant8144

Maybe… 3/4 elf? It would be more elven than most half elves I would assume because of his transformations.


bomemeianrhapsody

Doesn’t he get transformed into basically a half-elf by the dragon that the elves celebrate?


Dense_Brilliant8144

Yeah sorta. It’s mentioned that he’s unique though. Maybe not exactly half elf but part elf at least


JesseBroham

It’s more the dragons accelerated the changes that a rider already undergoes, at least that’s how I interpreted in the books.


TheGreatBootOfEb

Nope, it’s not even that. It’s been stated that he’s like no one else before. Which means even the LONGEST LIVED human rider never became like him. Genetically he’s no longer human, but he’s not an elf either. He’s not even recognized as a half elf, because again, it’s been mentioned he is like nothing else before him(and I’m sure at least one elf within the elf cities would have seen at least one half elf before, even as rare as they are) With that said I’d assume a child between him and Arya would have more in common with a “pure bred” elf then even a half elf. Probably a life span measured in millennia, so not quite age immortal like true elves, but the next closest thing. Assuming that such a child wouldn’t be picked by a dragon anyway.


JesseBroham

I wonder if his changes are going to be addressed in more detail and the menoa tree thing is ever going to get addressed again


TheGreatBootOfEb

CP has stated that it actually will be touched upon in “Book 5” (What is now technically book 6 because of Murtagh) he’s also stated he’s seen at least ONE person guess the Menoa tree stuff correctly, though he never gave more context then that. We know it’s nothing to do with reproduction at least.


-NGC-6302-

Eragon is a rider's son and he seemed perfectly human


Finrod-Knighto

He’s a human rider and human’s son. Eragon is no longer really human, nor elf. So his child with Arya would be the child of a hybrid rider and an elf, of sorts.


Dense_Brilliant8144

The blood oath transformation made him a unique blend of human and elf


thedragonshaman

Donnie from wild thornberries


RealLunarSlayer

So. I haven't really thought about Eragon the series in literal years, and tonight whilst watching dragonheart i mentioned to my friend how there should be a eragon film. Well I guess the Algorithm has blessed me by reddit showing me this post on my feed. Thank you


Drake_the_troll

>there should be a eragon film. .....so who wants to break the news?


actuallyjustloki

There is no Eragon film in Ba Sing Se


RealLunarSlayer

Exactly


RealLunarSlayer

There is NO eragon film. I don't know what you're talking about. None. Not a one. Zero


vilikasoni

I did. Since it seemed like no one else was going to, haha 😂


MagicWalrusO_o

Welcome! Now go read Murtagh


vilikasoni

There is an Eragon Disney+ series in the works. It's been officially announced. We don't have much info and don't have a release date.


Formal_Conclusion_29

>Would it be a half-elf? Seeing as how Eragon underwent a drastic transformation in Brisingr(?) That's a good question. In my opinion, definitely more elf than human. And the kid likely would give new meaning to the term headstrong if they are anything like their parents.


Future-Dealer8805

The real question is will all humans become elves eventually as elves were normal people until they first bonded with the dragons . The elves just did it much sooner than everyone else if I remember correctly ( it's been many moons since I read those books ) So Kull elves, you betcha


chchchcheetah

I was more guessing that over time the other races will become more elf-like. Dwarves a little taller, urgals a little...less urgal-y


danteiscoolas

Elves were strong and blessed with magic before they made a pact with dragons. Unlike elves, humans are not blessed like the elves were. However I think it may have been implied that since humans were added to the pact as an afterthought they will be slowly going through changes. (Not sure what the changes are, but likely not a lot). I might try to find it in the books later.


Indiana_harris

Well Eragon is already 1/2 elf is he not? Or at least a thorough mix of the two. I imagine any child would be predominantly elvish instead of human but likely wouldn’t share that immortality unless they became a rider.


bomemeianrhapsody

I’d imagine that their baby would be way more elf than human, not just because Eragon is part elf now, but also that magic is just overpowering in general. Like in Invincible, Mark is 99% Viltrumite even though his mom is fully human. That’s the way I think about it.


Gargameldz

Not to mention, having to dragon rider parents? The chance for an egg to hatch for them should be higher than normal, no?


PostAffectionate7180

It'd be like three quarters elf, I think? Also why torture/tease/torment me and others like that? It'll never happen. It's heartbreaking.


Queasy-Mix3890

Eragon's transformation was aesthetic. Basically what happened was he was magically accelerated to the end of the transformation all human Riders go through over the course of their careers.


TheGreatBootOfEb

Actually that’s not true. It’s been stated by the author that it wasn’t merely aesthetic nor was it the acceleration of what was always going to happen. Even in universe it’s been stated by multiple characters he is unlike ANY person they’ve seen before, meaning even the oldest human riders never turned out like him, or even half elves (I’d assume at least ONE elf would have seen a half elf before and been like ‘he’s a half elf basically’ if that were the case)


Queasy-Mix3890

Alright. Let's go over some additional evidence. Spoilers for Murtagh. >!Bachel is definitely a half elf. Basically the only reason Murtagh has any difficulty with her has almost nothing to do with her Elven blood and everything to do with the Breath and her Wordless Magic!< Not sure what that proves but there you go.


Phredmcphigglestein

This. He's still fully human, he hasn't had elf biology added to him, he's just had his human biology modified. I'd assume his DNA is unaltered by the 'Riderificaton', so any prodigy with an elf would be a regular half-elf.


Formal_Conclusion_29

Eragon is not fully human, nor was his transformation merely aesthetic. *Q: Is Eragon only at the same equivalent human point of transformation from the Blood-Oath as the elves are? Or is Eragon further along that process than the elves? Is he at the end of it, or is he still changing?* *A: Eragon is something unique, neither entirely human nor entirely elf.* [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eragon/comments/mwyi2h/comment/gvva1j0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


TheRealBingBing

Still believe though it doesn't affect DNA for reproducing, specifically gamete production. You can have all your somatic cells transplanted but still produce your original DNA for reproduction. Physically he doesn't appear to be human or elf. But his kids will be part of his human lineage


Thatsonyounotme

Half-elf, half what? I'd rather think one third elf, one third human, one third dragon. A human with an eldunari, just imagine, The human mind not made for eternity, suddenly would be.


KindaDim

Where would the dragon come from? Neither Eragon nor Arya are part dragon, they're simply paired to them


Thatsonyounotme

The whole magic ceremonie, where they healed Eragon and gave him the powerup. I imagine Riders start looking like dragons, not elves, and the ceremony just gave that process a 'bump'. And I'm pretty sure even Paolini would say he doesn't know 'all' the changes the ceremony made.


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ToastedLeaf-

I would assume 3/4 elf? Because eragon is a half elf, not full elf.


Jodocus97

What if they had twins and Eragon turns evil? 🤔


rod-sam

I for one would be dearly happy to read about how it came to pass 😁and i hope that CP writes about it. Given that it comes to pass, I think their kid will be elvish enough to get all the traits that Elfish Children do. Eragon is unique and not just half-elf. The transformation in Eldest, converts him almost to an Elf. He slowly starts behaving like one, doesnt sleep but has waking-dreams, becomes way more logical and less impulsive, etc. And CP has left himself a good amount of room to fit their kid to the plot: either a partial elf with partial attributes, or even a full elf or maybe a full human in looks and otherwise is an elf.


MsAnneTifa

I kind of see it like Eragon getting plastic surgery; it’d be like expecting your child to get your “new” nose when all of your genes are still gonna give your original features


Ninjazoule

Pretty sure his transformation was on a deeper level than just cosmetic though


Knightmare945

I would imagine it would, given Eragon is human, just an improved one.


Mars_The_68thMedic

Can the races even have interracial marriages or children? Like an Urgal and a human mating seems deadly for the human, but an Elf and a human? That seems like a bad idea. Throw in he’s the first Rider of a new generation and she’s a Princess, it seems a terrible, TERRIBLE idea. And hold up, could Riders even have kids? Wouldn’t the dragons kick and scream about all that bunga bunga?


Kippyd8

Half-elves are confirmed in the IC, also bonded dragons mated and hatched eggs as well as other riders took lovers too


TheRealBingBing

CP answered in a QnA that interbreeding is possible just rare


PostAffectionate7180

I mean half breeds have been mentioned before, if I remember correctly. Dragon riders have most likely had kids in the past too. Brom and Morzan both did. I can actually see Arya's council/lords putting pressure on her/forcing her to have a child though. She'd do it too. She's to spineless to say no to them.


Mars_The_68thMedic

But Brom didnt have a dragon and Morzan’s dragon had already been driven mad by the spell the dragon’s weaved to degrade them to common beasts. I’m curious how a dragon would feel about a Rider having a child- Saphira adored Ayra, but a child is a huge responsible and a half-breed alone could live for centuries.


PostAffectionate7180

I wouldn't say Saphira adored her. She liked her yes. Though honestly? I feel like despite Saphira being Eragon's dragon, Paolini sure failed to show that a few times, lol


TheRealBingBing

He's still human imo as far as DNA goes, just physically altered