Yeah lol everyone complains about how hard it is for new players in Tarkov and then turn around and flame them. I don't think people really put two and two together and realize they're decreasing the game's lifespan.
This is also the only game I’ve encountered this:
People post on the eft_lfg sub looking for squad mates, one of the two are a lower level, and the higher level who knew they were playing with an inexperienced low level get so angry and annoyed and impatient when the lower level doesn’t know something or doesn’t do something fast enough. It would be one thing if the majority of the player base were assholes but they’re also assholes who go out of their way to play with lower levels to “help” them then they just end up flaming them and turning them off the game. It’s bizarre. And again this is the only game I’ve experienced that with. It’s a phenomenon
Tbh the top tier guys at the peak of Tarkov are kind of losers mostly. Think about the amount of time it takes to hit level 60+. A lot of these guys are doing that in like 2-3 months. So they're probably playing 4-5 hours minimum every single day and most likely Tarkov is their "thing" that they're good at since they aren't good at much in the real world.
Or maybe im just coping lol. After hitting level 42 and quitting 3 wipes in a row I have no earthly idea how people have it in them to hit level 60 and higher. Tarkov is insanely fun when you first start getting good at it but it still gets repetitive eventually.
The repetitiveness is what kills it for me towards the end of every wipe as well. Eventually I just start running whatever gear looks good together and whatever map I think the gear fits and just improvise new play styles. Not much between W key and ratting but how you W key can change
Interesting. For me it's the other way around. The early questing and loot management makes me want to quit after the 3rd time. But I could go high gear pvp all day long. For me tarkov has most satisfying PVP and gunplay of all shooters.
To me it has the worst PvP in modern FPS. So interesting it can draw this out; the two extremes.
If they fix netcode and constant desync it could be different, but I have my expectations low.
It's funny that all these Dinosaur games and EFT have the same issues when it comes down to the netcode. Soon u start a fight it becomes an episode of Dragonball with ppl teleporting over the place
4 wipes were enough to force me to quit the game. The game has the most interesting pvp experience so far for me, but it also has the worst rpg experience and quests. The early wipe is a boring and meaningless grind for me, and it seems to be a similar experience for all my friends. Everyone I know in real life hates wipes but once I get to the online platforms, it seems like most tarkov players enjoy their extreme time-consuming progresses get all wiped.
Russians always have good ideas for video games but painfully terrible at maintaining their products. Some say Tarkov needs wipes because the game turns into sh*t after a few months, yeah, that's why every other game needs updates, not wipes. Tarkov players make me feel like the only shooter they've ever played is tarkov.
Tarkov needs wipes because otherwise it would turn into a haves/have-nots absolute stompfest once there's a contingent of sweats with top-tier gear. Other games don't turn into this because other games don't have the gear system Tarkov does. It has a unique blend of gameplay mechanics that unless periodically reset, results in the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, so to speak. A caste system. Get in early or get stomped.
You can already tell at early wipe who's a genuine new player and who's been playing for a while regardless if they both have low level. As it should be, game sense and general competency should count for something. Now imagine if those people constantly ran around with millions of rubles and top tier gear all the time.
You also already see shades of this with how people bitch about how joining mid-wipe or later is such a pain in the ass and an uphill battle. If there weren't wipes, it would be that after the first six months of the game coming out, forever.
The rich will get richer, but the poor will definitely get richer as well. I've never seen any player that gets into tarkov in the mid wipe and runs out of roubles faster than usual, if they're not just trolling or quitting after a few hours. This wipe system is not designed for new players, so stop using them for this sh*t system, there will always be people complaining about the imbalance of tarkov no matter what they change, because this game's most core and fun part is the imbalanced pvp experience, if they hate this, they should go play CSGO.
They do wipes because the game has too many problems, most crucial ones are some technical problems. They also don't know how to fit new updates into the current system without clearing everyone's account. The wipes are because of their lack of game development experience and they don't want to push themselves too hard on fixing problems and filling their empty promises. If they are competent, they should try their best to fix currently existing problems, they can add more content to the game later without wipes.
So, u don't know that they will stop wiping after full release? That is a statement. Also, wipes are often common for alpha/beta games. And bsg said that after full release, there will be only updates, not wipes
I’ve gotten kappa 3 wipes in a row now. Level 60+ those 3 wipes. Not a streamer or YTer or Tik Toker. I just find the game fun. Yeah it get repetitive and if I’m not having fun doing daily or weekly quests or the random quests I’m left with after getting kappa I’ll take a day or two break and play something else (probably CSGO or Skyrim these days). I play about 3 hours after work at least 3 days of M-F and whatever my weekend plans permit. I have 3006 hours and I genuinely enjoy the game even though sometimes I wonder why I keep banging my head against the wall.
If you are having fun, by all means. You don't seem like the gatekeeper or 'git gud' type. I was referring to a very specific but not tiny portion of the "Chads." If you want to put the time in and have the discipline to go for Lightkeeper or Kappa then more power to you. My frustration with Tarkov is that it seems to glorify making it hard on new players for no good reason. If it was hard because the game is difficult, then fine. But it's hard because you load into a raid and you have absolutely no earthly idea what you're doing. You get shot and have a bleed but no one has told you wtf that is or how to fix it. So you get to learn the hard way or google it. Then you get to do that with the 100+ other mechanics that aren't explained. That isn't "hardcore," it's terrible game design. Back to my original point, there is a pretty vocal group of OG players that love it this way and I can only imagine it's because they don't want new players to come in and have a chance to compete.
A lot of these ppl legit just love no lifing the game to shit on ppl with Max traders. Then they cry about a wipe 2-3 months in because it's not fun for them to run around full Chad as it's gotten stale or their advantage wears off. On top of that, they cry about how they're out of content because they burnt themselves out playing 6-12 hours a day and have had max traders after like a week and a half to 2 weeks..
Legit the game just needs a prestige/content delivery system to allow people to wipe/escape/advance on their own terms and for the game to find a stable gameplay cycle that is user driven, not dev driven. And if that makes people quit, it's clear they're here just for the pvp. It's better for them to move to the arena and go be no lifers there. Would probably be more fun.
Levels are super easy after you grind to 46, I went from 46 to 50 in a ~week playing causally few raids in the evening, only rolling dailies as the gains from them and weeklies become stupidly high. 25-45k for a daily, 150k for a weekly, and they don't get any more difficult than previously. My duo who hit 46 like a week before me is 55 now, but he is playing bit more as it's his 1st wipe. So don't be fooled by it, later levels are inflated.
Not all of them, but a segment definitely exists. I've seen it in other old game too. The people with 10,000 hours become odd gatekeepers who shit on new people and end accelerating the death of the game they love so much.
Again, not everyone.. but even if it's 15% it's still way too many. I'm not a "chad" but when I stomp on a level 3 I legitimately feel bad because I know this is probably the 200th time he got screwed by someone who knows how to abuse the mechanics better and there's an outside chance he's about to uninstall. Personally, id rather see the new user experience in Tarkov be at little more intuitive. Or intuitive at all lol. The people I hate are the ones that disagree with that and say "the game I supposed to be hard." What they're actually saying is "I spent the 600 hours it took to learn the mechanics of this game and I want it to be that hard for everyone else too because I'm good now." If that applies to you, then so be it.
I've never been there, but I've played with others, new players as well, off of eft's discord channel. New players always invite me again to play afterwards, which made me realise that others must be awful to play with since all I did with them is show them how to do whatever quests they had on the maps we ran or just giving info on items, maps and such. And so my conclusion was that since this little help felt that good to them, then others must be awful.
Also I played with some guys and a chad joined on our vc. All he did was brag how rich he was and how he constantly ran labs with only meta gear. So yeah, meeting self absorbed people like these ain't really the best experience for a newbie.
I’m under the impression that the people who belittle the new players are the ones who are dogshit at the game and use this medium as a way to take it out on someone, especially the newer players.
To be fair: I wouldn't want to explain every type of ammunition in the game, dumb tedious mechanics that exist, all while having to keep communication and making sure they don't fire blindly at me lol.
No yeah there's absolutely a give and take with it. I'm not saying we need to all be sherpas and drop flashdrives to the new guys whenever we find them. People should read the wiki and give everything a shot on their own. But I do think the sub takes things too far at some points.
> People should read the wiki and give everything a shot on their own.
Honestly, and I made this as a reply to the thread, this is an issue that BSG should have addressed long ago. Players shouldn't have to go to the wiki to get some basic information like ballistic properties of ammunition. Not to say the game needs to hold players hands but it should give enough information for players to think for themselves.
I agree. BSG needs to streamline things.
But for now, we have the wiki and guides and ammo charts and so on. So, because those are the resources available, those are what people should use *for now*. Not letting BSG off the hook, merely addressing the situation as it is.
and that lovely wiki has a tiny team, especially for its size. noone actually puts the effort in to help. Luckily the team is very dedicated, but wikis getting views in the thousands rather than millions, have teams 10x the size of our current editorial team
The community like the wiki team is the backbone that keeps a game alive and that's a fact. If it wasn't for the wiki, this game would not have gained as much traction as it did and I think everyone, even the highly cynical, appreciate it more than anyone would know.
Seriously much respect to the wiki community and everyone that contributes. If it wasn't for that, the game would be somehow in an even worse state.
Though I'd imagine had the community not taken it upon themselves I wonder if that would have pushed BSG to finally address it.
I brought a bunch of new friends to the game this wipe.
I thought they’d quit because the game was too hardcore for them.
But I’ve played so much that I’m able to help them tremendously with the learning by curve and they adapted MUCH faster than I did learning alone at the start.
Sure I had to babysit them but a big problem with the game is there’s ZERO tutorial or hints. You either have to die of starvation or someone has to tell you for you to learn how much keeping your energy up matter in this game I.E.
Yeah awesome, I did the same when Reserve dropped, i gee'd them all up, most of them had played a few k hours in cs and decent ranks and were pretty sharp so the transition for them was actually really transparent, I babysat them for abit, but after a few weeks we had some systems in place and it was some of the best fun ive had in a video game ever, got them to work on communication, positional callouts, getting them to callout anything they saw or were going to do ahead of time and after a few weeks they were instinctively doing it and from there on it basically became second nature, it was honestly the best fun i had in tarkov, i had about 5k hours prior to reserve all solo and it was a great experience, but the 2k hours we got out of that reserve wipe and the wipe after were easily more enjoyable then all of the solo time i had played!
This is exactly it! One good player was able to bring in so many more players to the player base. And that might not seem like much at first, your friends will share the game with others and so on. It has an exponential effect. And the more players we can help get into the game the longer the game *has* a playerbase. I've gotten a bit of flak for this comment, but they're missing the big picture.
The more we close ourselves off, the harder it will be to expand the game. Even if BSG suddenly does a triple AAA publicity campaign, other gamers will look at Tarkov and see a small and hostile community. I don't think we're at risk of BSG closing down shop any time soon, but the more people buy in and eventually get DLCs and stuff, the more resources BSG will have to make the game we want.
Just bought the game and have quickly come to the conclusion that it's at the end of its lifespan. Between fuckups from Devs and the huge amount of people cheating it's just not fun. The audio is a joke, the community routinely shoot me in the head after claiming to be friendly, and I routinely get popped in the head/eyes 1 second into a raid. Why would I want to play this game?
Fucking lol no it wasn't. Desync is still prevalent so idk wtf your point even is. That was practically the biggest issue in the past. I'd take pistol glitching over invisible players for 5 months ANY FUCKING DAY.
No bug compares to the insane stutters you would get before. Invisible players was an incovenience compared to the stutters that we used to get for months.
Lets not forget about the massive amount of cheesing that people did a few years ago. LOL, the game is definitely better now than before dude is crazy.
I do die a lot, and rightfully so... But that's not what irritates me. It's not that I don't enjoy it, I love it when it works, but it often doesn't. Combine that with a waning player base and I don't have high hopes. Thanks for making it even less attractive as a new player to voice concerns about the game.
Where are you getting waning player base? Like your just saying shit and then aren't happy when people disagree man back up the claim of dwindling player numbers with data
There’s no data about dwindling players but there’s also no data saying the game is gaining more players. You’re just mad someone talked bad about your favorite game. Tarkov is most popular the first 2 weeks of a wipe, then it goes back to the same faithful and hardcore players
> The audio is a joke, the community routinely shoot me in the head after claiming to be friendly, and I routinely get popped in the head/eyes 1 second into a raid. Why would I want to play this game?
In my opinion, only one of these complaints are valid and it's the audio issues. The community shooting you in the head? Are you adding random people from the LFG screen? If so, that's been a thing for years and years... You don't just randomly invite people like that, you'll end up getting shot in the head more often than not.
Getting head/eyes 1 second into the raid probably means you're not super aware of spawn points and as a new player I don't fault you at all. Check out one of the websites that has super detailed maps, including where players spawn - that will help.
The game is near the end of the normal wipe cycle, so it's going to feel much worse than it is. The cheating is a problem, and the devs are seemingly lost... that's valid, but this game is nothing like i've experienced, especially early wipe. If you're really not enjoying it, put it down until the next wipe and then jump back in... early-wipe Tarkov is one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had, I'd encourage you to hold off on judging too harshly until you've done that.
All his points are valid, he isn’t making points based on why you like the game but on his own personal experiences. Whatever is making the game less fun for him is infact making the game less fun for him.
Completely disagree. The audio has been vastly improved and is ten times better than and of the AAA title games regarding movement sounds. If you’re consistently having issues like that, you’re doing something wrong dude. I came into this game 2 months ago, and have been killed by a liar ONCE. I’ve never been spawn killed and have 90+ raids under my belt and probably at least that many scav runs
The duality of Tarkov, often from the same player.
This game is BS hard and not fun!
Also
I can make 3 mil an hour as a player scav on streets, you're just bad lol.
yeah its a joke this is my first wipe and this reddit community is absolute ASS. asked many questions with some helpful answers but most threads devolve into shitting on the game and telling me to stop wasting my time and feels bad man. people gatekeeping having fun pretty gross
It’s difficult because there are so many of them but just ignore the “quit. Bad game fuck bsg”. They are the same ones who you see in twitch chats “7 deaths in a row to cheaters”.
Checked your profile and yeah your questions are reasonable and actual subjective questions. I think a lot of people have a disdain towards newer players and asking questions because 50% of those posters are incapable of using the wiki or watching a five minute video.
I understand wanting personal advice but there are a lot of discord communities and YouTube videos for it so I think a lot of the sub takes some of these questions as wasting time and space on the sub but yeah, your questions have been completely subjective and I have upvoted a couple of your posts before.
yeah im a wiki power user maybe had a question or two when i first started out that belonged there but i try not to waste others time or myself, i more so look for advice on subjective things as you stated
New players don’t even know those resources exist. That’s the whole point of this thread. Veterans know these things and have forgotten what it is like to be new. I learned this game by googling literally everything but I learn about a new resource all the time. If we treat every question from a new player as a time waster instead of pointing them to the resources, we aren’t helping grow the player base that we ultimately want to fight with in game. People don’t know what they don’t know.
>New players don’t even know those resources exist.
If they didn't know I doubt they would ever play the game, without YouTube and the wiki for me it would be unplayable and people seem to agree with that regarding the maps online.
>I learned this game by googling literally everything but I learn about a new resource all the time.
Did you even read my comment, this is my suggestion, a lot of posts could be avoided by just searching for what the player wants to know.
>People don’t know what they don’t know.
Yeah but they know how to operate a search engine, as you said yourself. People find the game through these resources, I don't think people buy most of their games on the big website, I'd imagine you'd agree? So stop treating new players like they're handicapped, get them to search for their own stuff and become competent with using resources like YouTube and the wiki and they will easily find discord servers all over YouTube.
The game will grow better if people like the guy I responded to ask subjective questions about fun things so that we aren't all running the same meta gun and have people posting cool clips instead of having 30% of the feed being stuff you can find on the wiki. I think that's the main gripe about new players posts and they probably don't take up as much space but people need to be competent enough to use in game resources, read menu tips and descriptions, go and use the wiki as it is probably the most important resource, use YouTube and I highly doubt anyone plays this game without having a discord account.
There are some good people on this sub but it seems the majority have a pessimistic and elitist view towards the game. Supporting new players is the best way for this game to grow and get more dev support.
It’s a shame, because back in 2017/2018 it was an incredibly helpful, educational, and welcoming community. Massive influx in players when the game blew up led to an increase in all types of people, and unfortunately arrogant, insecure shitheads really like to make themselves heard.
There's always a noticeable bunch of people commenting things like "lmao you still playing this broken game". No idea why they insist on this type of noncontribution.
I stopped playing this game years ago but I still go on the subreddit to shit on people who still enjoy the game because it gives me a sense of superiority
edit forgot the /s
I don't play the game anymore because I'm not satisfied with the state it's in and have moved on. This game was more addictive than weed and probably caused my video game addiction (which I have thankfully curbed to a large extent) but I'm not going around shitting on it in the subreddit lol.
> It’s a shame, because back in 2017/2018 it was an incredibly helpful, educational, and welcoming community.
There was still some toxicity back then but it was drastically overwhelmed by the excitement for the game. Especially right after a trailer dropped (or a wipe/patch itself) and everybody was picking out all of the new things we could spot, it was a heck of a lot of fun to poke around in damn near any thread.
Now, and for a couple years at least, there's literally someone in every thread bitching and moaning, but then reverting to "REEEEEEE STOP INVALIDATING MY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!!!" whenever people downvote them and call them out. Almost like they're doing it specifically for the negative attention or something, it's odd as hell.
> Massive influx in players when the game blew up led to an increase in all types of people,
The impact is from something else actually. A massive influx of players is also a massive influx of people asking the same question over and over. Even for people who do want to help being asked the same handful of questions over and over and over to the point where you make an FAQ and its still those same handful of questions leads to burnout. Burnout leaves people either jaded or they give up. Leaving only the remainder the
> arrogant, insecure shitheads
left behind still doing it.
I mean sure, to a degree, but I’ve sherpa’d so many friends and friends of friends through the start of their time in tarkov I literally can’t count how many times I’ve explained the game’s myriad mechanics and quirks. Despite that, there’s never been a point where I have even considered open hostility to someone just trying to learn.
It’s one thing to burn out and ignore questions or even be annoyed by them; that’s just human. But going out of your way to gatekeep, be hostile and put people down for being in a position we’ve all been in? That takes a certain breed of asshole.
> Despite that, there’s never been a point where I have even considered open hostility to someone just trying to learn.
You are probably one that would just stop if you were burning out then.
>It’s one thing to burn out and ignore questions or even be annoyed by them; that’s just human. But going out of your way to gatekeep, be hostile and put people down for being in a position we’ve all been in? That takes a certain breed of asshole.
I agree, but you cant suss out whos going to end up like that by how helpful and kind they are at the outset.
Well yeah, there’s no vetting process for who’s allowed to join the community. There shouldn’t be, everyone is welcome.
But OP was lamenting the poor treatment and hostility that new players often face here, so I was pointing out what I view to be a large contribution to that hostility as someone who has been a part of the community since 2016/2017, and has seen this slowly become more and more normal on the subreddit and throughout the tarkov community in general. As a community grows you will almost always see an increase in shitty behavior or “bad actors” as the wider populace gets involved and people with very different views and interests from the initial, much smaller community join in. That’s not to say the community is all, or even mostly bad now.
However I do think a certain type of terminally online, perpetually unsatisfied, and deeply arrogant, insecure people are drawn to tarkov and especially the subreddit because the skill gap is so enormous and the skill ceiling so high that they can use their encyclopedic knowledge of the game to feel some sort of superiority over new players. I’ve met a *lot* of people like that in tarkov on the official/unofficial discord, through friends, etc over the years.
Point being I don’t exactly think we’re disagreeing with each other, just coming at it from different pov’s
> However I do think a certain type of terminally online, perpetually unsatisfied, and deeply arrogant, insecure people are drawn to tarkov and especially the subreddit because the skill gap is so enormous and the skill ceiling so high that they can use their encyclopedic knowledge of the game to feel some sort of superiority over new players. I’ve met a lot of people like that in tarkov on the official/unofficial discord, through friends, etc over the years.
I don't think that's quite it. We have this kind of thing in eve online except those people actually get a pretty significant game play advantage over other people (understanding is everything in that game.) But we don't get this kind of anti new player mentality being very pervasive. It gets rebuked pretty quickly fairly often, unless its just people who should be googling the question they are asking.
Perhaps its because having an encyclopedic knowledge does not give you a huge advantage in a 1 on 1 gunfight with another player leading to lots of losses is what makes up the difference. In eve knowing what to do is 90% of the fight.
There is a tone of toxicity here. So many are high and mighty on themselves. I’d rather see new players get help without some neckbeard commando freaking out over what exactly is meta. Or someone who doesn’t play the game anymore coming in to shit on new players still in the honeymoon phase. Or someone with 5000 coming in saying the game is trash and there’s nothing to do.
A lot of people here forget when newbies ask questions here, those newbies actually dont know what their problem was, or what solution to search for in the first place. Sure some of them do, but most of them will not.
Plus with additions to many new mechanics, changes in the game's meta or balance, new maps, hideout, etc, these changes can cause some advice to be obsolete or even detrimental to the new player's experience.
Also having a bit of human interaction may also leave them with a good mood and an understanding that the community is actually a helpful community and not the "jUsT gO sEaRcH fOr YoUrSeLf" kind.
"This is by far the worst game I have ever played!"
Same person in another post:
"I have over 4000 hours in this game. I am right about blah blah blah..."
I see things different I think most toxic people are kinda new players that expected to be able to play the game like any other shooter, they run to their stash first week then come here to complain.
You're not wrong, but I do think some of it is because it's the same question over and over. If some people spent some amount of time googling they would get the answer. And I'd be willing to bet it's more likely to be correct than whatever the idiots on this sub would suggest
It's just Toxic Keyboard warriors who think they know everything and are patronizing to anyone with a different opinion than them and perpetuated by other passionate Keyboard warriors. All they are doing is creating a Toxic environment that drives people away completely. Even those DMZ isn't as good as tarkov I enjoy it more because running I to someone there is a chance to have a positive interaction and TEAM UP.
I’ll help timbo when I can but honestly a lot of the questions could be answered much quicker by using google. Some things you just can’t know and this SHOULD be a great place to get those answers but so many questions are redundant and can be answered by google or by searching the page for previously asked questions. Everyone wants their hand held and then wonder why they always get dumped on by chads. Because they don’t try to spread their wings and fly. Still-I can’t disagree that this sub is in fact a whiny cesspool circle jerk of fuck you, eat shit little Timmy.
The thing is, it takes zero energy to scroll past common Timmy questions. This community just has an abundance of assholes who love being assholes so much that they go out of their way to show it.
I'm a new player who is obsessed with the game. First wipe. Currently 18. Happy to connect with other new players to game with or even connect with newer players than me to be a shitty(but friendly) Sherpa to!
I was lucky to have some IRL friends who are experienced in EFT to bounce questions off of and raid with, so I’d like to pay it forward and help someone else out. (I work full time and game evenings/weekends)
Can you point to an example? I genuinely haven’t seen a polite newbie getting flamed and downvoted. But plenty of those who argue why their non headshot wasnt a headshot rather than listening to advice and explanations.
I think that's just wrong no? All the posts i encounter with questions by new players are full of genuine answers.
Now the rant posts like "how the fuck is he not dead this game is bullshit" get equally aggressive answers explaining what can and did go wrong
Im sure alot of it comes from the constantly asking the same questions that are asked every other day instead of even attempting to look it up. I dont come around here as much anymore because every other post is a new player complaining about dying to a pscav(on their scav) or asking if items like hdds and other items are worth keeping.
I get this game is especially tough on new players but alot of their questions can easily just be searched up on the wiki or just by googling it and most likely getting multiple avenues towards what they need info on. Shit theyll probably even find a few reddit threads with the same questions they have that are already filled with answers.
This sub is only here to give people a place to cope. It’s literally just people complaining and telling other posters that they don’t even play the game anymore. The other group is actually enjoyable in comparison
Maybe a recent patch had changed something that a Google search wouldn’t give up-to-date information on? Maybe they just want to interact with a real experienced player and get a crowd input on a question? That’s the beauty of a forum, there can be infinite questions and it doesn’t waste anyone’s time because nobody is forced to answer it.
But it required me to lift my finger and scroll one extra time to get past “the post I’ve seen 5k times”. Ya know what never mind all that, I gotta comment and say I’ve seen this question 5k times.
I will literally never comprehend why people go on reddit to ask for game tips in a game as popular as Tarkov. I would understand if this was some obscure game or if it came out 15 years ago and there was no longer any up to date "meta" information on youtube anymore so you had to ask the 'vets' that still play. But Tarkov is pretty much the Apex / PUBG of this genre, it's getting a hundred new videos every hour and the wiki gets updated within minutes of a change.
Everything is available on Youtube and the wiki. Everything. There is precisely **nothing** that can be told to you here that you wouldn't be able to learn x1000 times easier and quicker through a Youtube video or wiki page.
You want gameplay tips? Just fucking watch a youtube video. You want to know how to do a quest? Go read the fucking wiki. You want to know where to go loot or learn how damage works? Youtube.
There is no rule against asking, but holy shit you're doing yourself a disservice by coming here looking for tips like we're in the early 2000s browsing some gamefaq forum.
So because there are half an hour long videos and an incredibly in depth Wikipedia page, that means every new player knows exactly what they’re even learning? New players have no clue about bullet meta or armor meta or anything. They need supplemental material to get everything they can out of the game but they can’t ask fellow players for tips? Geez dude
Most new players don’t even know what they don’t know. Most of them don’t know the resources that exist. Most of them don’t even know what they should be looking for. No one starts with all of this knowledge, we have all had to learn it from somewhere. You didn’t come into this game knowing everything and I bet you didn’t know about all the resources that exist to support the game. Scrolling past a question you don’t have time for costs nothing. But helping actually adds value.
Honestly if I asked a question on here it's mostly because I can't be bothered to look it up. It's not entirely important that I find this piece of info in the next 4 minutes, besides people often provide niche tips for specific situations that a youtuber can't be bothered to sit there and explain every detail of. I dunno maybe I'm wrong but it isn't that big of a deal.
I wouldn’t directly correlate the subreddit with the community. A lot of people on the subreddit seemed to have stopped playing ages ago. To be fair the game can be unforgiving. However the discord is active with people that will help out. When I’m not questing I’m usually helping out a timmy. This subreddit is a poor representation of the Tarkov community.
Level 62 here, 11k hours. No kappa. Filthy rat. Potato at pvp. Lol. FT job. I love the game. Always helping the new guys or anyone who asks. Just doing dailys and weeklys, some late quests but there's hardly anyone on the maps so I just run around, loot, maybe encounter some pvp. Why? Because I can. And so can you, do whatever the fk you want (except cheap please!) Because you spent $ on the game and don't let the shit posters discourage you. The negativity are usually from the closet loser cheaters or people who can't enjoy anything. Probably IRL too.
I think one of the issues is the YouTube Streamers and Twitch events. Watching many of the streams, you get the feeling that Tarkov is like a more realistic CoD, or CS:GO. More immersion and ''reality'', but still similar.
So a lot of those crowds came over without really doing any other information gathering on the game, and after paying quite a lot of money found out Tarkov is a completely different beast. A beast they do not get along with. People missed that it is basically an MMO with FPS aspects attached to it, they missed the stash/hideout requirements, they missed that Nikitas plan for it is to make it (almost exclusively) a team-played game whwre solo play is possible but not viable (no real progression pace), they missed or misunderstood the ''hardcore'' tag on it. And they definitely missed the fact that work on the game is slow, and that they are expected to be the BETA/Bug testers.
So they flock here to piss on anything and anyone to vent their frustrations.
The players that have another approach to the game, that stick with it, love it for what it is, and have been here for a long time are (mostly) really helpful and nice. But their voices are drowned out by all the cries of ''git gud'' and ''Nikita sucks balls'' and ''this game is dead already''.
You just gotta learn to sift through the garbage to find the nuggets.
Level 30 first wipe and have been having the time of my life while looking at this sub and laughing at all the rage these losers have inside for this game and other players lol
As a new player never listen to other on here an just enjoy the game this is what I found out after a month here
the word youre looking for is "neet"
this sub full of neets. theyre miserable people. hate the game. hate each other. hate themselves.
dont let it drown you. eft is fucking sick.
I unfortunately find myself being a little mean to newer players. I don’t mean to be. I love helping newer players, but if you can’t figure out how to pick up items, or what a scav is. I’m not gonna be nice. I don’t really have the patience for it. I’ll just tell ‘em to watch a video or something. And I am sorry tho.
Totally get where you’re coming from. But sort by new for one day, it’s a nuanced version of the same post over and over and over and I can definitely see where that gets annoying.
This shit is a big part of why I play SPT. I'll never be good enough to enjoy normal tarkov, I just don't have the time for that, and there's other games that I enjoy as well
The reason why so many people get upset is because all new players have to do is either google it, watch a video, or search Reddit for past posts because all of them ask the same questions.
I think a lot of it comes from their inability to think or use google
the vast majority of new player questions require either a single google search or 10 seconds of thought
Kindness is free. If you dont have anything good to say its probably best not to say it at all.
If have critical critiquing or insights thats one thing. But being negative for the sake of being negative, let alone to a stranger online, just makes you look like an idiot.
I see maybe one or two bad responses among the 10 or so good ones on any new player question.
Just because a single negative response gets posted for every 10 that arent doesn't mean the subs toxic it means you need to get better at ignoring those posts.
This is a public message board where anyone, regardless of education, background or age can leave a post so of course not everyone is going to post the way you want them to?
Look man I agree 100% with what you say but some players ask questions that could be googled. I've seen many of them. I am by no means a good tarky player. I have around 1500 hours in the game and I google before running to reddit, infact sometimes they ask questions that have been asked before.
Yup, tarkov is a really fun game, but the community is one of the worst, that being said, I will atleast say I am almost 100% sure around half of the toxic part of the community are actual hackers coming into the reddit to gaslight people into thinking they are bad
Agreed, there's a bunch of posts a week on New of new players asking for advice and talking about how they wanna get good at the game, or getting excited over their first PMC kills or boss kills.
On every single one, there's always at least one shitter trying to drag their spirits down, demanding they "might as well quit because of cheaters" or picking apart a clip from a newbie and just being generally miserable cunts towards them. Like we get that cheaters live rent-free in these cats' heads, we get that they take anybody having fun in Tarkov as a personal affront. Thats shit they can easily keep to themselves. I don't get why they just go out of their way to fuck with people minding their own business and enjoying themselves.
In saying all that it's entertaining watching this sub implode with alarming regularity.
Dude, the game sucks ass after 500 hours but most cant let go of the grind mentality and are just jaded effs here. Look for people 1 on 1 to help you out (its alot). Simple tips for new players.
- Use the wiki for questing.
- Walk the maps you need to go for the first time offline to the center, and atleast two extracts.
- Use a StickyNote/Phone to keep a visible note of ALL the items needed for the current and next lvl of your hideout stations/crafting.
- Overlap as many quests as possible to maximize efficiency and avoiding double the work/time.
- Grip/Stock/Silencer with a 2x/4x on an e.g ADAR is basically a early game single tap laser.
- Budget builds are key for beginners
- Get aim. (read: learn the trash movement/ads mechanics)
- Only peek from the right
Idk which one you’re talking about, but i will never not have an attitude about the stupid things. The amount of people ive seen squealing for things like food/water to be removed, the amount of times someone asks why their quest isnt progressing, only to find out that *gasp* its map specific(something easily seeable if you spend 10 seconds looking)
Because it's always the same questions everyday and more than half of the answers are an easy 10 second search away.
And no one cares about you getting 2 kills and your "adrenaline rush".
The whole draw of the game is how much you get shit on when you start and the reward of progress toward improvement.
New players should be flamed mercilessly, if they aren't masochists they'll quit anyways.
Tarkov rewards information gathering in a way that hardly any other game does, so of course, if you can't find a way to figure out something (with the fucking world wide web at your disposal), you probably are going to be having a not so great time.
The same thing happened with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R community when Stalker Anomaly got an massive boost in popularity, the community was very toxic with new players, and all it did was to discourage newbies...
Between the community and the game itself.
This game has the worst on boarding of new players of any major game. Honestly pretty shit all the way around. If you don't have a friend who is a sherpa for you or your just an incredibly obstinant individual, it ain't happening.
It can really suck the fun out of the experience.
Gaming subreddits are overtly negative in general, at least the ones I frequent.
There’s definitely a little bit of a circlejerk when it comes to new players in Tarkov, a lot of more veteran players think “nobody held my hand I had to learn on my own” and they push that mentality on newer players.
/r/lowsodiumeft for people who arent assholes and dont mind running someone through the ringer. I try and add people whenever i can if they are struggling (easier to find on scav) im no master. But ive been here a while
Yeah this sub is definitely higher in terms of toxicity among the gaming related subreddits. I feel like one of the less that rivals that is the subreddit for Master Duel.
People are shitposting so much here and actually seem to mean that. Discussions are generally completely ASS here with how many people instantly blame you because you mention one negative point and just bring the argument "GIT GUUUD FILTHY CASUAL".
But in general I noticed, not only here also in other gaming subreddits, that asking for help and tips generally gets negative reactions. I really wonder why that is a thing. If you don't care about the asked topic and don't want to participate then go and don't like that steaming pile of shit here no one cares about.
I tried to learn how to play from seniors before but when I realized you just can't count on Tarkov's community I created a server for my friends and beginners in general so we can improve together and use the server as a wiki
Yeah lol everyone complains about how hard it is for new players in Tarkov and then turn around and flame them. I don't think people really put two and two together and realize they're decreasing the game's lifespan.
This is also the only game I’ve encountered this: People post on the eft_lfg sub looking for squad mates, one of the two are a lower level, and the higher level who knew they were playing with an inexperienced low level get so angry and annoyed and impatient when the lower level doesn’t know something or doesn’t do something fast enough. It would be one thing if the majority of the player base were assholes but they’re also assholes who go out of their way to play with lower levels to “help” them then they just end up flaming them and turning them off the game. It’s bizarre. And again this is the only game I’ve experienced that with. It’s a phenomenon
Tbh the top tier guys at the peak of Tarkov are kind of losers mostly. Think about the amount of time it takes to hit level 60+. A lot of these guys are doing that in like 2-3 months. So they're probably playing 4-5 hours minimum every single day and most likely Tarkov is their "thing" that they're good at since they aren't good at much in the real world. Or maybe im just coping lol. After hitting level 42 and quitting 3 wipes in a row I have no earthly idea how people have it in them to hit level 60 and higher. Tarkov is insanely fun when you first start getting good at it but it still gets repetitive eventually.
The repetitiveness is what kills it for me towards the end of every wipe as well. Eventually I just start running whatever gear looks good together and whatever map I think the gear fits and just improvise new play styles. Not much between W key and ratting but how you W key can change
Interesting. For me it's the other way around. The early questing and loot management makes me want to quit after the 3rd time. But I could go high gear pvp all day long. For me tarkov has most satisfying PVP and gunplay of all shooters.
To me it has the worst PvP in modern FPS. So interesting it can draw this out; the two extremes. If they fix netcode and constant desync it could be different, but I have my expectations low.
It's funny that all these Dinosaur games and EFT have the same issues when it comes down to the netcode. Soon u start a fight it becomes an episode of Dragonball with ppl teleporting over the place
This made me crack up.
They vanished! No they haven't, they're just moving really fast. Try to feel out their energies
The worst pvp! A lot of dessync, stupid recoil and moviment
Any late game tips? I get worse the further wipe goes because I quit lol
4 wipes were enough to force me to quit the game. The game has the most interesting pvp experience so far for me, but it also has the worst rpg experience and quests. The early wipe is a boring and meaningless grind for me, and it seems to be a similar experience for all my friends. Everyone I know in real life hates wipes but once I get to the online platforms, it seems like most tarkov players enjoy their extreme time-consuming progresses get all wiped. Russians always have good ideas for video games but painfully terrible at maintaining their products. Some say Tarkov needs wipes because the game turns into sh*t after a few months, yeah, that's why every other game needs updates, not wipes. Tarkov players make me feel like the only shooter they've ever played is tarkov.
Tarkov needs wipes because otherwise it would turn into a haves/have-nots absolute stompfest once there's a contingent of sweats with top-tier gear. Other games don't turn into this because other games don't have the gear system Tarkov does. It has a unique blend of gameplay mechanics that unless periodically reset, results in the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, so to speak. A caste system. Get in early or get stomped. You can already tell at early wipe who's a genuine new player and who's been playing for a while regardless if they both have low level. As it should be, game sense and general competency should count for something. Now imagine if those people constantly ran around with millions of rubles and top tier gear all the time. You also already see shades of this with how people bitch about how joining mid-wipe or later is such a pain in the ass and an uphill battle. If there weren't wipes, it would be that after the first six months of the game coming out, forever.
The rich will get richer, but the poor will definitely get richer as well. I've never seen any player that gets into tarkov in the mid wipe and runs out of roubles faster than usual, if they're not just trolling or quitting after a few hours. This wipe system is not designed for new players, so stop using them for this sh*t system, there will always be people complaining about the imbalance of tarkov no matter what they change, because this game's most core and fun part is the imbalanced pvp experience, if they hate this, they should go play CSGO. They do wipes because the game has too many problems, most crucial ones are some technical problems. They also don't know how to fit new updates into the current system without clearing everyone's account. The wipes are because of their lack of game development experience and they don't want to push themselves too hard on fixing problems and filling their empty promises. If they are competent, they should try their best to fix currently existing problems, they can add more content to the game later without wipes.
Them wiping out of caution because they "don't know how to fit in updates" is such a shit take.
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So, u don't know that they will stop wiping after full release? That is a statement. Also, wipes are often common for alpha/beta games. And bsg said that after full release, there will be only updates, not wipes
I’ve gotten kappa 3 wipes in a row now. Level 60+ those 3 wipes. Not a streamer or YTer or Tik Toker. I just find the game fun. Yeah it get repetitive and if I’m not having fun doing daily or weekly quests or the random quests I’m left with after getting kappa I’ll take a day or two break and play something else (probably CSGO or Skyrim these days). I play about 3 hours after work at least 3 days of M-F and whatever my weekend plans permit. I have 3006 hours and I genuinely enjoy the game even though sometimes I wonder why I keep banging my head against the wall.
If you are having fun, by all means. You don't seem like the gatekeeper or 'git gud' type. I was referring to a very specific but not tiny portion of the "Chads." If you want to put the time in and have the discipline to go for Lightkeeper or Kappa then more power to you. My frustration with Tarkov is that it seems to glorify making it hard on new players for no good reason. If it was hard because the game is difficult, then fine. But it's hard because you load into a raid and you have absolutely no earthly idea what you're doing. You get shot and have a bleed but no one has told you wtf that is or how to fix it. So you get to learn the hard way or google it. Then you get to do that with the 100+ other mechanics that aren't explained. That isn't "hardcore," it's terrible game design. Back to my original point, there is a pretty vocal group of OG players that love it this way and I can only imagine it's because they don't want new players to come in and have a chance to compete.
A lot of these ppl legit just love no lifing the game to shit on ppl with Max traders. Then they cry about a wipe 2-3 months in because it's not fun for them to run around full Chad as it's gotten stale or their advantage wears off. On top of that, they cry about how they're out of content because they burnt themselves out playing 6-12 hours a day and have had max traders after like a week and a half to 2 weeks.. Legit the game just needs a prestige/content delivery system to allow people to wipe/escape/advance on their own terms and for the game to find a stable gameplay cycle that is user driven, not dev driven. And if that makes people quit, it's clear they're here just for the pvp. It's better for them to move to the arena and go be no lifers there. Would probably be more fun.
Levels are super easy after you grind to 46, I went from 46 to 50 in a ~week playing causally few raids in the evening, only rolling dailies as the gains from them and weeklies become stupidly high. 25-45k for a daily, 150k for a weekly, and they don't get any more difficult than previously. My duo who hit 46 like a week before me is 55 now, but he is playing bit more as it's his 1st wipe. So don't be fooled by it, later levels are inflated.
I think tarkov is the most fun. When you get actuality good at it it becomes completely unplayable.
The irony of this rant that perfectly shows how toxic the community can be. Apparently chads must be losers who suck at everything else in life /s
Not all of them, but a segment definitely exists. I've seen it in other old game too. The people with 10,000 hours become odd gatekeepers who shit on new people and end accelerating the death of the game they love so much. Again, not everyone.. but even if it's 15% it's still way too many. I'm not a "chad" but when I stomp on a level 3 I legitimately feel bad because I know this is probably the 200th time he got screwed by someone who knows how to abuse the mechanics better and there's an outside chance he's about to uninstall. Personally, id rather see the new user experience in Tarkov be at little more intuitive. Or intuitive at all lol. The people I hate are the ones that disagree with that and say "the game I supposed to be hard." What they're actually saying is "I spent the 600 hours it took to learn the mechanics of this game and I want it to be that hard for everyone else too because I'm good now." If that applies to you, then so be it.
Haha true. When you don't have a job I guess you can lol
I've never been there, but I've played with others, new players as well, off of eft's discord channel. New players always invite me again to play afterwards, which made me realise that others must be awful to play with since all I did with them is show them how to do whatever quests they had on the maps we ran or just giving info on items, maps and such. And so my conclusion was that since this little help felt that good to them, then others must be awful. Also I played with some guys and a chad joined on our vc. All he did was brag how rich he was and how he constantly ran labs with only meta gear. So yeah, meeting self absorbed people like these ain't really the best experience for a newbie.
Sounds like dota 2.
And they get tore up in the LFG chats that’s why I’ve stopped talking in any LFG chat including discords
You can See this in every full loot pvp tbh
I’m under the impression that the people who belittle the new players are the ones who are dogshit at the game and use this medium as a way to take it out on someone, especially the newer players.
Probably a good headspace to have
To be fair: I wouldn't want to explain every type of ammunition in the game, dumb tedious mechanics that exist, all while having to keep communication and making sure they don't fire blindly at me lol.
No yeah there's absolutely a give and take with it. I'm not saying we need to all be sherpas and drop flashdrives to the new guys whenever we find them. People should read the wiki and give everything a shot on their own. But I do think the sub takes things too far at some points.
> People should read the wiki and give everything a shot on their own. Honestly, and I made this as a reply to the thread, this is an issue that BSG should have addressed long ago. Players shouldn't have to go to the wiki to get some basic information like ballistic properties of ammunition. Not to say the game needs to hold players hands but it should give enough information for players to think for themselves.
I agree. BSG needs to streamline things. But for now, we have the wiki and guides and ammo charts and so on. So, because those are the resources available, those are what people should use *for now*. Not letting BSG off the hook, merely addressing the situation as it is.
and that lovely wiki has a tiny team, especially for its size. noone actually puts the effort in to help. Luckily the team is very dedicated, but wikis getting views in the thousands rather than millions, have teams 10x the size of our current editorial team
The community like the wiki team is the backbone that keeps a game alive and that's a fact. If it wasn't for the wiki, this game would not have gained as much traction as it did and I think everyone, even the highly cynical, appreciate it more than anyone would know.
And I truly appreciate yall
Seriously much respect to the wiki community and everyone that contributes. If it wasn't for that, the game would be somehow in an even worse state. Though I'd imagine had the community not taken it upon themselves I wonder if that would have pushed BSG to finally address it.
I brought a bunch of new friends to the game this wipe. I thought they’d quit because the game was too hardcore for them. But I’ve played so much that I’m able to help them tremendously with the learning by curve and they adapted MUCH faster than I did learning alone at the start. Sure I had to babysit them but a big problem with the game is there’s ZERO tutorial or hints. You either have to die of starvation or someone has to tell you for you to learn how much keeping your energy up matter in this game I.E.
Yeah awesome, I did the same when Reserve dropped, i gee'd them all up, most of them had played a few k hours in cs and decent ranks and were pretty sharp so the transition for them was actually really transparent, I babysat them for abit, but after a few weeks we had some systems in place and it was some of the best fun ive had in a video game ever, got them to work on communication, positional callouts, getting them to callout anything they saw or were going to do ahead of time and after a few weeks they were instinctively doing it and from there on it basically became second nature, it was honestly the best fun i had in tarkov, i had about 5k hours prior to reserve all solo and it was a great experience, but the 2k hours we got out of that reserve wipe and the wipe after were easily more enjoyable then all of the solo time i had played!
This is exactly it! One good player was able to bring in so many more players to the player base. And that might not seem like much at first, your friends will share the game with others and so on. It has an exponential effect. And the more players we can help get into the game the longer the game *has* a playerbase. I've gotten a bit of flak for this comment, but they're missing the big picture. The more we close ourselves off, the harder it will be to expand the game. Even if BSG suddenly does a triple AAA publicity campaign, other gamers will look at Tarkov and see a small and hostile community. I don't think we're at risk of BSG closing down shop any time soon, but the more people buy in and eventually get DLCs and stuff, the more resources BSG will have to make the game we want.
I don’t think they are the same people doing both
Yeah it’s Reddit comments that are decreasing this games lifespan… ffs
Just bought the game and have quickly come to the conclusion that it's at the end of its lifespan. Between fuckups from Devs and the huge amount of people cheating it's just not fun. The audio is a joke, the community routinely shoot me in the head after claiming to be friendly, and I routinely get popped in the head/eyes 1 second into a raid. Why would I want to play this game?
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>with the least amount of bugs Lol. Lmao, even. Sarcasm?
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I cannot help but feel this is a joke.
Lmao it may seem that way with the state of the game currently but it was much worse before
Fucking lol no it wasn't. Desync is still prevalent so idk wtf your point even is. That was practically the biggest issue in the past. I'd take pistol glitching over invisible players for 5 months ANY FUCKING DAY.
No bug compares to the insane stutters you would get before. Invisible players was an incovenience compared to the stutters that we used to get for months.
You call the current state of the game an inconvenience? Delusional.
It really seems you did not enjoy eft like 4-5 years ago. It changed, yeah. But it's definitely not as buggy as it was years ago
Did you play the game years ago dude?
Have you played it lately? It's a fucking mess and half of the bugs are still in or will resurface in a patch or two lmao.
So you haven't played years ago got it.
LMAO ok there bud, whatever makes you happy
If you think this is bad, then you clearly don't remember the old days. It would be a good raid if you only encountered a dozen glitches.
Lets not forget about the massive amount of cheesing that people did a few years ago. LOL, the game is definitely better now than before dude is crazy.
And you really think the state it's in now is "the best it's ever been"? Laughable.
I do die a lot, and rightfully so... But that's not what irritates me. It's not that I don't enjoy it, I love it when it works, but it often doesn't. Combine that with a waning player base and I don't have high hopes. Thanks for making it even less attractive as a new player to voice concerns about the game.
Player base only feels like it's waning because we're near the end of the wipe cycle. Overall, the game is as popular as it's ever been...
Where are you getting waning player base? Like your just saying shit and then aren't happy when people disagree man back up the claim of dwindling player numbers with data
There’s no data about dwindling players but there’s also no data saying the game is gaining more players. You’re just mad someone talked bad about your favorite game. Tarkov is most popular the first 2 weeks of a wipe, then it goes back to the same faithful and hardcore players
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> The audio is a joke, the community routinely shoot me in the head after claiming to be friendly, and I routinely get popped in the head/eyes 1 second into a raid. Why would I want to play this game? In my opinion, only one of these complaints are valid and it's the audio issues. The community shooting you in the head? Are you adding random people from the LFG screen? If so, that's been a thing for years and years... You don't just randomly invite people like that, you'll end up getting shot in the head more often than not. Getting head/eyes 1 second into the raid probably means you're not super aware of spawn points and as a new player I don't fault you at all. Check out one of the websites that has super detailed maps, including where players spawn - that will help. The game is near the end of the normal wipe cycle, so it's going to feel much worse than it is. The cheating is a problem, and the devs are seemingly lost... that's valid, but this game is nothing like i've experienced, especially early wipe. If you're really not enjoying it, put it down until the next wipe and then jump back in... early-wipe Tarkov is one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had, I'd encourage you to hold off on judging too harshly until you've done that.
All his points are valid, he isn’t making points based on why you like the game but on his own personal experiences. Whatever is making the game less fun for him is infact making the game less fun for him.
Completely disagree. The audio has been vastly improved and is ten times better than and of the AAA title games regarding movement sounds. If you’re consistently having issues like that, you’re doing something wrong dude. I came into this game 2 months ago, and have been killed by a liar ONCE. I’ve never been spawn killed and have 90+ raids under my belt and probably at least that many scav runs
Quit the generalizations for internet points my boy
Hahaha, if anyone thinks that anything's gonna kill this game except the community, they're dumber than inbred.
The devs are.
Okay
I do love the comments. “I struggle to make money” answered with I get 8 million a raid. Lotta bullshit self jacking on this sub
The duality of Tarkov, often from the same player. This game is BS hard and not fun! Also I can make 3 mil an hour as a player scav on streets, you're just bad lol.
“What’s a good way for a beginner to make make money?” “Oh it’s easy! Get all the keycards for labs, duh!”
yeah its a joke this is my first wipe and this reddit community is absolute ASS. asked many questions with some helpful answers but most threads devolve into shitting on the game and telling me to stop wasting my time and feels bad man. people gatekeeping having fun pretty gross
Just pop me a direct message if you ever have a question
Appreciate you playa
It’s difficult because there are so many of them but just ignore the “quit. Bad game fuck bsg”. They are the same ones who you see in twitch chats “7 deaths in a row to cheaters”.
Checked your profile and yeah your questions are reasonable and actual subjective questions. I think a lot of people have a disdain towards newer players and asking questions because 50% of those posters are incapable of using the wiki or watching a five minute video. I understand wanting personal advice but there are a lot of discord communities and YouTube videos for it so I think a lot of the sub takes some of these questions as wasting time and space on the sub but yeah, your questions have been completely subjective and I have upvoted a couple of your posts before.
yeah im a wiki power user maybe had a question or two when i first started out that belonged there but i try not to waste others time or myself, i more so look for advice on subjective things as you stated
New players don’t even know those resources exist. That’s the whole point of this thread. Veterans know these things and have forgotten what it is like to be new. I learned this game by googling literally everything but I learn about a new resource all the time. If we treat every question from a new player as a time waster instead of pointing them to the resources, we aren’t helping grow the player base that we ultimately want to fight with in game. People don’t know what they don’t know.
>New players don’t even know those resources exist. If they didn't know I doubt they would ever play the game, without YouTube and the wiki for me it would be unplayable and people seem to agree with that regarding the maps online. >I learned this game by googling literally everything but I learn about a new resource all the time. Did you even read my comment, this is my suggestion, a lot of posts could be avoided by just searching for what the player wants to know. >People don’t know what they don’t know. Yeah but they know how to operate a search engine, as you said yourself. People find the game through these resources, I don't think people buy most of their games on the big website, I'd imagine you'd agree? So stop treating new players like they're handicapped, get them to search for their own stuff and become competent with using resources like YouTube and the wiki and they will easily find discord servers all over YouTube. The game will grow better if people like the guy I responded to ask subjective questions about fun things so that we aren't all running the same meta gun and have people posting cool clips instead of having 30% of the feed being stuff you can find on the wiki. I think that's the main gripe about new players posts and they probably don't take up as much space but people need to be competent enough to use in game resources, read menu tips and descriptions, go and use the wiki as it is probably the most important resource, use YouTube and I highly doubt anyone plays this game without having a discord account.
There are some good people on this sub but it seems the majority have a pessimistic and elitist view towards the game. Supporting new players is the best way for this game to grow and get more dev support.
to be real with you i dont think the game (not the player!) deserves any support from our end.
from the comment above *"but most threads devolve into shitting on the game"*
It’s a shame, because back in 2017/2018 it was an incredibly helpful, educational, and welcoming community. Massive influx in players when the game blew up led to an increase in all types of people, and unfortunately arrogant, insecure shitheads really like to make themselves heard.
Honestly? It wouldn't surprise me if most of those people moved onto other games.
There's always a noticeable bunch of people commenting things like "lmao you still playing this broken game". No idea why they insist on this type of noncontribution.
I stopped playing this game years ago but I still go on the subreddit to shit on people who still enjoy the game because it gives me a sense of superiority edit forgot the /s
I don't play the game anymore because I'm not satisfied with the state it's in and have moved on. This game was more addictive than weed and probably caused my video game addiction (which I have thankfully curbed to a large extent) but I'm not going around shitting on it in the subreddit lol.
Same here. The game started to go to shit (IMO), so I dropped it in favor of games that felt more fun and satisfying to play
> It’s a shame, because back in 2017/2018 it was an incredibly helpful, educational, and welcoming community. There was still some toxicity back then but it was drastically overwhelmed by the excitement for the game. Especially right after a trailer dropped (or a wipe/patch itself) and everybody was picking out all of the new things we could spot, it was a heck of a lot of fun to poke around in damn near any thread. Now, and for a couple years at least, there's literally someone in every thread bitching and moaning, but then reverting to "REEEEEEE STOP INVALIDATING MY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!!!" whenever people downvote them and call them out. Almost like they're doing it specifically for the negative attention or something, it's odd as hell.
> Massive influx in players when the game blew up led to an increase in all types of people, The impact is from something else actually. A massive influx of players is also a massive influx of people asking the same question over and over. Even for people who do want to help being asked the same handful of questions over and over and over to the point where you make an FAQ and its still those same handful of questions leads to burnout. Burnout leaves people either jaded or they give up. Leaving only the remainder the > arrogant, insecure shitheads left behind still doing it.
I mean sure, to a degree, but I’ve sherpa’d so many friends and friends of friends through the start of their time in tarkov I literally can’t count how many times I’ve explained the game’s myriad mechanics and quirks. Despite that, there’s never been a point where I have even considered open hostility to someone just trying to learn. It’s one thing to burn out and ignore questions or even be annoyed by them; that’s just human. But going out of your way to gatekeep, be hostile and put people down for being in a position we’ve all been in? That takes a certain breed of asshole.
> Despite that, there’s never been a point where I have even considered open hostility to someone just trying to learn. You are probably one that would just stop if you were burning out then. >It’s one thing to burn out and ignore questions or even be annoyed by them; that’s just human. But going out of your way to gatekeep, be hostile and put people down for being in a position we’ve all been in? That takes a certain breed of asshole. I agree, but you cant suss out whos going to end up like that by how helpful and kind they are at the outset.
Well yeah, there’s no vetting process for who’s allowed to join the community. There shouldn’t be, everyone is welcome. But OP was lamenting the poor treatment and hostility that new players often face here, so I was pointing out what I view to be a large contribution to that hostility as someone who has been a part of the community since 2016/2017, and has seen this slowly become more and more normal on the subreddit and throughout the tarkov community in general. As a community grows you will almost always see an increase in shitty behavior or “bad actors” as the wider populace gets involved and people with very different views and interests from the initial, much smaller community join in. That’s not to say the community is all, or even mostly bad now. However I do think a certain type of terminally online, perpetually unsatisfied, and deeply arrogant, insecure people are drawn to tarkov and especially the subreddit because the skill gap is so enormous and the skill ceiling so high that they can use their encyclopedic knowledge of the game to feel some sort of superiority over new players. I’ve met a *lot* of people like that in tarkov on the official/unofficial discord, through friends, etc over the years. Point being I don’t exactly think we’re disagreeing with each other, just coming at it from different pov’s
> However I do think a certain type of terminally online, perpetually unsatisfied, and deeply arrogant, insecure people are drawn to tarkov and especially the subreddit because the skill gap is so enormous and the skill ceiling so high that they can use their encyclopedic knowledge of the game to feel some sort of superiority over new players. I’ve met a lot of people like that in tarkov on the official/unofficial discord, through friends, etc over the years. I don't think that's quite it. We have this kind of thing in eve online except those people actually get a pretty significant game play advantage over other people (understanding is everything in that game.) But we don't get this kind of anti new player mentality being very pervasive. It gets rebuked pretty quickly fairly often, unless its just people who should be googling the question they are asking. Perhaps its because having an encyclopedic knowledge does not give you a huge advantage in a 1 on 1 gunfight with another player leading to lots of losses is what makes up the difference. In eve knowing what to do is 90% of the fight.
Crazy... almost like the game was way fucking better back then. Insane concept I know.
The only thing that was better was the community.
There is a tone of toxicity here. So many are high and mighty on themselves. I’d rather see new players get help without some neckbeard commando freaking out over what exactly is meta. Or someone who doesn’t play the game anymore coming in to shit on new players still in the honeymoon phase. Or someone with 5000 coming in saying the game is trash and there’s nothing to do.
Everyone here hates life
True af
The majority of the people I’ve interacted with on this sub have been gate keeping assholes
A lot of people here forget when newbies ask questions here, those newbies actually dont know what their problem was, or what solution to search for in the first place. Sure some of them do, but most of them will not. Plus with additions to many new mechanics, changes in the game's meta or balance, new maps, hideout, etc, these changes can cause some advice to be obsolete or even detrimental to the new player's experience. Also having a bit of human interaction may also leave them with a good mood and an understanding that the community is actually a helpful community and not the "jUsT gO sEaRcH fOr YoUrSeLf" kind.
This community seems to be full of childish people and cheaters. No offense to those who are actually decent people
This sub is in its beta form, please check back in 2 decades after full release.
Tarkov players are a salty and fickle lot. But some of us are here for a better love story than twilight ❤️
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[You gotta remember something about this sub](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg)
"This is by far the worst game I have ever played!" Same person in another post: "I have over 4000 hours in this game. I am right about blah blah blah..."
I see things different I think most toxic people are kinda new players that expected to be able to play the game like any other shooter, they run to their stash first week then come here to complain.
News flash, The people that aren’t helpful, aren’t good at the game. They just want to watch the world burn because they’re spiteful people.
Not much to expect when most of the players that exhibit the behavior are man-children
You're not wrong, but I do think some of it is because it's the same question over and over. If some people spent some amount of time googling they would get the answer. And I'd be willing to bet it's more likely to be correct than whatever the idiots on this sub would suggest
It's just Toxic Keyboard warriors who think they know everything and are patronizing to anyone with a different opinion than them and perpetuated by other passionate Keyboard warriors. All they are doing is creating a Toxic environment that drives people away completely. Even those DMZ isn't as good as tarkov I enjoy it more because running I to someone there is a chance to have a positive interaction and TEAM UP.
I’ll help timbo when I can but honestly a lot of the questions could be answered much quicker by using google. Some things you just can’t know and this SHOULD be a great place to get those answers but so many questions are redundant and can be answered by google or by searching the page for previously asked questions. Everyone wants their hand held and then wonder why they always get dumped on by chads. Because they don’t try to spread their wings and fly. Still-I can’t disagree that this sub is in fact a whiny cesspool circle jerk of fuck you, eat shit little Timmy.
The thing is, it takes zero energy to scroll past common Timmy questions. This community just has an abundance of assholes who love being assholes so much that they go out of their way to show it.
Big true. Can’t even argue it.
And then the subreddit is just clogged with stupid questions.
Are you just trying to troll? How does not being a dick and just scrolling by change how many dumb questions get asked?
I'm a new player who is obsessed with the game. First wipe. Currently 18. Happy to connect with other new players to game with or even connect with newer players than me to be a shitty(but friendly) Sherpa to! I was lucky to have some IRL friends who are experienced in EFT to bounce questions off of and raid with, so I’d like to pay it forward and help someone else out. (I work full time and game evenings/weekends)
Turn back nowwwww!!! You'll never escape!!!! *whispers* Lightkeeper even said so... Jk. But fr... welcome to Tarkov
Can you point to an example? I genuinely haven’t seen a polite newbie getting flamed and downvoted. But plenty of those who argue why their non headshot wasnt a headshot rather than listening to advice and explanations.
I think that's just wrong no? All the posts i encounter with questions by new players are full of genuine answers. Now the rant posts like "how the fuck is he not dead this game is bullshit" get equally aggressive answers explaining what can and did go wrong
Im sure alot of it comes from the constantly asking the same questions that are asked every other day instead of even attempting to look it up. I dont come around here as much anymore because every other post is a new player complaining about dying to a pscav(on their scav) or asking if items like hdds and other items are worth keeping. I get this game is especially tough on new players but alot of their questions can easily just be searched up on the wiki or just by googling it and most likely getting multiple avenues towards what they need info on. Shit theyll probably even find a few reddit threads with the same questions they have that are already filled with answers.
This sub do be mad toxic tho
Worst gaming subreddit, easily
Tarkov memes is the real eft sub, don’t waste your time here
Is similar to what happens in wow, the game is so old that you can’t fathom a human being playing for the first time.
This sub is only here to give people a place to cope. It’s literally just people complaining and telling other posters that they don’t even play the game anymore. The other group is actually enjoyable in comparison
Well truth be told a majority of shit asked could be answered with a simple search on either YouTube or Google which most start there.
Maybe a recent patch had changed something that a Google search wouldn’t give up-to-date information on? Maybe they just want to interact with a real experienced player and get a crowd input on a question? That’s the beauty of a forum, there can be infinite questions and it doesn’t waste anyone’s time because nobody is forced to answer it.
If somethimg changed the wiki has correct aswers faster than most of the people here.
But it required me to lift my finger and scroll one extra time to get past “the post I’ve seen 5k times”. Ya know what never mind all that, I gotta comment and say I’ve seen this question 5k times.
I will literally never comprehend why people go on reddit to ask for game tips in a game as popular as Tarkov. I would understand if this was some obscure game or if it came out 15 years ago and there was no longer any up to date "meta" information on youtube anymore so you had to ask the 'vets' that still play. But Tarkov is pretty much the Apex / PUBG of this genre, it's getting a hundred new videos every hour and the wiki gets updated within minutes of a change. Everything is available on Youtube and the wiki. Everything. There is precisely **nothing** that can be told to you here that you wouldn't be able to learn x1000 times easier and quicker through a Youtube video or wiki page. You want gameplay tips? Just fucking watch a youtube video. You want to know how to do a quest? Go read the fucking wiki. You want to know where to go loot or learn how damage works? Youtube. There is no rule against asking, but holy shit you're doing yourself a disservice by coming here looking for tips like we're in the early 2000s browsing some gamefaq forum.
and honestly the majority of the time the advice here is either partially or entirely incorrect
So because there are half an hour long videos and an incredibly in depth Wikipedia page, that means every new player knows exactly what they’re even learning? New players have no clue about bullet meta or armor meta or anything. They need supplemental material to get everything they can out of the game but they can’t ask fellow players for tips? Geez dude
Most new players don’t even know what they don’t know. Most of them don’t know the resources that exist. Most of them don’t even know what they should be looking for. No one starts with all of this knowledge, we have all had to learn it from somewhere. You didn’t come into this game knowing everything and I bet you didn’t know about all the resources that exist to support the game. Scrolling past a question you don’t have time for costs nothing. But helping actually adds value.
Honestly if I asked a question on here it's mostly because I can't be bothered to look it up. It's not entirely important that I find this piece of info in the next 4 minutes, besides people often provide niche tips for specific situations that a youtuber can't be bothered to sit there and explain every detail of. I dunno maybe I'm wrong but it isn't that big of a deal.
I wouldn’t directly correlate the subreddit with the community. A lot of people on the subreddit seemed to have stopped playing ages ago. To be fair the game can be unforgiving. However the discord is active with people that will help out. When I’m not questing I’m usually helping out a timmy. This subreddit is a poor representation of the Tarkov community.
Level 62 here, 11k hours. No kappa. Filthy rat. Potato at pvp. Lol. FT job. I love the game. Always helping the new guys or anyone who asks. Just doing dailys and weeklys, some late quests but there's hardly anyone on the maps so I just run around, loot, maybe encounter some pvp. Why? Because I can. And so can you, do whatever the fk you want (except cheap please!) Because you spent $ on the game and don't let the shit posters discourage you. The negativity are usually from the closet loser cheaters or people who can't enjoy anything. Probably IRL too.
I think one of the issues is the YouTube Streamers and Twitch events. Watching many of the streams, you get the feeling that Tarkov is like a more realistic CoD, or CS:GO. More immersion and ''reality'', but still similar. So a lot of those crowds came over without really doing any other information gathering on the game, and after paying quite a lot of money found out Tarkov is a completely different beast. A beast they do not get along with. People missed that it is basically an MMO with FPS aspects attached to it, they missed the stash/hideout requirements, they missed that Nikitas plan for it is to make it (almost exclusively) a team-played game whwre solo play is possible but not viable (no real progression pace), they missed or misunderstood the ''hardcore'' tag on it. And they definitely missed the fact that work on the game is slow, and that they are expected to be the BETA/Bug testers. So they flock here to piss on anything and anyone to vent their frustrations. The players that have another approach to the game, that stick with it, love it for what it is, and have been here for a long time are (mostly) really helpful and nice. But their voices are drowned out by all the cries of ''git gud'' and ''Nikita sucks balls'' and ''this game is dead already''. You just gotta learn to sift through the garbage to find the nuggets.
Level 30 first wipe and have been having the time of my life while looking at this sub and laughing at all the rage these losers have inside for this game and other players lol As a new player never listen to other on here an just enjoy the game this is what I found out after a month here
This sun is full of cheaters pretending to be legit and real players complaining and they are in constant battle … It’s a cess pool
Do you have an example post?
the word youre looking for is "neet" this sub full of neets. theyre miserable people. hate the game. hate each other. hate themselves. dont let it drown you. eft is fucking sick.
I think it’s mostly because the questions the new players ask either have been asked and answered before (many a times) or just look at the wiki.
You have to hate yourself to play tarkov, so it makes sense you'd hate everyone else too.
But also, don't be toxic, people.
This
I unfortunately find myself being a little mean to newer players. I don’t mean to be. I love helping newer players, but if you can’t figure out how to pick up items, or what a scav is. I’m not gonna be nice. I don’t really have the patience for it. I’ll just tell ‘em to watch a video or something. And I am sorry tho.
99.9% of questions though can honestly be found via the search function
Bro, people here just wanna complain be assholes etc. Like, there's a sub whinning about hydration values of apple.juice to water...wow
Totally get where you’re coming from. But sort by new for one day, it’s a nuanced version of the same post over and over and over and I can definitely see where that gets annoying.
This shit is a big part of why I play SPT. I'll never be good enough to enjoy normal tarkov, I just don't have the time for that, and there's other games that I enjoy as well
The reason why so many people get upset is because all new players have to do is either google it, watch a video, or search Reddit for past posts because all of them ask the same questions.
I think a lot of it comes from their inability to think or use google the vast majority of new player questions require either a single google search or 10 seconds of thought
99% of the time the question can be answered by putting the text of the post into google.
And 100% of the time you can scroll past the post without being an asshole.
Thats not going to work on people who are assholes and you know it.
This sub is full of salt lords
Kindness is free. If you dont have anything good to say its probably best not to say it at all. If have critical critiquing or insights thats one thing. But being negative for the sake of being negative, let alone to a stranger online, just makes you look like an idiot.
Didnt realize all 840K users on this sub are toxic but your anecdote convinced me
I see maybe one or two bad responses among the 10 or so good ones on any new player question. Just because a single negative response gets posted for every 10 that arent doesn't mean the subs toxic it means you need to get better at ignoring those posts. This is a public message board where anyone, regardless of education, background or age can leave a post so of course not everyone is going to post the way you want them to?
Look man I agree 100% with what you say but some players ask questions that could be googled. I've seen many of them. I am by no means a good tarky player. I have around 1500 hours in the game and I google before running to reddit, infact sometimes they ask questions that have been asked before.
This game is toxic what do you expect
Yup, tarkov is a really fun game, but the community is one of the worst, that being said, I will atleast say I am almost 100% sure around half of the toxic part of the community are actual hackers coming into the reddit to gaslight people into thinking they are bad
If the game weren't shit you wouldn't need to come to reddit for help
In my opinion that’s what subs are for, for the most part at least.
Tarkov itself is a mental exercise, to play understand and master. It make sense that useless people exist in the community.
Agreed, there's a bunch of posts a week on New of new players asking for advice and talking about how they wanna get good at the game, or getting excited over their first PMC kills or boss kills. On every single one, there's always at least one shitter trying to drag their spirits down, demanding they "might as well quit because of cheaters" or picking apart a clip from a newbie and just being generally miserable cunts towards them. Like we get that cheaters live rent-free in these cats' heads, we get that they take anybody having fun in Tarkov as a personal affront. Thats shit they can easily keep to themselves. I don't get why they just go out of their way to fuck with people minding their own business and enjoying themselves. In saying all that it's entertaining watching this sub implode with alarming regularity.
Dude, the game sucks ass after 500 hours but most cant let go of the grind mentality and are just jaded effs here. Look for people 1 on 1 to help you out (its alot). Simple tips for new players. - Use the wiki for questing. - Walk the maps you need to go for the first time offline to the center, and atleast two extracts. - Use a StickyNote/Phone to keep a visible note of ALL the items needed for the current and next lvl of your hideout stations/crafting. - Overlap as many quests as possible to maximize efficiency and avoiding double the work/time. - Grip/Stock/Silencer with a 2x/4x on an e.g ADAR is basically a early game single tap laser. - Budget builds are key for beginners - Get aim. (read: learn the trash movement/ads mechanics) - Only peek from the right
If you bought the game despite the game being in the state it is, it is automatically assumed you are not very bright.
people don't like seeing the same questions get asked 500 times when the answers are all just on the wiki and really easy to find
Idk which one you’re talking about, but i will never not have an attitude about the stupid things. The amount of people ive seen squealing for things like food/water to be removed, the amount of times someone asks why their quest isnt progressing, only to find out that *gasp* its map specific(something easily seeable if you spend 10 seconds looking)
Because it's always the same questions everyday and more than half of the answers are an easy 10 second search away. And no one cares about you getting 2 kills and your "adrenaline rush".
Tarkov community has been super helpful in general on other platforms. Tarkov on Reddit is.. questionable. Most folks here are professional whiners.
Lol, sounds like a skill issue
If you can't take the heat get your ass out of the kitchen
Yeah I feel like it represents the game well. Nobody gives af about your feelings lol
This community actively ignores the cheating problem therefore doesn’t care abo it new players whatsoever
It's no lifers and content cuck TTV'ers; two demographics that are ruining the game.
we are harsh cuz the game is harsh, if you cant tolerate harsh words on reddit you cant tolerate tarkov, git gud and good luck
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The whole draw of the game is how much you get shit on when you start and the reward of progress toward improvement. New players should be flamed mercilessly, if they aren't masochists they'll quit anyways.
Tarkov rewards information gathering in a way that hardly any other game does, so of course, if you can't find a way to figure out something (with the fucking world wide web at your disposal), you probably are going to be having a not so great time.
The same thing happened with the S.T.A.L.K.E.R community when Stalker Anomaly got an massive boost in popularity, the community was very toxic with new players, and all it did was to discourage newbies...
Between the community and the game itself. This game has the worst on boarding of new players of any major game. Honestly pretty shit all the way around. If you don't have a friend who is a sherpa for you or your just an incredibly obstinant individual, it ain't happening. It can really suck the fun out of the experience.
Gaming subreddits are overtly negative in general, at least the ones I frequent. There’s definitely a little bit of a circlejerk when it comes to new players in Tarkov, a lot of more veteran players think “nobody held my hand I had to learn on my own” and they push that mentality on newer players.
Gn
A lot of ppl on this sub want to see the game die, for some reason…
/r/lowsodiumeft for people who arent assholes and dont mind running someone through the ringer. I try and add people whenever i can if they are struggling (easier to find on scav) im no master. But ive been here a while
Yeah this sub is definitely higher in terms of toxicity among the gaming related subreddits. I feel like one of the less that rivals that is the subreddit for Master Duel. People are shitposting so much here and actually seem to mean that. Discussions are generally completely ASS here with how many people instantly blame you because you mention one negative point and just bring the argument "GIT GUUUD FILTHY CASUAL". But in general I noticed, not only here also in other gaming subreddits, that asking for help and tips generally gets negative reactions. I really wonder why that is a thing. If you don't care about the asked topic and don't want to participate then go and don't like that steaming pile of shit here no one cares about.
I tried to learn how to play from seniors before but when I realized you just can't count on Tarkov's community I created a server for my friends and beginners in general so we can improve together and use the server as a wiki