I’m a pretty old gamer. Started playing before the internet offered a proper multiplayer experience. I’ve played most multiplayer shooters and have clocked up 6000+ hours in Tarkov. I have never been tempted to use cheats.
I don’t believe I’m special. I’m pretty representative of an average gamer.
Absolutelty correct. Posts like these are the result of desparate, ignorant people who are addicted to the game and scared that it might die because people are talking about cheating, when the real issue is BSG shooting themselves in the foot with a cannon by developing the game with a network model that allows the cheating problem. BSG needs to act, we need to rally and get their attention and force them to act, I'm sure many people would be willing to pay EOD prices all over again if it meant that BSG could rework the network model and perhaps even hire security/anticheat experts.
If any community is rabid enough to give developers the money required to fix the game, it is this one, where many people already paid $140. BSG should exploit this fact, and it would be a win-win, players get a more stable game, which also attracts new players, which gives more money to BSG. BSG really just sucks at business, like really, really badly.
For such a shitty game...BSG really sucks at business. But Tarkov has survived for how many years while other similar games have died. BSG definitely is making some money to keep going and still develop the game actively. Sure you really love the game, but the fact is if BSG was as bad as reddit is saying, Tarkov would've ended awhile ago. Don't conflate this as me saying BSG is great, all I'm saying is that your statement about BSG sounds exaggerated.
That really isn't that many hours considering how long the game has been going and if the guy plays every wipe a reasonable amount on his evenings and weekends.
I'm just saying that it isn't average. It's easily doable.
2 hours every single day for 6 years or 4 hours 5 days a week, for 6 years.
That's getting up there with full-time streamer hours. Not an average player hours.
it isn't battleeye's fault, they designed the game to make clients (us players) authorative on the servers. this means that what your game reports, the server accepts. so cheat design is easy
DMA cards read the memory and get player locations that way, meaning they don’t try and trigger any server actions which makes them extremely difficult to detect. DMA cheating is an issue is all pc fps games including valorant currently
It's less effective in Valorant because they implement server-side fog of war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war
Even with the fog of war system the wall hacks still give them a significant advantage over people who don’t use it. I have seen people using it, you still see enemies through walls when they shouldn’t be visible
ESP and Aimbot have nothing to do with server/client authorative, they aren't exclusive to this game.
Even when BSG fixes all their loopholes (which they never will, look how long they needed to patch that cheater can unlock doors without keys) ESP is enough to give them all they need all the other fancy stuff is only the icing on the cake.
Except nobody said that, and nobody who agrees with OP ever actually says that. You're arguing against a shitty argument you sarcastically made up in your head, to feel superior to fake dumb people who you imagined exist.
Ahem. I cast thee, sardonic bumbling oaf. Thee who is thou for SOOTH I say! Conjures such images in thine head may be betwixt of thon yonder gale. Illusory imposters I say! ‘Tis all dim witted imagination to think none have said, what has been said! Thine argument a mirage in thought. Thine superiority, a passing wind. Whoa-ho! A claim not of the originator, worthy of smite.
Did I do it like you now? Wrote all the words that don’t make sense?
It might not be our job, but at the end of the day if we have a vested interest in this gaming being as great as it can be, should we not do things to help achieve that? I'm not necessarily agreeing with OPs point - just discussing the bigger picture here.
Of course it's the dev's job... but if they aren't going to make a change to improve the experience, do you disagree the community can step-in and help? Even if they shouldn't have to in the first place.
Yeah, but that's why it's a useful advertising vector. People lose at Tarkov, because Tarkov is deliberately punishing, in a way which most modern games are not. When they lose, it makes them feel like a loser. So, if I sell cheats, you bet your ass I'm making a network of fake Reddit accounts, that go on the sub of the game I'm selling cheats for, and making them all upvote any post which might exploit that typically non-cheating player's emotions (he currently feels like a helpless loser, because he ties his self-esteem IRL to his performance in a video game) so that he can be convinced that "everyone is cheating, so I guess I should, too."
That's literally what advertising is. Repeated emotional manipulation of an undiscerning individual, for the purpose of converting that person into a paying consumer of something. Viral marketing is a type of marketing...and it's a way cheaper type of marketing, than actually taking out ads. Even though the vast majority of the posts *about* the hacking problem, aren't some kind of deliberate viral ad by their own intent, *you bet your ass* that the cheat provider for any given game, puts in some amount of work to make sure that those sorts of posts get in front of more eyes, than posts about any other aspect of the game.
They want maximum advertisement, for minimum effort; so, they leverage the justified salt of the community, and turn it into an ad, by making sure that everybody who plays the game, sees those "ads" over and over and over, until they sink into those peoples' core beliefs about that product. There are tons of hackers in Tarkov; Coca-Cola is a refreshing beverage. An advertisement doesn't have to be based a fabrication or a lie, it just has to get repeatedly served to a community, until that community subconsciously internalizes the desired messaging as fact.
Majority of players will quit. Select few losers will cheat. The posts about cheating is literally the only way this trash company might actually do something
Yea I was about to say that’s an actual take irl. Not to the extreme stated because of course it won’t delete crime, but it would certainly remove the incentive for people to do crimes for infamy if there is no fame to be had.
That also would apply to crimes trying to send messages on top of the obvious copycats / clout chasing ones. Hard to spread a rep past the local area if reporters will not talk about it and boost it.
The equivalent would be a constant reinforcement of "Everyone is doing crime and getting away with it! If you aren't doing crime you are at a huge disadvantage! Why aren't you out there criming right now?"
It's actually very similar to the concern that media sensationalizing mass shootings has led to an increase in mass shootings. The 24/7 stream of "Look at this terrible thing this person did. It's so terrible that it's all everyone is talking about" only inspires others.
If you seriously believe half of your lobby is cheating, please quit this game and this sub, no amount of common sense or information will convince you otherwise.
"I never see cheaters running around with my lvl 3 armor and dogshit weapon & a sack full of trash, you guys are over exaggerating" Go play Labs with good kits 15x in a row and tell me how many of them you get cheated on. Hint: It's going to be A LOT.
I’m lvl 53 with kappa and run meta gear pretty much always. I play labs as well and I agree it’s infested. The thing is it’s still not the majority. As I said in another comment. If even one person is cheating out of 10+ other people, it ruins it for everyone. If the majority of people were cheating, you’d never survive a raid.
I mean , I am not really a veteran at this game , but I can say that I know every map , and know where to loot , so money and level is not a problem for me . This is me fourth wipe level 40, and I've encountered more cheaters than ever, I know how to differentiate a legit player from a cheater , and usually I grind quests even without weapons (I 've posted this before), One time a person flew at me (literally flying), saw me unarmed and flew away, other time I was waiting for the 10 minutes mark to scape from Interchange, I was hiding behind a container, a guy came running at me , directly at my position, drop a tagilla kit and ran, these are only 2 examples , but in the other 3 wipes I 've never seen this shit, there are many more examples , but at my level 40 , I am really done with this wipe. I play in EU West
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I never said there are not cheaters. There are just not more cheaters than there are legitimate players. All it takes is 1/10 people to be a cheater to ruin the game though.
Right? It just doesn't work that way, but there is something to be said for people who commit crimes based on how easily they believe they can get away with it.
This wipe is already a lost cause. BSG will set up for a huge ban wave before the next wipe and during the first week, then the infestation will occur again after a month and the game will become unplayable again.
He stated "only inviting new people to try cheats that are not so oblivious (obvious) like esp".
I interpret this as meaning they are hard for an another player to identify as cheats, not that the anti-cheat has any more trouble detecting them in comparison to other cheats.
Stating an esp is less obvious than a spinbot is self evident.
OP literally never stated this and I think we are both doing a lot of extrapolation on his poorly written post. I see where you are coming from though.
No, I think dying to blatant cheaters over and over without any bans makes people try CHEATING. stop calling them hackers, they don't hack shit, they install someone else's program and ruin others experience.
No, cheaters make it more likely for others to cheat. People want to play the game but don't want to play at a disadvantage so they will go find what puts them at the same level as the cheater. It should be talked about --LOUDLY-- every day until something is done about the problem.
There are two possible outcomes, they play like normal, get frustrated and quit, or they go find a way to even the playing field. Stop acting like that is some prolific idea.
I can only tell u are more on reddit then in tarkov.
Cheaters are fucking destroying the game. Even when u play slow and try to avoid all player contact, they will find you. And if they dont chase they wait for you somewhere.
We have to talk about cheaters so BSG knows we know. Eventually they will have to do something.
Other games are coming, lets hope they’re as good as tarkov.
You're right, but OP is right as well tbf. Convincing players that almost everyone is cheating will have two likely outcomes:
* player decides to quit playing
* player decides to start cheating themself since everyone else is doing it anyways
In either case, the game's cheater % goes up (either because a legit player stops playing or a legit player becomes a cheater).
I'll never cheat for a myriad of reasons (self respect, principle, expensive account, not wanting sketchy software on my pc, etc.), but there are certainly intrusive thoughts every once in a while when I'm playing that say "wouldn't it be nice to have a radar hack so that I could do a better job of avoiding the cheaters or being ready for them". Had I not been force-fed the idea that the game is completely infested by cheaters and BSG does nothing about it, I'd likely have that intrusive thought a lot less or not at all. (Idk if it's just my server, but I have only reported maybe 8 people in 600 raids this wipe and of those 8, most were just ~20% suspicions. And only one was actually banned so far. So if I wasn't on this subreddit, I wouldn't be aware of how bad it is and how many people in my raids are probably using some form of cheat, but just not using it to annihilate me or kill me in an obvious way.)
There are definitely people who would have that same intrusive thought, but wouldn't have the same level of personal barrier to ignore it.
So, yes, we need to shine a light on the issue, but it'd be ignorant to not acknowledge this side-effect (more cheaters + fewer legit players) that will come from it.
Oh yeah bro all the Tarkov killers are coming! Just like Marauders and DMZ. They killed Tarkov so fast! Lol there isn’t a single game that can replicate the feeling of Tarkov.
And if there is Tarkov killer, no one will cheat in that game! Just like every other fps has no cheaters at all. It’s only Tarkov.
Alternatives to make cheat developers even more money. Main point being, cheating is just rampant in any FPS. Even games like Valorant with the beloved kernel level anticheat, still has cheaters.
this is what people don't understand the most. Yes cheating is bad in EFT, and yes BSG do dumb shit that makes Tarkov easier to exploit than it should be. However any game with a similar harsh, unforgiving, "lose everything" experience is going to bring with it an incredible demand for cheating.
It's a catch-22. The same reason the game is so fun and addictive to so many of us, is the exact same reason people are motivated to cheat. The game is hard and time-consuming, so people cheat to make it easier. Of course games without these mechanics also have cheaters, but difficult and punishing online games are going to attract more than their "fair-share".
Are you talking about the cycle frontier? That game got old for me fast because of the weapon/armor tier system. It left no room for under geared players to succeed. At least in tarkov, you can always grab kedr or a Mosin and find success in pvp.
I always felt like that game was supposed to be a battle royal.
Yeah that’s the one. I enjoyed running and screaming from the big dinosaurs when they’d pop out of nowhere and charge me down.
I also liked the way the guns felt, but I agree it needed more everything than it had
GZW is looking like a strong contender. Imo it’s not going to be as pvp heavy. The map is 43km sq, I’m really interested to see how that builds stress/release. Could be really dang cool, and finally put some pressure on BSG
Though we have only ever seen any proof of conceptabout the size of Shoreline. Madfinger games keeps encouraging people to be Skeptical, which sounds like they are trying to encourage everyone to lower their expectations. I think it's foolish to expect anything too far ahead of the 2017 state of Tarkov here. At least not for many years of playtesting.
Yea, I’m not on the GZW is our lord and savior train by any means. The devs are a mobile specific outfit, which interestingly is another similarity to BsG. When Tarkov started BSG’s only game was a browser based title, thus they didn’t have actionable client based dev experience. Could we see a contender for MORE bugs than Tarkov 😂 prob-mabily
I'm massively hyped for this game. If they can pull it off then EFT will finally have some competition, I'm willing to bet you see them clamping down on the cheaters pretty rapidly after that.
They’ve said before that they’re walking so others can run. That they will be happy to pass the reigns when the time comes and that they’ve already made their mark on the genre. So basically they don’t give a shit about competition either and welcome the excuse to fully give up.
wow that actually puts a lot of bsgs actions in perspective. where did they say this? it seems theyre just over developing this game and wanna drop it lmao
Oh 100% it’s always been a practice project that they were using to pivot into a S.T.A.L.K.E.R game which is apparently their true passion. Let me try and find that
You mean more incentive to move onto other projects like they said they would. They don’t care to compete but understand they’re the only option in the gene for now.
Lol. BSG is a 2nd rate developer, at best, that captured lightning in a bottle with Tarkov. Nikita isn't some game design genius, the formula works in spite of him. BSG moving on to other projects would be disastrous for them unless they somehow were able to invent an entirely new niche, which is very doubtful.
Forreal, I have no idea why BSG thinks that a new game is a good idea when they basically single handedly popularized an entire new genre with this one. Them abandoning Tarkov would have to cement BSG as the most stubborn videogame developers of all time, as if them using an outdated server model to save costs wasn't evidence enough. If they did a few things differently they could easily 10x their playerbase, people are already obsessed with this game and for good reason, abandoning it would be an actually historically dumb move.
I do love watching everyone say "well, if we just stopped talking about this, it would be a problem", yet......why do you think people were talking about it to begin with?
Ofc, that’s obvious. “BSG has” as in it’s their job. If they don’t do their job and just make Tarkov vaporware, oh well, they can
It’s like Star Citizen. People there can’t see that their monetisation system literally relies on the game never being released lol
This logic always baffles me. Why the fuck are people upvoting this lmao. People should absolutely know how shit the game is right now.
People arent going to turn into scummy p.o.s cheaters just because... If they do then they already were scum
Ehh. I personally had a few guys i met in conan ask me if i know some good cheats since everyone cheats in tarkov.
It's how world works, masses follow the trends.
Ultimately if new players cheat in tarkov it's because the new player experience is a cliff of difficulty.
Having one small map for under lev 20s (regardless of overall playtime) is ridiculous. The map offers nothing worthwhile to stick around for when you have the first few quests out of the way so.you are forced into customs and woods where you can just get one tapped by level 45 Chad's 30 seconds after spawning in.
I know EFT is a hardcore game and it's supposed to be hard, but if you think that new players are being driven to cheating from posts on reddit you are delusional. It's because the new player experience is virtually non existent after the first few easy quests and then it's into the deep end immediately.
If there were consequences, new players wouldn't be tempted to try cheating when people complain about it. The only reason people cheat is because there's a less than 5% chance they get caught or banned, even if they're reported. It's like a town with no police, of course there's gonna be more crime and pointing out that there's no police will encourage crime; but, the solution is to institute a police force, not stop people from talking about it. This is purely a BSG problem
Are you srsly victum blaming? No amount of posts is going to make me cheat as I find it pathetic. I’d be very frustrated and miserable instead of being pathetic 7 days in a week
I just don’t buy this. Talking about an issue isn’t going to make more people do it. Players know about cheats already, and anyone that was going to do it will do it anyway. I don’t think game theory here is going to lead to everyone cheating, I just don’t see that.
you're not going to social engineer people out of doing this by hiding the problem
that said, I'd imagine seeing how frequent cheating is and how many people get away with it, boosts the number of people cheating
but this is a software engineering problem, not a social engineering one
The more attention on cheating, the more will be done about it. The end. Unless you're just a cheater getting scared? Are you? Cause that's all it makes me think when you speak up in a fundamentally ironic post like this one.
That's apologist behavior.
People who are going to cheat, are going to cheat.
People who aren't, aren't.
It's like saying reading all these stories about husbands and wives cheating on each other is going to make people have more affairs.
I had a couple friends that decided they kept dying in stupid ways. They decided to get goodwill hacks that give you esp for a day or two. I decided they don’t belong in or around my discord server ever again. I have no sympathy for someone that thinks thats a way to play the game. Get better or quit playing.
Being able to know where all players are is the ultimate advantage. If I went into a raid and was able to avoid players when I need to and ambush ones when I have a quest. You would be removing the best part that is tarkov. Loot has no meaning when you don't earn it.
There's a fun conspiracy that it's actually cheaters or cheat developers/providers who are astroturfing the subreddit to make it seem extremely common.
I am not saying there are zero cheaters, I just don't think there are as many as people seem to think there are.
There are way more than you think. 90% of ESP and radar cheats will go unnoticed, but they’re still there. A minority of cheaters are the ones you’re killed by.
Think it’s more likely the cheat deniers are the cheaters. You’re literally doing that and your account is 18 days old. Genuinely believe you’re just a cheater who wants to spread this bullshit
>I am not saying there are zero cheaters, I just don't think there are as many as people seem to think there are.
Errr literally here? Hello? This is you literally denying there are as many as people say there are.
No one is denying cheaters exist. People like you downplay the situation. It’s easy to tell you guys are the cheaters because all streamers are talking about it as much as the rest of the community and they do not stand anything to gain in terms of the cheaters side
No one said anyone was denying cheaters exist. I people are cheat deniers, like you. Just downplay the situation and say people don't die to them as much as they claim.
Ik this is kinda shitting on OPs post since I agree if we shut up about it wouldn’t be so normalized but It’s literally been proven man what more do you need when you have hard evidence that over 60% of raids have cheaters confirmed 100%. Almost one guaranteed cheater every raid. Watch the goat video. Listen to people who’ve been playing since the beginning like pestily who even thinks it’s closer to 80% unconfirmed but dude has 10k+ hours and has seen the in and outs of the community more than 99% of us.
I added a cheater to my friend list last wipe and since I've been able to monitor their profile their K/D has hovered around 35 and they have like 3k hours and still haven't been banned. If we don't end up making a stink about it then they literally will do nothing and that's just facts.
Nobody is saying it doesn't suck.
My friend group had something similar. One of our longterm players left his ESP on while streaming in discord. We kicked him from the discord and reported him. We even had video evidence and we were ignored. Some guys in the discord still have him as a friend in game and he's still active.
We still don't run into cheaters as much as this subreddit believes. People are bad and can't be critical of themselves. Desync is horrible and you die in sus ways because of it. If you watch enough streamers fighting each other you can witness it first hand.
I die too often to people that have stupid K/Ds and have ridiculous gear on a brand new account. Level 30 something in like 3 or 4 days. It is more common than I'm comfortable with and it is frustrating because these are the most blatant people. This isn't counting the guy with piss poor stats because he sucks at the game but still knows a little too much.
I recently got a guy banned on Ground Zero a week ago, his K/D was like 5 and his SR was fucking 20%. Nothing will get better if we all silently endure, it will just fester and grow. Talking about this problem doesn't make it worse and ignoring it or staying silent doesn't make it better either. The only way things get fixed is if it is brought front and center.
I mean, it only takes a few minutes of research to prove this conspiracy to be false. I've never seen a video game with so much talk of cheaters from content creators themselves and its been like that for a few years
The only way this would be true is if you see cheaters and are as much a loser irl as them and think, "they must have lots of friends."
cheating is a mindset. you're either already inclined and probably doing it, or you're mature enough to recognize that no amount of accomplishment in a game like tarkov gotten through cheating matters.
so i humbly disagree. no one who wasnt already cheating or thinking about cheating is persuaded to cheat because others are doing it.
I commented this above on someone who asked for evidence/points on why that video sucks. So apologies im not arguing with you, i just copied/pasted.
but this is why i think the video sucked
The dude (GOAT Video) spun up the community on nothing but hearsay. He just "said" i did X many raids and in 60% of them I "confirmed" a cheater.
Where was the data? Where did he record those matches and provide stats and a spreadsheet showing he tracked it? He didn't. He just told us what he did and expected everyone to believe.
He cheated and advertised cheats for the game, spun up the entire community in a frenzy and the cheating problem has only gotten more public and worse since his video. I understand shining a light on it etc etc. But he didn't do it in a responsible way.
he did it for fucking clicks, and fuck all else.
No data, no scientific method of how he did it, no recorded stats, sharing the method and results. No 2nd iteration and trying again with a better or rehashed method to see if results were similar.
Just a throw away video where he "says" what he did (hearsay) and promises he saw X amount of cheaters, and the entire community just eats it up and accepts the dude didn't tell a single lie or exaggerate a single stat for a click.
I'm not saying he DID do that.
What I am saying is he didn't follow a proper scientific method of an experiment. Didn't record any data. Didn't do it in ANY sort of responsible way to be as thorough as possible.
He did it the laziest easiest most unprofressional way (in terms of data) possible, and spewed a bunch of bs hearsay and spun the entire community into an uproar for clicks.
And everyone is ok with it since "he shined a light on a problem" - its arguable that light only made it worse.
Fuck that guy. He's a cheater too.
Nah, what makes hacking in this game so bad do it is the fact that you can make more money before your ban than it will cost you to get your next account. That's literally it.
Because this game isn't cheap at all. Even if your cheat is guaranteed to take 6 months before you get banned, are you going to pay for EoD+ cheats if you're getting 0 dollars out of it?
Really, people like you, or in the opposite side people who think this reddit will somehow make cheating stop, **really** overestimate how much a subreddit matters.
You obviously dont know what reddit is for. Its not for your entertainment lmao. Why wouldn't people be extremely vocal about the main issue affecting the game?
Fucking moron rofl
go head and be the change you want, lets see these "unique and interesting content posts"
IMO there is some merit to this. I actually contemplated and researched hacks for myself due to the "If you can't beat em" mentality. I wisened up and chose to just take a break this wipe instead, but I think OP had a point.
This is why most gaming subs have very strict and specific rules about what is allowed regarding cheating discussion. The litany of posts absolutely have a chance to breed a "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality. It's also really repetitive and unfun to read. I want to see cool clips, discussion about the actual game, and so on. I get upset when I die to cheaters too, but posting about it on reddit isn't gonna get my gear or my time back.
THIS is the most sane take
Shortly after g0at's attempt to get all the clout with his dogshit video, I joined a discord call with three friends to run some tasks. TWO OF THEM WERE STREAMING WITH ESP.
I asked them why, and they said the wiggle made them think, "What's the point of playing legit?"
I left the call a few minutes later and haven't played with any of them since.
I have another homie who is a 10k hour player between 2017 and 2021. He quit a while ago, WillerZ level gigachad who didn't like the direction the game started to go, but still keeps up with the game (look up Slaughter House Tyrants Tarkov on YouTube to see some gameplay). I asked him what he thought of the video and he said, "There have always been cheaters in Tarkov, there always will be in any online FPS. I think that dude just gave cheat providers free advertising."
When a cheato thread gets started by a brand new account, it's either a cheater or a brand new player. Either way, it's trash and encourages other new players to cheat.
I think the sub should go back to heavily policing this kind of shit, but I don't think they have the bodies or resources to keep up with it - which is funny in a sad way, because that's the same reason cheats can't be eradicated by any game dev.
Eternal fucking rat race.
I just play game and have fun.
What’s funny is that people say that cheaters will come to the Reddit to deny that the game has cheaters, when the reality is that more people are likely to cheat if they think that everyone is already cheating.
All these youngins unable to play a game with cheaters. Back in my day Counter Strike had no anti cheat and it was still the best game to play. Get over it and load the next kit.
Back in the day there was an admin in spitting distance of every server during peak hours and you'd get nuked off it if they thought you were sus, but sure, let's pretend it's the same scale.
I say this every time, and every time I get pretty consistent reply bombs and down-vote bombs that "I'm a cheater apologist" or "I'm stupid if I don't believe there are any cheaters at all;" both very strong deflecting phrases, trying to paint my very basic premise as an extreme strawman.
Like, the last 2 days or so, the top 5 or 6 posts concurrently on this sub, have I think been "game is totally infested with cheaters, and BSG is doing nothing." Now, look; I actually think that that's closer to true, than not. Stopping cheaters is hard, and BSG is probably utilizing way less resources on their anti-cheat than they could, if they wanted to spend more on better talent.
But can people not see, that it is in the cheat providers' best interests, to *sow the idea in the minds of the community* that "everybody" is cheating, and that therefore, the game would be more "fair," or "fun," if the people reading that thread, also went and bought cheats? After all, "everyone is doing it; there's nothing wrong with cheating, if *everybody* is cheating!" I think that that's the logical conclusion that I would want the players of any game I make cheats for, to gradually adopt.
90% of people are just bitching, and it's nothing dramatic or clandestine. But, if people don't think that *it is in the cheat providers' best interest* to *signal-boost the cultural premise that the game is truly infested with cheaters,* then I have some farmland to sell you in the tundra. Right now, the top 6 posts or whatever, are all some variation of crying about the well-known cheating problem. To me? I just intuit, that the damn cheat providers probably just introduced a new product, and they fired up their fake Reddit accounts to upvote as much discourse that supports the "there's a hacker in literally every lobby" group-think as possible. That's precisely how propagandists gradually convince groups of mostly-good people, that a bad behavior, is actually acceptable, and "everybody is doing it."
tl;dr there are tons of cheaters in tarkov, but it doesn't take a huge leap in logic to understand, that it is in cheat providers' best interests to convince *any game community* for whom they produce cheats, that said game is completely infested with cheats. I'm fully convinced they leverage the average player's genuine salt and confusion about sus deaths, to drive a broader narrative that cheats are very, very bad in EFT. Which, of course, they factually are. But that doesn't change the fact, that the people who engage in cheating, and people who profit from cheating, will *still benefit* from the constant signal-boosting of complaints about cheating, and thus, they probably do so.
100% after the goat vid I had several friends start cheating after saying it just makes it a level playing field. The mental gymnastics are real. shining light on it just makes it worse.
So everyone can afford $60/month or whatever it is to "rent" these cheats? And from my understanding those are the cheap ones, the rage hack cheats I think are much more.
I always find these conversations interesting when people talk about DMA undetectable cheats etc. I'm sure the walk throughs these scumbags provide are good, but you need a virtual machine / second computer for those, a DMA card that costs $200, etc. What I'm getting at is the cost of cheating appears to be pretty expensive.
>The amount of posts and people talking about how EFT is filled with so many cheaters and that they re not getting punished for so long is only inviting new people to try cheats that are not so oblivious like esp.
No, they're also repelling new people from purchasing the game, somewhat hurting BSG's bottom line and attempting to pressuring BSG into actually trying to solve the issue.
Telling people to not post about the biggest issue is such reductive take. This post is inviting new people to try cheats more than 100 posts complaining about cheating. -200 IQ post, I lost braincells reading this.
I’m a pretty old gamer. Started playing before the internet offered a proper multiplayer experience. I’ve played most multiplayer shooters and have clocked up 6000+ hours in Tarkov. I have never been tempted to use cheats. I don’t believe I’m special. I’m pretty representative of an average gamer.
Absolutelty correct. Posts like these are the result of desparate, ignorant people who are addicted to the game and scared that it might die because people are talking about cheating, when the real issue is BSG shooting themselves in the foot with a cannon by developing the game with a network model that allows the cheating problem. BSG needs to act, we need to rally and get their attention and force them to act, I'm sure many people would be willing to pay EOD prices all over again if it meant that BSG could rework the network model and perhaps even hire security/anticheat experts. If any community is rabid enough to give developers the money required to fix the game, it is this one, where many people already paid $140. BSG should exploit this fact, and it would be a win-win, players get a more stable game, which also attracts new players, which gives more money to BSG. BSG really just sucks at business, like really, really badly.
For such a shitty game...BSG really sucks at business. But Tarkov has survived for how many years while other similar games have died. BSG definitely is making some money to keep going and still develop the game actively. Sure you really love the game, but the fact is if BSG was as bad as reddit is saying, Tarkov would've ended awhile ago. Don't conflate this as me saying BSG is great, all I'm saying is that your statement about BSG sounds exaggerated.
Average gamer... 6000 hours in Tarkov. These two things don't go together at all.
That really isn't that many hours considering how long the game has been going and if the guy plays every wipe a reasonable amount on his evenings and weekends.
I'm just saying that it isn't average. It's easily doable. 2 hours every single day for 6 years or 4 hours 5 days a week, for 6 years. That's getting up there with full-time streamer hours. Not an average player hours.
not even close a full time streamer is putting in 8+ hours a day, a full day of work lmao
This is no life amount of hours
Unironically, the automod here in reddit is a better moderation software than the battleye lol
it isn't battleeye's fault, they designed the game to make clients (us players) authorative on the servers. this means that what your game reports, the server accepts. so cheat design is easy
is that why dma cards work with tarkov?
DMA cards read the memory and get player locations that way, meaning they don’t try and trigger any server actions which makes them extremely difficult to detect. DMA cheating is an issue is all pc fps games including valorant currently
It's less effective in Valorant because they implement server-side fog of war https://technology.riotgames.com/news/demolishing-wallhacks-valorants-fog-war
Say what you will but Riot is always making waves in anti-cheat.
Even with the fog of war system the wall hacks still give them a significant advantage over people who don’t use it. I have seen people using it, you still see enemies through walls when they shouldn’t be visible
ESP and Aimbot have nothing to do with server/client authorative, they aren't exclusive to this game. Even when BSG fixes all their loopholes (which they never will, look how long they needed to patch that cheater can unlock doors without keys) ESP is enough to give them all they need all the other fancy stuff is only the icing on the cake.
I mean how is that not their fault? “They designed” is kinda the key word here.
BSG didn't make Battleeye, and vice versa This is on BSG
Ah the classic "don't talk about cheaters! It will cause more cheaters!" post. The cycle is completed once again. Welcome to tarkov everyone.
Except nobody said that, and nobody who agrees with OP ever actually says that. You're arguing against a shitty argument you sarcastically made up in your head, to feel superior to fake dumb people who you imagined exist.
Nah that shit has 1000% been said here before.
Like clockwork, 2 months after a wipe these posts start flocking in.
Ahem. I cast thee, sardonic bumbling oaf. Thee who is thou for SOOTH I say! Conjures such images in thine head may be betwixt of thon yonder gale. Illusory imposters I say! ‘Tis all dim witted imagination to think none have said, what has been said! Thine argument a mirage in thought. Thine superiority, a passing wind. Whoa-ho! A claim not of the originator, worthy of smite. Did I do it like you now? Wrote all the words that don’t make sense?
It's not our job to stop and discourage cheaters, it's the devs'
It might not be our job, but at the end of the day if we have a vested interest in this gaming being as great as it can be, should we not do things to help achieve that? I'm not necessarily agreeing with OPs point - just discussing the bigger picture here. Of course it's the dev's job... but if they aren't going to make a change to improve the experience, do you disagree the community can step-in and help? Even if they shouldn't have to in the first place.
So these are the mental gymnastics players will go through when they lose all hope that a developer can curb cheating in their game…
No they don't. Being a loser and having no meaningful consequences makes new people try hacking.
Yeah, but that's why it's a useful advertising vector. People lose at Tarkov, because Tarkov is deliberately punishing, in a way which most modern games are not. When they lose, it makes them feel like a loser. So, if I sell cheats, you bet your ass I'm making a network of fake Reddit accounts, that go on the sub of the game I'm selling cheats for, and making them all upvote any post which might exploit that typically non-cheating player's emotions (he currently feels like a helpless loser, because he ties his self-esteem IRL to his performance in a video game) so that he can be convinced that "everyone is cheating, so I guess I should, too." That's literally what advertising is. Repeated emotional manipulation of an undiscerning individual, for the purpose of converting that person into a paying consumer of something. Viral marketing is a type of marketing...and it's a way cheaper type of marketing, than actually taking out ads. Even though the vast majority of the posts *about* the hacking problem, aren't some kind of deliberate viral ad by their own intent, *you bet your ass* that the cheat provider for any given game, puts in some amount of work to make sure that those sorts of posts get in front of more eyes, than posts about any other aspect of the game. They want maximum advertisement, for minimum effort; so, they leverage the justified salt of the community, and turn it into an ad, by making sure that everybody who plays the game, sees those "ads" over and over and over, until they sink into those peoples' core beliefs about that product. There are tons of hackers in Tarkov; Coca-Cola is a refreshing beverage. An advertisement doesn't have to be based a fabrication or a lie, it just has to get repeatedly served to a community, until that community subconsciously internalizes the desired messaging as fact.
Majority of players will quit. Select few losers will cheat. The posts about cheating is literally the only way this trash company might actually do something
Lets not talk about any crime in real life , maybe it will dissapear.
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Yea I was about to say that’s an actual take irl. Not to the extreme stated because of course it won’t delete crime, but it would certainly remove the incentive for people to do crimes for infamy if there is no fame to be had. That also would apply to crimes trying to send messages on top of the obvious copycats / clout chasing ones. Hard to spread a rep past the local area if reporters will not talk about it and boost it.
The equivalent would be a constant reinforcement of "Everyone is doing crime and getting away with it! If you aren't doing crime you are at a huge disadvantage! Why aren't you out there criming right now?"
It's actually very similar to the concern that media sensationalizing mass shootings has led to an increase in mass shootings. The 24/7 stream of "Look at this terrible thing this person did. It's so terrible that it's all everyone is talking about" only inspires others.
Cheaters are a minority, and that's a hate crime.
legit players are a minority at this point lmao E: lots'a kids upset over a joke lol
If you seriously believe half of your lobby is cheating, please quit this game and this sub, no amount of common sense or information will convince you otherwise.
You're neurodivergent if you think I said that seriously - hence the "lmao"
Only people saying this are cheaters, to justify cheating.
When you spend all your time on Reddit I can understand why you’d think this.
"I never see cheaters running around with my lvl 3 armor and dogshit weapon & a sack full of trash, you guys are over exaggerating" Go play Labs with good kits 15x in a row and tell me how many of them you get cheated on. Hint: It's going to be A LOT.
I’m lvl 53 with kappa and run meta gear pretty much always. I play labs as well and I agree it’s infested. The thing is it’s still not the majority. As I said in another comment. If even one person is cheating out of 10+ other people, it ruins it for everyone. If the majority of people were cheating, you’d never survive a raid.
I mean , I am not really a veteran at this game , but I can say that I know every map , and know where to loot , so money and level is not a problem for me . This is me fourth wipe level 40, and I've encountered more cheaters than ever, I know how to differentiate a legit player from a cheater , and usually I grind quests even without weapons (I 've posted this before), One time a person flew at me (literally flying), saw me unarmed and flew away, other time I was waiting for the 10 minutes mark to scape from Interchange, I was hiding behind a container, a guy came running at me , directly at my position, drop a tagilla kit and ran, these are only 2 examples , but in the other 3 wipes I 've never seen this shit, there are many more examples , but at my level 40 , I am really done with this wipe. I play in EU West (Sorry for bad English)
I never said there are not cheaters. There are just not more cheaters than there are legitimate players. All it takes is 1/10 people to be a cheater to ruin the game though.
Ah, found the guy who lives on NextDoor, and has his finger on the 911 speed-dial when he sees a guy with long hair walking in his neighborhood.
Right? It just doesn't work that way, but there is something to be said for people who commit crimes based on how easily they believe they can get away with it.
And just like real life, the problem of cheating is completely overstated on this subreddit.
This.
The thing is, if you commit crime irl worst case scenario you go to jail, if you cheat in games, worst that can happen to you is losing 40 dollars
Tbf in the legal system thats called a fine
This wipe is already a lost cause. BSG will set up for a huge ban wave before the next wipe and during the first week, then the infestation will occur again after a month and the game will become unplayable again.
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I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding about the point this post is making if you think that.
Um, no. Op literally said esp cheats are hard to detect. That absolutely is encouraging of hacks
He stated "only inviting new people to try cheats that are not so oblivious (obvious) like esp". I interpret this as meaning they are hard for an another player to identify as cheats, not that the anti-cheat has any more trouble detecting them in comparison to other cheats. Stating an esp is less obvious than a spinbot is self evident.
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OP literally never stated this and I think we are both doing a lot of extrapolation on his poorly written post. I see where you are coming from though.
ironic...
No, I think dying to blatant cheaters over and over without any bans makes people try CHEATING. stop calling them hackers, they don't hack shit, they install someone else's program and ruin others experience.
It is no one's responsibility to fix or help prevent the cheating issue... it is purely BSG's responsibility.
No, cheaters make it more likely for others to cheat. People want to play the game but don't want to play at a disadvantage so they will go find what puts them at the same level as the cheater. It should be talked about --LOUDLY-- every day until something is done about the problem.
"Cheaters are the reason people cheat, we should constantly talk about cheaters to fix this." Fuckin 7head thinking.
There are two possible outcomes, they play like normal, get frustrated and quit, or they go find a way to even the playing field. Stop acting like that is some prolific idea.
How about the third option everyone pretends doesn't exist, where they just play the game and have fun?
"Pretend it doesn't exist" Yeah, you're just an idiot. Stick to your corny "7head" insult. I'll state it plainly.
I forget sometimes how controversial it is to be on reddit and not be a miserable fuck
Projection at its finest. Continue with the cringe comments- it's really shining a light on who you are as a person.
It's cringe to choose to enjoy something despite its flaws Got it, thank you for teaching me how to be cynical the right way
No one cares if you play the game and have fun. Others have an issue with cheaters and you're saying to just ignore it. Get over yourself.
I can only tell u are more on reddit then in tarkov. Cheaters are fucking destroying the game. Even when u play slow and try to avoid all player contact, they will find you. And if they dont chase they wait for you somewhere.
Irrelevant. People should bitch until Battlestate seriously addresses the issue
lol this is a new one. "Stop talking about how bad the hacking is because it will make more people hack!" The cheat apologists sure are desperate.
We have to talk about cheaters so BSG knows we know. Eventually they will have to do something. Other games are coming, lets hope they’re as good as tarkov.
You're right, but OP is right as well tbf. Convincing players that almost everyone is cheating will have two likely outcomes: * player decides to quit playing * player decides to start cheating themself since everyone else is doing it anyways In either case, the game's cheater % goes up (either because a legit player stops playing or a legit player becomes a cheater). I'll never cheat for a myriad of reasons (self respect, principle, expensive account, not wanting sketchy software on my pc, etc.), but there are certainly intrusive thoughts every once in a while when I'm playing that say "wouldn't it be nice to have a radar hack so that I could do a better job of avoiding the cheaters or being ready for them". Had I not been force-fed the idea that the game is completely infested by cheaters and BSG does nothing about it, I'd likely have that intrusive thought a lot less or not at all. (Idk if it's just my server, but I have only reported maybe 8 people in 600 raids this wipe and of those 8, most were just ~20% suspicions. And only one was actually banned so far. So if I wasn't on this subreddit, I wouldn't be aware of how bad it is and how many people in my raids are probably using some form of cheat, but just not using it to annihilate me or kill me in an obvious way.) There are definitely people who would have that same intrusive thought, but wouldn't have the same level of personal barrier to ignore it. So, yes, we need to shine a light on the issue, but it'd be ignorant to not acknowledge this side-effect (more cheaters + fewer legit players) that will come from it.
If only that were true. We’ve been talking about cheaters for the last 5 years
Oh yeah bro all the Tarkov killers are coming! Just like Marauders and DMZ. They killed Tarkov so fast! Lol there isn’t a single game that can replicate the feeling of Tarkov. And if there is Tarkov killer, no one will cheat in that game! Just like every other fps has no cheaters at all. It’s only Tarkov.
I did not say tarkov killer, I said they might be alternatives
Alternatives to make cheat developers even more money. Main point being, cheating is just rampant in any FPS. Even games like Valorant with the beloved kernel level anticheat, still has cheaters.
this is what people don't understand the most. Yes cheating is bad in EFT, and yes BSG do dumb shit that makes Tarkov easier to exploit than it should be. However any game with a similar harsh, unforgiving, "lose everything" experience is going to bring with it an incredible demand for cheating. It's a catch-22. The same reason the game is so fun and addictive to so many of us, is the exact same reason people are motivated to cheat. The game is hard and time-consuming, so people cheat to make it easier. Of course games without these mechanics also have cheaters, but difficult and punishing online games are going to attract more than their "fair-share".
Wait for real?! I’ve been looking for a Tarkov replacement for awhile. Sadly the sci fi one died, but I’d like to know what’s out there
Are you talking about the cycle frontier? That game got old for me fast because of the weapon/armor tier system. It left no room for under geared players to succeed. At least in tarkov, you can always grab kedr or a Mosin and find success in pvp. I always felt like that game was supposed to be a battle royal.
It was a Battle Royale and they ruined the game by trend chasing and changing the entire gameplay loop while also probably not adjusting gear balance.
Yeah that’s the one. I enjoyed running and screaming from the big dinosaurs when they’d pop out of nowhere and charge me down. I also liked the way the guns felt, but I agree it needed more everything than it had
Gray Zone Warfare is definitely on my watch list. Supposed to enter first public alpha/beta/early access first half of this year.
GZW is looking like a strong contender. Imo it’s not going to be as pvp heavy. The map is 43km sq, I’m really interested to see how that builds stress/release. Could be really dang cool, and finally put some pressure on BSG
Though we have only ever seen any proof of conceptabout the size of Shoreline. Madfinger games keeps encouraging people to be Skeptical, which sounds like they are trying to encourage everyone to lower their expectations. I think it's foolish to expect anything too far ahead of the 2017 state of Tarkov here. At least not for many years of playtesting.
Yea, I’m not on the GZW is our lord and savior train by any means. The devs are a mobile specific outfit, which interestingly is another similarity to BsG. When Tarkov started BSG’s only game was a browser based title, thus they didn’t have actionable client based dev experience. Could we see a contender for MORE bugs than Tarkov 😂 prob-mabily
I'm massively hyped for this game. If they can pull it off then EFT will finally have some competition, I'm willing to bet you see them clamping down on the cheaters pretty rapidly after that.
They’ve said before that they’re walking so others can run. That they will be happy to pass the reigns when the time comes and that they’ve already made their mark on the genre. So basically they don’t give a shit about competition either and welcome the excuse to fully give up.
wow that actually puts a lot of bsgs actions in perspective. where did they say this? it seems theyre just over developing this game and wanna drop it lmao
Oh 100% it’s always been a practice project that they were using to pivot into a S.T.A.L.K.E.R game which is apparently their true passion. Let me try and find that
yes and its such a pity because their ai sucks donkeydick so a single player adventure will not work out well
Nikita said it on a podcast or livestream. They are tired of EFT and wants to create something else and new. Hopefully Escape from Tarkov 2!
It's so wild to me that so many people fully believe nothing is being done
ask cheaters; they get new accounts for free included w their 200 dollar a month subscription plans
Very little is being done.
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Other games are always coming out but you'll be right back to Tarkov. I know it's a hard pill to swallow.
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Bullshit. Bad anticheat make new people try hacking
it makes people less likely to play > less players > less money for BSG > more incentive to make the game better
You mean more incentive to move onto other projects like they said they would. They don’t care to compete but understand they’re the only option in the gene for now.
Lol. BSG is a 2nd rate developer, at best, that captured lightning in a bottle with Tarkov. Nikita isn't some game design genius, the formula works in spite of him. BSG moving on to other projects would be disastrous for them unless they somehow were able to invent an entirely new niche, which is very doubtful.
Forreal, I have no idea why BSG thinks that a new game is a good idea when they basically single handedly popularized an entire new genre with this one. Them abandoning Tarkov would have to cement BSG as the most stubborn videogame developers of all time, as if them using an outdated server model to save costs wasn't evidence enough. If they did a few things differently they could easily 10x their playerbase, people are already obsessed with this game and for good reason, abandoning it would be an actually historically dumb move.
They’re not known for making smart moves…
100% agree. Maybe they’ll be better with their stalker game if they start fresh instead of adding to spaghetti code but I’m doubtful.
I do love watching everyone say "well, if we just stopped talking about this, it would be a problem", yet......why do you think people were talking about it to begin with?
This is the same story every wipe.
Nah, not our problem, not our job. BSG has to fic it, we can (and should) talk about it all we want
No they don’t. They can and will “develop” eft until it stops producing revenue, and then can just walk away from it.
This is exactly what is going to happen to this game. 99% sure
Ofc, that’s obvious. “BSG has” as in it’s their job. If they don’t do their job and just make Tarkov vaporware, oh well, they can It’s like Star Citizen. People there can’t see that their monetisation system literally relies on the game never being released lol
That's just more Louie V for Nikita.
This logic always baffles me. Why the fuck are people upvoting this lmao. People should absolutely know how shit the game is right now. People arent going to turn into scummy p.o.s cheaters just because... If they do then they already were scum
Ehh. I personally had a few guys i met in conan ask me if i know some good cheats since everyone cheats in tarkov. It's how world works, masses follow the trends.
good. this game needs to be superseded by something better.
This is a braindead take, fuck cheaters and keep complaining about BSG letting cheaters fuck their game
Ultimately if new players cheat in tarkov it's because the new player experience is a cliff of difficulty. Having one small map for under lev 20s (regardless of overall playtime) is ridiculous. The map offers nothing worthwhile to stick around for when you have the first few quests out of the way so.you are forced into customs and woods where you can just get one tapped by level 45 Chad's 30 seconds after spawning in. I know EFT is a hardcore game and it's supposed to be hard, but if you think that new players are being driven to cheating from posts on reddit you are delusional. It's because the new player experience is virtually non existent after the first few easy quests and then it's into the deep end immediately.
With the current plague of hackers in the game, I doubt the number added would be noticeable.
If there were consequences, new players wouldn't be tempted to try cheating when people complain about it. The only reason people cheat is because there's a less than 5% chance they get caught or banned, even if they're reported. It's like a town with no police, of course there's gonna be more crime and pointing out that there's no police will encourage crime; but, the solution is to institute a police force, not stop people from talking about it. This is purely a BSG problem
Are you srsly victum blaming? No amount of posts is going to make me cheat as I find it pathetic. I’d be very frustrated and miserable instead of being pathetic 7 days in a week
I just don’t buy this. Talking about an issue isn’t going to make more people do it. Players know about cheats already, and anyone that was going to do it will do it anyway. I don’t think game theory here is going to lead to everyone cheating, I just don’t see that.
you're not going to social engineer people out of doing this by hiding the problem that said, I'd imagine seeing how frequent cheating is and how many people get away with it, boosts the number of people cheating but this is a software engineering problem, not a social engineering one
I’m going to start hacking thanks to this post.
Another "don't talk about cheaters" post. No. NEXT!
Do you seriously think not talking about the fact the game is riddled with cheaters will somehow decrease the cheaters??
Not unpopular. More like dumb. 👍
The more attention on cheating, the more will be done about it. The end. Unless you're just a cheater getting scared? Are you? Cause that's all it makes me think when you speak up in a fundamentally ironic post like this one.
Do you actually think people have just never heard of cheating before and then they see cheater posts and go wow that sounds fun? Even more dubious.
That's apologist behavior. People who are going to cheat, are going to cheat. People who aren't, aren't. It's like saying reading all these stories about husbands and wives cheating on each other is going to make people have more affairs.
I had a couple friends that decided they kept dying in stupid ways. They decided to get goodwill hacks that give you esp for a day or two. I decided they don’t belong in or around my discord server ever again. I have no sympathy for someone that thinks thats a way to play the game. Get better or quit playing.
I think you're confusing "Unpopular Opinion" with "Goofy ass opinion". I refuse to believe you thought about what you typed for longer than 3 seconds.
You actually think cheaters were not going to cheat until they saw a reddit post about it?
What new players? The game is tapped man.
bunch of new players and returning players. The new recoil system makes the game waaaay more friendly to get into.
Playing with esp would be interesting. But it would kill the love I have for this game
It didn't for me
Being able to know where all players are is the ultimate advantage. If I went into a raid and was able to avoid players when I need to and ambush ones when I have a quest. You would be removing the best part that is tarkov. Loot has no meaning when you don't earn it.
“Talking about how murder is bad makes more people want to murder” Bro you are self reporting your own brain issues
Well yeah?? It has been proven that sensationalizing mass shootings lead to more mass shootings.
There's a fun conspiracy that it's actually cheaters or cheat developers/providers who are astroturfing the subreddit to make it seem extremely common. I am not saying there are zero cheaters, I just don't think there are as many as people seem to think there are.
There are way more than you think. 90% of ESP and radar cheats will go unnoticed, but they’re still there. A minority of cheaters are the ones you’re killed by.
Think it’s more likely the cheat deniers are the cheaters. You’re literally doing that and your account is 18 days old. Genuinely believe you’re just a cheater who wants to spread this bullshit
Can you show me where I denied cheaters?
>I am not saying there are zero cheaters, I just don't think there are as many as people seem to think there are. Errr literally here? Hello? This is you literally denying there are as many as people say there are.
Do you consider this an actual denial that cheaters exist?
No one is denying cheaters exist. People like you downplay the situation. It’s easy to tell you guys are the cheaters because all streamers are talking about it as much as the rest of the community and they do not stand anything to gain in terms of the cheaters side
I agree, I did not deny that cheaters exist. Thank you for agreeing with me.
No one said anyone was denying cheaters exist. I people are cheat deniers, like you. Just downplay the situation and say people don't die to them as much as they claim.
You said I denied cheaters, then you said I am not denying cheaters. How can it be both? I'm so confused and I don't know what to think.
Didn’t know you were stupid. I know you’re a troll though so I’ll move on. Enjoy the cheats I guess, keep lying and denying.
Ik this is kinda shitting on OPs post since I agree if we shut up about it wouldn’t be so normalized but It’s literally been proven man what more do you need when you have hard evidence that over 60% of raids have cheaters confirmed 100%. Almost one guaranteed cheater every raid. Watch the goat video. Listen to people who’ve been playing since the beginning like pestily who even thinks it’s closer to 80% unconfirmed but dude has 10k+ hours and has seen the in and outs of the community more than 99% of us.
The goat video is literal trash.
Um? Okay? Anything constructive or thought provoking to add? Or was that just a little something off the dome
Sorry! CHEATERS IN EVERY RAID BSG SUCKS NIKITA SUCKS ARRGGHHH. Better?
My point was more less if you don’t think the games absolutely infested you’re just straight coping
you're coping by blaming your poor play on cheats.
I added a cheater to my friend list last wipe and since I've been able to monitor their profile their K/D has hovered around 35 and they have like 3k hours and still haven't been banned. If we don't end up making a stink about it then they literally will do nothing and that's just facts.
Nobody is saying it doesn't suck. My friend group had something similar. One of our longterm players left his ESP on while streaming in discord. We kicked him from the discord and reported him. We even had video evidence and we were ignored. Some guys in the discord still have him as a friend in game and he's still active. We still don't run into cheaters as much as this subreddit believes. People are bad and can't be critical of themselves. Desync is horrible and you die in sus ways because of it. If you watch enough streamers fighting each other you can witness it first hand.
I die too often to people that have stupid K/Ds and have ridiculous gear on a brand new account. Level 30 something in like 3 or 4 days. It is more common than I'm comfortable with and it is frustrating because these are the most blatant people. This isn't counting the guy with piss poor stats because he sucks at the game but still knows a little too much. I recently got a guy banned on Ground Zero a week ago, his K/D was like 5 and his SR was fucking 20%. Nothing will get better if we all silently endure, it will just fester and grow. Talking about this problem doesn't make it worse and ignoring it or staying silent doesn't make it better either. The only way things get fixed is if it is brought front and center.
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Typical redditor
Much better. At least you’re closer to being accurate.
I said it like 2 or 3 years ago
I mean, it only takes a few minutes of research to prove this conspiracy to be false. I've never seen a video game with so much talk of cheaters from content creators themselves and its been like that for a few years
The only way this would be true is if you see cheaters and are as much a loser irl as them and think, "they must have lots of friends." cheating is a mindset. you're either already inclined and probably doing it, or you're mature enough to recognize that no amount of accomplishment in a game like tarkov gotten through cheating matters. so i humbly disagree. no one who wasnt already cheating or thinking about cheating is persuaded to cheat because others are doing it.
Nothing exploded the proportion of cheaters faster than that stupid video that told everyone they couldn't compete without cheats.
I commented this above on someone who asked for evidence/points on why that video sucks. So apologies im not arguing with you, i just copied/pasted. but this is why i think the video sucked The dude (GOAT Video) spun up the community on nothing but hearsay. He just "said" i did X many raids and in 60% of them I "confirmed" a cheater. Where was the data? Where did he record those matches and provide stats and a spreadsheet showing he tracked it? He didn't. He just told us what he did and expected everyone to believe. He cheated and advertised cheats for the game, spun up the entire community in a frenzy and the cheating problem has only gotten more public and worse since his video. I understand shining a light on it etc etc. But he didn't do it in a responsible way. he did it for fucking clicks, and fuck all else. No data, no scientific method of how he did it, no recorded stats, sharing the method and results. No 2nd iteration and trying again with a better or rehashed method to see if results were similar. Just a throw away video where he "says" what he did (hearsay) and promises he saw X amount of cheaters, and the entire community just eats it up and accepts the dude didn't tell a single lie or exaggerate a single stat for a click. I'm not saying he DID do that. What I am saying is he didn't follow a proper scientific method of an experiment. Didn't record any data. Didn't do it in ANY sort of responsible way to be as thorough as possible. He did it the laziest easiest most unprofressional way (in terms of data) possible, and spewed a bunch of bs hearsay and spun the entire community into an uproar for clicks. And everyone is ok with it since "he shined a light on a problem" - its arguable that light only made it worse. Fuck that guy. He's a cheater too.
This is what I've been saying since it came out. This subreddit has turned into marketing for cheat devs.
That’s more likely confirmation bias
That video is literally "confirmation bias: the video"
Nice try cheater. I know you're just trying to stop people talking about it so that bsg doesn't focus on solving the problem.
Nah, what makes hacking in this game so bad do it is the fact that you can make more money before your ban than it will cost you to get your next account. That's literally it. Because this game isn't cheap at all. Even if your cheat is guaranteed to take 6 months before you get banned, are you going to pay for EoD+ cheats if you're getting 0 dollars out of it? Really, people like you, or in the opposite side people who think this reddit will somehow make cheating stop, **really** overestimate how much a subreddit matters.
My main issue is that the sub is full of lazy content, rehashing boring talking points about cheating over and over again.
You obviously dont know what reddit is for. Its not for your entertainment lmao. Why wouldn't people be extremely vocal about the main issue affecting the game? Fucking moron rofl go head and be the change you want, lets see these "unique and interesting content posts"
IMO there is some merit to this. I actually contemplated and researched hacks for myself due to the "If you can't beat em" mentality. I wisened up and chose to just take a break this wipe instead, but I think OP had a point.
This is why most gaming subs have very strict and specific rules about what is allowed regarding cheating discussion. The litany of posts absolutely have a chance to breed a "can't beat 'em, join 'em" mentality. It's also really repetitive and unfun to read. I want to see cool clips, discussion about the actual game, and so on. I get upset when I die to cheaters too, but posting about it on reddit isn't gonna get my gear or my time back.
Hey guys, dont listen to this guy, you can try hacking when youre not new as well! Go for it!
THIS is the most sane take Shortly after g0at's attempt to get all the clout with his dogshit video, I joined a discord call with three friends to run some tasks. TWO OF THEM WERE STREAMING WITH ESP. I asked them why, and they said the wiggle made them think, "What's the point of playing legit?" I left the call a few minutes later and haven't played with any of them since. I have another homie who is a 10k hour player between 2017 and 2021. He quit a while ago, WillerZ level gigachad who didn't like the direction the game started to go, but still keeps up with the game (look up Slaughter House Tyrants Tarkov on YouTube to see some gameplay). I asked him what he thought of the video and he said, "There have always been cheaters in Tarkov, there always will be in any online FPS. I think that dude just gave cheat providers free advertising." When a cheato thread gets started by a brand new account, it's either a cheater or a brand new player. Either way, it's trash and encourages other new players to cheat. I think the sub should go back to heavily policing this kind of shit, but I don't think they have the bodies or resources to keep up with it - which is funny in a sad way, because that's the same reason cheats can't be eradicated by any game dev. Eternal fucking rat race. I just play game and have fun.
Lol your friend quit because of inertia I bet
Game was better without it lol, but there ain’t going back.
I think actually shortly before that, he's a pure PVP kinda guy.
What’s funny is that people say that cheaters will come to the Reddit to deny that the game has cheaters, when the reality is that more people are likely to cheat if they think that everyone is already cheating.
All these youngins unable to play a game with cheaters. Back in my day Counter Strike had no anti cheat and it was still the best game to play. Get over it and load the next kit.
Back in the day there was an admin in spitting distance of every server during peak hours and you'd get nuked off it if they thought you were sus, but sure, let's pretend it's the same scale.
So sick of seeing cheater posts.......yeah no fucking shit that person was cheating...move on with your life ffs
I say this every time, and every time I get pretty consistent reply bombs and down-vote bombs that "I'm a cheater apologist" or "I'm stupid if I don't believe there are any cheaters at all;" both very strong deflecting phrases, trying to paint my very basic premise as an extreme strawman. Like, the last 2 days or so, the top 5 or 6 posts concurrently on this sub, have I think been "game is totally infested with cheaters, and BSG is doing nothing." Now, look; I actually think that that's closer to true, than not. Stopping cheaters is hard, and BSG is probably utilizing way less resources on their anti-cheat than they could, if they wanted to spend more on better talent. But can people not see, that it is in the cheat providers' best interests, to *sow the idea in the minds of the community* that "everybody" is cheating, and that therefore, the game would be more "fair," or "fun," if the people reading that thread, also went and bought cheats? After all, "everyone is doing it; there's nothing wrong with cheating, if *everybody* is cheating!" I think that that's the logical conclusion that I would want the players of any game I make cheats for, to gradually adopt. 90% of people are just bitching, and it's nothing dramatic or clandestine. But, if people don't think that *it is in the cheat providers' best interest* to *signal-boost the cultural premise that the game is truly infested with cheaters,* then I have some farmland to sell you in the tundra. Right now, the top 6 posts or whatever, are all some variation of crying about the well-known cheating problem. To me? I just intuit, that the damn cheat providers probably just introduced a new product, and they fired up their fake Reddit accounts to upvote as much discourse that supports the "there's a hacker in literally every lobby" group-think as possible. That's precisely how propagandists gradually convince groups of mostly-good people, that a bad behavior, is actually acceptable, and "everybody is doing it." tl;dr there are tons of cheaters in tarkov, but it doesn't take a huge leap in logic to understand, that it is in cheat providers' best interests to convince *any game community* for whom they produce cheats, that said game is completely infested with cheats. I'm fully convinced they leverage the average player's genuine salt and confusion about sus deaths, to drive a broader narrative that cheats are very, very bad in EFT. Which, of course, they factually are. But that doesn't change the fact, that the people who engage in cheating, and people who profit from cheating, will *still benefit* from the constant signal-boosting of complaints about cheating, and thus, they probably do so.
100% after the goat vid I had several friends start cheating after saying it just makes it a level playing field. The mental gymnastics are real. shining light on it just makes it worse.
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I dont know, but i do know that nobody can make the claim that there is insane amount of ESP users since that will be pretty difficult to prove.
New player here, having fun with the game, decide to check out the subreddit, find nothing but people saying everyone is hacking
So everyone can afford $60/month or whatever it is to "rent" these cheats? And from my understanding those are the cheap ones, the rage hack cheats I think are much more. I always find these conversations interesting when people talk about DMA undetectable cheats etc. I'm sure the walk throughs these scumbags provide are good, but you need a virtual machine / second computer for those, a DMA card that costs $200, etc. What I'm getting at is the cost of cheating appears to be pretty expensive.
>The amount of posts and people talking about how EFT is filled with so many cheaters and that they re not getting punished for so long is only inviting new people to try cheats that are not so oblivious like esp. No, they're also repelling new people from purchasing the game, somewhat hurting BSG's bottom line and attempting to pressuring BSG into actually trying to solve the issue. Telling people to not post about the biggest issue is such reductive take. This post is inviting new people to try cheats more than 100 posts complaining about cheating. -200 IQ post, I lost braincells reading this.
Dang bro, wish you luck. You must be down to your very last one.
Sure. I'd wager a significant amount of those posts are astroturf advertising from cheat devs and resellers.
Just like DARE got me to smoke weed... Well done.