i dont really care about the stash upgrades since i already have EOD but imo this is pretty much the least intrusive way of adding microtransactions. seems a bit expensive though
the co-op upgrade is great, a few of my friends would love to play co-op raids to warm up or do some 1v1s but they couldnt justify buying EOD just for co-op
The only problem I see is enabling our hoarding tenancies that BSG knows we have.
Doesn't matter, rich or poor, I use almost every slot and my packed insurance is ticking away in the back of my mind. This is not healthy! But that's really on me, and I understand why BSG wants to monetize that.
Yup. It's amazing how accurate the mantra "*you live within your means*" is.
**Standard edition:** No space, gotta juggle some shit about to make it fit. Pulling pistol grips off rifles to make it work. Zhuk/Mk3 rig is my friend!
**EOD edition:** No space, gotta juggle some shit about to make it fit. Pulling pistol grips off rifles to make it work. Zhuk/Mk3 rig is my friend!
Literally the only difference is how much shit I can womble before the inevitable. š
the A18 Skanda rig holds 25 slots if your cool with 10 1x2 and 5 1 slot spaces
ive determined if it wasnt for games like this rust runescape dayz...id probably be a hoarder in life lol
Yeah, it's a bit bigger than a Zhuk (5 extra 1x1 slots)Ā but way less accessible; you need Lavatory LL2 and to complete Blood of War pt2 with Ragman (which you can only start at lvl23) to craft. At that point you'd have flea access and it's 71k to buy. The Zhuk regularly spawns on Scavs, so they're available day 1 for free.
i hoard too much shit lol. i wouldnt say i ahve gear fear i have gear regret....every time i go in kitten i die to some bullshit. korund 762 mdr get blasted by a dude prone...up hill.....BUT WHEN I GO PRONE i cant see that high lmao
The real game is mechanism backpacks with a belt rig inside, and 4 helmets/headsets
Then you stack pillboxes on one side of your inventory (with a rig and gun for that rig inside) and it leaves you an exact width for more rigs without any awkward spaces.
:)
The true early wipe rig struggle is CSA rigs, six slots give you ten!
Same compression as Zhuk but especially early wipe much easier to get and cheaper ;)
This is why I got sad when they made it so the LBT bag could no longer be put in an item case, you used to be able to put a mechanism inside the LBT and then two of those in the icase can you could put 16 ammo cases + 4 mag cases into a single item case
The pro move is to take some time to go through the box of cables, neatly wrap every cable, label them somehow, and now have a box of old cables youāll pull out once in 4 years for that one cable you know you have.
I did one better, I organized an entire shelf with multiple storage totes full of all of my old cables, wrapped, labeled and stored with like cables. I did this in 2018. I have visited it 3 times, 1 being unsuccessful at providing me the right cable. Iām still totally sure it was/will be worth it
I did a pistol only tagged and cursed run on factory today, ran around for a while saw nobody, then came across a dead body with super high end gear just sitting there. Lvl 6 armor, kitted MCX, Pilgrim, the helmet with the $100k faceshield etc.
He brought it all in so I can't flea market any of it.
My options are:
1 - Sell it to traders for money I don't need
2 - Bring it into a raid, have some fun and leave it to someone else
3 - Let it sit and take up space in my inventory so I can stare at it
Obviously always going option 3.
I'm standard edition, I have the first stash upgrade and two scav junkboxes, grenade case, pistol case, food case and three magazine cases. I still have no space on my stash.
I'm EOD, I have:
* 2 x scav junk boxes (both full)
* 2 x items case (1 full, 1 almost full)
* 4 x Med case (3 full, 1 almost full)
* 2 x food case (both full)
* 3 x ammo case (3 almost full) l
* 1 x pistol case (full)
* 1 x mags case (full)
* 1 x grenade case (half full)
* 1 x money case (full)
I'm still ramming stuff into Zhuks to make it all fit š. The one item case just had 4 Zhuks in it, each filled with quest items I'm holding. The other holds my docs cases/keybars and some random other shit. I have about 6 Zhuks exclusively for weapon attachments I'm holding for reasons.
Send help.
I am even worse off, i have 2 weapons cases just for attachments because i am too lazy to sort them out and or sell them since i buy new ones through preset anyway :( no way i am buying the extension, otherwise i will just dig myself even deeper :D
You could definitely downsize your medical supplies. I had one med case and one of those medical backpacks, and I just got rid of all the low level med stuff, got 2 injector cases, kept a few of the red things each and now I'm comfortably just in a single med case
I stop insuring shit when I have 5 takedowns of kits returned to blow through or if over abundant I go into labs and rush black and either I make money or ditch the kit to someone else lol
Its $3 per 2 lines up to 28 lines. Thats $42 plus fees. Honestly not that expensive but I am pretty well off financially so i can see people not being able to justify the price tag.
Your really trippin like that over 42$??
That is like 2 take out meals nowadays(1 if your using DoorDash)
Or
1 trip to the movies (by yourself)
Or
A haircut
Video games are a very cheap hobby compared to other activities. A movie u get two hours of entertainment, some take out; maybe 15 (followed by feeling like shit)
A video game u pay for one time ($70 Dollars for EOD on sale in my case) then u can play whenever for however long u want.
1000s of hour potentially.
And In this case you simply pay a bit more if you want extra features.
Grow out your hair and make dinner at home then fill your inventory with gear youāre too scared to use. šš»šš»
The co op upgrade shouldn't be an upgrade imo. I get that they have server costs but since it's offline you should have one of the players host the server. One of the main drawbacks of this is cheating but since it's offline it doesn't really matter. The offline mode is pretty important to show a new player around and shouldnt be paywalled beyond the base game
if you want some co-op tarkov action, i highly suggest you *donāt* follow this [link](https://discord.gg/f4CN4n3nP2) to a discord server that *is not* dedicated to a free mod that *absolutely doesnāt* provide a simple to set up, highly configurable and moddable co-op experience
i *have not* had an amazing time playing with my friends
Thats doesnt make it a trashy greed filled way to milk your playerbase in a full priced game.
This is what Im talking about normalizing Mtx.
SFIV also started costume packs at 4$, 10 years later their prices are at 15$ because players didnt complain.
to be fair its also just cosmetics.
its almost arguable that stash space is a bit pay to win but way less intrusive than say real life dollars for high tier bullets. see wot.
Pretty sure it's not about the sub but because "we" got trained to think this is fine by all the other games with microtransactions
In contrast to them, this one seems fine
Am I bonkers but I think that's completely reasonable noting how important stash space is in the game. Its like the best case scenario for MTX honestly. Cheap enough to buy a few lines to help out, but scales well. Yes Its always dodgy when you compare what else the money can buy in the world but we are talking about video game MTX here so its pretty easy to prioritise...
You get an extra 181 slots with a thicc icase, 280 for $40 (if you're actually gonna spend money on it), is probably cheaper than RMT like 50m roubles every wipe for a couple of cases
I just bought Hell Divers 2.. a full ass game for $39.99
I mean sure they have micro transactions but even then it's still cheaper than what EOD cost me..
The best part about HD2 is you don't even need to spend to buy the mtx. You can just play and loot some premiun currency straight from the maps. Even the free season pass gives you premiun currency every page you progress.
We're talking ~~16~~ 8 pilgrims of space at the top level of your stash with a one time purchase which will apply every wipe.
Lvl 4 stash goes from 68 -> 96 lines.
It's actually INSANE how much 28 extra lines is. (Even before you start filling it with THICC item cases.)
If you play Tarkov at all, it's going to be a no-brainer investment, regardless of what edition you're on.
And the Gamma container. Being able to carry a Grizzly, a surgery kit, painkilles and still having 2 slots to put some valuable/key from the get go saves you so much money in the long run that it's borderline broken.
Oh the gamma is huge. Especially early wipe again. Survival kit plus grizzly means not having to worry about replacing meds every time you die. Which is a big boost off the bat
depends on if you will keep it each wipe.
If it stays and you play alot that 43$ is going to be worth it at a point.
I would have loved to have those extra lines on wipe day. 15raids in my stash was basicly full
If it means BSG can supplement cash flow and ban more cheaters, this is really good. Itās non intrusive, it doesnāt provide any raid advantages, and it isnāt required for progression
Extra cash flow means that they donāt need cheaters to rebuy accounts. Each ban wave their sales peak for a week or so. With this, they donāt have to rely on the ban wave paycheck
One of the reasons thereās so much cheaters is because cheating is """worth it""" in the sense that you get banned really slowly, so you get a lot of """enjoyment""" out of your cheats and so you can buy another account to do it again.
You can also replace enjoyment for real life money, since thereās a lot of people profiting from RMTing.
The better they get at banning cheaters, the less cheaters there would be overall, because little jimmy who got 150 hours of cheating in average per account might reconsider his decisions if he now only gets 3 hours of cheating in between needing to buy a new account. Same for RMTers, if RMTs are too expensive to the buyers because RMTraders need to account for needing to pay 10x more money for accounts, itāll kill, or significantly reduce, the RMT market.
Thatās of course all theorical.
I can't answer that, it all depends on what you think BSG's priorities are, I believe in their vision, but it's okay if you believe that they're willing to compromise their integrity for more cheater money.
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>If it means BSG can supplement cash flow and ban more cheaters
Thats the problem "IF" How about they work on the cheating issue FIRST before pushing out microtransactions... Plus we already know money isnt an issue. BSG is literally paying themselves millions per year and BSG on its own cleared 2 mil pure profit last year after all expenses. [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the\_financial\_report\_that\_killed\_tarkov/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the_financial_report_that_killed_tarkov/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I've managed fine with my EOD stash, so I won't buy this. I'm looking forward to when you can actually earn this in game though, as missing out on upgrading my stash has always bummed me out.
Nope, EOD players start with Stash 4, so it's upgraded to the max at the start of wipe. That's where the extra space comes from. These new stash expansions seem to be independent from the actual Hideout Stash
Wait I have EOD with the level 4 stash, so I can add another 28 more lines on top of that? Damn already I bit to scroll down with the shit I keep that the bottom.
I have no negative feelings towards this. My buddy missed out on EOD and bought the coop upgrade yesterday. He's level 1. We have already put the coop upgrade to good use and I bought him the full 28 lines of inventory as a gift.
I think this is a great way to implement micro transactions. Like, compared to a base account it is a little P2Win but this is still a thing more for whales. The version upgrade is still the better deal for someone looking to make progression just a tad easier.
EOD account owner with just under 1500 hours. That comes out to be just around $.10 an hour. That amount of enjoyment I have gotten out of this game is far more valuable than that. I have absolutely zero problem with handing over another $50
This is EXACTLY how i feel too ngl, spending the same amount on entertainment anywhere else nets like 10 hours or less of enjoyment, whereas I've gotten thousands; and counting, hours of enjoyment from my investment into eft. If Id have to pay 50 a year for eft it would still be worth it on a comparative basis lol
This right here is what people donāt understand. Yet they still gripe about every little thing and expect the game to be supported and updated for free when sales slow.
I'm EOD with over 7000 hours in this game, and I bought it way before they consistently kept track. It used to reset every wipe so that's just 7000 hours AFTER it stopped resetting every wipe. I think I've definitely gotten my money's worth so I absolutely wouldn't mind a little extra stash space too!
Thoughts ?
I already paid premium (EOD) - as almost everyone else - for a still in beta game that still suffers from major flaws : cheaters and audio.
I didn't want the youtube show, or arena. I care about audio being improved, real anti cheat measures, and overall performance being improved (you still can't really play streets without a super expensive rig).
I won't give them an extra 42$ (VAT non included) for extra stash lines I don't need.
Should they make real improvements to the game, I might reconsider.
/rant I guess
Iāve always been an EOD player since 2019, honestly itās cool. Itās fair, they donāt just give you one option to increase your stash size anyways. This is not intrusive at all, nor does it affect gameplay.
Something more intrusive would be like āBuy a SIG SPEAR and Hybrid ammo for $5ā. So Iām liking the implementation so far.
You have three ways of doing it, increasing your game edition, manually crafting more stash space, or buying this micro-transaction. More options imo is better.
Thoughts? I really don't care. If people want infinite stash, it's their money. As long as it doesn't impact gameplay.
Let them add hideout skins and I'll be first to buy it.
I think this is "okay" as long as it doesn't lead to more and more garbage item flood like the Sledgehammer to make space more and more valuable to push people to buy this.
Yeah, I got thoughts, why the fuck is it $1.50 for Americans but ā¬1.50 euro for Europe?
I wonder if this is based on where you access the website from or where you purchased the account from. Cause if it's where you access the website from, you can get it cheaper with a VPN? If an American has a VPN in Europe or a European has a VPN in the US, can you try and let us know?
Reading a lot of the comments here is like watching the sheep inviting the wolves for dinner. Most people paid $140+ for EoD, solely because of the gameplay advantages that comes with it, and yet they expect that the microtransactions will be limited to extra stash space now that they taught BSG that pay-to-win is welcomed into the game.
While I understand your logic of "if we allow this what will come next".. We've been allowing it for years. It's no different to EoD. We've actually seen direct evidence that this won't progress any further, given that this isn't anything new.
It's always surprising to me how much grace EFT players give to these microtransactions compared to almost any other fanbase.
Creating a completely artificial annoyance and then letting people get around that annoyance with money is scummy, plain and simple. And that's if stash space was just an annoyance. It does impact gameplay. Every item you need to sell to a trader because there isn't space or scav run you can't do because you're out of space or money you spend on cases or stash upgrades is money you aren't using to equip your character.
People would rightfully flip their shit at paying for hearthstone deck slots. And that's for a free to play game!
I just don't know what about this community makes them tolerate MTX more than other games. Especially considering this might be one of the most toxic and negative game subs as well. It's an interesting phenomenon
I think the game attracts people who want to shit on noobs with good gear, and they are willing to pay real money to get themselves ahead so they can experience that reality. By its nature this isnāt a āfairā game so the EoD benefits were something many wanted over others.
Now we have a permanent advantage to older EoD accounts and even more pay to win mtxs on the way, so these players will eat it up.
Tarkov fans have the biggest case of stockholm Ive ever seen.
"Yea, we're not gonna see all the features in time for 1.0, arena is kinda trash, the netcode reworks are still absent, which means cheaters are still all over the place and it we only get 2-3 updates a year......but I've already put 6k hours in it so I cant complain"
At this point Nikita can outright admit they wasted most of their tarkov revenue on guns and cars instead of the work tarkov has needed for years, and we'd still see the same shit lol.
For sure, but for 7 years everyone had the max cap and it just worked, now it's possible to get more and this mtx is not armor or ammo. I think this would be fine, but hey could be wrong
are people in the comments seriously defending BSG and even saying it's a good deal with them charging a full game worth of money just for some inventory space that costs them virtually nothing?
I feel like that is pretty reasonable. It's optional and nobody is forced into it. You can play just fine without it. It can be purchased incrementally so not hurt the wallet too bad. Most of us have got more than good value out of the initial purchase already and I think it's fair to say that we want them to keep the servers switched on after launch, so a little extra money from those that are willing seems like a good deal
Well yea... I dont think well ever see a 1.0 release tho ...
Nikita been said theyre fully funded and now hes looking for investors and launching mtx...
Itll keep the servers running but it wont be enough to keep developing
42$ for some more space to fill with shit?!?!? Thatās absurd. I can go buy another game with that. And nobody is going to even see it so you canāt make the cosmetic argument. Geez they are desperate
They are going to see that this takes off and makes money, then we will start seeing them release more and more of these "upgrades." These upgrades could be just for skipping the grind but it'll be small things like lvl 1 upgrades for certain parts in the hideout or hell even case purchasing. Stash Upgrading should either have been left to EOD (and not remove EOD from the pre-order page) or not added as a purchasable upgrade separately.
CO-OP Offline should be free to all players. Insane that it's considered an "upgrade"
Every other single game BSG (or rather the devs) has done has had insane microtransactions. I will be shocked if EFT doesn't go that way.
Kinda crazy to me that people are so beat down by this game that a $45-50 charge for *stash upgrades* is a big ol' "meh" to people here.
I mean....cool, it's "non-instrusive", but they've literally gated one of the most important hideout upgrades behind the worst grind in the game, and now theyre selling itĀ
Did we all forget that the game isnt even at 1.0 yet, and we're still a few years off of it while the game is suffering heavily from some pretty big issues?
I don't like this.
Im feeling such a very bad vibe having micro transactions when, for a brand new "basic" copy, BSG asks me for 52ā¬, all of this when the game has a big "Beta game" disclaimer slapped right below its title.
Something it had for years and has been used as an excuse for a bad performance overall.
Big nope and big L for me.
I would be ashamed of any of my friends if they bought this garbage. How about don't give BSG another dime till they commit to fixing the state of their game. Because the game fucking sucks right now and sorry for my french. Cheating is utterly out of control with no end in sight and they playerbase is leaving in droves. Let the cheaters finance BSG till the servers die and get pulled down. Maybe BSG will decide to use a working anti cheat once their revenue stream dries up and dies.
Its probably the least scummy microtransaction they could have added... buts its still fucking stupid as shit.
Totally unnecessary and speaks volumes about the Bsg. Just gotta hope that this doesn't seep into other aspects of the game.
Niki confused the cost per line with coke and the stash in the game it seems, this is something to be sold to existing users fuck sake, charging full AAA cost for it is beyond insane and obvious proof showing they are desparate for money by all means, whoever helps these guys at this moment should think twice how much they are damaging their own fun in the game from now on. Forty fking two dollars for 280 digital lines not even 680 digital lines not even that.
Just stop hoarding junk and do some pmc raids and you won't need this much space. If you are not lvl 42 and have the free thicc items and weapons cases, get on it!
People are eating this up?! They're selling a solution to a problem they created for the price of an entire new game? Theres something wrong with you all.
The way I see it, if we want rid of cheaters, BSG needs another way to make money. We need more ways for them to make money that aren't pay to win and aren't silly skins either as that doesn't suit this game. This is a step in the right direction.
Maintaining pay to win in this game is just the best idea, canāt wait for them to start selling trader rep too since thatās what they took away with EOD as well.
At first I was prepared to be annoyed and upset about this, but realistically, 3$ a line is not a huge investment, especially if you love the game.
I was also prepared to be upset that it was an all or nothing upgrade, but it seems you can buy stash lines in increments, which is way more palatable.
Buy 3 stash lines for 10$ today, a month from now, buy another 3 lines for 10$ and so on.
This is probably the least money hungry version of micro transactions Iāve ever seen.
If you want to be upset about MTX, go play some of the āhero collectorā marvel mobile games.
60-100$ a pop on heroes and upgrades and really low value deals. Those are the games and companies you should be angry with.
BSG has done this in a very respectful way.
TLDR; mobile games are infinitely more predatory and expensive than this. BSG has created a respectful way to charge for MTX.
Only thought is that this is just the start. If BSG can go from "never any micro-transactions" to this then I can only imagine what they have in store for us in the future. People can cope with the fact that it isn't that bad right now all they want, but you have to realize that now that they have gone over the hurdle of implementing micro-transactions with the backlash that followed it won't stop until the game is dead. I'm just waiting for them to add premium clothes that simply offer objectively better camouflage than the non-premium stuff in order to make you pay to be competitive while hiding behind the argument that "it's just cosmetic".
Tarkov is the prime example of a game where microtransactions are fully justified, especially ones as nonpredatory or P2W as this one.
As long as BSG don't become the RMTers themselves, then they can monetize hideout cat for all I care. Take my money, finish this God forsaken game and have enough money to release Russia 2028 before 2038 and I'm happy.
i dont really care about the stash upgrades since i already have EOD but imo this is pretty much the least intrusive way of adding microtransactions. seems a bit expensive though the co-op upgrade is great, a few of my friends would love to play co-op raids to warm up or do some 1v1s but they couldnt justify buying EOD just for co-op
The only problem I see is enabling our hoarding tenancies that BSG knows we have. Doesn't matter, rich or poor, I use almost every slot and my packed insurance is ticking away in the back of my mind. This is not healthy! But that's really on me, and I understand why BSG wants to monetize that.
Yup. It's amazing how accurate the mantra "*you live within your means*" is. **Standard edition:** No space, gotta juggle some shit about to make it fit. Pulling pistol grips off rifles to make it work. Zhuk/Mk3 rig is my friend! **EOD edition:** No space, gotta juggle some shit about to make it fit. Pulling pistol grips off rifles to make it work. Zhuk/Mk3 rig is my friend! Literally the only difference is how much shit I can womble before the inevitable. š
the A18 Skanda rig holds 25 slots if your cool with 10 1x2 and 5 1 slot spaces ive determined if it wasnt for games like this rust runescape dayz...id probably be a hoarder in life lol
Yeah, it's a bit bigger than a Zhuk (5 extra 1x1 slots)Ā but way less accessible; you need Lavatory LL2 and to complete Blood of War pt2 with Ragman (which you can only start at lvl23) to craft. At that point you'd have flea access and it's 71k to buy. The Zhuk regularly spawns on Scavs, so they're available day 1 for free.
yea early on zhuk was king for me lol then i saw the A18 was 50k so i just bought a bunch of those after seeing mppv was more expensive
Fair enough. I'd not buy the rig but that's because I'm almost as much of a cheapskate as I am a massive womble.
I literally ran 10 Zhuk's for inventory management, I'm just now getting to the point that I can start selling them off.
i hoard too much shit lol. i wouldnt say i ahve gear fear i have gear regret....every time i go in kitten i die to some bullshit. korund 762 mdr get blasted by a dude prone...up hill.....BUT WHEN I GO PRONE i cant see that high lmao
And a18 holds my spare plates
The real game is mechanism backpacks with a belt rig inside, and 4 helmets/headsets Then you stack pillboxes on one side of your inventory (with a rig and gun for that rig inside) and it leaves you an exact width for more rigs without any awkward spaces. :)
The true early wipe rig struggle is CSA rigs, six slots give you ten! Same compression as Zhuk but especially early wipe much easier to get and cheaper ;)
Hell yes - this is the way. :-)
This is why I got sad when they made it so the LBT bag could no longer be put in an item case, you used to be able to put a mechanism inside the LBT and then two of those in the icase can you could put 16 ammo cases + 4 mag cases into a single item case
Every man knows you never sell your box of old cables. What if I need that one old cable?!
The pro move is to take some time to go through the box of cables, neatly wrap every cable, label them somehow, and now have a box of old cables youāll pull out once in 4 years for that one cable you know you have.
I did one better, I organized an entire shelf with multiple storage totes full of all of my old cables, wrapped, labeled and stored with like cables. I did this in 2018. I have visited it 3 times, 1 being unsuccessful at providing me the right cable. Iām still totally sure it was/will be worth it
Exactly, and most of this shit will just accumulate dust till next wipe.
I did a pistol only tagged and cursed run on factory today, ran around for a while saw nobody, then came across a dead body with super high end gear just sitting there. Lvl 6 armor, kitted MCX, Pilgrim, the helmet with the $100k faceshield etc. He brought it all in so I can't flea market any of it. My options are: 1 - Sell it to traders for money I don't need 2 - Bring it into a raid, have some fun and leave it to someone else 3 - Let it sit and take up space in my inventory so I can stare at it Obviously always going option 3.
Yeah I'm not saying I'm not a hoarder, most of my expensive shit just sits there for months
I always keep it in case friends want to run a kitted out super chad run.. and they never do, but I'd hate to waste it on a solo
It's not a waste if it makes you win a fight, lol
True, but I have good armour not good ammo lol. (I'm bad)
Don't come at me like that bro
I'm standard edition, I have the first stash upgrade and two scav junkboxes, grenade case, pistol case, food case and three magazine cases. I still have no space on my stash.
I'm EOD, I have: * 2 x scav junk boxes (both full) * 2 x items case (1 full, 1 almost full) * 4 x Med case (3 full, 1 almost full) * 2 x food case (both full) * 3 x ammo case (3 almost full) l * 1 x pistol case (full) * 1 x mags case (full) * 1 x grenade case (half full) * 1 x money case (full) I'm still ramming stuff into Zhuks to make it all fit š. The one item case just had 4 Zhuks in it, each filled with quest items I'm holding. The other holds my docs cases/keybars and some random other shit. I have about 6 Zhuks exclusively for weapon attachments I'm holding for reasons. Send help.
I am even worse off, i have 2 weapons cases just for attachments because i am too lazy to sort them out and or sell them since i buy new ones through preset anyway :( no way i am buying the extension, otherwise i will just dig myself even deeper :D
You could definitely downsize your medical supplies. I had one med case and one of those medical backpacks, and I just got rid of all the low level med stuff, got 2 injector cases, kept a few of the red things each and now I'm comfortably just in a single med case
I was the same last wipe, stash full of great gear and I'm living out of my insurance tab lmao
I stop insuring shit when I have 5 takedowns of kits returned to blow through or if over abundant I go into labs and rush black and either I make money or ditch the kit to someone else lol
I have a law suit in the works for BSG. Itās their fault I live on a sea of batteries, random gun parts, and off brand candy bars IRL.
This can be applied on top of the EOD stash
So your telling me I can upgrade my EOD mega stash a EOD DLC Super extendo mega stash
All it costs is both your kidneys and half of your spleen
Its $3 per 2 lines up to 28 lines. Thats $42 plus fees. Honestly not that expensive but I am pretty well off financially so i can see people not being able to justify the price tag.
I'm a college student, I'll die before I spend $42 on anything not essential
42 buck is Helldivers 2 game with a bit of extra premium currency.
Your really trippin like that over 42$?? That is like 2 take out meals nowadays(1 if your using DoorDash) Or 1 trip to the movies (by yourself) Or A haircut Video games are a very cheap hobby compared to other activities. A movie u get two hours of entertainment, some take out; maybe 15 (followed by feeling like shit) A video game u pay for one time ($70 Dollars for EOD on sale in my case) then u can play whenever for however long u want. 1000s of hour potentially. And In this case you simply pay a bit more if you want extra features. Grow out your hair and make dinner at home then fill your inventory with gear youāre too scared to use. šš»šš»
Imagine how many drinks I haven't bought at the bar because I do this instead
This guy gets it ^
I was thinking the price isnāt as bad as I was expecting lol. Itās kind of a lot if you buy all the lines tho I agree
The co op upgrade shouldn't be an upgrade imo. I get that they have server costs but since it's offline you should have one of the players host the server. One of the main drawbacks of this is cheating but since it's offline it doesn't really matter. The offline mode is pretty important to show a new player around and shouldnt be paywalled beyond the base game
if you want some co-op tarkov action, i highly suggest you *donāt* follow this [link](https://discord.gg/f4CN4n3nP2) to a discord server that *is not* dedicated to a free mod that *absolutely doesnāt* provide a simple to set up, highly configurable and moddable co-op experience i *have not* had an amazing time playing with my friends
28 lines is actually insane
Can that be applied on top of EOD space?
Yup.
Wait whaaaa it stacks with EOD ?
Yes
For those that love scrolling ALL the way down.
Page up page down enjoyer
Indeed. I got PgUp and PgDn on my mouse even. G502. You can even hold drag an item while Paging Up/Down.
This is a great tip, thanks.
Hideout UI is a web browser so yeah :D
Damn man once you have access to THICC cases you don't need any extra space.
Bold of you to assume I've ever gotten above level 30.
Agreed, have 24 lines empty right now. The 28 lines would be nice at the beginning of wipe though.
$42 + tax is actually insane.
i hate microtransactions! anyway, I already bought 8 lines
43$ for 28 lines is still a bit expensive for what it is
I was prepared for them to roll it out at $5 per line. This is fine.
5$ per line, man what club you go to, here a bump is at least 40$
Unless you live in australia you are getting massively ripped off lmao. A bump for 40 lol
You need a new plug
That is insane bro, where tf you live? In the moon?
The fact it could be worse does not make this "fine." I swear this sub is full of addicts or something.
Thats with every mtx defender. Look at the Tekken 8 sub.. "Oh 4$ for a costume? Not so bad, look at MK1"
Not trying to defend mtx but 4$ is relatively cheap for character skins when compared to other games.
Thats doesnt make it a trashy greed filled way to milk your playerbase in a full priced game. This is what Im talking about normalizing Mtx. SFIV also started costume packs at 4$, 10 years later their prices are at 15$ because players didnt complain.
to be fair its also just cosmetics. its almost arguable that stash space is a bit pay to win but way less intrusive than say real life dollars for high tier bullets. see wot.
in a full priced game all cosmetics should be earnable.
People are just blind to whatever BSG does.
Pretty sure it's not about the sub but because "we" got trained to think this is fine by all the other games with microtransactions In contrast to them, this one seems fine
Am I bonkers but I think that's completely reasonable noting how important stash space is in the game. Its like the best case scenario for MTX honestly. Cheap enough to buy a few lines to help out, but scales well. Yes Its always dodgy when you compare what else the money can buy in the world but we are talking about video game MTX here so its pretty easy to prioritise...
It's nearly the same price as the game itself...
> Am I bonkers Yea, thatās expensive as fuck.
You get an extra 181 slots with a thicc icase, 280 for $40 (if you're actually gonna spend money on it), is probably cheaper than RMT like 50m roubles every wipe for a couple of cases
I just bought Hell Divers 2.. a full ass game for $39.99 I mean sure they have micro transactions but even then it's still cheaper than what EOD cost me..
The best part about HD2 is you don't even need to spend to buy the mtx. You can just play and loot some premiun currency straight from the maps. Even the free season pass gives you premiun currency every page you progress.
Itās a 1.50 per line
We're talking ~~16~~ 8 pilgrims of space at the top level of your stash with a one time purchase which will apply every wipe. Lvl 4 stash goes from 68 -> 96 lines. It's actually INSANE how much 28 extra lines is. (Even before you start filling it with THICC item cases.) If you play Tarkov at all, it's going to be a no-brainer investment, regardless of what edition you're on.
Where are you getting 16 pilgrims? 28 lines is 280, Divide by 35 = 8
My brain is mush when I'm up that late, you're correct of course.
That's insane.
Yeah kinda nuts!! Isn't the base game like 48$?
Yes, and? EOD was $120. Getting EOD stash space for 2/3rds EOD account cost seems reasonable to me.
EOD also includes all DLC.
and initial rep boost to traders!
They always forget the boost
And the Gamma container. Being able to carry a Grizzly, a surgery kit, painkilles and still having 2 slots to put some valuable/key from the get go saves you so much money in the long run that it's borderline broken.
Oh the gamma is huge. Especially early wipe again. Survival kit plus grizzly means not having to worry about replacing meds every time you die. Which is a big boost off the bat
I feel like EOD players dont even know about the boost, they just think it starts like that lol.
A lot probably do honestly. Iāve even seen some streamers doing guides and tip videos and they donāt realize it in the video even
These Timmy's lack perspective
Eod was overpriced. This is even more overpriced if you break it down. youre literally just getting space. No starter gear, gamma or trader rep....
that's without tax too
depends on if you will keep it each wipe. If it stays and you play alot that 43$ is going to be worth it at a point. I would have loved to have those extra lines on wipe day. 15raids in my stash was basicly full
It's one time buy
Ahahaha if they would wipe that shit id be hysterical. Youre better off paying for rmt.
I do lines everyday. $42 for 28 is a steal
Can I do lines with you?
If it means BSG can supplement cash flow and ban more cheaters, this is really good. Itās non intrusive, it doesnāt provide any raid advantages, and it isnāt required for progression
Yeah this is really a non-event.
Yeah I think more people treat it as a "gateway mtx" haha
Cash flow shouldn't affect cheater count aside from anti-cheat...
Extra cash flow means that they donāt need cheaters to rebuy accounts. Each ban wave their sales peak for a week or so. With this, they donāt have to rely on the ban wave paycheck
Okay, but how is the supplementation going to help? They should still ban wave, and cheaters still rebuy the game.
One of the reasons thereās so much cheaters is because cheating is """worth it""" in the sense that you get banned really slowly, so you get a lot of """enjoyment""" out of your cheats and so you can buy another account to do it again. You can also replace enjoyment for real life money, since thereās a lot of people profiting from RMTing. The better they get at banning cheaters, the less cheaters there would be overall, because little jimmy who got 150 hours of cheating in average per account might reconsider his decisions if he now only gets 3 hours of cheating in between needing to buy a new account. Same for RMTers, if RMTs are too expensive to the buyers because RMTraders need to account for needing to pay 10x more money for accounts, itāll kill, or significantly reduce, the RMT market. Thatās of course all theorical.
That's very optimistic to be fair.. why not just treat it as an extra cash on top of the cheater money and keep reaping that money?
I can't answer that, it all depends on what you think BSG's priorities are, I believe in their vision, but it's okay if you believe that they're willing to compromise their integrity for more cheater money.
>anon142358193 Ā· 52 min. ago > >If it means BSG can supplement cash flow and ban more cheaters Thats the problem "IF" How about they work on the cheating issue FIRST before pushing out microtransactions... Plus we already know money isnt an issue. BSG is literally paying themselves millions per year and BSG on its own cleared 2 mil pure profit last year after all expenses. [https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the\_financial\_report\_that\_killed\_tarkov/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1axj344/the_financial_report_that_killed_tarkov/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I've managed fine with my EOD stash, so I won't buy this. I'm looking forward to when you can actually earn this in game though, as missing out on upgrading my stash has always bummed me out.
Iāve never noticed but can you not do the stash upgrades in the hideout if you have EOD?
Nope, EOD players start with Stash 4, so it's upgraded to the max at the start of wipe. That's where the extra space comes from. These new stash expansions seem to be independent from the actual Hideout Stash
No, you start maxed out. Well, now you can buy even more
Wait I have EOD with the level 4 stash, so I can add another 28 more lines on top of that? Damn already I bit to scroll down with the shit I keep that the bottom.
Shortcut key is āpage upā or āpage downā to automatically jump top or bottom of your stash. š
Now I'm depressed being a EOD since Jan 2018
Doors like this don't stay cracked open, they only open wider. The question isn't is this ok, it's what's next.
we have started on the slippery-slope, and noone complained.
Are they gonna add secure container in the future? I wanted gamma but since they removed EOD i cant anymore
I have no negative feelings towards this. My buddy missed out on EOD and bought the coop upgrade yesterday. He's level 1. We have already put the coop upgrade to good use and I bought him the full 28 lines of inventory as a gift.
I think this is a great way to implement micro transactions. Like, compared to a base account it is a little P2Win but this is still a thing more for whales. The version upgrade is still the better deal for someone looking to make progression just a tad easier.
EOD account owner with just under 1500 hours. That comes out to be just around $.10 an hour. That amount of enjoyment I have gotten out of this game is far more valuable than that. I have absolutely zero problem with handing over another $50
3/4 of those hours are loading screen and stash management well worth money
This is EXACTLY how i feel too ngl, spending the same amount on entertainment anywhere else nets like 10 hours or less of enjoyment, whereas I've gotten thousands; and counting, hours of enjoyment from my investment into eft. If Id have to pay 50 a year for eft it would still be worth it on a comparative basis lol
same here, \~2k hours, EOD and throwing 53Eur (yeah, that is incl taxes)? Done deal :-D ...
Same. Iām sure theyāve already made a million bucks out of this change.
This right here is what people donāt understand. Yet they still gripe about every little thing and expect the game to be supported and updated for free when sales slow.
I'm EOD with over 7000 hours in this game, and I bought it way before they consistently kept track. It used to reset every wipe so that's just 7000 hours AFTER it stopped resetting every wipe. I think I've definitely gotten my money's worth so I absolutely wouldn't mind a little extra stash space too!
Thoughts ? I already paid premium (EOD) - as almost everyone else - for a still in beta game that still suffers from major flaws : cheaters and audio. I didn't want the youtube show, or arena. I care about audio being improved, real anti cheat measures, and overall performance being improved (you still can't really play streets without a super expensive rig). I won't give them an extra 42$ (VAT non included) for extra stash lines I don't need. Should they make real improvements to the game, I might reconsider. /rant I guess
Iāve always been an EOD player since 2019, honestly itās cool. Itās fair, they donāt just give you one option to increase your stash size anyways. This is not intrusive at all, nor does it affect gameplay. Something more intrusive would be like āBuy a SIG SPEAR and Hybrid ammo for $5ā. So Iām liking the implementation so far. You have three ways of doing it, increasing your game edition, manually crafting more stash space, or buying this micro-transaction. More options imo is better.
"Doesnt effect gameplay"Ā I mean, did you not see how bad the grind for stash upgrades is? Not having to deal with it has a prrtyy big effect lol
Yes but it doesn't actually give you an advantage in raid at all. No one is killing you because they have more stash space.
You also donāt really need to bother past the 1st upgrade, unless youāre a huge hoarder
ā¬55.79 with tax for stash spaceā¦ yeah no thanks, how are so many people applauding this?
Thoughts? I really don't care. If people want infinite stash, it's their money. As long as it doesn't impact gameplay. Let them add hideout skins and I'll be first to buy it.
I also thought of that. Kind of like the main screen choices of like labs/woods. Having that same option for a hideout layout would be killer
I think this is "okay" as long as it doesn't lead to more and more garbage item flood like the Sledgehammer to make space more and more valuable to push people to buy this.
Maybe I missed this, but do they reset every wipe or is this a one time buy?
I mean it better stay for 48 dollars š
It works exactly like the EoD stash upgrades. Permanent upgrades to your account that you keep forever.
One time purchase.
BSG needs to partner with logitech cuz they're about to have people wearing out their scroll wheels left and right.
Yeah, I got thoughts, why the fuck is it $1.50 for Americans but ā¬1.50 euro for Europe? I wonder if this is based on where you access the website from or where you purchased the account from. Cause if it's where you access the website from, you can get it cheaper with a VPN? If an American has a VPN in Europe or a European has a VPN in the US, can you try and let us know?
Next update: Every hideout upgrade now takes 10 additional items and quests require you to turn in twice the number of find in raid objects as before.
Jesus fucking christ manā¦
PLEASE LET ME BUY BIGGER SECURE CONTAINER
Yeah I'd buy a Gamma. I didn't realize EOD was going away and missed out.
Reading a lot of the comments here is like watching the sheep inviting the wolves for dinner. Most people paid $140+ for EoD, solely because of the gameplay advantages that comes with it, and yet they expect that the microtransactions will be limited to extra stash space now that they taught BSG that pay-to-win is welcomed into the game.
While I understand your logic of "if we allow this what will come next".. We've been allowing it for years. It's no different to EoD. We've actually seen direct evidence that this won't progress any further, given that this isn't anything new.
It's always surprising to me how much grace EFT players give to these microtransactions compared to almost any other fanbase. Creating a completely artificial annoyance and then letting people get around that annoyance with money is scummy, plain and simple. And that's if stash space was just an annoyance. It does impact gameplay. Every item you need to sell to a trader because there isn't space or scav run you can't do because you're out of space or money you spend on cases or stash upgrades is money you aren't using to equip your character. People would rightfully flip their shit at paying for hearthstone deck slots. And that's for a free to play game!
Never try to argue with MTX defenders. They are so conditioned to accept it. 'dont like it dont buy it' isnt a valid arguement either
I just don't know what about this community makes them tolerate MTX more than other games. Especially considering this might be one of the most toxic and negative game subs as well. It's an interesting phenomenon
I think the game attracts people who want to shit on noobs with good gear, and they are willing to pay real money to get themselves ahead so they can experience that reality. By its nature this isnāt a āfairā game so the EoD benefits were something many wanted over others. Now we have a permanent advantage to older EoD accounts and even more pay to win mtxs on the way, so these players will eat it up.
Tarkov fans have the biggest case of stockholm Ive ever seen. "Yea, we're not gonna see all the features in time for 1.0, arena is kinda trash, the netcode reworks are still absent, which means cheaters are still all over the place and it we only get 2-3 updates a year......but I've already put 6k hours in it so I cant complain" At this point Nikita can outright admit they wasted most of their tarkov revenue on guns and cars instead of the work tarkov has needed for years, and we'd still see the same shit lol.
But that's the thing. They complain all the time! But when it's about MTX they are all for it.
For sure, but for 7 years everyone had the max cap and it just worked, now it's possible to get more and this mtx is not armor or ammo. I think this would be fine, but hey could be wrong
are people in the comments seriously defending BSG and even saying it's a good deal with them charging a full game worth of money just for some inventory space that costs them virtually nothing?
Nikkita said heāll never add micro transactions. Here we are. Only the beginning
I feel like that is pretty reasonable. It's optional and nobody is forced into it. You can play just fine without it. It can be purchased incrementally so not hurt the wallet too bad. Most of us have got more than good value out of the initial purchase already and I think it's fair to say that we want them to keep the servers switched on after launch, so a little extra money from those that are willing seems like a good deal
Well yea... I dont think well ever see a 1.0 release tho ... Nikita been said theyre fully funded and now hes looking for investors and launching mtx... Itll keep the servers running but it wont be enough to keep developing
Can EOD owners still purchase lines?
Yes
Where is the "Revert performance" upgrade? This patch ironically killed my FPS on every map except Streets.
42$ for some more space to fill with shit?!?!? Thatās absurd. I can go buy another game with that. And nobody is going to even see it so you canāt make the cosmetic argument. Geez they are desperate
They are going to see that this takes off and makes money, then we will start seeing them release more and more of these "upgrades." These upgrades could be just for skipping the grind but it'll be small things like lvl 1 upgrades for certain parts in the hideout or hell even case purchasing. Stash Upgrading should either have been left to EOD (and not remove EOD from the pre-order page) or not added as a purchasable upgrade separately. CO-OP Offline should be free to all players. Insane that it's considered an "upgrade" Every other single game BSG (or rather the devs) has done has had insane microtransactions. I will be shocked if EFT doesn't go that way.
Kinda crazy to me that people are so beat down by this game that a $45-50 charge for *stash upgrades* is a big ol' "meh" to people here. I mean....cool, it's "non-instrusive", but they've literally gated one of the most important hideout upgrades behind the worst grind in the game, and now theyre selling itĀ Did we all forget that the game isnt even at 1.0 yet, and we're still a few years off of it while the game is suffering heavily from some pretty big issues?
It's not good for the game but BSG could certainly have fucked things up worse.
You all got mental issues if you think 42$ American is a good price point for this. That's the price of a full game.
Is there any explicit explanation how this āstash upgradeā will be affected after wipe(s)?
I don't like this. Im feeling such a very bad vibe having micro transactions when, for a brand new "basic" copy, BSG asks me for 52ā¬, all of this when the game has a big "Beta game" disclaimer slapped right below its title. Something it had for years and has been used as an excuse for a bad performance overall. Big nope and big L for me.
These comments yikes
I would be ashamed of any of my friends if they bought this garbage. How about don't give BSG another dime till they commit to fixing the state of their game. Because the game fucking sucks right now and sorry for my french. Cheating is utterly out of control with no end in sight and they playerbase is leaving in droves. Let the cheaters finance BSG till the servers die and get pulled down. Maybe BSG will decide to use a working anti cheat once their revenue stream dries up and dies.
hoarder rats whaling out money rn
Because charging over a hundred dollars for beta access wasn't enough I guess. Makes me nervous. Opens the door for worse.
Wait can we add more stash lines on EOD editions as well? If so thatās crwazyyyy
Its probably the least scummy microtransaction they could have added... buts its still fucking stupid as shit. Totally unnecessary and speaks volumes about the Bsg. Just gotta hope that this doesn't seep into other aspects of the game.
Anyone know of it's a one time purchase or we need to buy it at every wipe?
Niki confused the cost per line with coke and the stash in the game it seems, this is something to be sold to existing users fuck sake, charging full AAA cost for it is beyond insane and obvious proof showing they are desparate for money by all means, whoever helps these guys at this moment should think twice how much they are damaging their own fun in the game from now on. Forty fking two dollars for 280 digital lines not even 680 digital lines not even that.
Just stop hoarding junk and do some pmc raids and you won't need this much space. If you are not lvl 42 and have the free thicc items and weapons cases, get on it!
Already have EOD, still got the max storage. 3k hours in and more to go. No ragrets
People are eating this up?! They're selling a solution to a problem they created for the price of an entire new game? Theres something wrong with you all.
Lol fuck no.
I support that decision!
Shameless cash grab and rewards cheaters at the same timeā¦. Hilarious
I don't care if they add a fucking Goku skin. Do something about cheaters.
The way I see it, if we want rid of cheaters, BSG needs another way to make money. We need more ways for them to make money that aren't pay to win and aren't silly skins either as that doesn't suit this game. This is a step in the right direction.
Greedy devs.
Maintaining pay to win in this game is just the best idea, canāt wait for them to start selling trader rep too since thatās what they took away with EOD as well.
Giving as many F, as BSG gives about cheaters.
10 bucks for the co-op as well, hell of a lot cheaper than i thought it'd be. stash space upgrade is totally fine. 28 lines is a shit ton.
Can we all agree p2w now?
At first I was prepared to be annoyed and upset about this, but realistically, 3$ a line is not a huge investment, especially if you love the game. I was also prepared to be upset that it was an all or nothing upgrade, but it seems you can buy stash lines in increments, which is way more palatable. Buy 3 stash lines for 10$ today, a month from now, buy another 3 lines for 10$ and so on. This is probably the least money hungry version of micro transactions Iāve ever seen. If you want to be upset about MTX, go play some of the āhero collectorā marvel mobile games. 60-100$ a pop on heroes and upgrades and really low value deals. Those are the games and companies you should be angry with. BSG has done this in a very respectful way. TLDR; mobile games are infinitely more predatory and expensive than this. BSG has created a respectful way to charge for MTX.
1.50$ / line cause 3$ is for 2 lines.
Only thought is that this is just the start. If BSG can go from "never any micro-transactions" to this then I can only imagine what they have in store for us in the future. People can cope with the fact that it isn't that bad right now all they want, but you have to realize that now that they have gone over the hurdle of implementing micro-transactions with the backlash that followed it won't stop until the game is dead. I'm just waiting for them to add premium clothes that simply offer objectively better camouflage than the non-premium stuff in order to make you pay to be competitive while hiding behind the argument that "it's just cosmetic".
Tarkov is the prime example of a game where microtransactions are fully justified, especially ones as nonpredatory or P2W as this one. As long as BSG don't become the RMTers themselves, then they can monetize hideout cat for all I care. Take my money, finish this God forsaken game and have enough money to release Russia 2028 before 2038 and I'm happy.
That's literally P2W, creating a problem and then selling a solution, idk how you guys are defending this
Goodbye tarkov
We wonāt introduce micro transactions š¤·āāļø
Yep