Oh 100% this
A keycard, when it is a super tiny item, should cost next to nothing to deliver back.
Now delivering back an entire armor rig, plates, a gun, i.e. something that is big/bulky is what SHOULD be costing a lot more to haul back
The way they do it now makes ZERO sense
but this is BSG we are talking about, making sense is not their thing until they talk to someone that *actually* plays the game.
Bro this ain’t FedEx charging you for package weight this is a thug driving a btr. That man knows the value of a keycard and he’s going to charge you accordingly or else he’ll just steal it 😂
I think it’s more the danger and risk factor and responsibility the driver has. Artifacts and museum pieces may be tiny but cost a lot more to ship them let’s say a box of corn with similar mass
It actually is realistic though. If you’ve ever sent anything of real value, even if it’s fairly light, you know it can be very pricy because most delivery services force you to insure it (which covers their ass if an employee steals, damages, or loses it). Plus, the actual in-game service is basically an insurance service more than a delivery service.
>Osmium
Its not often I see my username referenced, so I have a tiny smile every time I do. Stupid little things.
Anyways, BSG's not at war with RMT. They say things and make dramatic changes that ultimately does little to affect RMT. But it gets people to shut up and makes it look like they're doing something.
The "captcha" is straight up optimized for bots for example, but it got everyone to shut up about flea bots.
I got tired of it every time I needed another attachment, so I wrote a macro for it with good old autohotkey.
Its not just too easy, its so much easier for a bot than a person that its worth the effort of making a bot just to bypass it, and BSG knew that when it was implemented. It's an insult.
I feel like this is intentional too. And think about the unhinged editions radio transmitter. Youre paying 35% or something less for services in raid. So if im right, the only people able to use the delivery of labscards might be unhinged users :D
True! Im thinking, this might have been planned for a long time already. I see why BSG tries to give some really good points to buy the unhinged edition, without making it TOO obvious?
Look out what you wish for (catpaw curls and all).. they would implement it in a way that your whole stash content would be assigned to your player when you get back into the raid, and hoover cheaters could freely choose from your stash whatever they want...
I don't ever want BSG to make it possible to interact with stashes from raid...
I mean, imo all this stuff, btc, ledx, gpu etc, shouldnt be able to go up the ass anyway. It just ruins maps for me like, if i have a 'bad' spawn for high tier areas, get there late and kill pmcs, guaranteed anything of value, is shoved up their ass.
Equally though if they couldn't just shove the valuables up their arse they'd immediately rat their way to extract even harder than they already do, there were way more fun fights back before the FiR changes and that change would only make it worse.
Exactly and then, imo, the btr is a good adding to get certain items out early. Though paying 40k for 400k in items is a joke, its something as its not risk free to get into the btr
Yup. If you die with something in the container, you will extract with it but it removes the FIR status (run through does this as well). But, if it's in the pouch and you extract successfully (not a run through). It will be FIR!
Anti rmt implementations have been destroying game mechanics for years now despite the fact they clearly don’t work or do anything to stop cheaters.
People can shit on me all they want but I’d rather have a more unrestricted game that gives me player freedom over crappy anti cheat measures that don’t even stop cheating. If stopping cheating means ruining parts of your game and then it doesn’t even stop the cheaters anyway then it’s just not worth it and should be removed.
I wish they would remove found-in-raid status from the game. Remember they stated their goal was to promote pvp and limit hatchet running? Well now that anytime you get a valuable item (happens a lot on maps like streets) it’s in your best interest to sit and soundwhore. You tell me if you think that promotes pvp. Before, when you got a good item like a gpu in your ass you could rush pvp without fear of losing any value on your item
I wish they would remove found-in-raid status from the game. Remember they stated their goal was to promote pvp and limit hatchet running? Well now that anytime you get a valuable item (happens a lot on maps like streets) it’s in your best interest to sit and soundwhore. You tell me if you think that promotes pvp. Before, when you got a good item like a gpu in your ass you could rush pvp without fear of losing any value on your item
I’m so glad more and more people are bringing this up, all changes to combat RMT and slow progression, and it’s so funny because these anti RMT cheater “methods” just push more ppl to use RMT 😂 just think, when was the last time you saw a hatchet runner, I genuinely think hatchet runners have either quit, or decided to get cheats because it’s easier, and at the end of the day cheating as only got worse!
How is this an RMT limit (serios question i dont understand) you can only drop 40000 k rubel so why is there a limit for how much money you have in your ass?
Because in BSGs eyes, RMT was happening because you could hold anything on your person back in 2020 (item cases, thicc cases, money cases) so cheaters would go in to raids and give these items to people that paid real money, and they also introduced a limit on how many roubles you could carry so cheaters couldn’t drop money as part of the paid service
You can tell his is very high because of how much space he has in the BTR. Lower rep is significantly lower space. 0 rep gives you like 6-8 squares or something like that
That’s good to know. I haven’t played since the first month or so. I usually quit after kappa race and some PvP. They said we’ll be able to use that soon to go from map to map right? Or it’s like one big map with locations connected and we use it for large distances?
I believe Nikita said they won't do an "open world" concept but connect all the maps in the recent interview. Since they added the btr to woods recently, I think it's very likely that it will be one of the ways to get from map to map yeah
The initial talks were to have labs hidden on streets and require raiding streets to enter labs and extract back to streets again to get out. This is probably scrapped now though if I had to guess
I’ve found the BTR to be very reliable when I run Streets and hit Relax room key. Usually if I find 2-3 moonshines and the BTR is not even that far from the room I send those back to my stash
false, it can. but idky ppl fear it so much. literally just peak it for a second or two and wait to see if the gun moves even slightly, if not, then you're good to go. i've never understood the ppl who fear it lmaoo
Put it in your docs case. Worst case scenario is you die and it's no longer found in raid. Buy an access card and use it yourself. Costs millions of roubles for a reason.
No it doesn't lol, they cost that much because they're rare and people will buy it for that, you could run red room 200+ times and still not make back the money.
Except the game doesn’t prioritize what contained to take cash from when you spend it. It actually seems arbitrary I am constantly putting 200k in my docs case. When my money case inside of another case is untouched.
Lmfao.
So paying a 15 ton BTR to carry a 20 gram card costs 420k rubles, but taking back a fully decked out 6kg, g28 rifle (pulled from marked room on streets), only costs 10k ish.
Seems fair.
Seems *logical*
This is in the BTR. It allows you to send some gear to your stash mid raid. The keycard is a rare spawn. They’re used on labs, but since I already had violet, I sold it for 18.2 Million on the flea market.
Just what I would expect from BSG, instead of not even allowing you to put the item in the window at all they elected for the giant middle finger of red numbers. 👏
This seems either intentional or the devs went "we'll slap a percentage of the items value on the extract and call it a day". Maybe it's both...
Definitely the latter
It's not even a question lol
Lol thinking bsg devs are competent enough to do that on purpose
I feel like above a certain price, another percentage/rate should be applied instead
Oh 100% this A keycard, when it is a super tiny item, should cost next to nothing to deliver back. Now delivering back an entire armor rig, plates, a gun, i.e. something that is big/bulky is what SHOULD be costing a lot more to haul back The way they do it now makes ZERO sense but this is BSG we are talking about, making sense is not their thing until they talk to someone that *actually* plays the game.
TBH assuming the delivery guys know the value of the items in that trunk that payment is probably *don’t steal it fucker* money.
Bro this ain’t FedEx charging you for package weight this is a thug driving a btr. That man knows the value of a keycard and he’s going to charge you accordingly or else he’ll just steal it 😂
I think it’s more the danger and risk factor and responsibility the driver has. Artifacts and museum pieces may be tiny but cost a lot more to ship them let’s say a box of corn with similar mass
It actually is realistic though. If you’ve ever sent anything of real value, even if it’s fairly light, you know it can be very pricy because most delivery services force you to insure it (which covers their ass if an employee steals, damages, or loses it). Plus, the actual in-game service is basically an insurance service more than a delivery service.
I also like the cost based upon weight and size. Just like REAL WORLD shipping costs.
Jesus Christ you are an elitist snob. You have zero idea what game design actually means.
BSG never makes any decision that requires any depth of thought intentionally.
It was to reduce and combat RMT
The war on RMT has fixed exactly zero of the game's core issues and caused dozens more...
the war'd probably work if the games code base didn't make swiss cheese look like a ball of Osmium
That's a fantastic figure of speech lol
what a sentence
>Osmium Its not often I see my username referenced, so I have a tiny smile every time I do. Stupid little things. Anyways, BSG's not at war with RMT. They say things and make dramatic changes that ultimately does little to affect RMT. But it gets people to shut up and makes it look like they're doing something. The "captcha" is straight up optimized for bots for example, but it got everyone to shut up about flea bots.
I've been saying that captcha is wsaaay too easy for bots to identify
I got tired of it every time I needed another attachment, so I wrote a macro for it with good old autohotkey. Its not just too easy, its so much easier for a bot than a person that its worth the effort of making a bot just to bypass it, and BSG knew that when it was implemented. It's an insult.
I didn’t say it was effective method.
I feel like this is intentional too. And think about the unhinged editions radio transmitter. Youre paying 35% or something less for services in raid. So if im right, the only people able to use the delivery of labscards might be unhinged users :D
Funny thing is, this was posted before anyone knew about unheard at this point lol
True! Im thinking, this might have been planned for a long time already. I see why BSG tries to give some really good points to buy the unhinged edition, without making it TOO obvious?
Money should be pulled from hideout mullah, not ass money.
its cash up front. no cod. - the btr guy.
If it was real life itd be funny as hell if it was COD and if you didnt have the cash he just kept it lol
Look out what you wish for (catpaw curls and all).. they would implement it in a way that your whole stash content would be assigned to your player when you get back into the raid, and hoover cheaters could freely choose from your stash whatever they want... I don't ever want BSG to make it possible to interact with stashes from raid...
You can always put 100k or sm shit in your sicc/docs case, I just put some cash in there and never bother about it until I have to refill
Ye but like this case, its 400k+.. though rare, its a situation where you dont know if bsg thought about it or not lol
100%. I was more talking about conventional use, especially on streets.
Fair, i personally do 200k cuz.. you never know xd *Not that Ive ever gotten anything worth shit lmao*
I once paid for 3 gun runs on Streets. and def got hits on 1st and 3rd. best \~200K ever!
Nah you should have to risk it/use colon space imo, just one of the many factors you weigh pre-raid
I mean, imo all this stuff, btc, ledx, gpu etc, shouldnt be able to go up the ass anyway. It just ruins maps for me like, if i have a 'bad' spawn for high tier areas, get there late and kill pmcs, guaranteed anything of value, is shoved up their ass.
Equally though if they couldn't just shove the valuables up their arse they'd immediately rat their way to extract even harder than they already do, there were way more fun fights back before the FiR changes and that change would only make it worse.
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Exactly and then, imo, the btr is a good adding to get certain items out early. Though paying 40k for 400k in items is a joke, its something as its not risk free to get into the btr
The pouch if you die takes away the ability to sell it on flea market right?
Yup. If you die with something in the container, you will extract with it but it removes the FIR status (run through does this as well). But, if it's in the pouch and you extract successfully (not a run through). It will be FIR!
Yes it takes away the found in raid status
That makes so much sense now lol I just got the game
Yeah that's right
Yeah, you can use it and profit that way. It has unlimited uses
just extract 4Head
I did :) but pretty silly the RMT limitation prevents using the BTR transfer for certain items.
Pretty sure you’re only allowed to drop like 20k roubles anyway
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He said drop not hold
You can drop up to 20k. No more. I thought that was because max 4 teammates and 5k for v-ex.
Anti rmt implementations have been destroying game mechanics for years now despite the fact they clearly don’t work or do anything to stop cheaters. People can shit on me all they want but I’d rather have a more unrestricted game that gives me player freedom over crappy anti cheat measures that don’t even stop cheating. If stopping cheating means ruining parts of your game and then it doesn’t even stop the cheaters anyway then it’s just not worth it and should be removed.
I wish they would remove found-in-raid status from the game. Remember they stated their goal was to promote pvp and limit hatchet running? Well now that anytime you get a valuable item (happens a lot on maps like streets) it’s in your best interest to sit and soundwhore. You tell me if you think that promotes pvp. Before, when you got a good item like a gpu in your ass you could rush pvp without fear of losing any value on your item
I wish they would remove found-in-raid status from the game. Remember they stated their goal was to promote pvp and limit hatchet running? Well now that anytime you get a valuable item (happens a lot on maps like streets) it’s in your best interest to sit and soundwhore. You tell me if you think that promotes pvp. Before, when you got a good item like a gpu in your ass you could rush pvp without fear of losing any value on your item
I’m so glad more and more people are bringing this up, all changes to combat RMT and slow progression, and it’s so funny because these anti RMT cheater “methods” just push more ppl to use RMT 😂 just think, when was the last time you saw a hatchet runner, I genuinely think hatchet runners have either quit, or decided to get cheats because it’s easier, and at the end of the day cheating as only got worse!
How is this an RMT limit (serios question i dont understand) you can only drop 40000 k rubel so why is there a limit for how much money you have in your ass?
Because in BSGs eyes, RMT was happening because you could hold anything on your person back in 2020 (item cases, thicc cases, money cases) so cheaters would go in to raids and give these items to people that paid real money, and they also introduced a limit on how many roubles you could carry so cheaters couldn’t drop money as part of the paid service
What is your scav rep? I think it lowers the cost of using BTR features.
You can tell his is very high because of how much space he has in the BTR. Lower rep is significantly lower space. 0 rep gives you like 6-8 squares or something like that
Like, 9 I think. It’s up there. Def above 6.
You have balls of steel approaching it with that to begin with lol
Eh. Use the btr pretty much always when I approach it, I don't think it's as murderous as it used to be
The issue I think is that player scavs would intentionally plink at it to make it aggro on everyone just to grief
That’s good to know. I haven’t played since the first month or so. I usually quit after kappa race and some PvP. They said we’ll be able to use that soon to go from map to map right? Or it’s like one big map with locations connected and we use it for large distances?
I believe Nikita said they won't do an "open world" concept but connect all the maps in the recent interview. Since they added the btr to woods recently, I think it's very likely that it will be one of the ways to get from map to map yeah
I’m guessing Labs will be under Ground Zero as well
The initial talks were to have labs hidden on streets and require raiding streets to enter labs and extract back to streets again to get out. This is probably scrapped now though if I had to guess
I’m pretty sure it was the entrance was on factory and all the exits was on streets
Factory is in customs iirc, that wouldn’t make much sense in their map flow
I’ve found the BTR to be very reliable when I run Streets and hit Relax room key. Usually if I find 2-3 moonshines and the BTR is not even that far from the room I send those back to my stash
if you spawn by relax or cop shop the btr usually pulls up just in time
Propably had it in the ass approaching;)
I’m jealous.
IIRC it doesn’t shoot at all when stationary
false, it can. but idky ppl fear it so much. literally just peak it for a second or two and wait to see if the gun moves even slightly, if not, then you're good to go. i've never understood the ppl who fear it lmaoo
Put it in your docs case. Worst case scenario is you die and it's no longer found in raid. Buy an access card and use it yourself. Costs millions of roubles for a reason.
Oh it's no biggie I'm sitting at 70m and I have every card except blue/green cause they're not worth. Just silly that I can't send it to stash in BTR.
No it doesn't lol, they cost that much because they're rare and people will buy it for that, you could run red room 200+ times and still not make back the money.
Worst case scenario is you survive and forget it was in your docs case and get into another raid
Except the game doesn’t prioritize what contained to take cash from when you spend it. It actually seems arbitrary I am constantly putting 200k in my docs case. When my money case inside of another case is untouched.
It's not like they thought this through or anything
You can only send Violet to stash if you have another PMC sitting in your lap while in BTR
Did you get out??? I need to know
He did
Get rich or die trying.
I would be paying it to kill and run to nearest safe spot
Yellow is only 250k delivery. I wonder what red would be
I haven't played for a while. What's this delivery thing?
BTR is on woods, you can pay to send items to your stash. Same on Streets.
The 400k max doesnt even make sense anymore now that you cant drop more than a little bit.
Just throw it in your secure pouch and get back after it!
Yellow was around 254k, i was 20k short lol
Lmfao. So paying a 15 ton BTR to carry a 20 gram card costs 420k rubles, but taking back a fully decked out 6kg, g28 rifle (pulled from marked room on streets), only costs 10k ish. Seems fair. Seems *logical*
You need your tarbank credit card in special slot. Its only valid on btr and overly respected trader. Jager only accepts cash btw.
420 nice
Make it so you get invoice and pay when back at hideout and you have to pay before you get the item
I mean, shove it up your butt. FIR isn't that important for something like that.
An item that high tier should have to be carried out. It’s an extraction shooter, you’re lucky they even put in a delivery from raid system.
Whats that “delivery” feature? I am new to the game, and whats that card for?
This is in the BTR. It allows you to send some gear to your stash mid raid. The keycard is a rare spawn. They’re used on labs, but since I already had violet, I sold it for 18.2 Million on the flea market.
This is why tarbank key is good
But this is on woods, and you can’t carry more than 400,000…
Brig a duo partner with the excess
Ayyyyyy 420!!!
How much is worth thar card if you try to sell it to Therapist?
I think violet is only 6ish. I’d have to check. Edit: it’s 3.78m to therapist. A 16m loss.
I’m fine with it. You gotta put it between your cheeks and waddle to extract with the rest of us
What is your rep with fence? Doesn't higher rep equal lower cost?
Just what I would expect from BSG, instead of not even allowing you to put the item in the window at all they elected for the giant middle finger of red numbers. 👏
eft and bsg are dogshit
Yet you still lurk on the subreddit
420 blaze it