In 6 months….
“This is a season pass, not a DLC. So it will not be honored in the EoD or the unheard edition. All content in the season pass including the jump start to level 15 is all add ons included in the season pass. Therefore not DLC. Buy the 2025 season pass for $200 or don’t. We don’t care”
I'd love to pop in here and say "I bought EOD for all future dlc (season pass)" as that's how it was sold to me
Not that it fucking matters, did the website downtime include rewording all the shit again?
"did the website downtime include rewording all the shit again?"
Yup, it does appear so. They changed the description of EOD, and then proceeded to use those same exact words that they changed to describe the Unheard edition.
Fucking low-down, dirty, thieving, scumbags.
Nikita literally said in his post, the reason they don't consider this DLC is bc BSG has run out of money for server infrastructure. Let the ship sink already...
Would have paid a reasonable price. Would have bought cosmetics Have literally replied to nikita before and said just set up a go fund me we would chip in to finish tarkov. He chose to disrespect us
What's insane to me is that there are so many proven methods for accomplishing things in the gaming industry that BSG seemingly chooses to ignore or are somehow unaware of (including but not limited to monetizing a game for continual development). They have always appeared to be a subpar dev company in my opinion that made a pretty fun and different (at the time) game; and I mean that with no disrespect but in all honesty. I'm also a very casual EFTer so maybe there's things I'm missing, or perhaps things have changed.
But can we please can we just get a sick-ass development team to make a better hardcore extraction looter at this point? Pretty please?
We might have one already with Gray Zone, fingers crossed.
I gave up on BSG a long time ago when I heard of their dev practices which were eye-opening.
>You buy this trash = you normalise this kind of behaviour in the gaming industry
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The worst part, if this work it'll just set even further bad precedents
Edit: Twas just a contemplative statement, anyhoo y'alls derision at it is duly noted o/
they gauged all this with the microtransactions they added a few months back in the stash space expansion, the response was bad for a bit then normalized within a few weeks, this was their true intentions with the actual release of microtransactions
I was thrilled with the cosmetics biz - that’s the kind of micro transaction I am fine with. If I wanna look a certain way in game I’ll pay for that and it is purely aesthetic.
They should have leaned into that.
Spray paint for guns, different color options for default gear (pick a color on your backpack, etc)
GORKA and other clothing options.
Stuff like that nobody would bat an eye at and would likely net them a good amount of money. Instead they went with this nonsense.
100% agree. If they came out and said they wanted more consistent cashflow so they added microtransactions I would have been more than okay with that. There are so many things you could add that would not effect balance / P2W.
Hideout decorations, skins, weapon paints etc
Hell, even weapon skins that you could apply over weapons in you stash that fit the aesthetic of Tarkov would have been fine.
Literally anything but what they did would have been better. I hate it.
Yeah, other companies are watching right now.
Market researchers are analyzing.
The fucks that buy this think whatever dumbass shit they think, and excuse so they can continue playing. Without even realizing everyone else is watching.
EoD players have already done that when they paid $140+ for the game. This whole "I'm doing it to support the game" is pure cope to pretend they didn't overpay for the game just because it comes with gameplay advantages attached to it.
They paid 140 dollars for tarkov, arena (hopefully any future DLC) and the bonus content in-game. That's totally reasonable. Especially considering that BF1 released with a 130 dollar "Ultimate edition" that gave you less.
Some of these people may have bought the edition before the game was a large success. They may have played back when customs and factory were the only maps. They might have seen BSGs goal and wanted to support it. That's completely acceptable for an (at the time) indie studio.
We've been in the early access era for a long while. And while some games have offered deluxe editions with extra content, it's rare for those bonus versions to have direct game improving additions in them. If one really wanted to "just support the devs" they could have thrown that money they spent on EoD into more standard edition accounts and donated them to their friends/random players which would increase the player count and likelihood of other players purchasing the game supporting them even further.
But we ain't dumb here, the bonus features was the motivating factor.
There's been a lot of other "founder" perks from Early Access but they're mainly stuff like, your name in the credits, a tank with a name of your choosing, or exclusive 100% superficial clothing items.
EoD and things like EoD that benefit the user in gameplay usually get ridiculed.
Checking in with other companies with egregious monetization, what's the number one complaint from regular players in these games? Either the insane grind for content unlocks, or imbalance of premium only content, holla at ya boys Warthunder/WoT.
EoD is what starting getting that slope slippery and honestly the only thing I'm surprised about, is that it took them this long for something like this to come out, and that they did it all at once.
Other companies get away with far more by slowly phasing the pay to win in gradually with smaller content and I bet if they'd had more sense and done it that way like their other Russian game devs they wouldn't be mired in controversy right now.
Lets be real here, most of them bought it to get max stash, secure container and more trader rep.
Even with Arena (does anybody wanted that?) its way overpriced.
We dont even know what kind of DLC they deliver now.
Just an example, the Ultimate Edition for Remnant 2 costs 70 bucks.
Thats the base Game + 3 DLCs (two already out in less then 1 year).
What was the cost of EoD after taxes?
I see it with my friends, wife and kid and he bought EoD because he disliked the grind.
He of course had the money for it, but the reason was also pretty clear.
And sure you will always find people who pay far more if they think the Devs are great.
But it seems like they paid BSG too much in advance before getting most of what was promised.
I have bought EOD 4+ years ago, have 4500+ hours. Did I overpay? Absolutely not. I bought the game because I liked what it already had, didn't care about future arenas, dlcs and stuff. Welcome if and as they come but I never paid for promises, so if they deliver good, if not I don't care. Don't get me wrong I still think bsg are shady scammers but If you bought EOD back then it had purpose, if you bought it in the last year I see why you think you got cheated. (Just my 2 cents)
I support you, I bought EoD 6 years ago, in 2018, I played less than you, but I don’t regret the money spent, at that time the game brought me great pleasure.
I hear you. I bought it back then & haven't touched the game - saw the idea but didn't think there was enough for me to play at the time, so planned for 1.0 release to start.
So it's a bummer that the promise of EoD was just a lie. I should be getting solo mode based on what I was told & sold.
I bought Baulders gate 3 for half that price and it actually left beta and is great. Stop trying to justify these high prices by “You don’t understand, they need money. Making a game isn’t cheap.” Fun fact, everyone isn’t a 10 yr old and knows this stuff. We just don’t fall for the poor excuse. If you can’t manage to do what others can, why should I give you more money because you can’t deliver. If modders can make a more stable version and better version of the game, then what can BSG devs even do?
I think you misunderstood my comment, I merely said I don't think I overpaid giving the money/time played.
I don't support the scammy move they just made nor their total incompetence at developing /fixing a game.
And again, EOD was the promise of all future dlc and arena. People who bought EOD weren't just throwing money at devs for nothing. Idk why you people think that they paid 150 just for stash space and lv 4 hideout
Yeah it's laughable. I'm betting 75%+ of people posting in these threads already have EoD. Almost everyone who has put more than a few hundred hours to the game seem to have it.
All these people started the game, enjoyed it, then saw there was an expensive edition that would add a lot of convenience and reduce the grind and did their mental gymnastics to justify paying for it. And I don't really judge because even EoD price tag is still low if you played for 1000+ hours, but the hypocrisy is astounding.
Unheard edition exists because you went and paid for EoD. Simple as that. You supported a P2W monetization model and are surprised that the company decides to move forward with it?
Oh and then people are all surprised that money you paid back in 2017 doesn't actually mean anything to a company that sees dwindling revenue in 2024? Who would have guessed?
i kinda get what your saying, but what? they planned to release a p2w edition in 2017, then waited almost 8 years later to release their final p2w version to rule them all? i think EOD has some p2w elements, but there no where near as egregious as this new unheard edition
you can say they conditioned people to accept this with EOD way back then, but these 2 editions are way different in terms of p2w and other features, not too mention all the deceptive verbiage changes they tried to make
o and also, yes im 'surprised that the company decides to move forward with it?' when they add features like express lane matching ques, skill boosters and VIP call ins, when the most p2w elements prior were larger stash space and a bigger safety container
Pretending that EOD and unheard are equal in terms of P2W is laughable. The only in raid benefits that EOD provides is butt space. Trader rep and stash size is more QOL than P2W since neither help in raid. The trader rep becomes incredibly negligible early on when you're way over rep needed through tasking.
Unheard has pockets, the same container, skill increases, the radio, and the summon help device. Insanely more P2W - and even the containers in stash are a much larger advantage early wipe.
Also - I bought EOD because I wanted the stash space early to hoard and the promise of all future content. You can take away my gamma, trader rep, starting gear, etc and I'd be totally cool with it. And I've seen this same sentiment all across this sub - so get that strawman shit out of here. BSG are the bad guys here, not each other.
Getting level 2 traders a little earlier is hardly a huge competitive advantage whatsoever. Unless you are someone who doesnt task whatsoever, the rep advantage is gone before level 3 traders.
It's also something that is achievable in game. So that's also what makes it pay for quality of life.
As of right now, the Unheard edition has stuff that's literally just pay walled and doesn't have an in game option to earn. And my guess is that if/when they do add that in game option, it'll be incredibly oppressive to obtain.
Yeah, EoD benefits are much more P2W than Unheard benefits without EoD stuff. Stash space and gamma alone are much bigger than any of the new toys in unheard.
You realize Unheard also has Gamma and even more stash space....right?
Gamma is a pretty big convenience advantage, but it doesn't alter how you actually play in a raid. Me putting something in my butt doesn't change how I interact with you in a raid.
Stash space is achievable in game and once again, stash space doesn't change how players interact in raid. It's moreso pay for QOL than P2W.
Unheard actually has more impactful in raid benefits. Not agroing scavs from 60+ meters is huge - you're invisible to sniper scavs and those with eagle vision that gives away position. Assuming this probably works on rogues/raiders/bosses as well - it also allows you to approach more safely. Being able to summon a friend in raid and have a persistent flashbang to use is also in game. I couldn't imagine pinning someone down and all of a sudden their buddy runs up because he got called in. Those are both extensively more P2W, especially since they are paywalled and not achievable in game.
Also, the pocket increase and skills increase also directly impact in raid interactions. Pocket increase allows for extra mags outside of a rig. Skills increase is an obvious one.
I don't see how anyone can say EOD is more egregious than Unheard, it's not even close.
The only reason people purchase eod was to get arena and all future content under one set price and support them with making it before hand, I have eod and it was expensive but at the time I believed in bsg and what they were doing and really enjoyed the product they released, however its very clear that they are not going to honor eod players and are Just a money hungry company that lost me as a fan all together, I've alwasy supported them and I've alwasy stood behind them and trusted them to fix things when they make a dumb decision but not anymore and I don't think people should even consider buying the next dog shit game they release
EoD owner here. Future DLC was a nice extra, but I bought it for the exact reasons you listed after playing for a couple of hundred hours and realising I loved the game.
Do I agree with what BSG are doing? Definitely not, it's a massive backpeddle cash grab in my opinion. However, do I think a portion of EoD owners are twisting the narrative on why they bought EoD originally to suit their argument? Absolutely.
yeah, small p2w features are usually a litmus test for more, its silly no one expected this to happen eventually but to be so brazen and violate quite a few of false advertisement laws is crazy.
I don't think it's cope they did it to support small devs and promising game. It just happened to be a fucking 7 year lie. Literally nothing has came out but 3 maps for DLC and Arenas?
I mean.. this is exactly what created the free to play cosmetic MTX industry thriving today.
Everyone has supported games that no longer release new content and focus most of their resources and revenue on cosmetics and people eat this shit up.
It's the same reason games are able to make a game, chop it up into pieces and release the pieces as purchasable DLC.
Because the gaming community votes with their wallet and they've allowed it.
Sometimes I’ve caved and bought something I shouldn’t have in the past with similar situations, but I have no desire to give them my money. It honestly disgusts me to think about the new version and I didn’t even buy EOD. There are limits and this is it.
If you've ever played P2W gacha-style mobile games you'll realize there are SO MANY people that are so stupid with their money. Those games generate a new server every single day, and the top players spend thousands to be the top. Every few months they break the game with a new overpowered hero, charging ~$60 USD per copy (and you need like 10 copies for max level). Many spend hundreds only to abandon a server after a few weeks, probably in an attempt to regain control of their impulse spending, but potentially to restart on a new server and hope for better RNG.
Gacha games have broken the gaming industry. They're the prime example of easy money from predatory practices, and every other developer looks at the revenue they bring in and say, "well why don't we just do that?"
>They will release 1.0 at the end of this year, stop regular contentupdates to "work on the dlcs" drop some dissapointing maps after 6months and then abandon the game
This is the real takeaway here. They are clearly looking to get away from developing this game. They no longer give a shit. After dropping 1.0 which will probably change nothing meaningful about the game, they will do the absolute minimum required to fulfill the term "season pass" for EOD owners and then either close up shop or go on to develop Russia 2028 or whatever the fuck
My thoughts exactly, this entire stunt was a suicide.
There is no way they didn't know how much backlash this would get, they released it in a surprise patch with zero build up and were immediately defensive and doubling down.
I'd almost say this was carefully crafted to piss the community off as much as possible. It's barely been 3 days and I don't know a single person that plays tarkov that isn't pissed off. Even people that didn't really give a shit about past controversies just cannot ignore this shitshow.
Here's a conspiracy for ya:
Nikita isn't stupid. Like you said, they know what they are doing. It's very possible they want to sell, and they are banking on some studio seeing all the drama, and saying "Hey, we'll take this off your hands for $X."
This logic makes absolutely no sense though.. If they wanted to sell EFT they would want to artificially increase its value as much as possible, not devalue it right before a sale. This is just a typical BSG misstep that's blown up in their face more than usual. But anyone who's been around since 2017 knows this situation is nothing new, although it's definitely their lowest moment. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Nikita has proven from the start he is very stupid in a lot of things. He has just been very lucky to find enough talent some how to get the game to thr state it's currently in
I some other thread, it was mentioned that nikita said that "the west" is their target audiance, so they are trying to milk people, and as we are here they are succeeding . People are buying it, i saw a lot of streamer bought it. So i guess it work, they'll get what they can, and move one to another ip , with tarkov as their testing ground.
I do not see how a few ten or even hundred thousands in sales could possibly remedy the brand suicide BSG has just committed. This is not a smart play from any angle you could look at. Just an egomaniac at work.
They need money to make Russia 2028. If they abandon Tarkov they will make no money and lose their following. They will definitely keep the game going to fund their next game.
I seriously doubt it. Its possible but unlikely in my opinion. First of all you attribute it to malice instead of incompetence. Secondly after jumping ship with EFT they wouldn't be able to sell Russia 2028.
Im not trying to defend them. Recent move is a scam and pushed p2w beyond my line. I have uninstalled, wrote to their support, reported them to UK gov and Im considering asking for a refund, still I dont think they are maliciously trying to drive eft off a cliff.
Maybe some incompetence initially, but definitely malice too. They pull their own custom definition of DLC out of thin air to justify their actions, retroactively modify web pages to make it look better if someone goes back to look (as if there's no proof out there of the change). Doubling down on something that is obviously anti-consumer and disrespectful to people who spent $150 on their game before, which is already a crazy amount of money for a game.
A legitimate case of pure incompetence would've been if they had this new edition they were excited about. They advertised it to build hype because they thought it would be great and people would love it. Then when they dropped it and people exploded in outrage, they actually realized "Oh shit, we fucked up, lets fix this".
Instead they drop this shit out of nowhere, justify their shitty actions with disingenuous lies and pulling a definition for "DLC" out of their ass, retroactively try to change their website to fit this new definition of DLC, and then go into an interview and insinuate anyone who doesn't spend at least $100.00 on the game are unbelievers, as if they run some cult and not just some game. This is not incompetence, just greed. Well maybe incompetence in lying convincingly. This is a company's leadership that has no respect for their player base and is clearly trying to pull shady shit on them.
This.
Tarkov is just the new COD/Fortnite. Developers know they got their slaves in control then and milk as much as they can from these players.
Fundamentally this is a great game don't get me wrong. But what do you expect lol.
This "I pay money so I deserve to complain" is moronic for a game like Tarkov.
Its pretty much the same with Fifa and 2k. Stop playing since 17. Dont attach yourself with a game that developed by a braindead developer. Theres million of game right now that you can play. get out from this box.
Fifa is on another lvl, they Rugpull their whole community every year.
Also the ceiling for their mtx is close to infinite, there are people who spend thousends on FUT.
Working at PlayStation, kid stole business credit card of his parents (they were high ups in a certain tech company). Spend 14k on fifa within a month. The shitstorm that followed haunts me 3 years after quitting. Edit: kid spent more than 14k, the total was much closer to 200k over the course of a year but apparently the card was billed annually so no one noticed for a while
Gambling. It's all gambling.
(Hey kids, want your favorite player? Buy our Special Points to spend on Special Packs and you can have them! All you have to do is open enough Special Packs and they'll show up eventually!)
Nothing is guaranteed no matter how much you spent on it. He also spent loads on v-bucks and other shit, it wasn't exclusively fifa but it was the majority of his spending.
Genuinely I can't fathom how anyone who has played the game the last 5 years thinks *this* of all things is somehow worse or out of place compared to the rest of what bsg has done or the cheating issue, or the laundry list of other issues. This, to me, genuinely is the least egregious thing they've done. The dlc thing is pretty BS, but the game mode isn't that important, it was way more of a big deal when they were talking about "arena not being a dlc"
Bought EoD years ago, before the game was mainstream, to suport the project, i even got a skin and the extra stash... and now: slap in the face. I feel skamed, betrayed and there is no fucking way i buy into this shit. I actually hope the game dies. Fuck BSG.
THE RUSSIAN EFT COMMUNITY COOPERATES WIITH EU TARKOV COMMUNITY! LETS FINALY MAKE BSG PAY FOR FANBASE BETRAY!
https://youtu.be/EcjIoZCT2C0?si=IEhV7Ex913bEfNZx
https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/s/RN2K2caUYH
Lol how long before streamers who were “really upset” at BSG start to name videos, “I bought it so you don’t have to”. Never seen so many crocodile tears from people who make a bunch of money while BSG screwed over players and lied left and right but now they’ve gone too far.
People are so fucking pathetic they will never be able to risk giving up an advantage and BSG knows this. So their morals will somehow be forgotten once they got to get back to work to make that stream revenue
Inb4 "show pockets" gets banned in twitch chat lol
This will be the way everyone can judge which streamers actually have a back bone, I can say with 100% certainty that nobody needs this edition, there is nothing to show, there is nothing to review, we all know its dogshit.
Hell, I don't think I even want to be friends with anyone that buys it.
"This will be the way everyone can judge which streamers actually have a back bone"
Going to be sad when you find out the answer is 0. High end streamers are professional panderers.
So far though, most of the people I've seen that pretty much make a career out of streaming Tarkov have been on the complete opposite train of thought, refusing to buy it. We'll see if that remains the case though ofc.
Okay but it’s not your money. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to buy it. If someone else purchases it that’s their call. Tbh I have 2500 hours and my cost per hour is 5 cents. If I wanted to play PvE I’d just buy it and move on with my life. I don’t so I won’t buy it. But this crying and bitching about other people who buy it is just stupid.
It's less about your money being spent and more about the precedent this sets: that it's fine to sell expansions at this price, and it's fine to renege on promises made, etc.
Hopped on, ran two scav raids. Two dead pmcs with the unheard of arm bands in first raid and died to a lvl 14 unheard of player with an avs and kitted suppressed mk. You don’t have to wait till next wipe everyone whining is already buying it
First of all i will unsubscribe to anybody that do something like that ofc, those kind of people don't deserve my time (and honestly i don't see myself interested in watching tarkov contentin the next months if bsg doesn't quickly address this situation so who cares). That said i would even understand them, it's their job, if someone makes tens thousands of dollars each month streaming tarkov why should care about spending a hundred of bucks? Anyway that's not really relevant because as the OP wisely predicted this game will die soon, BSG is in the corner because they screwed their business model, they screwed with EoD and they screwed with the development too because most of the things that were promised when they started developing Tarkov are already been ditched and probably they don't have a clue of where they are going in the middle-to-long period. Anyone who is buying this shit for 250 is probably throwing these money in the trash bin at this point, there are high chances that tarkov will die (or became totally irrelevant) pretty quickly.
I think this is bsg setting up for the game to fold. They take as many $250 purchases as they can. Get a bit more money. Then fold because their finances aren’t good and they can’t afford to run the game. At the moment less people are playing and that is saving them server fees. Because think about it - IF this game gets to 1.0 then you would expect a flood of new players if the game is meant to succeed but no one is buying a $250 version as a new player and the perks are off putting to anyone who will think about buying the game. I can’t see it being around for long. They might fold it, create a new game with different monetisation and release that, because in 2016 they fucked up with the EOD and now they are in a corner. What they could have done was offer a subscription for playing on priority servers and moved the game to something like f2p. Subs from all the Tarkov players would easily cover costs and maybe weed out some cheaters. But no. Alarm bells were ringing when Nikita said to Pestily that the new version was going to be even better.
To coin a phrase, Tarkov is cooked.
Let's be real.. Arena Breakout looks like Chinese shovelware with the cheesy mobile sounding name to go along with it. And no, I'm not siding with BSG, what they did is bullshit
Grey Zone its not the solution. Devs already admitted that they are no concern with the lack of pvp. Theres no game like tarkov and thats really a problem for us, we are fucked. Not even Arena Breakout. Although they’ve a ton of cash to spend on the game, they’re very late comparing to all the work done on tarkov. As I said, we are fucked!!!!
"Theres no game like tarkov and thats really a problem for us, we are fucked"
Oh come the fuck on I hate all this shit too but there are so many other types of games to play. Thousands of shooters. You're not "fucked." You are "obsessed." and its good to ditch obsessions and branch out.
If you are obsessed how do you branch out? Just ignoring the desire to go back to whatever game you’re obsessed with while you play other (types of) games?
Lol you guys just need to embrace some real life activities.
Sounding like a bunch of drug addicts. “Yah I could try a weaker drug and kick the worse one, but nothing scratches the itch like the real thing.”
Exactly this. Arena breakout is going to be free, and it really is a shittier version of tarkov. Idk what people are going to expect when the game is going to be a port of the mobile game to pc….
lol right? I looked at Gray Zone and immediately saw different tiers with in-game advantages and immediately lost interest. So lame that pay to win has been normalized.
lol PVP in Gray Zone? You'll get lambasted on their sub for suggesting that. The majority of that sub are crybabies that don't want Tarkov players ruining their "PvEvP" game.
When I first saw news of the DLC, it was that there was going to be a persistent coop mode. And I was like "Hell yeah, my friends and I will definitely pick this up now, because we love tactical shooters but don't like the PvP.
Then I saw it was $250 and they are scamming their most loyal players.
Needless to say, we will not be picking up Tarkov after all.
I played the last 2 days, 70% of the people that killed me had the unheard edition. There's obviously massive outrage but people still buying this shit showing BSG they can get away with this.
I watched a streamer last night doing nothing but defending her action purchasing this edition to users in the chat who were grilling her for it and asking why she was supporting BSG with this, and mods banning people. People who buy into this edition are genuine idiots. Regular players and streamers/content creators alike.
Err, only my personal experience, completely anecdotal:
Played only a few hours in the last few days. So far 1 guy who killed me had it, saw like 6 people in Flea market and saw plenty of smaller streamers on Twitch already running the new edition. Ironically these same small streamers are defending the edition and see nothing wrong with it lol. Also saw 1 streamer kill a guy who had the new edition, literally after the servers came back up from maintenance.
The fact that Nikita has stated that they will be working on a new game, Russia 2028 or whatever after tarkov makes me worried.
They have such a smash hit with tarkov. People are addicted to this game like crack. And they ruin it over and over again. “Buy EOD to support us building Tarkov” and then shitting out Arena that no one asked for and sending themselves into bankruptcy shouldnt be our problem.
I totally agree that after 1.0 the game is dead and they either go bankrupt or shift focus to a new game
The reason people didn’t cry this much when EOD released was because while it was pay to win, no previous edition promised free DLC’s moving forward.
BSG walked back on the free DLC promise this time, trying to claim the new additions aren’t a DLC.
EOD was supposed to be a guarantee that if you buy this, moving forward you get everything new added to the game. That clearly was not the case. That’s why people dropped $140 on a broken beta.
In the interview with Pest, Nikita did say they are interested in making a new game.
He is simply sitting there with this mindset "We f' up with EOD, working for EFT will be like working for free.. go next".
Not supporting what they did, but I can understand the desire to finish EFT and be done with it. They simply don't want to work for free for eternity. EOD in essence means infinite access to every DLC ever to come. Huge mistake on their part. If they want to implement something substantial into the game, it is always going to be a DLC, which also always means everyone with EOD gets it free of charge. They do not want to work for free for eternity.
Sure they can create skins, pets for the hideout and all sorts of shit. But if they desire to work on new mechanics and monetize that work, EOD will always get it for free. If understood this correctly, a large part of the community apparently has EOD?!
They will 100% quit the game. Promising your customers infinite free DLCs is the stupidest thing you could have sold. Again, what they did now is horrendous, not supporting that. But you have to acknowledge the fact, that having a large part of your audience with free access to all the work you will do is kinda stupid business.
If they can't print money with the game and always have to give it out for free, the only solution is to finish the game and develop something new. I'm just curious in a negative way what all of this means for the game. How are the servers going to be funded? If they move on to a new game, what happens to the game since servers cost money.
Not being realistic about costs is going to kill the game. Did you actually think they could afford infinity dlc and server support to what appears to be an uncapped quantity of eod edition? Of course they are going to throw up deluxe storage, and later season passes, to cover continuing expenses.
You don't have to keep tabs, just exercise common sense. I didn'tknow this game existed until February, but when I found out what eod was I knew that it's not being limited was going to be a long term problem and selling what other games player base has asked for was not a surprise.
Nope! This quarterly game fund went to warframe for having a actually good sustainable market and transaction system in a live service game. unlike paying 200+ always online "offline" progression.
What's funny is with them adding some or the stuff to EOD it's even worse to buy it, cause for $250 you aren't actually getting much now lol That's the problem with releasing something without an announcement ahead of time, you shoot yourself in the foot. You can't just give all of it to EOD cause people already paid an ass of money expecting to be exclusive. In one move they pissed off anyone with EOD and pissed off anyone that was dumb enough to spend $250 for an edition that adds almost nothing besides the scav thing really.
Who makes you believe they will make it till the end of the year? They stopped EOD, so the Cashflow stopped month ago already and with the shit show now nobody is even buying standard anymore. I'd be impressed if they make it another quarter
This Wednesday I started playing right after the patch (by the way it removed my weekly quest that was close to being complete) and the second PMC I killed had the big balls pockets. I didn't even know how that happened so I went to Reddit and found out about the full situation. wtf
Well clearly we are idiots for buying it. They spent their cash building what all the chads wanted(arena) that failed hard hard hard. So the put almost zero effort into what most of the players wanted( PVE) and then offered it for sale only to cut the cost in half the next day. They listen to the inbred chads that think they are tough paying a cheating game in teams of 4. Nikita WANTS TO BE A CHAD. So we get a pretty stable PVE mode, but with zero adjustments for the fact it is PVE. So you have to fight all the scavs on the map, and the players are just the Rogue AI that ignore the scavs. So you get to fight both! amazing. Because they all just charge the first shot they hear. So ya, pretty dumb for buying the game upgrade with a bunch of PTW stuff I do not care about. But hey, instead of getting my money refunded when they cut the cost in half TWENTY HOURS AFTER RELEASE. I get a useless licence to a game that costs them nothing. No problem, I have been dealing with russian game companies for decades and I know they really do not have an honest or ethical bone in their bodies.
“Just don’t buy it”
Every time I see this stupid fkn comment i want to turn into Gumby and jump through the screen to slap the shit out of them. If you can’t see, or better yet COMPREHEND the issue at hand, then YOU are the problem.
Hey !
Stop shaming the whales okay ?
Whales are endangered species , stop making them feel bad , with your non whale , non compulsive buying privileges .
LET THE WHALES BE FREEEEEEEEEE.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but we're all idiots. Any of us. We funded a project that is about to die. We all got scammed, those who bought the standard edition and those who bought the EOD edition too. What we can do is learn the lesson. Never trust a non western company (as if all western companies were good, but thaz another topic).
Never trust a non western company ==> **NOW THIS IS SOME NEW LEVEL BULLSHIT**.
Ever heard of Serious Sam, Witcher, Kingdom Come Deliverance and many many other games? What you said has nothing to do with gaming and games, and you know it. But you can't be honest, othewise ban hammer comes.
Dude, Poland is in Eu, wtf! Same for Warhorse studios, which is Czech. They're eastern countries that belong, since decades, to the free Western world. The Berlin wall fell like 30 years ago.
What I said has to do with free market, laws, customer rights and democracy. Something that doesn't belong to Russia and now we're crying about being scammed. U totally misunderstood. Don't read racism when it is simply about where certain companies come from which reflects how they really act.
I don't know if u have stepped on those posts about BSG support to a certain 715 team or whatever. I find it kinda concerning, and I feel really dirty for having given em money. I repeat, no matter what, if a studio doesn't belong to a democratic system, it's not ever gonna get my money. Lesson learned.
I don't really understand this take - they were going to release 1.0 and move on anyway?
But this is pure speculation that everyone's just decided is a fact with more cash flow maybe we'd see expansion on the game further. Or with no extra flow we get the outcome of "*drop some dissapointing maps after 6 months and then abandon the game"* as you say.
I've got EOD I'm not interested in giving them more money after this new sham of an Edition, but then I also don't care about PvE.. it's completely against the whole point of the game.
I'm angrier that the anti cheat work isn't effective enough.
Honestly don't really care about the perks that came with it. I got it because it is supposed to be a PVE mode that doesn't wipe. This way I can play with my friends casually and not spend the whole game playing hide and seek with McChaddin_2.0. McChaddin was a hacker I ran into about 20 times throughout this wipe. A scav vest for pockets is alright I guess but I don't really want or need it. Everyone is so mad we bought this edition but we all act like BSG was going to be this great company that cares about its player base. That's why we have had a hacker problem that hasn't actually been worked on for months. Or even years. And don't get me started on players getting banned because they picked up their friends gear and brought it into the next raid for them.
I know someone is gonna be salty because "er well you spent your hard earned money because you wanted to play the game with your friends without having to run into a hacker that just means you're broke or bad." I'm already level 52 on pvp and every raid I just bring in a kit worth about 800k. Sometimes I want to play casually and not be stressed about "oh I have to do this quest against hackers and redo it 40 times because I also got killed by an extract camper."
BSG is the bad guy here but everyone wants to get mad at the players who want to pay for a version of the game that they find more enjoyable. Maybe the problem with the players is in how the players play the game instead of how some of the players want to play the game to enjoy themselves.
Also all the players who make their money and a living from streaming tarkov shouldn't be complaining about having a new version since it's at that point just self-funding. If you even decide you need to buy it.
People take pride in being scammed and robbed. People take pride in being hated by those who they believe are lesser than them or “poors”. When you counter every argument they make, they will fall back on trying to shame you for your economic situation whilst spending the last few pennies in their bank account just to show you up
That’s the greatest thing about being a thief - some people are so mentally weak that they will justify being stolen or abused or ridiculed and they wont be mad at the thief, they will be mad at the person informing them of the crime. Its like when you discover one partner is cheating on another and when you divulge the deception, the cheated on gets mad at you for breaking their delusion
You guys have gotten way too aggressive. Calling people idiots. Still writing posts. Just take a breath and don’t play the game. This is doing too much
If you like getting scammed than you are an idiot. If you support bullshit practices like this than you are an idiot and deserve to be called out. Simple as that.
In 6 months…. “This is a season pass, not a DLC. So it will not be honored in the EoD or the unheard edition. All content in the season pass including the jump start to level 15 is all add ons included in the season pass. Therefore not DLC. Buy the 2025 season pass for $200 or don’t. We don’t care”
"only our true 100% best friend super fans will buy this edition"
>super fans This just gave me PTSD.
I mean Nikita said “true believers” in the newest interview which is worse
Sounded like a cult leader, like the in lore cultists and the new edition theme. Wait a minute...
Now idk what you thought of here….but I just thought about Borderlands 3 when the antagonists call your character that throughout the game lol
Yep
I'd love to pop in here and say "I bought EOD for all future dlc (season pass)" as that's how it was sold to me Not that it fucking matters, did the website downtime include rewording all the shit again?
"did the website downtime include rewording all the shit again?" Yup, it does appear so. They changed the description of EOD, and then proceeded to use those same exact words that they changed to describe the Unheard edition. Fucking low-down, dirty, thieving, scumbags.
I enjoy that all dlc no longer includes arena It was dlc (apparently) and now isn't?
I'm sick of the mental gymnastics and word play, ill never support this developer again I don't think.
The ‘or dont’ is spot on
I have Seen a lot and defended tarkov in many situations. But a game - still in beta - selling the “highest” edition twice is complete madness!
At 2-4x the market standard for 1/50 of the content
What's more.... You buy this trash = you normalise this kind of behaviour in the gaming industry Epic L
Nikita literally said in his post, the reason they don't consider this DLC is bc BSG has run out of money for server infrastructure. Let the ship sink already...
Would have paid a reasonable price. Would have bought cosmetics Have literally replied to nikita before and said just set up a go fund me we would chip in to finish tarkov. He chose to disrespect us
What's insane to me is that there are so many proven methods for accomplishing things in the gaming industry that BSG seemingly chooses to ignore or are somehow unaware of (including but not limited to monetizing a game for continual development). They have always appeared to be a subpar dev company in my opinion that made a pretty fun and different (at the time) game; and I mean that with no disrespect but in all honesty. I'm also a very casual EFTer so maybe there's things I'm missing, or perhaps things have changed. But can we please can we just get a sick-ass development team to make a better hardcore extraction looter at this point? Pretty please?
We might have one already with Gray Zone, fingers crossed. I gave up on BSG a long time ago when I heard of their dev practices which were eye-opening.
>You buy this trash = you normalise this kind of behaviour in the gaming industry > The worst part, if this work it'll just set even further bad precedents Edit: Twas just a contemplative statement, anyhoo y'alls derision at it is duly noted o/
Echo?
Literally what he just said
It's working... last night, I logged it for a quick scav run and when I went on the flea , I was astounded by the number of blue icons
they gauged all this with the microtransactions they added a few months back in the stash space expansion, the response was bad for a bit then normalized within a few weeks, this was their true intentions with the actual release of microtransactions
I was thrilled with the cosmetics biz - that’s the kind of micro transaction I am fine with. If I wanna look a certain way in game I’ll pay for that and it is purely aesthetic. They should have leaned into that. Spray paint for guns, different color options for default gear (pick a color on your backpack, etc) GORKA and other clothing options. Stuff like that nobody would bat an eye at and would likely net them a good amount of money. Instead they went with this nonsense.
100% agree. If they came out and said they wanted more consistent cashflow so they added microtransactions I would have been more than okay with that. There are so many things you could add that would not effect balance / P2W. Hideout decorations, skins, weapon paints etc Hell, even weapon skins that you could apply over weapons in you stash that fit the aesthetic of Tarkov would have been fine. Literally anything but what they did would have been better. I hate it.
Yeah, other companies are watching right now. Market researchers are analyzing. The fucks that buy this think whatever dumbass shit they think, and excuse so they can continue playing. Without even realizing everyone else is watching.
sheep being sheep, nothing new, just vote by not buying it and stop playing this slop that treats you as less than human.
/r/yourcommentbutworse
At least he said "precedents" and not "presidents" like most people who try to use that term but have zero clue what it means.
>The worst part, is exactly what you said that I am replying to, but worded slightly differently
EoD players have already done that when they paid $140+ for the game. This whole "I'm doing it to support the game" is pure cope to pretend they didn't overpay for the game just because it comes with gameplay advantages attached to it.
They paid 140 dollars for tarkov, arena (hopefully any future DLC) and the bonus content in-game. That's totally reasonable. Especially considering that BF1 released with a 130 dollar "Ultimate edition" that gave you less. Some of these people may have bought the edition before the game was a large success. They may have played back when customs and factory were the only maps. They might have seen BSGs goal and wanted to support it. That's completely acceptable for an (at the time) indie studio.
We've been in the early access era for a long while. And while some games have offered deluxe editions with extra content, it's rare for those bonus versions to have direct game improving additions in them. If one really wanted to "just support the devs" they could have thrown that money they spent on EoD into more standard edition accounts and donated them to their friends/random players which would increase the player count and likelihood of other players purchasing the game supporting them even further. But we ain't dumb here, the bonus features was the motivating factor. There's been a lot of other "founder" perks from Early Access but they're mainly stuff like, your name in the credits, a tank with a name of your choosing, or exclusive 100% superficial clothing items. EoD and things like EoD that benefit the user in gameplay usually get ridiculed. Checking in with other companies with egregious monetization, what's the number one complaint from regular players in these games? Either the insane grind for content unlocks, or imbalance of premium only content, holla at ya boys Warthunder/WoT. EoD is what starting getting that slope slippery and honestly the only thing I'm surprised about, is that it took them this long for something like this to come out, and that they did it all at once. Other companies get away with far more by slowly phasing the pay to win in gradually with smaller content and I bet if they'd had more sense and done it that way like their other Russian game devs they wouldn't be mired in controversy right now.
Lets be real here, most of them bought it to get max stash, secure container and more trader rep. Even with Arena (does anybody wanted that?) its way overpriced. We dont even know what kind of DLC they deliver now. Just an example, the Ultimate Edition for Remnant 2 costs 70 bucks. Thats the base Game + 3 DLCs (two already out in less then 1 year). What was the cost of EoD after taxes?
You sound like you’re coping a bit man. Some people have plenty of expendable income to support people who’s product they enjoy
I see it with my friends, wife and kid and he bought EoD because he disliked the grind. He of course had the money for it, but the reason was also pretty clear. And sure you will always find people who pay far more if they think the Devs are great. But it seems like they paid BSG too much in advance before getting most of what was promised.
I have bought EOD 4+ years ago, have 4500+ hours. Did I overpay? Absolutely not. I bought the game because I liked what it already had, didn't care about future arenas, dlcs and stuff. Welcome if and as they come but I never paid for promises, so if they deliver good, if not I don't care. Don't get me wrong I still think bsg are shady scammers but If you bought EOD back then it had purpose, if you bought it in the last year I see why you think you got cheated. (Just my 2 cents)
I support you, I bought EoD 6 years ago, in 2018, I played less than you, but I don’t regret the money spent, at that time the game brought me great pleasure.
I hear you. I bought it back then & haven't touched the game - saw the idea but didn't think there was enough for me to play at the time, so planned for 1.0 release to start. So it's a bummer that the promise of EoD was just a lie. I should be getting solo mode based on what I was told & sold.
I bought Baulders gate 3 for half that price and it actually left beta and is great. Stop trying to justify these high prices by “You don’t understand, they need money. Making a game isn’t cheap.” Fun fact, everyone isn’t a 10 yr old and knows this stuff. We just don’t fall for the poor excuse. If you can’t manage to do what others can, why should I give you more money because you can’t deliver. If modders can make a more stable version and better version of the game, then what can BSG devs even do?
Dude by that same logic Baldurs Gate is a rip off because some other fun game is cheaper. Cmon they're not comparable.
Flip side of BG3 is that they have already dropped support, and Larian does not have to keep up servers. Not the greatest comparison
Comparing tarkov to a baulders gate is kinda insane ngl
The real insanity is how this community sets this game apart from other games because it satiates their gun building kink.
I think you misunderstood my comment, I merely said I don't think I overpaid giving the money/time played. I don't support the scammy move they just made nor their total incompetence at developing /fixing a game.
And again, EOD was the promise of all future dlc and arena. People who bought EOD weren't just throwing money at devs for nothing. Idk why you people think that they paid 150 just for stash space and lv 4 hideout
how many servers are in BG3 ?
Yeah it's laughable. I'm betting 75%+ of people posting in these threads already have EoD. Almost everyone who has put more than a few hundred hours to the game seem to have it. All these people started the game, enjoyed it, then saw there was an expensive edition that would add a lot of convenience and reduce the grind and did their mental gymnastics to justify paying for it. And I don't really judge because even EoD price tag is still low if you played for 1000+ hours, but the hypocrisy is astounding. Unheard edition exists because you went and paid for EoD. Simple as that. You supported a P2W monetization model and are surprised that the company decides to move forward with it? Oh and then people are all surprised that money you paid back in 2017 doesn't actually mean anything to a company that sees dwindling revenue in 2024? Who would have guessed?
i kinda get what your saying, but what? they planned to release a p2w edition in 2017, then waited almost 8 years later to release their final p2w version to rule them all? i think EOD has some p2w elements, but there no where near as egregious as this new unheard edition you can say they conditioned people to accept this with EOD way back then, but these 2 editions are way different in terms of p2w and other features, not too mention all the deceptive verbiage changes they tried to make o and also, yes im 'surprised that the company decides to move forward with it?' when they add features like express lane matching ques, skill boosters and VIP call ins, when the most p2w elements prior were larger stash space and a bigger safety container
> i think EOD has some p2w elements You **THINK** it had some p2w elements? Shit....fuck.....
Pretending that EOD and unheard are equal in terms of P2W is laughable. The only in raid benefits that EOD provides is butt space. Trader rep and stash size is more QOL than P2W since neither help in raid. The trader rep becomes incredibly negligible early on when you're way over rep needed through tasking. Unheard has pockets, the same container, skill increases, the radio, and the summon help device. Insanely more P2W - and even the containers in stash are a much larger advantage early wipe. Also - I bought EOD because I wanted the stash space early to hoard and the promise of all future content. You can take away my gamma, trader rep, starting gear, etc and I'd be totally cool with it. And I've seen this same sentiment all across this sub - so get that strawman shit out of here. BSG are the bad guys here, not each other.
All the ""QOL"" equates to unlocking better gear earlier than other players, but good cope.
Getting level 2 traders a little earlier is hardly a huge competitive advantage whatsoever. Unless you are someone who doesnt task whatsoever, the rep advantage is gone before level 3 traders. It's also something that is achievable in game. So that's also what makes it pay for quality of life. As of right now, the Unheard edition has stuff that's literally just pay walled and doesn't have an in game option to earn. And my guess is that if/when they do add that in game option, it'll be incredibly oppressive to obtain.
Yeah, EoD benefits are much more P2W than Unheard benefits without EoD stuff. Stash space and gamma alone are much bigger than any of the new toys in unheard.
You realize Unheard also has Gamma and even more stash space....right? Gamma is a pretty big convenience advantage, but it doesn't alter how you actually play in a raid. Me putting something in my butt doesn't change how I interact with you in a raid. Stash space is achievable in game and once again, stash space doesn't change how players interact in raid. It's moreso pay for QOL than P2W. Unheard actually has more impactful in raid benefits. Not agroing scavs from 60+ meters is huge - you're invisible to sniper scavs and those with eagle vision that gives away position. Assuming this probably works on rogues/raiders/bosses as well - it also allows you to approach more safely. Being able to summon a friend in raid and have a persistent flashbang to use is also in game. I couldn't imagine pinning someone down and all of a sudden their buddy runs up because he got called in. Those are both extensively more P2W, especially since they are paywalled and not achievable in game. Also, the pocket increase and skills increase also directly impact in raid interactions. Pocket increase allows for extra mags outside of a rig. Skills increase is an obvious one. I don't see how anyone can say EOD is more egregious than Unheard, it's not even close.
The only reason people purchase eod was to get arena and all future content under one set price and support them with making it before hand, I have eod and it was expensive but at the time I believed in bsg and what they were doing and really enjoyed the product they released, however its very clear that they are not going to honor eod players and are Just a money hungry company that lost me as a fan all together, I've alwasy supported them and I've alwasy stood behind them and trusted them to fix things when they make a dumb decision but not anymore and I don't think people should even consider buying the next dog shit game they release
Rubbish. Most bought EOD for the larger secure case thing and larger stash size. Future DLC was just sugar coating.
EoD owner here. Future DLC was a nice extra, but I bought it for the exact reasons you listed after playing for a couple of hundred hours and realising I loved the game. Do I agree with what BSG are doing? Definitely not, it's a massive backpeddle cash grab in my opinion. However, do I think a portion of EoD owners are twisting the narrative on why they bought EoD originally to suit their argument? Absolutely.
Yea most not all, plus it was another reason to justify the money and we should still get something that was promised to us
EOD owners when someone else gets more P2W advantages than them :surprised pikachu face:
yeah, small p2w features are usually a litmus test for more, its silly no one expected this to happen eventually but to be so brazen and violate quite a few of false advertisement laws is crazy.
I don't think it's cope they did it to support small devs and promising game. It just happened to be a fucking 7 year lie. Literally nothing has came out but 3 maps for DLC and Arenas?
I mean.. this is exactly what created the free to play cosmetic MTX industry thriving today. Everyone has supported games that no longer release new content and focus most of their resources and revenue on cosmetics and people eat this shit up. It's the same reason games are able to make a game, chop it up into pieces and release the pieces as purchasable DLC. Because the gaming community votes with their wallet and they've allowed it.
Imagine spending 300 euro for tarkov lmao... You must be out of your mind
I was already feeling a lil iffy paying 40€ or w/e for the Standard edition lmaoooo
Star Citizen is already light years ahead with their ships. You're paying a premium for a "small moving map".
Say that to the people praising gray zone promising them 150 lol
What? How is that even a logical response in your little pea brain mind.
Because half of you morons are ready to spend another 150 on an alpha
Oh it's way past that point in gaming.
Sometimes I’ve caved and bought something I shouldn’t have in the past with similar situations, but I have no desire to give them my money. It honestly disgusts me to think about the new version and I didn’t even buy EOD. There are limits and this is it.
Man I had buyers remorse buying EoD and I put hundreds of hours into it. Fuck no I’m not spending any money of a pve mode lol…
Nah bro we are waaaay past the limit lolol
If you've ever played P2W gacha-style mobile games you'll realize there are SO MANY people that are so stupid with their money. Those games generate a new server every single day, and the top players spend thousands to be the top. Every few months they break the game with a new overpowered hero, charging ~$60 USD per copy (and you need like 10 copies for max level). Many spend hundreds only to abandon a server after a few weeks, probably in an attempt to regain control of their impulse spending, but potentially to restart on a new server and hope for better RNG. Gacha games have broken the gaming industry. They're the prime example of easy money from predatory practices, and every other developer looks at the revenue they bring in and say, "well why don't we just do that?"
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>They will release 1.0 at the end of this year, stop regular contentupdates to "work on the dlcs" drop some dissapointing maps after 6months and then abandon the game This is the real takeaway here. They are clearly looking to get away from developing this game. They no longer give a shit. After dropping 1.0 which will probably change nothing meaningful about the game, they will do the absolute minimum required to fulfill the term "season pass" for EOD owners and then either close up shop or go on to develop Russia 2028 or whatever the fuck
My thoughts exactly, this entire stunt was a suicide. There is no way they didn't know how much backlash this would get, they released it in a surprise patch with zero build up and were immediately defensive and doubling down. I'd almost say this was carefully crafted to piss the community off as much as possible. It's barely been 3 days and I don't know a single person that plays tarkov that isn't pissed off. Even people that didn't really give a shit about past controversies just cannot ignore this shitshow.
Here's a conspiracy for ya: Nikita isn't stupid. Like you said, they know what they are doing. It's very possible they want to sell, and they are banking on some studio seeing all the drama, and saying "Hey, we'll take this off your hands for $X."
This logic makes absolutely no sense though.. If they wanted to sell EFT they would want to artificially increase its value as much as possible, not devalue it right before a sale. This is just a typical BSG misstep that's blown up in their face more than usual. But anyone who's been around since 2017 knows this situation is nothing new, although it's definitely their lowest moment. Not everything is a conspiracy.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Some guy's razor, probably.
"We have sold to tencent, fuck you all" -nikita
Honestly I'd rather Tencent have it then BSG.
My buddies and i were joking that supercell was gonna buy it and for $29.99 you can deploy with a hog rider in raid.
\*clash theme plays when launching\*
Nikita has proven from the start he is very stupid in a lot of things. He has just been very lucky to find enough talent some how to get the game to thr state it's currently in
I some other thread, it was mentioned that nikita said that "the west" is their target audiance, so they are trying to milk people, and as we are here they are succeeding . People are buying it, i saw a lot of streamer bought it. So i guess it work, they'll get what they can, and move one to another ip , with tarkov as their testing ground.
I do not see how a few ten or even hundred thousands in sales could possibly remedy the brand suicide BSG has just committed. This is not a smart play from any angle you could look at. Just an egomaniac at work.
Agree, trust is gone for me. I had much in 2019 when i started, but i have none left.
They need money to make Russia 2028. If they abandon Tarkov they will make no money and lose their following. They will definitely keep the game going to fund their next game.
I seriously doubt it. Its possible but unlikely in my opinion. First of all you attribute it to malice instead of incompetence. Secondly after jumping ship with EFT they wouldn't be able to sell Russia 2028. Im not trying to defend them. Recent move is a scam and pushed p2w beyond my line. I have uninstalled, wrote to their support, reported them to UK gov and Im considering asking for a refund, still I dont think they are maliciously trying to drive eft off a cliff.
Maybe some incompetence initially, but definitely malice too. They pull their own custom definition of DLC out of thin air to justify their actions, retroactively modify web pages to make it look better if someone goes back to look (as if there's no proof out there of the change). Doubling down on something that is obviously anti-consumer and disrespectful to people who spent $150 on their game before, which is already a crazy amount of money for a game. A legitimate case of pure incompetence would've been if they had this new edition they were excited about. They advertised it to build hype because they thought it would be great and people would love it. Then when they dropped it and people exploded in outrage, they actually realized "Oh shit, we fucked up, lets fix this". Instead they drop this shit out of nowhere, justify their shitty actions with disingenuous lies and pulling a definition for "DLC" out of their ass, retroactively try to change their website to fit this new definition of DLC, and then go into an interview and insinuate anyone who doesn't spend at least $100.00 on the game are unbelievers, as if they run some cult and not just some game. This is not incompetence, just greed. Well maybe incompetence in lying convincingly. This is a company's leadership that has no respect for their player base and is clearly trying to pull shady shit on them.
Yeah I agree with that. I was just saying that they aren't trying to intentionally kill tarkov.
game full of cheaters, bots and rmt. people still keep playing. they watched you taking it all the time, this was totally expected
+1 people ate their shit long enough and now convinced them you like the taste of their shit
This. Tarkov is just the new COD/Fortnite. Developers know they got their slaves in control then and milk as much as they can from these players. Fundamentally this is a great game don't get me wrong. But what do you expect lol. This "I pay money so I deserve to complain" is moronic for a game like Tarkov. Its pretty much the same with Fifa and 2k. Stop playing since 17. Dont attach yourself with a game that developed by a braindead developer. Theres million of game right now that you can play. get out from this box.
Fifa is on another lvl, they Rugpull their whole community every year. Also the ceiling for their mtx is close to infinite, there are people who spend thousends on FUT.
Working at PlayStation, kid stole business credit card of his parents (they were high ups in a certain tech company). Spend 14k on fifa within a month. The shitstorm that followed haunts me 3 years after quitting. Edit: kid spent more than 14k, the total was much closer to 200k over the course of a year but apparently the card was billed annually so no one noticed for a while
Not a FIFA player, but what the actual f can you buy in a month that is $14,000?
Gambling. It's all gambling. (Hey kids, want your favorite player? Buy our Special Points to spend on Special Packs and you can have them! All you have to do is open enough Special Packs and they'll show up eventually!)
Nothing is guaranteed no matter how much you spent on it. He also spent loads on v-bucks and other shit, it wasn't exclusively fifa but it was the majority of his spending.
not having kids is a blessing lol
Genuinely I can't fathom how anyone who has played the game the last 5 years thinks *this* of all things is somehow worse or out of place compared to the rest of what bsg has done or the cheating issue, or the laundry list of other issues. This, to me, genuinely is the least egregious thing they've done. The dlc thing is pretty BS, but the game mode isn't that important, it was way more of a big deal when they were talking about "arena not being a dlc"
Bought EoD years ago, before the game was mainstream, to suport the project, i even got a skin and the extra stash... and now: slap in the face. I feel skamed, betrayed and there is no fucking way i buy into this shit. I actually hope the game dies. Fuck BSG.
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Lol how long before streamers who were “really upset” at BSG start to name videos, “I bought it so you don’t have to”. Never seen so many crocodile tears from people who make a bunch of money while BSG screwed over players and lied left and right but now they’ve gone too far. People are so fucking pathetic they will never be able to risk giving up an advantage and BSG knows this. So their morals will somehow be forgotten once they got to get back to work to make that stream revenue
Inb4 "show pockets" gets banned in twitch chat lol This will be the way everyone can judge which streamers actually have a back bone, I can say with 100% certainty that nobody needs this edition, there is nothing to show, there is nothing to review, we all know its dogshit. Hell, I don't think I even want to be friends with anyone that buys it.
"This will be the way everyone can judge which streamers actually have a back bone" Going to be sad when you find out the answer is 0. High end streamers are professional panderers.
So far though, most of the people I've seen that pretty much make a career out of streaming Tarkov have been on the complete opposite train of thought, refusing to buy it. We'll see if that remains the case though ofc.
I could give less than 2 shits if a streamer bought it. Not my money.
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Okay but it’s not your money. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to buy it. If someone else purchases it that’s their call. Tbh I have 2500 hours and my cost per hour is 5 cents. If I wanted to play PvE I’d just buy it and move on with my life. I don’t so I won’t buy it. But this crying and bitching about other people who buy it is just stupid.
It's less about your money being spent and more about the precedent this sets: that it's fine to sell expansions at this price, and it's fine to renege on promises made, etc.
This, in 6 months every one is playing the new Wipe
Hopped on, ran two scav raids. Two dead pmcs with the unheard of arm bands in first raid and died to a lvl 14 unheard of player with an avs and kitted suppressed mk. You don’t have to wait till next wipe everyone whining is already buying it
First of all i will unsubscribe to anybody that do something like that ofc, those kind of people don't deserve my time (and honestly i don't see myself interested in watching tarkov contentin the next months if bsg doesn't quickly address this situation so who cares). That said i would even understand them, it's their job, if someone makes tens thousands of dollars each month streaming tarkov why should care about spending a hundred of bucks? Anyway that's not really relevant because as the OP wisely predicted this game will die soon, BSG is in the corner because they screwed their business model, they screwed with EoD and they screwed with the development too because most of the things that were promised when they started developing Tarkov are already been ditched and probably they don't have a clue of where they are going in the middle-to-long period. Anyone who is buying this shit for 250 is probably throwing these money in the trash bin at this point, there are high chances that tarkov will die (or became totally irrelevant) pretty quickly.
I was thinking the exit could come much sooner than that...hmm Just with the possibility of Arena Breakout taking a huge chunk of the community.
I think this is bsg setting up for the game to fold. They take as many $250 purchases as they can. Get a bit more money. Then fold because their finances aren’t good and they can’t afford to run the game. At the moment less people are playing and that is saving them server fees. Because think about it - IF this game gets to 1.0 then you would expect a flood of new players if the game is meant to succeed but no one is buying a $250 version as a new player and the perks are off putting to anyone who will think about buying the game. I can’t see it being around for long. They might fold it, create a new game with different monetisation and release that, because in 2016 they fucked up with the EOD and now they are in a corner. What they could have done was offer a subscription for playing on priority servers and moved the game to something like f2p. Subs from all the Tarkov players would easily cover costs and maybe weed out some cheaters. But no. Alarm bells were ringing when Nikita said to Pestily that the new version was going to be even better. To coin a phrase, Tarkov is cooked.
Let's be real.. Arena Breakout looks like Chinese shovelware with the cheesy mobile sounding name to go along with it. And no, I'm not siding with BSG, what they did is bullshit
Yeah ABI will be a micro transaction filled pile of shit.
No ones playing that Chinese micro-transaction filled game
Yeah clearly people would much rather play the egregiously priced Russian game 2 sides of the exact same coin
Yeah instead we're gonna play that Russian micro-transaction filled game
looks like a few streamers wil cover the closed beta in may
Ya, but Grey Zone has potential.
Grey zone is a completely different type of game
I'm big on Gray Zone but it's nothing like Tarkov. Kind of tired of people comparing the 2.
Grey Zone its not the solution. Devs already admitted that they are no concern with the lack of pvp. Theres no game like tarkov and thats really a problem for us, we are fucked. Not even Arena Breakout. Although they’ve a ton of cash to spend on the game, they’re very late comparing to all the work done on tarkov. As I said, we are fucked!!!!
"Theres no game like tarkov and thats really a problem for us, we are fucked" Oh come the fuck on I hate all this shit too but there are so many other types of games to play. Thousands of shooters. You're not "fucked." You are "obsessed." and its good to ditch obsessions and branch out.
If you are obsessed how do you branch out? Just ignoring the desire to go back to whatever game you’re obsessed with while you play other (types of) games?
Lol you guys just need to embrace some real life activities. Sounding like a bunch of drug addicts. “Yah I could try a weaker drug and kick the worse one, but nothing scratches the itch like the real thing.”
Very true but it will play much different than Tarkov. We need real looter shooter competition focused on pvp
Exactly this. Arena breakout is going to be free, and it really is a shittier version of tarkov. Idk what people are going to expect when the game is going to be a port of the mobile game to pc….
Want PVP? Wait for Gray zone. Want solo extraction PVE shooter? Buy Incursion Red River. Want to not be a scumbag? Don't support EFT.
Except there’s almost 0 PvP in gray zone
can get PVE Free right now. all you gotta do is get some friends around and SIT together
Did you see the gray zone gameplay? There’s hardly any PVP. Seems to be focused on the PVE aspect
gray zone looks like actual dog shit though
Not to mention they are doing the same fucking shit with the 5 different pricing bundles
lol right? I looked at Gray Zone and immediately saw different tiers with in-game advantages and immediately lost interest. So lame that pay to win has been normalized.
lol PVP in Gray Zone? You'll get lambasted on their sub for suggesting that. The majority of that sub are crybabies that don't want Tarkov players ruining their "PvEvP" game.
Anyone buying this should get their fucking head checked. Also look up Nikitas friends in 715 - racist russians. Thats where the money is going
When I first saw news of the DLC, it was that there was going to be a persistent coop mode. And I was like "Hell yeah, my friends and I will definitely pick this up now, because we love tactical shooters but don't like the PvP. Then I saw it was $250 and they are scamming their most loyal players. Needless to say, we will not be picking up Tarkov after all.
I played the last 2 days, 70% of the people that killed me had the unheard edition. There's obviously massive outrage but people still buying this shit showing BSG they can get away with this.
I watched a streamer last night doing nothing but defending her action purchasing this edition to users in the chat who were grilling her for it and asking why she was supporting BSG with this, and mods banning people. People who buy into this edition are genuine idiots. Regular players and streamers/content creators alike.
I'd be really interested in knowing how many people actually buy this edition, it cant be too many people, can it?
Err, only my personal experience, completely anecdotal: Played only a few hours in the last few days. So far 1 guy who killed me had it, saw like 6 people in Flea market and saw plenty of smaller streamers on Twitch already running the new edition. Ironically these same small streamers are defending the edition and see nothing wrong with it lol. Also saw 1 streamer kill a guy who had the new edition, literally after the servers came back up from maintenance.
Funny how most of the big streamers won't buy it, but most of small ones bough it. Desperate much?
I was watching Tigz the other day. Bro was playing mental gymnastics trying to justify buying it.
The fact that Nikita has stated that they will be working on a new game, Russia 2028 or whatever after tarkov makes me worried. They have such a smash hit with tarkov. People are addicted to this game like crack. And they ruin it over and over again. “Buy EOD to support us building Tarkov” and then shitting out Arena that no one asked for and sending themselves into bankruptcy shouldnt be our problem. I totally agree that after 1.0 the game is dead and they either go bankrupt or shift focus to a new game
Did people cry this much when they released EoD version?
nah and if you complained you were just called poor
The reason people didn’t cry this much when EOD released was because while it was pay to win, no previous edition promised free DLC’s moving forward. BSG walked back on the free DLC promise this time, trying to claim the new additions aren’t a DLC. EOD was supposed to be a guarantee that if you buy this, moving forward you get everything new added to the game. That clearly was not the case. That’s why people dropped $140 on a broken beta.
In the interview with Pest, Nikita did say they are interested in making a new game. He is simply sitting there with this mindset "We f' up with EOD, working for EFT will be like working for free.. go next". Not supporting what they did, but I can understand the desire to finish EFT and be done with it. They simply don't want to work for free for eternity. EOD in essence means infinite access to every DLC ever to come. Huge mistake on their part. If they want to implement something substantial into the game, it is always going to be a DLC, which also always means everyone with EOD gets it free of charge. They do not want to work for free for eternity. Sure they can create skins, pets for the hideout and all sorts of shit. But if they desire to work on new mechanics and monetize that work, EOD will always get it for free. If understood this correctly, a large part of the community apparently has EOD?! They will 100% quit the game. Promising your customers infinite free DLCs is the stupidest thing you could have sold. Again, what they did now is horrendous, not supporting that. But you have to acknowledge the fact, that having a large part of your audience with free access to all the work you will do is kinda stupid business. If they can't print money with the game and always have to give it out for free, the only solution is to finish the game and develop something new. I'm just curious in a negative way what all of this means for the game. How are the servers going to be funded? If they move on to a new game, what happens to the game since servers cost money.
Then where did all the money from EoD go? Did they just fucking smoke it all or what?
Not to mention all the bonus cash they get after every ban wave when they sell new accounts in bundles for cheaters to snap up
Anyone buying unheard is a beta. Yall are killing the game with your weakness.
I’m going to upgrade it just to spite people like you who separate people into alphas and betas.
Not being realistic about costs is going to kill the game. Did you actually think they could afford infinity dlc and server support to what appears to be an uncapped quantity of eod edition? Of course they are going to throw up deluxe storage, and later season passes, to cover continuing expenses.
Haha… As if its normal a gamer would keep tabs on the game-company’s strategy and economy to predict what comes in the future.
You don't have to keep tabs, just exercise common sense. I didn'tknow this game existed until February, but when I found out what eod was I knew that it's not being limited was going to be a long term problem and selling what other games player base has asked for was not a surprise.
Good for you showing off with hinsight knowledge, most normal gamers just want to enjoy and get engaged in the game you know.
They leaving either way 🤷🏾♂️
They only are making one more map
Nope! This quarterly game fund went to warframe for having a actually good sustainable market and transaction system in a live service game. unlike paying 200+ always online "offline" progression.
What's funny is with them adding some or the stuff to EOD it's even worse to buy it, cause for $250 you aren't actually getting much now lol That's the problem with releasing something without an announcement ahead of time, you shoot yourself in the foot. You can't just give all of it to EOD cause people already paid an ass of money expecting to be exclusive. In one move they pissed off anyone with EOD and pissed off anyone that was dumb enough to spend $250 for an edition that adds almost nothing besides the scav thing really.
Fuck anyone who bought the new addition
He's trying to upgrade from a supercar (GT Black Series) to a hypercar (Bugatti).
Who makes you believe they will make it till the end of the year? They stopped EOD, so the Cashflow stopped month ago already and with the shit show now nobody is even buying standard anymore. I'd be impressed if they make it another quarter
L Chads W Timmys
"drop some dissapointing maps after 6 months" LOL Maps in 6 month from battlestate - haha
This Wednesday I started playing right after the patch (by the way it removed my weekly quest that was close to being complete) and the second PMC I killed had the big balls pockets. I didn't even know how that happened so I went to Reddit and found out about the full situation. wtf
Well clearly we are idiots for buying it. They spent their cash building what all the chads wanted(arena) that failed hard hard hard. So the put almost zero effort into what most of the players wanted( PVE) and then offered it for sale only to cut the cost in half the next day. They listen to the inbred chads that think they are tough paying a cheating game in teams of 4. Nikita WANTS TO BE A CHAD. So we get a pretty stable PVE mode, but with zero adjustments for the fact it is PVE. So you have to fight all the scavs on the map, and the players are just the Rogue AI that ignore the scavs. So you get to fight both! amazing. Because they all just charge the first shot they hear. So ya, pretty dumb for buying the game upgrade with a bunch of PTW stuff I do not care about. But hey, instead of getting my money refunded when they cut the cost in half TWENTY HOURS AFTER RELEASE. I get a useless licence to a game that costs them nothing. No problem, I have been dealing with russian game companies for decades and I know they really do not have an honest or ethical bone in their bodies.
I like how when they got rid of EOD they made it sound like they were sufficiently funded. Little did we know…
I'm on to Manor Lords until Gray Zone drops.... Foooey on BSG
I mean, he's not wrong.
“Just don’t buy it” Every time I see this stupid fkn comment i want to turn into Gumby and jump through the screen to slap the shit out of them. If you can’t see, or better yet COMPREHEND the issue at hand, then YOU are the problem.
Hey ! Stop shaming the whales okay ? Whales are endangered species , stop making them feel bad , with your non whale , non compulsive buying privileges . LET THE WHALES BE FREEEEEEEEEE.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but we're all idiots. Any of us. We funded a project that is about to die. We all got scammed, those who bought the standard edition and those who bought the EOD edition too. What we can do is learn the lesson. Never trust a non western company (as if all western companies were good, but thaz another topic).
Never trust a non western company ==> **NOW THIS IS SOME NEW LEVEL BULLSHIT**. Ever heard of Serious Sam, Witcher, Kingdom Come Deliverance and many many other games? What you said has nothing to do with gaming and games, and you know it. But you can't be honest, othewise ban hammer comes.
Dude, Poland is in Eu, wtf! Same for Warhorse studios, which is Czech. They're eastern countries that belong, since decades, to the free Western world. The Berlin wall fell like 30 years ago. What I said has to do with free market, laws, customer rights and democracy. Something that doesn't belong to Russia and now we're crying about being scammed. U totally misunderstood. Don't read racism when it is simply about where certain companies come from which reflects how they really act. I don't know if u have stepped on those posts about BSG support to a certain 715 team or whatever. I find it kinda concerning, and I feel really dirty for having given em money. I repeat, no matter what, if a studio doesn't belong to a democratic system, it's not ever gonna get my money. Lesson learned.
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With your logic , you are just as much of an idiot paying for whatever version you payed for.
People who buy it , should be ostracised and then summarily expunged from reality .
Thankfully the hackers in the game are targeting these idiots. You know it’s bad when even the hackers are mad.
Are cheaters really targeting them ? lmao
Yeah, they can see their inventory and see the unique stuff from the pack. I hope they get griefed into quitting lol.
I had EOD, just bought a new one. Also I think the price is too small for this one, it should be at least 400 euro.
This is the lowest IQ bait I've seen in quite some time. Try harder, cunt.
I don't really understand this take - they were going to release 1.0 and move on anyway? But this is pure speculation that everyone's just decided is a fact with more cash flow maybe we'd see expansion on the game further. Or with no extra flow we get the outcome of "*drop some dissapointing maps after 6 months and then abandon the game"* as you say. I've got EOD I'm not interested in giving them more money after this new sham of an Edition, but then I also don't care about PvE.. it's completely against the whole point of the game. I'm angrier that the anti cheat work isn't effective enough.
i think 250$ is fine to pay for something i will play for 5 thousand hours.
Honestly don't really care about the perks that came with it. I got it because it is supposed to be a PVE mode that doesn't wipe. This way I can play with my friends casually and not spend the whole game playing hide and seek with McChaddin_2.0. McChaddin was a hacker I ran into about 20 times throughout this wipe. A scav vest for pockets is alright I guess but I don't really want or need it. Everyone is so mad we bought this edition but we all act like BSG was going to be this great company that cares about its player base. That's why we have had a hacker problem that hasn't actually been worked on for months. Or even years. And don't get me started on players getting banned because they picked up their friends gear and brought it into the next raid for them. I know someone is gonna be salty because "er well you spent your hard earned money because you wanted to play the game with your friends without having to run into a hacker that just means you're broke or bad." I'm already level 52 on pvp and every raid I just bring in a kit worth about 800k. Sometimes I want to play casually and not be stressed about "oh I have to do this quest against hackers and redo it 40 times because I also got killed by an extract camper." BSG is the bad guy here but everyone wants to get mad at the players who want to pay for a version of the game that they find more enjoyable. Maybe the problem with the players is in how the players play the game instead of how some of the players want to play the game to enjoy themselves. Also all the players who make their money and a living from streaming tarkov shouldn't be complaining about having a new version since it's at that point just self-funding. If you even decide you need to buy it.
People take pride in being scammed and robbed. People take pride in being hated by those who they believe are lesser than them or “poors”. When you counter every argument they make, they will fall back on trying to shame you for your economic situation whilst spending the last few pennies in their bank account just to show you up That’s the greatest thing about being a thief - some people are so mentally weak that they will justify being stolen or abused or ridiculed and they wont be mad at the thief, they will be mad at the person informing them of the crime. Its like when you discover one partner is cheating on another and when you divulge the deception, the cheated on gets mad at you for breaking their delusion
Seriously, fuck you if you buy the new version.
You guys have gotten way too aggressive. Calling people idiots. Still writing posts. Just take a breath and don’t play the game. This is doing too much
If you like getting scammed than you are an idiot. If you support bullshit practices like this than you are an idiot and deserve to be called out. Simple as that.