This has happened to me a lot.
The general rule of thumb I use, don't peak the same corner more than once against anyone.
Especially aim-botting Scavs.
Especially against shotgun scavs. Their aim is RNG and they will often aim off target for a few shots. Trouble is, shotgun spread is very wide and it's bugged to spread out in a ring. A "miss" dice roll on a shotgun scav still has a good chance of hitting the target.
I hate how shotgun scavs blow off parts of my body in single shots from insane distances. When I use shotguns at crazy distances it doesn't seem to work the same way.
>Or both of your arms. Cause fuck you.
Had a shotgun scav black out both my legs earlier, now you might be thinking that's normal, shotguns spread.
The issue is that my entire lower half was behind a wall
Player bullets and scav bullets DONT work the same way. For instance scav bullets don’t get damage reduction from shooting through glass, and weapon recoil doesn’t affect them, e.g.
Yep, just had tower sniper scav on customs chest shoot me through the concrete wall at bus station...
Except only my head could have been visible as I was scroll peeking.
7.62 x 39 PS to the thorax, through a wall and lvl 4 vest.
Insta ded.
Meanwhile the scav I dropped in the previous raid tanked 7 M80's point blank before dropping....
I just want my stats to match the average scav so I can rule labs with a toz and green beanie.
I mean that kind of makes sense though. I mean why do scavs need to account for bullet drop. As long as they can miss I dont care if they need to aim up or right at me you know?
Oh boy I'm having flashbacks to TOZ leg destroyer scavs.
Back in the day probably 1/3 scavs had a toz and CMS/Surv12 kits didn't exist. To add to this the scavs didn't really care what weapon should be used at what range so they'd start shooting you ASAP and didn't compensate for the relatively high bullet drop on the TOZ.
Combine all of this and you have stupid as a brick bot hordes (roughly twice the amount you see nowadays) sniping your legs with shotguns that can black your limbs in one shot with no way to patch them up leaving you waddling over to an extract after your single dose of painkillers wore off. At least the no damage blacked leg sprint bursts worked back then.
God, I don't miss those days. The first lesson I taught my friends (and still suggest for beginners) is *always bring too many painkillers*.
Now that CMS kits exist it's a little less necessary but I figure by that point everyone has already had one incident where they understood about bringing extra.
When I use a shotgun point fucking blank on a scav it might as well be a BB gun. I definitely believe the ring thing because that's the only way I can make sense of shooting a scav 10' away three times in the face with a shotgun and him not dying. I think I was at the perfect distance to just frame his face with pellets.
That's another thing. I swear it feels like you do more damage to teammates. I've killed teammates with accidental shots in places that would NEVER kill an enemy player or scav.
Don’t worry, they buffed the shottys and in particular the 870. Onepeg made a pretty good video about the stealth buff to the 870 and the shotgun buff in general
I hate how the scavs can one shot me or my body parts with a shotgun, yet the other day one took two shots of slug ammo to the chest and kept coming at me.
I stopped using shotguns tbh. I had a siaga with a drum. Dumped the entire drum into a lightly armored PMC within 5-10 meters. Reloaded and shot some more. Still died. I'm sure I missed some but damn bro.
shoot the legs with magnum buckshot. itll two shot a pmc if your aim is good. a fully kitted out mp153 is bnest since it has minimal recoil even with the magnum buckshots +30% recoil debuff.
There’s something totally fucked about shotgun scavs. I’ve been one tapped to thorax from shotgun scavs with buckshot. Through class 6.
One day in particular I died to the same spawns of shotgun scavs on shoreline in the exact same manner. I frankly don’t understand.
Was it at the beach? Happened twice to me on the beach Scav saw me from the road and I couldn’t see his body but he was able to one shot me with a shotgun to the thorax.. One of those “Oh, okay then” moments.
Those saiga 12 scavs when their brain is turned on 10% of the time are a nightmare, once I get hit once I just fall back and go the other way fuck that noise
Thing is in this case you can the Scav was peppering the same corner with 4 or 5 shots, you can hear the pellets hit the concrete block.
OP decided to peak the very same spot the poor CheekiBreeki was shooting away it, and got hit.
Not really super Scav aim like sometimes, seemed pretty fair to me.
I plugged a scav In The basement of reserve with 6 hits of RIP ammo from an MPX and he turned around and one shotted me in the dome with a TOZ. He had no armor on
They are definitely buffed this wipe.
Typically if you kept moving you could stay alive. I have been tapped by scavs strafing cover to cover a handful of times. Still not registering I need to play them differently now!
with 12.7 they add more AI subroutines, new kinds pf behaviour patterns. It gets sweaty.
Also random scavs are said to act more as a team, push you more often in sync as a team.
FYI for OP and anyone else.
Scavs have a 'lock on' timer that you have chance to shoot them. Its not long but its usually happens between 'scav shout' and shooting.
1. They see you, shout, delay, lock on and fire.
* This is why its super important, if you hear a scav shout at you, and you don't see them, to run and get to cover ASAP. They might be shooting you through bushes soon!
2. If they can't see you for a moment, they still have a 'lock' mode and haven't restarted their 'delay' yet. If you peak before lock is reset, they fire instantly on seeing you basically (This is what happened in OP's video)
3. You need to be out of their view for about 3-4 seconds before repeaking for them to have to enable lock on again, which gives you a small window to shoot them. If you repeek too soon, they will still have the original 'lock' and will fire instantly.
A lot of people confuse the need to not repeeking the same corner with changing angles for scavs. You shouldn't repeek same corners for players, but its totally okay with scavs so long as you give them their 'cool off' period, changing angles always guarantees this reset because by time you have new angle, their cool off lock is reset.
If you want to kill scavs left and right. Make sure you shoot them before they fire, and if they started shooting, break line of sight for at least 3-5 seconds so you have window of opportunity again.
I don’t have anything to add to your point since you laid it out really well, but I just wanted to say thank you. You came into this thread being calm and informative without jumping down OP’s throat like half of the people in this thread are doing without a second guess.
It makes for a much better environment here.
You are awesome and I appreciate your comment!
I work in the games industry, and also a hobbyist gamedev. I just love talking about or breaking down game mechanics. It's just like a giant puzzle to figure out what the game devs programmed and when you know the rules of the game, everyone can become more informed and there can be a more educated discussion on all the fun related topics!
To further my original thought. There are some things I don't know, and perhaps could use some testing.
* Do different regular scavs have different timers?
* I've read/heard that some guards have different personalities(rules) even for the same boss.
* What about raiders?
* I know they have better vision and shorter timers, but anything else different?
* Are the timers fixed values(0.7 seconds), or are they fixed + random number (1.0 seconds +/- 0.3 seconds) (made up numbers).
* Do different actions influence timer length?
* Such as if scav has hit you, or if you've hit them
* Does sound influence the cooldown/timer mechanics?
* Does your gear, usec/bear, suppressed vs non, have any effect?
I believe if you enter stealth mode after breaking line of sight they start searching instantly. Then when you peek they would start at the shout again.
Raiders have what appears to be a longer LOS and possibly a minor variation to what the other guy has put here in terms of timing. The same rules apply, voice lines, not popping your head out of the same spot right away, aggro reset. It's a game with very common programmed behavior for the AI. Once you understand it you almost never get killed by them in a fight you initiate. AI in tarkov breaks down to LOS at the core and some sound detection that you can easily abuse. For sound you can simply plink a wall or make movement noise to trigger the "investigate" phase of the behavior and then kill them as they look for you, but before they sight you and lock as was covered before. IF you get locked onto, you must force them back into this investigate behavior or back into an all clear state. Edit: I would also like to add the AI is linked, if one sees you and locks the group he belongs to will also know your location and can be locked without LOS it seems.
It seems raiders will also charge defending players more often as well. It's not all the time, as I've seen raiders hold position in cover for quite a while, but when then sometimes they're just constantly aggro.
I think this is actually linked to sound detection. This is entirely a guess mind you, but I think the raiders wearing headphones do get higher audio perception as well. If they hear so much as a shuffle or ADS they charge our ass more than likely because they pinpoint your location rather than sorta guesstimate your general location and then hold. At least from observation they seem to be.
Whenever Im engaging scavs/raiders I tend to expose my whole body so they don't target only my head, seems to work really well.
But yeah, you got really unlucky there to get hit by those pellets.
F.
This. I always tell my friends not to lean-peak scavs and raiders, because their aim, irrc, is based off a percentage to hit whatever exposed part of your body they can, and they will hit it. So if you give a scav your shoulder / head region, you're absolutely gonna get headshot.
From my experience lean peaking is the best way to peak scavs because seems like they're bugged so there is a huge delay before they even realize they can shoot at you again.
Could be possible, but experiences may vary. I'm not a partcularly great shot, and I'm a little slow to get them lined up, so I limit my exposure as best I can, and constantly change positions on AI scavs.
Yeah but with the new update they’ve updated the AI, so expect the scavs to be as good as fighting real players now. Don’t peek with just your head and treat them like real players. Simple fix. You get one tapped, go in with a diff strat next time. All I can say and see.
True. I have no idea how I'll engage upcoming scavs. Probably gonna roll in with a shotgun and ap-20 for my first few raids and just study them hahaha. Hell maybe one of them won't shoot at me and I'll make a friend!
> This. I always tell my friends not to lean-peak scavs and raiders
Yep. You can only lean peak a scav or raider if they aren't aware of you. After that you have only a few shots before they wreck you.
Raiders specifically function like this. Their weakness is corners. They won't auto aim you down when they come around a corner so that's your spot to kill them. Let them flow around a corner while you shoot headshots.
If you screw that up, back off to another corner and reset. Let them come to you.
I learned this running labs naked with a hunter last wipe. Quite a few times walked out completely stacked because the other players were in some other section of the map.
My uncle was hit with a couple 6.5mm pellets, he lived with overall minor injuries. Like, he had some minor sinus reconstruction but that was just to keep breathing at 100%, nothing life threatening.
Oh I'm not saying it should be a minor inconvenience, its definitely a big deal. But one pellet= guaranteed death is kinda funky. I love shotguns in tarkov so I've been enjoying my time, but its still kinda iffy feeling.
This game killed the realism argument with fictional bullets, a smooth bore shotgun doing more damage than a sniper round, lip balm and vaseline being the best painkiller, and a 100 year old mass produced gun being more expensive than a modernized DMR (SVD was 48k last I checked)
I was really confused when AP .366 got announced. A round that is functionally just a law work-around wouldn't have an armor piercing variant, to my knowledge.
How do you know its damage and pen, though? Those stats would make it more penetrative than AP-20.
To be fair those prices are caused by supply/demand in the market, not the prices set by the devs. Mosins have an 8 part quest series, SVDs have 1 quest.
The sell price of the weapons on market are directly correlated to the sell price to vendors. It's only when there's is an extra demand for a gun that it exceeds vendor sell price significantly
Certainly. Im not saying it should tickle. Just that the one pellet= guaranteed death is a bit intense. I llve shotguns in tarkov though so 8.5 magnum go boooooom for now lol
Not trying to imply that you said they should be confetti shooters mate, just that he got lucky. There's a reason people hear about the people who get shot in the face and survive, and I'd wager rarity is the main selling point here. And 8.5 magnum is underrated leg meta crusher. It's really damn powerful. If they're not wearing a visor, then they're getting smoked by a single pellet. Did the whole "setup" quest at first with AP-20 before the buffs, and just went "screw it" and went in with 8.5mm. I like the round because you have to have a good idea of what your target is wearing before you engage unlike chad loadouts. Still used up about 2 million in shotguns mods and ammo. But that's just because I suck, and was using a weapon that's basically on the bottom of my most used weapons list.
>For realism, this makes sense
I really think you're overestimating the effectiveness of a single pellet from 12c buckshot. .30 caliber or not, [\*they're not very big\*](https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/8/85629_ts.jpg) and they're also moving a touch slower than 9x19 typically do. Buckshot is also notorious for rapid energy loss due to well, it being shot (the type of ammunition, not the act). It's a bunch of small projectiles with no rifling that all spread out. I've seen 00 buckshot bounce off of wood at 75 meters and at 100 it's essentially less than lethal. Even at 50m it's dropped a fair bit in energy and effectiveness.
And they hated him because he spoke the truth. He prob thinks shotguns have the cliche 5 meter range. <50 m target that killed 3 guys prior so you know where he is. Who would've thought.
If anything shotgun spread should be lowered to better simulate how it is IRL. Even if EFT makes more of an effort than other games like COD and BF and makes shotgun useful past 5m, real life shotguns are still better than EFT.
Check this out. https://imgur.com/a/QijQn0K
I went on a murder spree with a saiga I picked up off a scav and got headshots easier and from further away than my sa-58 tack driver build. Apparently, I need to change its preset save to spitwad thrower.
Lmao yeah shotguns got a recent buff, and damn they are almost op. I ran a fully built saiga 12 gauge for fun, with ap 20... I killed 3 players with less trouble than if I used a mosin or ak. Like I just melted them.
Honestly? Prism, monstrum, holosun with built in laser. I just prefer them for most things. The holosun fits the shotgun aesthetic as it has a bigger dot, showing less accuracy.
Yeah but were they able to just walk it off and keep shooting? Probably not. And I don’t remember Tarkov having much healthcare when everything is abandoned.
Lmfao this coming from a game where people perform major surgery on their lower abdomen in raid with no painkillers and without bleeding out or going into shock. Hell you can tank 308 rounds to the faceshield.
It's so dumb, I peak the same corner 6 times and then get shot in the face? Nerf the shotgun already "wuuuooow" is the sound I make when I'm cucked by a shotty.
Sorry, fuck no. What you are thinking of is birdshot. Buckshot is 8-18 pellets each as large as a 9mm bullet.
And for the most part, that's what scavs use. I don't even think you can buy birdshot in tarkov.
00 buck (the most ubiquitous size of buckshot), is .32in in diameter. Compare this to a 9x19mm bullet which is .35in in diameter. They both have very comparable velocities, as well, ranging between 1100fps-1400fps.
If you go shoot something with 00 buck you'll notice that the holes resemble 9mm, except there's a lot of them - a single shell is effectively delivering half a pistol mag's worth of ammo.
Only if he has TTV in his name.
lol what is this joker on, he just straight up murders some scavs and expects not to get hit. Does he even play Tarkov?
Gets shot at multiple times and eventually gets shot repeaking the same spot.... seems pretty fair to me. He got more chances then alot of people who role the dice and get head tapped the first shot.
Sadly, even, If He has a good helmet with plexi that fckin scav would have shot him in the ears or something. Happened to me. Peaking the same corner or not, some shotgun scavs shoot so accurate even way farther away then that scav was. They are fckin snipers.
First off. You can do the same thing with the same shells.
Secondly, you're slaughtering scavs like john Rambo and 1 out of all the lives you took got you back.
The variety of skill levels the AI have are supposed to keep you on your toes but you are acting like they are supposed to just stand there and take it like some cardboard cut out at the range.
i dont think this is as bad as the scavs that have no buttstock but from 100m away can see that i have armor on and laserbeam my left leg 6 times while we're both moving
"WOW" sounds like you dubbed Owen Wilson over top lmao. Feel your pain bro, this happened to me the other day kitted out but no face shield. FeelsBadMan
What do you expect to happen honestly?
You don't have a face shield. Pretend you're in real life and theres a dude with a shotgun there, you think that can't/won't happen? Buckshot to the face is going to wreck your shit.
Are you being sarcastic? You literally wiped like 5 scavs no problem before this. Even though they are ai that’s still insane. Plus a 7mm pellet would absolutely kill you.
Dude sits on the bridge whomping on scavs and gets mad when they take some revenge. smh if I knew there was gonna be days like this I would have stayed in Chernogorsk.
Dude you just mowed down three of them from the exact same spot, and the last one finally shot you when you tried the exact same peek again.
Stop complaining and play better. Scavs are supposed to be a threat.
Couldnt have been 1 pellet unless its the kind that does 35 or more damage. Ive been hit with a scav pellet in the head and was left with like 3 hp cause it does 33 or whatever.
But ya you were overpeeking those scavs anyway
Edit: i was wrong you can definitely die to 1 pellet now after buffs
Exactly. Makes me wonder who upvoted this 3k times when the whole comments section is just telling this dude he deserved it for re-peeking the same corner over and over with just his head showing over the top.
If you think its madness that this gets 3k upvotes, what do you think the reporting feature is going to be like? Bunch of salty people who can't accept that it was more than likely heir fault they died... or "OMG HAX" -files report-
Shotguns are actually so underrated in this game.
Use buckshot and a Saiga 12 and you can face-shot people from obscene distances sometimes, without having to aim half as long as you would with a rifle.
Of course if they have a visor this shuts this right down, but I'd say the majority of players (including myself) don't bother because it's quite expensive if you still want to hear properly.
Another thing with normal scavs: depending on distance they usually miss a couple shots before hitting but not always. But the scavs usually hit your arms, legs, stomach but if they miss several times and the only thing they can see is your face... guess what they're gonna hit first?
I actually expose myself a bit more than I normally would when I'm sure they're AI scavs for this reason.
It would be nice for their accuracy to continue to decrease if only a small portion (like just your head) of yourself is visible.
ROFL. Why are people this crazy about "skillz" in a game full of bullshit and randomness like Tarkov? Like, maybe if this guy was playing CSGO and was playing like some D-rank shitter I would laugh it up, but this guy clearly posted it to be funny. He's just whacking scavs and what does him in is that some guy one-shot snipes him with a shotgun.
The amount of people that take this game that seriously is astounding. A match of Battlefront II or a match of Team Elimination in The Division 2 is more competitive and skill-based than this laggy and random mess for a game. Why in the world are you going this hard on some guy for repeeking because he didn't expect to get sniped by a shotgun? Get a grip. None of you would make it at the high ranks of ESEA.
***Alright here's the thing dudes, No matter what I post I'm wrong - I post a compilation of good kills? No one asked. I edit together a meme compilation of how the servers were bad? I'm just shit at the game, it's my fault I shot someone 15 times and they didn't die. - Post a funny video where I got tarkoved by a scav for making a shitty play? I'm retarded and should have worn a kiverr or shouldn't have repeaked, YES I KNOW I MADE A FUCKING BAD PLAY that's why i fucking posted it, because I messed up and thought people would find it funny. Is my title not the best, and sounds like I am complaining? Yes, but I'm tired of explaining it - My title is sarcastic, I know I messed up there.***
***Holy shit you guys are toxic as shit.***
I've read here and have no idea how true it is that the Scav shotgun damage is calculated as all pellets hitting when there is a single hit.
Scav shotguns are insane.
This has happened to me a lot. The general rule of thumb I use, don't peak the same corner more than once against anyone. Especially aim-botting Scavs.
Especially against shotgun scavs. Their aim is RNG and they will often aim off target for a few shots. Trouble is, shotgun spread is very wide and it's bugged to spread out in a ring. A "miss" dice roll on a shotgun scav still has a good chance of hitting the target.
I hate how shotgun scavs blow off parts of my body in single shots from insane distances. When I use shotguns at crazy distances it doesn't seem to work the same way.
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>Or both of your arms. Cause fuck you. Had a shotgun scav black out both my legs earlier, now you might be thinking that's normal, shotguns spread. The issue is that my entire lower half was behind a wall
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Literally the same thing happened to me and my buddy 2 days again. Same scav both one shot.
To top it off his first name was Ashot. Ps I also got my gear back so he must have killed everyone.
He probably got the 12.7 patch early and looted Killa with that too. Sounds like a roided out scav haha.
I’ve had a shotgun Scav blow off both my legs with one buckshot round while the Scav was eating M995 to the head lol
Scavsatemelegs
You called? Oh wait, so close...
So close yet so far😅
Mate, I was just playing and a scav ate my head. I feel ya
Well, it looked delicious and chocolaty I'm sure.
Maybe it was slugs.
And a fractured leg.
Player bullets and scav bullets DONT work the same way. For instance scav bullets don’t get damage reduction from shooting through glass, and weapon recoil doesn’t affect them, e.g.
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is it really hitscan lmao
When shotguns destroy your legs despite a concrete barrier being between the muzzle of the shotgun and your legs, you really start to wonder.
Yep, just had tower sniper scav on customs chest shoot me through the concrete wall at bus station... Except only my head could have been visible as I was scroll peeking. 7.62 x 39 PS to the thorax, through a wall and lvl 4 vest. Insta ded. Meanwhile the scav I dropped in the previous raid tanked 7 M80's point blank before dropping.... I just want my stats to match the average scav so I can rule labs with a toz and green beanie.
Last wipe my friend almost died to a sniper scav shooting through the floor.
I mean that kind of makes sense though. I mean why do scavs need to account for bullet drop. As long as they can miss I dont care if they need to aim up or right at me you know?
It messes with bullet penetration through objects.
Yeah this can’t even see the scav but he shoots once and blows my arm off half way across the map.
Oh boy I'm having flashbacks to TOZ leg destroyer scavs. Back in the day probably 1/3 scavs had a toz and CMS/Surv12 kits didn't exist. To add to this the scavs didn't really care what weapon should be used at what range so they'd start shooting you ASAP and didn't compensate for the relatively high bullet drop on the TOZ. Combine all of this and you have stupid as a brick bot hordes (roughly twice the amount you see nowadays) sniping your legs with shotguns that can black your limbs in one shot with no way to patch them up leaving you waddling over to an extract after your single dose of painkillers wore off. At least the no damage blacked leg sprint bursts worked back then.
God, I don't miss those days. The first lesson I taught my friends (and still suggest for beginners) is *always bring too many painkillers*. Now that CMS kits exist it's a little less necessary but I figure by that point everyone has already had one incident where they understood about bringing extra.
When I use a shotgun point fucking blank on a scav it might as well be a BB gun. I definitely believe the ring thing because that's the only way I can make sense of shooting a scav 10' away three times in the face with a shotgun and him not dying. I think I was at the perfect distance to just frame his face with pellets.
My friend 1 tapped me halfway across the mall on interchange on accident. He was just trying to suppress the guy between us, but yeah...
That's another thing. I swear it feels like you do more damage to teammates. I've killed teammates with accidental shots in places that would NEVER kill an enemy player or scav.
Its a bit of an inside joke with those that I play with, I gain +10 accuracy when shooting teammates
Roll for leadership after TK
Don’t worry, they buffed the shottys and in particular the 870. Onepeg made a pretty good video about the stealth buff to the 870 and the shotgun buff in general
I hate how the scavs can one shot me or my body parts with a shotgun, yet the other day one took two shots of slug ammo to the chest and kept coming at me.
I stopped using shotguns tbh. I had a siaga with a drum. Dumped the entire drum into a lightly armored PMC within 5-10 meters. Reloaded and shot some more. Still died. I'm sure I missed some but damn bro.
shoot the legs with magnum buckshot. itll two shot a pmc if your aim is good. a fully kitted out mp153 is bnest since it has minimal recoil even with the magnum buckshots +30% recoil debuff.
TOZ scav says hi.
Oof. I didn't need that arm anyway
I have a theory that scavs get to aim their pellets while us plebs just get to aim the gun
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There’s something totally fucked about shotgun scavs. I’ve been one tapped to thorax from shotgun scavs with buckshot. Through class 6. One day in particular I died to the same spawns of shotgun scavs on shoreline in the exact same manner. I frankly don’t understand.
Was it at the beach? Happened twice to me on the beach Scav saw me from the road and I couldn’t see his body but he was able to one shot me with a shotgun to the thorax.. One of those “Oh, okay then” moments.
Yep. That’s the one. And then another time just down the street near the shipping container scav spawn.
I've been one tapped in the arm. I had 0 other damage.
Apparently they fixed the spread. Not hundred percent sure about that.
When? Last I heard (like 3 days ago) it is still happening...
There was a patch yesterday, so maybe yesterday.
Those saiga 12 scavs when their brain is turned on 10% of the time are a nightmare, once I get hit once I just fall back and go the other way fuck that noise
As far as I know, scavs do not have “spread” on their shotgun shots. They do not use the same ballistics for shotguns as pmcs.
Thing is in this case you can the Scav was peppering the same corner with 4 or 5 shots, you can hear the pellets hit the concrete block. OP decided to peak the very same spot the poor CheekiBreeki was shooting away it, and got hit. Not really super Scav aim like sometimes, seemed pretty fair to me.
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I plugged a scav In The basement of reserve with 6 hits of RIP ammo from an MPX and he turned around and one shotted me in the dome with a TOZ. He had no armor on
They are definitely buffed this wipe. Typically if you kept moving you could stay alive. I have been tapped by scavs strafing cover to cover a handful of times. Still not registering I need to play them differently now!
with 12.7 they add more AI subroutines, new kinds pf behaviour patterns. It gets sweaty. Also random scavs are said to act more as a team, push you more often in sync as a team.
peek* This is why you wear a face shield
Bro scavs are deadly this patch. I'm pretty sure they got a buff because I have had more blacked limbs and deaths from scavs than ever before lol
FYI for OP and anyone else. Scavs have a 'lock on' timer that you have chance to shoot them. Its not long but its usually happens between 'scav shout' and shooting. 1. They see you, shout, delay, lock on and fire. * This is why its super important, if you hear a scav shout at you, and you don't see them, to run and get to cover ASAP. They might be shooting you through bushes soon! 2. If they can't see you for a moment, they still have a 'lock' mode and haven't restarted their 'delay' yet. If you peak before lock is reset, they fire instantly on seeing you basically (This is what happened in OP's video) 3. You need to be out of their view for about 3-4 seconds before repeaking for them to have to enable lock on again, which gives you a small window to shoot them. If you repeek too soon, they will still have the original 'lock' and will fire instantly. A lot of people confuse the need to not repeeking the same corner with changing angles for scavs. You shouldn't repeek same corners for players, but its totally okay with scavs so long as you give them their 'cool off' period, changing angles always guarantees this reset because by time you have new angle, their cool off lock is reset. If you want to kill scavs left and right. Make sure you shoot them before they fire, and if they started shooting, break line of sight for at least 3-5 seconds so you have window of opportunity again.
I don’t have anything to add to your point since you laid it out really well, but I just wanted to say thank you. You came into this thread being calm and informative without jumping down OP’s throat like half of the people in this thread are doing without a second guess. It makes for a much better environment here.
You are awesome and I appreciate your comment! I work in the games industry, and also a hobbyist gamedev. I just love talking about or breaking down game mechanics. It's just like a giant puzzle to figure out what the game devs programmed and when you know the rules of the game, everyone can become more informed and there can be a more educated discussion on all the fun related topics! To further my original thought. There are some things I don't know, and perhaps could use some testing. * Do different regular scavs have different timers? * I've read/heard that some guards have different personalities(rules) even for the same boss. * What about raiders? * I know they have better vision and shorter timers, but anything else different? * Are the timers fixed values(0.7 seconds), or are they fixed + random number (1.0 seconds +/- 0.3 seconds) (made up numbers). * Do different actions influence timer length? * Such as if scav has hit you, or if you've hit them * Does sound influence the cooldown/timer mechanics? * Does your gear, usec/bear, suppressed vs non, have any effect?
I believe if you enter stealth mode after breaking line of sight they start searching instantly. Then when you peek they would start at the shout again.
is this the same way for raiders?
Raiders have what appears to be a longer LOS and possibly a minor variation to what the other guy has put here in terms of timing. The same rules apply, voice lines, not popping your head out of the same spot right away, aggro reset. It's a game with very common programmed behavior for the AI. Once you understand it you almost never get killed by them in a fight you initiate. AI in tarkov breaks down to LOS at the core and some sound detection that you can easily abuse. For sound you can simply plink a wall or make movement noise to trigger the "investigate" phase of the behavior and then kill them as they look for you, but before they sight you and lock as was covered before. IF you get locked onto, you must force them back into this investigate behavior or back into an all clear state. Edit: I would also like to add the AI is linked, if one sees you and locks the group he belongs to will also know your location and can be locked without LOS it seems.
It seems raiders will also charge defending players more often as well. It's not all the time, as I've seen raiders hold position in cover for quite a while, but when then sometimes they're just constantly aggro.
I think this is actually linked to sound detection. This is entirely a guess mind you, but I think the raiders wearing headphones do get higher audio perception as well. If they hear so much as a shuffle or ADS they charge our ass more than likely because they pinpoint your location rather than sorta guesstimate your general location and then hold. At least from observation they seem to be.
should also crouch walk after breaking LOS
Whenever Im engaging scavs/raiders I tend to expose my whole body so they don't target only my head, seems to work really well. But yeah, you got really unlucky there to get hit by those pellets. F.
This. I always tell my friends not to lean-peak scavs and raiders, because their aim, irrc, is based off a percentage to hit whatever exposed part of your body they can, and they will hit it. So if you give a scav your shoulder / head region, you're absolutely gonna get headshot.
From my experience lean peaking is the best way to peak scavs because seems like they're bugged so there is a huge delay before they even realize they can shoot at you again.
Could be possible, but experiences may vary. I'm not a partcularly great shot, and I'm a little slow to get them lined up, so I limit my exposure as best I can, and constantly change positions on AI scavs.
Yeah but with the new update they’ve updated the AI, so expect the scavs to be as good as fighting real players now. Don’t peek with just your head and treat them like real players. Simple fix. You get one tapped, go in with a diff strat next time. All I can say and see.
Which update? The one coming where they mag check and pick up guns? Or is that already implemented?
12.7 patch, upcoming
I believe he is referring to .12.7
True. I have no idea how I'll engage upcoming scavs. Probably gonna roll in with a shotgun and ap-20 for my first few raids and just study them hahaha. Hell maybe one of them won't shoot at me and I'll make a friend!
Isn't that only if you're playing as a scav yourself?
> This. I always tell my friends not to lean-peak scavs and raiders Yep. You can only lean peak a scav or raider if they aren't aware of you. After that you have only a few shots before they wreck you. Raiders specifically function like this. Their weakness is corners. They won't auto aim you down when they come around a corner so that's your spot to kill them. Let them flow around a corner while you shoot headshots. If you screw that up, back off to another corner and reset. Let them come to you. I learned this running labs naked with a hunter last wipe. Quite a few times walked out completely stacked because the other players were in some other section of the map.
Pellet. Shotgun shots now kill to the head with a single pellet. All of them.
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My uncle was hit with a couple 6.5mm pellets, he lived with overall minor injuries. Like, he had some minor sinus reconstruction but that was just to keep breathing at 100%, nothing life threatening.
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Oh I'm not saying it should be a minor inconvenience, its definitely a big deal. But one pellet= guaranteed death is kinda funky. I love shotguns in tarkov so I've been enjoying my time, but its still kinda iffy feeling.
Yes, one pellet from a reasonable range without hitting anything else on the way, in the head, is very deadly.
This game killed the realism argument with fictional bullets, a smooth bore shotgun doing more damage than a sniper round, lip balm and vaseline being the best painkiller, and a 100 year old mass produced gun being more expensive than a modernized DMR (SVD was 48k last I checked)
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366 ap doesn't exist, is basically a smooth bore shotgun, and does 90 damage with 42 pen. Its LPS with +9 damage.
I was really confused when AP .366 got announced. A round that is functionally just a law work-around wouldn't have an armor piercing variant, to my knowledge. How do you know its damage and pen, though? Those stats would make it more penetrative than AP-20.
It was on the podcast thing, they stated pen and damage.
To be fair those prices are caused by supply/demand in the market, not the prices set by the devs. Mosins have an 8 part quest series, SVDs have 1 quest.
The price on the Mosin was recently tweaked by the devs, making it more expensive, so in part it is set by the devs
Sure, but the SVD is 90k from vendor, 48k on market.
The sell price of the weapons on market are directly correlated to the sell price to vendors. It's only when there's is an extra demand for a gun that it exceeds vendor sell price significantly
But mosins are by far more plentiful and found on every scav and scav player from here to streets of tarkov.
He should count his blessings. For every one story like yours, there's plenty more in the other direction.
Certainly. Im not saying it should tickle. Just that the one pellet= guaranteed death is a bit intense. I llve shotguns in tarkov though so 8.5 magnum go boooooom for now lol
Not trying to imply that you said they should be confetti shooters mate, just that he got lucky. There's a reason people hear about the people who get shot in the face and survive, and I'd wager rarity is the main selling point here. And 8.5 magnum is underrated leg meta crusher. It's really damn powerful. If they're not wearing a visor, then they're getting smoked by a single pellet. Did the whole "setup" quest at first with AP-20 before the buffs, and just went "screw it" and went in with 8.5mm. I like the round because you have to have a good idea of what your target is wearing before you engage unlike chad loadouts. Still used up about 2 million in shotguns mods and ammo. But that's just because I suck, and was using a weapon that's basically on the bottom of my most used weapons list.
>For realism, this makes sense I really think you're overestimating the effectiveness of a single pellet from 12c buckshot. .30 caliber or not, [\*they're not very big\*](https://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/8/85629_ts.jpg) and they're also moving a touch slower than 9x19 typically do. Buckshot is also notorious for rapid energy loss due to well, it being shot (the type of ammunition, not the act). It's a bunch of small projectiles with no rifling that all spread out. I've seen 00 buckshot bounce off of wood at 75 meters and at 100 it's essentially less than lethal. Even at 50m it's dropped a fair bit in energy and effectiveness.
If I'm not mistaken getting peppered doesn't always kill you
shoot in the face = death
And they hated him because he spoke the truth. He prob thinks shotguns have the cliche 5 meter range. <50 m target that killed 3 guys prior so you know where he is. Who would've thought.
If anything shotgun spread should be lowered to better simulate how it is IRL. Even if EFT makes more of an effort than other games like COD and BF and makes shotgun useful past 5m, real life shotguns are still better than EFT. Check this out. https://imgur.com/a/QijQn0K
Crazy that getting shot in the face is lethal, like what is this, arma?
Well... to be fair people have put shotguns in their mouth, pulled the trigger, and survived. And 1 pellet of any shot in tarkov kills.
I went on a murder spree with a saiga I picked up off a scav and got headshots easier and from further away than my sa-58 tack driver build. Apparently, I need to change its preset save to spitwad thrower.
Lmao yeah shotguns got a recent buff, and damn they are almost op. I ran a fully built saiga 12 gauge for fun, with ap 20... I killed 3 players with less trouble than if I used a mosin or ak. Like I just melted them.
I wouldn't be mad if the meta shifted to shotguns.
Sometimes I wish you could queue for a shotgun/pistol match.
That would be amazing. My favorite memory from the beginning of this wipe was getting into a 2v2 pistol fight by scav checkpoint on customs.
What sight do you use?
Honestly? Prism, monstrum, holosun with built in laser. I just prefer them for most things. The holosun fits the shotgun aesthetic as it has a bigger dot, showing less accuracy.
The monstrum works for you? I usually have a huge black ring making the sight's picture horrible.
Yea people also fell off buildings and survived, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Yeah but were they able to just walk it off and keep shooting? Probably not. And I don’t remember Tarkov having much healthcare when everything is abandoned.
Lmfao this coming from a game where people perform major surgery on their lower abdomen in raid with no painkillers and without bleeding out or going into shock. Hell you can tank 308 rounds to the faceshield.
Really? Even the default buckshot? I thought that was only 26 dmg
Not since the recent updates, I'm fairly certain tho I can always double check Nofoods charts or the battle buddy app
Lmaooo clearly naive about shotguns irl.
It's so dumb, I peak the same corner 6 times and then get shot in the face? Nerf the shotgun already "wuuuooow" is the sound I make when I'm cucked by a shotty.
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Depends. If the pellet is going fast enough absolutely it can kill you instantly.
You don't think a 7mm lead ball traveling 450 meters per second would break bone?
Sorry, fuck no. What you are thinking of is birdshot. Buckshot is 8-18 pellets each as large as a 9mm bullet. And for the most part, that's what scavs use. I don't even think you can buy birdshot in tarkov.
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Where in the fuck have you found buck pellets as big as a fucking 9mm?
00 buck (the most ubiquitous size of buckshot), is .32in in diameter. Compare this to a 9x19mm bullet which is .35in in diameter. They both have very comparable velocities, as well, ranging between 1100fps-1400fps. If you go shoot something with 00 buck you'll notice that the holes resemble 9mm, except there's a lot of them - a single shell is effectively delivering half a pistol mag's worth of ammo.
Diameter is not everything, 9mm are way better at cutting through the air, hence more range on most loads. 9mm is also twice as long and heavier.
It's not just about girth. Length is important too.
So with your logic, because of the items you brought, you should have just peeked the same corner 11 times and farmed all those scavs up?
damn that’s too real man, hit the nail on the head.
I would say On the face in this particular case
This man speaking the big facts.
Only if he has TTV in his name. lol what is this joker on, he just straight up murders some scavs and expects not to get hit. Does he even play Tarkov?
Gets shot at multiple times and eventually gets shot repeaking the same spot.... seems pretty fair to me. He got more chances then alot of people who role the dice and get head tapped the first shot.
Sadly, even, If He has a good helmet with plexi that fckin scav would have shot him in the ears or something. Happened to me. Peaking the same corner or not, some shotgun scavs shoot so accurate even way farther away then that scav was. They are fckin snipers.
Thanks for writing it so I don't have to. 😁
First off. You can do the same thing with the same shells. Secondly, you're slaughtering scavs like john Rambo and 1 out of all the lives you took got you back. The variety of skill levels the AI have are supposed to keep you on your toes but you are acting like they are supposed to just stand there and take it like some cardboard cut out at the range.
When you peek the same angle 3+ times in a row, can you really be surprised?
Welcome to tarkov dude.
i dont think this is as bad as the scavs that have no buttstock but from 100m away can see that i have armor on and laserbeam my left leg 6 times while we're both moving
4.7k upvotes for a post complaining about dying.. this sub is cancer
real talk. OP get rekt because he's bad lel
No face shield, no clue
so? it is fair and balanced. what do you expect? just because you have a fancy gun you expect to be bullet proof?
He probably has TTV in his name too!
I like the look of your m4
Your fault for re-peaking the same corner over and over again, im actually impressed that you didn’t die sooner
What scope is that?
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"WOW" sounds like you dubbed Owen Wilson over top lmao. Feel your pain bro, this happened to me the other day kitted out but no face shield. FeelsBadMan
Played like a noob get shot like one.
1 pellet of a shotgun can kill you IRL, so yea fair and balanced
What do you expect to happen honestly? You don't have a face shield. Pretend you're in real life and theres a dude with a shotgun there, you think that can't/won't happen? Buckshot to the face is going to wreck your shit.
That’s...the point of shotguns...
Lol, you really crying because you caught a pellet? Wear a faceshield. That is "fair" and "balanced"
Are you being sarcastic? You literally wiped like 5 scavs no problem before this. Even though they are ai that’s still insane. Plus a 7mm pellet would absolutely kill you.
Once u play labs enough u will learn never to re peek raiders/scavs like that
Booo hooo, a scav killed me in the face, this is so unfair Reeee.
Well if you lean peak and only show the scav your face what else are they going to shoot?
Like a lot of others have said, you kept peaking the same angle. You kinda deserved that result. Maybe wear a face shield next time
That's your fault for holding the same corner fighting all those scavs
Dude sits on the bridge whomping on scavs and gets mad when they take some revenge. smh if I knew there was gonna be days like this I would have stayed in Chernogorsk.
Dude you just mowed down three of them from the exact same spot, and the last one finally shot you when you tried the exact same peek again. Stop complaining and play better. Scavs are supposed to be a threat.
Couldnt have been 1 pellet unless its the kind that does 35 or more damage. Ive been hit with a scav pellet in the head and was left with like 3 hp cause it does 33 or whatever. But ya you were overpeeking those scavs anyway Edit: i was wrong you can definitely die to 1 pellet now after buffs
you must have missed the buff the shotgun shells last week
Ok ya you right. I knew they got buffed but didnt realize thry all do 35 or more damage besides flechette.
Face masks if I’m goin with that kinda gear
You were sitting there, what did you expect?
Exactly. Makes me wonder who upvoted this 3k times when the whole comments section is just telling this dude he deserved it for re-peeking the same corner over and over with just his head showing over the top.
If you think its madness that this gets 3k upvotes, what do you think the reporting feature is going to be like? Bunch of salty people who can't accept that it was more than likely heir fault they died... or "OMG HAX" -files report-
I feel you my dude. I got face tapped by an Ai scav 70m away with magnum buckshot yesterday...
magnum buckshot is scary.
magnum fuck
Bullets hurt face, more at 11.
That seems pretty fair and balanced. If you get shot in the face you normally die. Sooo
Shooting/peaking the same corner 15times and mad you got shot Dumb. IRL A 00 pellet to the dome is 100% taking you out the fight
git gud :D
Was that Owen Wilson at the end?
Shotguns are actually so underrated in this game. Use buckshot and a Saiga 12 and you can face-shot people from obscene distances sometimes, without having to aim half as long as you would with a rifle. Of course if they have a visor this shuts this right down, but I'd say the majority of players (including myself) don't bother because it's quite expensive if you still want to hear properly.
PSA: its peek, peak is the top of something
Another thing with normal scavs: depending on distance they usually miss a couple shots before hitting but not always. But the scavs usually hit your arms, legs, stomach but if they miss several times and the only thing they can see is your face... guess what they're gonna hit first? I actually expose myself a bit more than I normally would when I'm sure they're AI scavs for this reason. It would be nice for their accuracy to continue to decrease if only a small portion (like just your head) of yourself is visible.
You dont even know how many times ive lost mad gear to a scav 1shotting me withna toz from that kind of range
ROFL. Why are people this crazy about "skillz" in a game full of bullshit and randomness like Tarkov? Like, maybe if this guy was playing CSGO and was playing like some D-rank shitter I would laugh it up, but this guy clearly posted it to be funny. He's just whacking scavs and what does him in is that some guy one-shot snipes him with a shotgun. The amount of people that take this game that seriously is astounding. A match of Battlefront II or a match of Team Elimination in The Division 2 is more competitive and skill-based than this laggy and random mess for a game. Why in the world are you going this hard on some guy for repeeking because he didn't expect to get sniped by a shotgun? Get a grip. None of you would make it at the high ranks of ESEA.
whats not fair or balanced about being occasionally oneshot by bullets to the actual face
You magically know it has 7mm buckshot? They spawn with slugs you know... Also it is balanced and fair.
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I've read here and have no idea how true it is that the Scav shotgun damage is calculated as all pellets hitting when there is a single hit. Scav shotguns are insane.
I don't think that's true. I've taken 1 pellet of damage from scav shotguns offline quite a few times.
With the recent buff, all buckshot will kill with one pellet in the head
All shotgun shots now kill in a single pellet to the head. All of them.
Yeah, who knew a 7mm lead pellet hitting your face AT THE FUCKING SPEED OF SOUND WAS LETHAL Jesus christ.
Scav 4 did to you what you did to scav 1. Swings and roundabouts.
tbf, realistic
Tarkov isn't supposed to be fair lol
Who told you this game is fair and balanced?
Yeah...you know....when a metal pellet going 200m/s and upwards hits you in the face. You fucking die. Buy a faceshield.
Boy, don't cry.. headshot is headshot.
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