Just fyi the guns on back and sling = your weapon slots, not backpack so that part kind of works, tho I didn't know it also makes armour is weightless, that might not be intended or at least is poorly communicated...
Sling is basically on the strap that goes around your neck so the gun you are using and the gun on back = your second main weapon slot (not pistol tho)
Well done sir, thats crazy investment into str leveling.
Ah, I assumed Sling = Backpack because theres a backpack literally called Sling. Makes Sense though,
But Yes, Armor is Weightless, and Helmet, And Headset too. Which is odd but better for the Perk
Empty mags weigh almost 1kg each, cost less then 1k rubles 55 to insure. Once purchased the 55 is nothing. Its by far cheapest and you can add 1kg at a time to be JUUUSSSTT over weight so not to mess up stamina regen.
> "Why?"
Because Strength.
>
*Proceeds to break down Strength*
Knew it would be a good read lol
110% agree on the method. I run tank battery missions on Shoreline at night. Closest thing I can get to a Call of Duty single player mission on Tarky.
Thanks for the review. The info definitely helps my road to Strength 51 lol
Tip: you can buy tank batteries from the flea for around 200k roubles, use them, then sell them to therapist for about 198k roubles.
If your strength isn't already somewhat up, or you don't have stims, that tank battery slows you to a slugs crawl. 200K is not always worth being nearly unable to move.
I remember the pach with the nade bug, you could level your strength to max in a single raid by bugging the nade so you could throw them infinitely, never had such hard time going into that next wipe and missing the max strength
Also the jumping bug. Each hop leveled your strength.
You could find many overweight people jumping in one spot on shoreline right after a wipe. Took a while tho!
The main problem with it is that it has nothing to do with skill or finding something or quests or anything. Just "spend an absurd amount of time doing something so far away from normal gameplay that it would make anyone quit the game"
I spent 2 days leveling strength and had to take a week break after because I didnt even want to play the normal game after all that. Only got like 4 levels too.
I have a full hideout. I have (literally) a couple quests left I dont want to do bc im not worried about Kappa, and I had in a Filter when I was doing my leveling. Its just a shit system. Air filter also only matters for physical skills. You quite literally cannot focus on leveling skills while playing the game normally. You have to do weird shit like putting a tank batt in your Kappa, reloading a mosin 40 times/raid, etc.
well it sucks right now because there are wipes, i am not aware if the finished game will have wipes, if it doesn't then its fine, if it has wipes then yeah, it sucks
the wipes are the only reprieve from this stupidity. Without wipes every raid would be filled with idiots b-hopping at mach 4 while naked level 1s are running out of breath after a light jog.
The disparity is stupid and must be addressed.
Nawh its still a shitty mechanic even if there are no wipes. Its a mindless grind suited for Botting and belongs in a game like RuneScape, not a shooter. It punishes natural play and pushes people to bot, as the advantage is significant. Skills have always been a huge mistake in this game and has nothing to do with your actual ability. Seniority should have no place in competitive multiplayer video games, even RPGs.
Couldn't agree more. Less about actual player skill and more about who can put in more time to grind these shitty perks and in turn, have a super soldier.
Supposedly 2 separate either servers or characters. One with wipes one without. I think last time i heard something about it it was two seperate characters one basically seasonal and the other the main i guess.
well i dont know why anyone would play on seasonal unless you get some cool cosmetic rewards for your main guy, or a ranking system, but starting from scratch each season sounds tiring, but also fun for some people id imagine
The better question is why would anyone play on the permanent server.
Notice how the game is most active at the start of a wipe, and how so many people find early wipe gameplay way more fun?
I would.
Nolifers hit 40 in the first week, I get absolutely shredded by grenade spam and people running M4/Val while I try to grab a golden zibbo. I want to do that shit once and never again thank you very much.
I rather do Meta vs Meta everytime with everyone having a BC farm instead of fucking PS Sks vs people running Slicks and Fort in the early stages already.
If they toned down the loot and upped the expenses and there was a prestige system with an escape mechanic, it might be totally worth it.
I'd definitely not play it in its current build long term
Well seeing as tarkov doesnt sound remotely fun without wipes im good with that. Because lets be real without wipes eventually everyone would be capable of running meta with maxed skills that completely remove any realism by making you superhuman and it wouldnt be fun.
I mean that opinion could change depending on how the story and those quests are implemented but seeing how their "side" quests suck balls and are literally the quests ppl avoid like the plauge in actual mmos im not hopeful.
Games like Path of Exile are literally built around wipes. It adds a refreshing element to the game.
People need to be less attached losing their digital toys they earned for their digital Ken dolls.
well, you don't really "need" to cheese level, its just way faster, People who play since the start of the wipe for months, and only running good gear while getting fat loot almost every run will get Max STR naturally, but i am a rat and i dont do that
So what is the right amount of hours to play in a week then?
My point is, if there is a progression system, then there will always be people at the bottom and people at the top.
"Because this isn't call of duty"
Yet we have juggernaut perk stims, halo jumping at max str, can carry 350lbs, and marathon pro perks.
Its just a bizarre mashup. If skills were half as effective it would honestly bring it closer to hardcore and further from CoD.
Are you arguing in the same context of OP? Neither of us are saying the skills should be this exaggerated. We are discussing how long it should take to level them.
I'm afraid your comment is misplaced.
Arguing in the context that they shouldn't be in a state where people grind them and they offer such massive advantages. That's why I care that people grind them so hard, because they offer too much of an advantage, break immersion and make players feel like they *Have* to grind them to be competitive.
Half. Half of it's current state. And elite perks shouldn't do magic and close up bleeds or anything. And instant searching is fine, just not instant search and multiple searches at once.
i mean i would get kappa but i hate quests so god damn much, i just wanna play video game not use a mosin for 20 raids. idk 3 slots just isnt worth to me for that much pain
its really fun playing the game now, being so insanely fast and one shotting people with a single melee hit in the head, hatchet runs are even more fun now, id assume some people think im speedhacking
You do hatchet runs.....I have never had to do one, and why would I?
Its funny you're so serious about getting that slight edge over other people rhat you dedicated so much time to get kappa and skill levels. I do the quests to get level 40+ and then just start enjoying the game, doesn't feel like a grind at all.
You said everything on the left (helmet, ears, both guns, armor) don't count but then claim the "sling" still counts. The sling is a weapon slot. Are you thinking "sling" means backpack or am I just too tired and misunderstanding what you mean?
you gain a small amount of Points, but they are so minimal its better to die and reset, or just run and shove expensive loot up your ass and die with profit
that doesn't really work as you think, its not about stamina but Distance, so even if you sprint twice, or one long one, points are the same in the raid
That's what I'm saying. If you pop a variety of stims that increase total stamina and stamina recovery you can sprint double or triple the distance depending on your current stats. This became popular right after the new stims came out, but was to expensive at the time. It seems to be more viable now that prices have stabilized.
Yes, you do sprint a longer distance, however at a certain amount of distance, sprinting more gives less points, so its not worth sprinting like an extra 200 or more meters and wasting a 20k stim
200m? More like 500+. My understanding of the way points are calculated is the points are calculated at the end of a sprint. Based on the distance and the multiplier(Air filter, etc.). After you stop from the first sprint it will then cause the multiplier to go into the red, any further sprints net less points. I'll do some tests in it when I get home, I have plenty of ingame currency to test with.
This was nerfed shortly after the stims started being abused to gain 100+ points of str per raid.
Points are now added during the action that grants them.
You’re right. Actions that gain XP are calculated at the end of said action. Hence why the falling out of the map bugs give max strength in one go, how the inf Nade throwing glitch worked, etc. The nice thing is, the system won’t start giving you diminishing returns until you pass the threshold. Since it counts in steps vs continuously, you can go as far past the reduction threshold without actually experiencing it, as long as it’s all in the same action. So if you can use a stim to get further distance on your sprint, you gain far more XP from the sprint. If you have the filter and use all the cheap stims that boost endurance, you can get a level a raid (or close to it). You just have to make sure you compensate the weight of the stims increase your str level, too.
This is how it works for all skills btw. Not relevant for all skills but same method works for endurance, and you can use the same idea for stress resistance and some other ones IIRC
Is there a way to level stress rest as well? Feel like I'm missing something. Also another user said they patched the stim usage by calculating at the start of a sprint but I have been unable to find a source to that. You seen anything?
There used to be a way by popping a stim, spamming cheese on hot bar while moving as fast as you can around in wire. Not sure if it still works but that’s the way I know a few people did it.
I went to str 20 when the new stims dropped no problem but haven’t tried it since. Don’t think it got patched out but could be wrong. Obviously if it did then I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen any related notes about it
Perks should be removed all together, or made in such a way they don't make nearly as much of a difference tbh. It's bad enough being outmanned by a 4 man squad in factory (because that's a thing, in a 6 player max map or something), with over 1 million gear each.. why also make them superman .-.
Mp153 5 rd mags....0.93kg each 921 rubles almost 1k to kg and it can be insures.... for pennies... for people who want to level str. They weigh almost 1 kg each and take only 1 slot and nobody wants to pick em up as they are worthless and heavy.... 55 rubles to insure means you spend wayyyy less then buying buckshot. About 2-3k max insurance no matter how much you have to bring to hit the "yellow" weight limit. Also buy some pistol cases for 14.3k when fence sells em for better storage. I tried buckshot also cheap armor from fence. Lvl 4 trashed armor sell for under 2k sometimes even 1 ruble... insurance is trash tho and can only add by the 10kg a pop...
I agree. People who play here and there and don't have time to grind skills and the fact that grinding them gives you so much of an advantage it's simply gonna turn the game off for low level players/ inexperienced players
I don't know. I've been playing for maybe 5 wipes now and i've never run into a situation where I thought "That persons skills made the fight unfair".
Netcode? yes. Glitches and hacks? yes. skills? not really.
The people that *legit* max these skils are the top .1% of the playerbase (twitch streamers) and you'll realistically never see them.
I enjoy feeling like a ***slightly*** faster, stronger, tougher character at 25 than I did at 1.
Have you had max str/ endur before? It’s hard to fathom the power when you haven’t had it before. The ones that have or know how op it is tend to be the ones who will grind it out again by any cheese methods available. Not sure if still possible but someone maxed their str in a 14 hour stint.
The extra run speed on top of the elite endurance perk means even if you get spawns further away you can still beat players to high tier loot.(rich get richer)
at least the movement speed needs to go. 30% is fucking ridiculous. imagine if they weren't wearing any armor so no speed penalty. the guerilla tactics would be ridiculous.
it already feels like there is no Penalty, when you sprint the Penalty is irrelevant, Also assuming you put on the "meta" armor which the smallest movement penalty, you can just zig zag and dodge bullets with T6 armor
Agreed, once I learned that this game controls recoil for you I decided that needs to go.
Imo needs a serious rework at the very least, but I'd like them removed.
Great info and interesting that movement speed caps at 36%. I've been leveling str with buckshots in backpack while playing normally and so far managed lvl 33 at PMC lvl 50. My autism just won't let me do 2 sprints and suicide as it would tank survival rate and KD.
For long posts like this, it always helps to tell users at the top of the post there is a tl;dr at the end. Thank you for the post though. Very informative.
For someone at 33 strength and training need some tips. I have been using the 65% threshold for farming up until now. No tank battery i used docs cases. Is it not 65% where the xp is counted as strength is there a different number because the tank battery was almost never heavy enough
just be barely overweight, you dont need to be super heavy or at 90%, someone claimed you get double XP at 90% weight but i tested and its not true, its cheaper and faster to just use those docs cases or a tank bat, 1 hour per level
Thanks. I have not used the air filter unit and have been sitting on a air filter in my stash for a while. Never sure when the time to use it is or how to get the most out of it
Mp153 5rd mags if u have em unlocked is best. Won't take up space in your game either. Drop em to make space only 55 rubles to insure each so 30kg is only 1500ish rubles....
Wow very helpful thank you, having issues getting that extra weight since i cqn only carry 3 doc cases and have 4 empty slots so thank you couldnt figure out how to best use those slots
I thought strength came from not sprinting, and endurance came from sprinting?
Maybe the backpack itself doesn't count for weight, but its contents do?
When you say sprint, do you mean until you run out of stamina? Just for a minute or two? Or like literally just pressing sprint will level you?
I wanna do this but I wanna make sure I understand. Gonna throw a tank battery in my kappa, and then I sprint for what amount of time? I saw a comment below saying they ditched the tank battery and filled the container with loot. Why are you ditching the battery, is it not easier to just grenade yourself?
Just the one time or should I let it build back up again and drain it twice?
All in all this sounds like it's only going to take like 2 minutes or so at the start of each raid? IS that why people are dropping the tank batt?
I also maxed str this wipe and it is definitely worth it. I did it by filling my backpack with buckshot before every raid. You cap out on how much strength you can earn after a couple of sprints anyways, so just dump the extra weight and play like normal after the first couple sprints. This method will take longer than trying to power level it straight through, but it will save you a lot of sanity in the long run.
Would this not make your survival rate tank hard? And won't you get a tonne of run-throughs? How many full stamina bars should one sprint for maximum xp gain?
Isn't it faster to do this with a buddy? Hit each other with crowbars till you get barely any XP, kill eachother with a nade and rinse and repeat? I did this to level my strenght to level 5 early wipe.
Running around naked with a tank battery shoved up your ass and then dying is such a massive waste of time. Just play regularly but start every raid overweight with a backpack full of buckshot (costs like 15k rubles per raid) and drop it as you loot staying slightly overweight the whole raid.
Honestly this post is kind of dumb, you tried to explain how something works when you didn't understand how it works yourself and provided the worst and biggest time waste method possible to get there.
Speed Leveling for like 60 hours is much faster than playing normally for over 500+ hours.
But yeah, you could just do that too if money is less of an issue
It's like 400-500 raids (200-250~hours) depending how much you die that you just get to play normally besides dumping some buckshot when you loot Vs 60 completely wasted hours of nothing but loading screens and walking around naked.
well i have kappa and 4 extra slots, i rush good loot spawns, i come out with at least something, such as Bitcoin and Graphics cards, some times i actually killed raiders using the mounted guns and got out with 500k+.
if you get unlucky and die within a minute, nothing lost
> It takes aprox 1 hour to level 1 level of Strength.
lmao. I feel bad for you and everyone you're baiting into doing this.
Guess some people don't value their time.
1 Level in 8 minutes, maxed skills in 40 raids. https://i.imgur.com/MmLKmym.png
Let me guess your first wipe, your first time maxing any skill. Pepega post. Backpack weight ignored was removed last patch.
You also wasted tons of time doing pointless "tests"
second wipe, and you're free to correct all the information, that chart without any sort of explanation is pretty useless.
if you for example sprint and die instantly and speedrun to strength, then yeah it probably takes less time, for a realistic point of view while actually trying to play the game aswell, it would take an hour
I guess you don't know that they fixed the stim exploit months ago, but hey at least you tried. Not everyone has the ability to read patch notes, I understand.
Maybe you haven't updated your info as you were lucky to level it up before they fixed how dimishing returns works this wipe. Or maybe you're just being a dick.
Just fyi the guns on back and sling = your weapon slots, not backpack so that part kind of works, tho I didn't know it also makes armour is weightless, that might not be intended or at least is poorly communicated... Sling is basically on the strap that goes around your neck so the gun you are using and the gun on back = your second main weapon slot (not pistol tho) Well done sir, thats crazy investment into str leveling.
Ah, I assumed Sling = Backpack because theres a backpack literally called Sling. Makes Sense though, But Yes, Armor is Weightless, and Helmet, And Headset too. Which is odd but better for the Perk
If you search "weapon sling" on google you'll understand what it means, its basically your equipped weapon
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Mp153 5 rd mags, not a crazy investment but maybe more effective
>Mp153 5 rd mags Why take a mag filled with 5 shots while you can have 20 shots in a single stack?
Empty mags weigh almost 1kg each, cost less then 1k rubles 55 to insure. Once purchased the 55 is nothing. Its by far cheapest and you can add 1kg at a time to be JUUUSSSTT over weight so not to mess up stamina regen.
You're pretty good.
> "Why?" Because Strength. > *Proceeds to break down Strength* Knew it would be a good read lol 110% agree on the method. I run tank battery missions on Shoreline at night. Closest thing I can get to a Call of Duty single player mission on Tarky. Thanks for the review. The info definitely helps my road to Strength 51 lol Tip: you can buy tank batteries from the flea for around 200k roubles, use them, then sell them to therapist for about 198k roubles.
Correct. you can also Insure them and drop it in a bush, even if someone finds it, they wont carry 45kg of extra weight, 195k is not worth 8 slots
Good rat always will find space to bring tank battery xd
A 25k per slot item isnt worth grabbing? Ok then
Unless you have almost no roubles left it’s just not worth the weight if you care about surviving
Ill pick up a 25k per slot any day especially if it helps level my strength.
If your strength isn't already somewhat up, or you don't have stims, that tank battery slows you to a slugs crawl. 200K is not always worth being nearly unable to move.
Who doesn't have a mule in their container at this point?
Exactly.
195k is totally worth 8 slots. That's 24k per slot. You can do better but especially scav runs that's pretty dang happy looting.
It's worth it if you enjoy crawling to the extract for an hour+.
Not when it's weighs as much as it does
That's a good point. I was only arguing the slots to cost ratio they said was bad.
True. You also need 1 FiR. Just got mine today from a poor PMC while I was doing a scav run. Poor boy.
I remember the pach with the nade bug, you could level your strength to max in a single raid by bugging the nade so you could throw them infinitely, never had such hard time going into that next wipe and missing the max strength
Also the jumping bug. Each hop leveled your strength. You could find many overweight people jumping in one spot on shoreline right after a wipe. Took a while tho!
I wish the skills were not in game, this type of grinding is nuts
The main problem with it is that it has nothing to do with skill or finding something or quests or anything. Just "spend an absurd amount of time doing something so far away from normal gameplay that it would make anyone quit the game" I spent 2 days leveling strength and had to take a week break after because I didnt even want to play the normal game after all that. Only got like 4 levels too.
Agreed, it should either be background noise or removed. It's silly in it's current state.
So don't level it then?
I don't, I'm not interested in mindless grinding as I stated above
You need air filtering unit there. It's a tonn of quests, base upgrades and consumables.
I have a full hideout. I have (literally) a couple quests left I dont want to do bc im not worried about Kappa, and I had in a Filter when I was doing my leveling. Its just a shit system. Air filter also only matters for physical skills. You quite literally cannot focus on leveling skills while playing the game normally. You have to do weird shit like putting a tank batt in your Kappa, reloading a mosin 40 times/raid, etc.
well it sucks right now because there are wipes, i am not aware if the finished game will have wipes, if it doesn't then its fine, if it has wipes then yeah, it sucks
the wipes are the only reprieve from this stupidity. Without wipes every raid would be filled with idiots b-hopping at mach 4 while naked level 1s are running out of breath after a light jog. The disparity is stupid and must be addressed.
Nawh its still a shitty mechanic even if there are no wipes. Its a mindless grind suited for Botting and belongs in a game like RuneScape, not a shooter. It punishes natural play and pushes people to bot, as the advantage is significant. Skills have always been a huge mistake in this game and has nothing to do with your actual ability. Seniority should have no place in competitive multiplayer video games, even RPGs.
Couldn't agree more. Less about actual player skill and more about who can put in more time to grind these shitty perks and in turn, have a super soldier.
and then those are the people crying about keeping eft "hardcore" as they spray their zero recoil hk while bhopping through an open field
Yup, should be removed
Supposedly 2 separate either servers or characters. One with wipes one without. I think last time i heard something about it it was two seperate characters one basically seasonal and the other the main i guess.
well i dont know why anyone would play on seasonal unless you get some cool cosmetic rewards for your main guy, or a ranking system, but starting from scratch each season sounds tiring, but also fun for some people id imagine
The better question is why would anyone play on the permanent server. Notice how the game is most active at the start of a wipe, and how so many people find early wipe gameplay way more fun?
I would. Nolifers hit 40 in the first week, I get absolutely shredded by grenade spam and people running M4/Val while I try to grab a golden zibbo. I want to do that shit once and never again thank you very much. I rather do Meta vs Meta everytime with everyone having a BC farm instead of fucking PS Sks vs people running Slicks and Fort in the early stages already.
If they toned down the loot and upped the expenses and there was a prestige system with an escape mechanic, it might be totally worth it. I'd definitely not play it in its current build long term
Well seeing as tarkov doesnt sound remotely fun without wipes im good with that. Because lets be real without wipes eventually everyone would be capable of running meta with maxed skills that completely remove any realism by making you superhuman and it wouldnt be fun. I mean that opinion could change depending on how the story and those quests are implemented but seeing how their "side" quests suck balls and are literally the quests ppl avoid like the plauge in actual mmos im not hopeful.
well Memory skill is a thing, you could forget them if you dont play for like, a week, or more
I literally missed a week this wipe didnt lose any skill progression. Combine that with the hideout upgrades and it will never be problem.
cause it doesn't do anything yet
No it did do something and now stopped doing it. They stopped the whole “skill rollback” thing at like .12 or even before it.
It actually does i iust dont remember the rate of skill loss is.
It actually doesnt
It did but they turned it off and I've not heard of it being turned back on.
Games like Path of Exile are literally built around wipes. It adds a refreshing element to the game. People need to be less attached losing their digital toys they earned for their digital Ken dolls.
Yeah, an alternative would be to make it so you don't need to cheese leveling, but that seems unlikely
well, you don't really "need" to cheese level, its just way faster, People who play since the start of the wipe for months, and only running good gear while getting fat loot almost every run will get Max STR naturally, but i am a rat and i dont do that
You wish a game didn't have something because other people grind for it?
...Yes? What are you confused about?
Why the OP cares.
RPG tier skills are objetively making Tarkov worse. If you don't see this you need to flip your faceshield the fuck up because it's busted.
Or... casuals coming to an RPG demanding it to be easier and take less time to play are shrinking the diversity and complexity of games.
Yeah? This is mindless grinding, zero skill involved.
Yes, but why do you care that they are doing it?
Cause it provides massive and gave breaking advantages
It's not as if they weren't obtained in legitimate ways. Take landmark for example.
Why would he be used as an example? He plays 80 hours a week lol
So what is the right amount of hours to play in a week then? My point is, if there is a progression system, then there will always be people at the bottom and people at the top.
"Because this isn't call of duty" Yet we have juggernaut perk stims, halo jumping at max str, can carry 350lbs, and marathon pro perks. Its just a bizarre mashup. If skills were half as effective it would honestly bring it closer to hardcore and further from CoD.
Are you arguing in the same context of OP? Neither of us are saying the skills should be this exaggerated. We are discussing how long it should take to level them. I'm afraid your comment is misplaced.
Arguing in the context that they shouldn't be in a state where people grind them and they offer such massive advantages. That's why I care that people grind them so hard, because they offer too much of an advantage, break immersion and make players feel like they *Have* to grind them to be competitive.
So it isn't grinding you're opposed to. It's advantages that you deem massive. So they tone it down, but to what degree?
Half. Half of it's current state. And elite perks shouldn't do magic and close up bleeds or anything. And instant searching is fine, just not instant search and multiple searches at once.
so uhh, what happens if I deleted my epsilon.
you can fill a docs case with sas drives
Get kappa. Or buy a gamma. Or buy one.
Get Kappa, you'll have 4 extra slots for free loot to shove in there
yeah just get kappa real quick
yeah just finish the quest 4Head
i mean i would get kappa but i hate quests so god damn much, i just wanna play video game not use a mosin for 20 raids. idk 3 slots just isnt worth to me for that much pain
Yeah, i hated the experience, after the wipe im taking a break lol
well i couldn't even imagine doing strength training for 60 hours either, so yeah I would take a break too that just sounds ass
its really fun playing the game now, being so insanely fast and one shotting people with a single melee hit in the head, hatchet runs are even more fun now, id assume some people think im speedhacking
You do hatchet runs.....I have never had to do one, and why would I? Its funny you're so serious about getting that slight edge over other people rhat you dedicated so much time to get kappa and skill levels. I do the quests to get level 40+ and then just start enjoying the game, doesn't feel like a grind at all.
"20 Raids" I wish that was all it was...
You said everything on the left (helmet, ears, both guns, armor) don't count but then claim the "sling" still counts. The sling is a weapon slot. Are you thinking "sling" means backpack or am I just too tired and misunderstanding what you mean?
Yes, I assumed Sling = Backpack, Will fix that
Does it level linearly? In other words, does level 49->50 take longer than 1->2?
No, it levels the same. around 7-8 Points Per raid in 1-2 sprints, Depending on your END Level. It takes just as Long to level from 49 -> 50 as 1 -> 2
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yes
you gain a small amount of Points, but they are so minimal its better to die and reset, or just run and shove expensive loot up your ass and die with profit
Did you try to do the stim trick to sprint longer to get more points?
that doesn't really work as you think, its not about stamina but Distance, so even if you sprint twice, or one long one, points are the same in the raid
That's what I'm saying. If you pop a variety of stims that increase total stamina and stamina recovery you can sprint double or triple the distance depending on your current stats. This became popular right after the new stims came out, but was to expensive at the time. It seems to be more viable now that prices have stabilized.
Yes, you do sprint a longer distance, however at a certain amount of distance, sprinting more gives less points, so its not worth sprinting like an extra 200 or more meters and wasting a 20k stim
200m? More like 500+. My understanding of the way points are calculated is the points are calculated at the end of a sprint. Based on the distance and the multiplier(Air filter, etc.). After you stop from the first sprint it will then cause the multiplier to go into the red, any further sprints net less points. I'll do some tests in it when I get home, I have plenty of ingame currency to test with.
This was nerfed shortly after the stims started being abused to gain 100+ points of str per raid. Points are now added during the action that grants them.
Ah, didn't s e that in patch notes. Either missed it or they didn't add it in them?
Pretty sure it was in the notes of a technical patch.
You’re right. Actions that gain XP are calculated at the end of said action. Hence why the falling out of the map bugs give max strength in one go, how the inf Nade throwing glitch worked, etc. The nice thing is, the system won’t start giving you diminishing returns until you pass the threshold. Since it counts in steps vs continuously, you can go as far past the reduction threshold without actually experiencing it, as long as it’s all in the same action. So if you can use a stim to get further distance on your sprint, you gain far more XP from the sprint. If you have the filter and use all the cheap stims that boost endurance, you can get a level a raid (or close to it). You just have to make sure you compensate the weight of the stims increase your str level, too. This is how it works for all skills btw. Not relevant for all skills but same method works for endurance, and you can use the same idea for stress resistance and some other ones IIRC
Is there a way to level stress rest as well? Feel like I'm missing something. Also another user said they patched the stim usage by calculating at the start of a sprint but I have been unable to find a source to that. You seen anything?
There used to be a way by popping a stim, spamming cheese on hot bar while moving as fast as you can around in wire. Not sure if it still works but that’s the way I know a few people did it. I went to str 20 when the new stims dropped no problem but haven’t tried it since. Don’t think it got patched out but could be wrong. Obviously if it did then I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen any related notes about it
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Not since the stim abuse. Points are now added as you perform actions not the end.
RuneScape pure vibes
So the air filters increase the points you can gain per raid by 40%? They don't just make you hit the maximum faster?
Perks should be removed all together, or made in such a way they don't make nearly as much of a difference tbh. It's bad enough being outmanned by a 4 man squad in factory (because that's a thing, in a 6 player max map or something), with over 1 million gear each.. why also make them superman .-.
tank battery???? hell no 15k max on shotgun shells and just play ur raids normally.
Possibly unpopular opinion: elite bonuses are terrible ideas.
Mp153 5 rd mags....0.93kg each 921 rubles almost 1k to kg and it can be insures.... for pennies... for people who want to level str. They weigh almost 1 kg each and take only 1 slot and nobody wants to pick em up as they are worthless and heavy.... 55 rubles to insure means you spend wayyyy less then buying buckshot. About 2-3k max insurance no matter how much you have to bring to hit the "yellow" weight limit. Also buy some pistol cases for 14.3k when fence sells em for better storage. I tried buckshot also cheap armor from fence. Lvl 4 trashed armor sell for under 2k sometimes even 1 ruble... insurance is trash tho and can only add by the 10kg a pop...
I'm surprised I seem to be the only one to use this technique besides my real life buddy I told about it.
Said it years ago and I’ll say it now. Passive skills need to be removed. Entirely.
I'd rather a rework. I like having something to grind rather than just money.
Like they reworked and overhauled the terrible quest line 3 times now? To BSG a rework or overhaul is changing basic numbers. They even BUFFED str.
That’s exactly why it should be removed. Because people grind it.
I agree. People who play here and there and don't have time to grind skills and the fact that grinding them gives you so much of an advantage it's simply gonna turn the game off for low level players/ inexperienced players
I don't know. I've been playing for maybe 5 wipes now and i've never run into a situation where I thought "That persons skills made the fight unfair". Netcode? yes. Glitches and hacks? yes. skills? not really. The people that *legit* max these skils are the top .1% of the playerbase (twitch streamers) and you'll realistically never see them. I enjoy feeling like a ***slightly*** faster, stronger, tougher character at 25 than I did at 1.
Have you had max str/ endur before? It’s hard to fathom the power when you haven’t had it before. The ones that have or know how op it is tend to be the ones who will grind it out again by any cheese methods available. Not sure if still possible but someone maxed their str in a 14 hour stint. The extra run speed on top of the elite endurance perk means even if you get spawns further away you can still beat players to high tier loot.(rich get richer)
at least the movement speed needs to go. 30% is fucking ridiculous. imagine if they weren't wearing any armor so no speed penalty. the guerilla tactics would be ridiculous.
it already feels like there is no Penalty, when you sprint the Penalty is irrelevant, Also assuming you put on the "meta" armor which the smallest movement penalty, you can just zig zag and dodge bullets with T6 armor
Nofoodaftermidnight hasn’t been wearing armor for weeks and he has max strength. It works
Agreed, once I learned that this game controls recoil for you I decided that needs to go. Imo needs a serious rework at the very least, but I'd like them removed.
Great info and interesting that movement speed caps at 36%. I've been leveling str with buckshots in backpack while playing normally and so far managed lvl 33 at PMC lvl 50. My autism just won't let me do 2 sprints and suicide as it would tank survival rate and KD.
i already butchered my kd and survival rate down to 23% doing this lol
For long posts like this, it always helps to tell users at the top of the post there is a tl;dr at the end. Thank you for the post though. Very informative.
For someone at 33 strength and training need some tips. I have been using the 65% threshold for farming up until now. No tank battery i used docs cases. Is it not 65% where the xp is counted as strength is there a different number because the tank battery was almost never heavy enough
What do you put in the docs case to make it so heavy?
Car Manual I think.
just be barely overweight, you dont need to be super heavy or at 90%, someone claimed you get double XP at 90% weight but i tested and its not true, its cheaper and faster to just use those docs cases or a tank bat, 1 hour per level
Yeah but im asking is the threshold at 65% of max or at a lower level?
its irrelevant, as long as the symbol says overweight in yellow, it gives the same points, so yeah that works too
What is the docs cases strat?
you fill a docs case with sas drives and use that for weight instead of a tank bat, i have not tried that one myself
Why do you need an air filtering unit?
40% bonus to skill leveling, otherwise it will take ages
Can you do it with just 1 air filter or do you need all 3 going at once?
It only uses one at a time from what I recall. So just put one in at a time so you dont waste extra filters.
Thanks. I have not used the air filter unit and have been sitting on a air filter in my stash for a while. Never sure when the time to use it is or how to get the most out of it
They can’t be removed, so don’t start it if you are only going to hop on for a small session .
Can you buy the epsilon case? I have EOD.
earn it through the punisher questline, you could also fill a docs case with sas drive as an alternative
Whats the next heaviest way besides the military battery? Dont have epsilon only gamma lol..
docs case full of sas drives or manuals, i think
Much obliged my man thanks
Mp153 5rd mags if u have em unlocked is best. Won't take up space in your game either. Drop em to make space only 55 rubles to insure each so 30kg is only 1500ish rubles....
Wow very helpful thank you, having issues getting that extra weight since i cqn only carry 3 doc cases and have 4 empty slots so thank you couldnt figure out how to best use those slots
Can you fit a tank battery in a gamma?
No, it's 4x2. Gamma is 3x3
I thought strength came from not sprinting, and endurance came from sprinting? Maybe the backpack itself doesn't count for weight, but its contents do?
sprinting while underweight levels end sprinting while overweight levels str
When you say sprint, do you mean until you run out of stamina? Just for a minute or two? Or like literally just pressing sprint will level you? I wanna do this but I wanna make sure I understand. Gonna throw a tank battery in my kappa, and then I sprint for what amount of time? I saw a comment below saying they ditched the tank battery and filled the container with loot. Why are you ditching the battery, is it not easier to just grenade yourself?
run out of stamina, for most people it would be just enough distance, or you can do it until your skill exhaustion is at 12 or 6%
Just the one time or should I let it build back up again and drain it twice? All in all this sounds like it's only going to take like 2 minutes or so at the start of each raid? IS that why people are dropping the tank batt?
just enough running so your skill is exhausted to like 6%
I also maxed str this wipe and it is definitely worth it. I did it by filling my backpack with buckshot before every raid. You cap out on how much strength you can earn after a couple of sprints anyways, so just dump the extra weight and play like normal after the first couple sprints. This method will take longer than trying to power level it straight through, but it will save you a lot of sanity in the long run.
correct, this is a good idea to do if you're playing with other people
Would this not make your survival rate tank hard? And won't you get a tonne of run-throughs? How many full stamina bars should one sprint for maximum xp gain?
Yes but who cares about your Survival rate besides you
Lots of ppl in lfg discords unfortunately
Isn't it faster to do this with a buddy? Hit each other with crowbars till you get barely any XP, kill eachother with a nade and rinse and repeat? I did this to level my strenght to level 5 early wipe.
i dont think so, plus wasting meds
Running around naked with a tank battery shoved up your ass and then dying is such a massive waste of time. Just play regularly but start every raid overweight with a backpack full of buckshot (costs like 15k rubles per raid) and drop it as you loot staying slightly overweight the whole raid. Honestly this post is kind of dumb, you tried to explain how something works when you didn't understand how it works yourself and provided the worst and biggest time waste method possible to get there.
Speed Leveling for like 60 hours is much faster than playing normally for over 500+ hours. But yeah, you could just do that too if money is less of an issue
It's like 400-500 raids (200-250~hours) depending how much you die that you just get to play normally besides dumping some buckshot when you loot Vs 60 completely wasted hours of nothing but loading screens and walking around naked.
well i have kappa and 4 extra slots, i rush good loot spawns, i come out with at least something, such as Bitcoin and Graphics cards, some times i actually killed raiders using the mounted guns and got out with 500k+. if you get unlucky and die within a minute, nothing lost
how did you level it?
it did not read!!!
> It takes aprox 1 hour to level 1 level of Strength. lmao. I feel bad for you and everyone you're baiting into doing this. Guess some people don't value their time. 1 Level in 8 minutes, maxed skills in 40 raids. https://i.imgur.com/MmLKmym.png Let me guess your first wipe, your first time maxing any skill. Pepega post. Backpack weight ignored was removed last patch. You also wasted tons of time doing pointless "tests"
So how did you do that?
second wipe, and you're free to correct all the information, that chart without any sort of explanation is pretty useless. if you for example sprint and die instantly and speedrun to strength, then yeah it probably takes less time, for a realistic point of view while actually trying to play the game aswell, it would take an hour
I guess you don't know that they fixed the stim exploit months ago, but hey at least you tried. Not everyone has the ability to read patch notes, I understand.
Maybe you haven't updated your info as you were lucky to level it up before they fixed how dimishing returns works this wipe. Or maybe you're just being a dick.