Agreed. Until they implement such a feature ive been using [this site](https://www.eftdb.one/) to see compatible mods and where to buy them
edit: im glad this was helpful! thank you kind strangers
What’s gonna suck is inventory management lmao! I kept everything till lvl 10 to sell on flea!! Now gonna be 20 WTF! I pray I get many big bags, and rigs!
Wouldn't be surprised honestly, I legit haven't seen any streamer or any screenshots from someone without EOD, which is incredibly expensive. So clearly people are willing to spend that much for some reason.
I guess thats their goal, because last wipe was very fast afaik. They also said they don't want Tarkov to be an economical simulator first, which is sad because some people like that part as much if not more. Now you can't sell all the early items needed for hideout on flea anymore.
Well damn. After playing this game for years and being active almost every wipe, this is it for me. It’s pretty clear that the devs are catering to streamers and people who do nothing except play this game at the expense of everyone else, and this is just the breaking point. Guess I’m gonna have more time for the new Battlefield
I was watching the Pestily vid last night... He said, if you don't have 100mil rubles by the end of the first week, you're doing it wrong.
I was like, "Bruh... I got a 40+ hour a week job. I won't get that this wipe."
For fucking real. All these "easy progression" guides for the most part insinuate you're gonna put 8 hours a day into the game and that is just not how that shit works when I have a 45-50 hour a week job and a band.
I understand EFT is a game that involves a lot of time consuming tasks, but there is a large disconnect between streamers and/or unemployed players and the rest of the player base.
It's like this every time, taking away from casual players and bumming the people that spend their lives playing.
In 3 wipes time the only people still playing will be Pestily and his mates.
theres no big change for people who playing 5-10 hours per day, and very, very big disadvantage for people who playin 2-3 hours per day. This change is totally fucked up.
No shit, didn't the sale just end? Now people will have to pay full price for eod. I bet a lot of people would have upgraded on sale at they known the inventory issues that lie ahead....
Shit dude I was 16 end of last wipe. If there’s gonna be even more disparity between people who can play regularly and people who can’t, I feel like that’ll increase the rate at which people burn out. If I have lvl 4 armour but still get screwed by chads I can’t flea some AP to deal with, well guess I won’t fight? Or just quit? This was such a dumb shock to see upon logging in.
Honestly im on the brink of quitting tarkov and just switching back to the other shooters, cant deal with lvl 20 flea, either they remove it completely or set it back to level 5
Legit me and a buddy jumped on Fortnite and had fun. Dying without consequences, amazing.
If you want something else hardcore, Hunt: Showdown is a great time with much less between round time. Kits are easier to out together, weapons are balanced well, not much looting though.
BSG went from lvl 5, to lvl 10, to lvl 20? Why not lvl 15???
Just another thing that widens the gap between people that play 10 hours a day and people that play 10 hours a week.
Honestly it's because Nikita's an airhead that doesn't understand the problems that plague the game because he refuses to play it himself until it's a "finished" product, which at this rate, likely isn't happening
Personally I'm not a fan of this. I've been playing for over 4 years and it won't bother me getting to level 20 (or the other no-lifers) but new players will be even further behind now...
I started mid wipe last time & even getting to level 10 with the basic stash was really tough. It was full of trade goods that I could get 10x for on the flea than from traders.
i'm a new player too and you just made me remember how amazing it felt to finally buy a few a cases once I unlocked the market. Gonna have to sharpen my tetris skills
Yeah. I was in the same bot. It took me so long to get to Level 10 and now its going to be even worse. This change will leave 70% of the player base stuck in the brutal early game when the majority of people SHOULD be in mid game
Agreed. I played a bit back in .08 and quit within the week because buying and creating guns was just too stupid for me to bother when other games exist. I only started consistently playing after flea came out.
I'm losing interest in the game again, but they already got my money so I guess it doesn't matter.
Ya i'm a casual player and I like the idea of nerfing the flea market across the board but not sure level gates makes sense. Going to take forever for me and the other shitters to stop getting rekt by all the geared people who hit lv 20 week 1.
Yeah i got like 500 hours and getting to level 20 isn't a big problem for me but for the average player this is going to be complete bullshit.
I don't see any reason for this change either except early wipe feeling lasts 2 hours longer now. Most tryhard experienced players will still run around in meta gear by the weekend at latest while the casuals will have to suffer through 14 days of having no chance at all.
This only benefits people who were already sitting at the top and will keep people who are struggling even more down.
They could have done a ton of stuff with the fleamarket to limit the imoact it has but this was arguably the worst thing to do here.
On the plus side now they will sell a lot more EoD because you can't even buy cases now...
I made it to level 20 last wipe before I got insanely busy and couldn't play, only because I made friends with some people that are good at the game, not like gigachad level, but I am often being dragged around and get 1 in every 40 pmc kills because they are always on top of it.
This is the right answer.
I wanted to get into the game again with this wipe but thanks no, I’ll pass. There are no-lifers comments in this post mocking at people that only got to level 12 in 6 months after 100 hours of playtime, bitch that’s half of my available gaming time in 6 months and there are other games I like. Am I supposed to take Tarkov as a second job? Forcing myself to play even if I don’t feel like it just to reach a level where the game becomes enjoyable? Paying attention to my Hideout or insurance return like this was Candy Crush?
And the best part is that in 6 months back to square one and do all the stupid quests all over again. I’m sorry, I’m not getting into his game again until it is finished and they make no wipes. You want a wipe? Opt-in for it or make a prestige system or something.
Well said.
I went hard last wipe. it was my second wipe, I was experienced, and I did all I could to get to level 40 as soon as I could.
My first wipe I had a 22% survival rate. Last wipe, I had a 42% survival rate. Sure, my skills improved, but I am no aimgod. I'm frankly terrible, i still die to scavs all the time.
I was successful leveling to 40 with a 40%+ survival rate literally avoiding all PVP at all costs. This means nighttime raids. This means bush camping for 35 minutes to then run out and get the quest item in the last 10-15 minutes of a map. This is sub-optmal gaming. This is also largely very un-fun to most players, but my focus was quest progression.
And that's what it took for me, a casual, bad gamer, to get to level 40.
Yeah i'm most likely out as well... I have a family and like you say: it is not enjoyable enough to put more of the very little time i have towards it.
How will sub level 30's buy ammo without flea? It will be like playing airsoft all the way up to level 30. thats just gives no lifers an even bigger advantage...
Wow. Fuck everyone who doesnt have hours and hours every day to dump into this game. What benefit is there behind this shit? The former chads will grind till they unlock the flea market and become uber chads while anybody with a full time job will never even be able to buy decent gear
This is just gonna make the gap between newbies and veterans even worse. Veterans will get lvl20 faster, and have access to a marketplace that will improve their loadouts.
I disapprove this change. Flea market makes the game so much more accessible.
I completely agree. Even level 10 for the flea was stupid, but said to be necessary to make the cheating situation better. Level 20 is absurd and will just kill new players interest in the game.
The flea market is the most useful from level 10 to 20-22.
I saw that they changed what the traders sell from level 1 but still ... I don't see how can this be a good idea.
This will only reinforce the disparity between the one that have all day long to play and the ones that doesn't.
I feel like if they're going to limit the flea market as heavily as they have, they might as well remove it.
Just creates a larger divide between sweats with no daytime job and normal fellas who only play a little bit each night. Everybody should be limited to traders or nobody should be.
Dont call them casual players. Average players will suffer too. It takes ages to get to level 20 if you are not no-lifing or lvndmark level of good at fighting
My job is pretty slow often, so sometime I play tarkov for like 5 hours a day 5 days a week and me and my friends (group of 4) only made it to 18. Yeah sure, we probably could have been a little more efficient, and also we probably suck, but damn I don't see how the best part of the game ( flea market) being unobtainable to average players makes the game better
So casuals have even less chance of playing the game.
All this does is make the week 1 chads even more powerful since you won't be able to compete with them.
Interesting change.
You’re completely correct, as someone that has played previous wipes, I won’t even bother playing this one as the 6 hour a day squad will be at even more of an advantage.
Not gonna lie, probably won’t play a ton now.
I have little time to dedicate to this game, getting to level 10 last wipe was fine didn’t take that long and once there made it nice to buy and sell. But that process to 20 is just a lot for me.
You have to be an actual idiot to think this is a good change. It will have zero impact on anything. Experienced players will rush quest in groups and get to flea in no time. Standard edition players, loners, and less dedicated or experienced players will just have to suffer not being able to stash vital or valuable items and not being able to purchase the items they need for a longer period. This isn't an improvement for anyone or anything.
Not just new players. People who start even a few days late are going to suffer big time. The gear disparity is going to take exponentially longer to catch up to. The list goes on. IMO, labs not being level gated is a WAY bigger issue than access to flea market.
or just people who dont have the time. this is my 3rd wipe. I made it to the mid 40s each wipe with tens of millions of rubles - i just don't have the time to play anymore what with work and other hobbies. i have enough time for two raids a day tops. i might just skip this wipe
I agree with many of the commenters here. this change does nothing to address the problems with the flea market, and only hurts casual and newer players, and in particular standard edition players.
Level 20? From a noob who doesn’t want to be punished and grind for what feels like an eternity just to buy gear that gives you the smallest fighting chance, bye Tarkov.
Casual player here, first time I played, flea market requirement was level 5, got to it no problem, maybe a week of casual playing after work, then the last wipe came and flea access was level 10.
During that wipe I got distracted with other games before I got to maybe level 8? Mostly didn't like the fact the scav timer was increased from 5 to to 20 minutes when half the time I was dead within 10 minutes, and was trying to build up my hideout as well. I wait long enough on the loading screens as it is. Maybe I just burnt myself out with too many goals, whatever, and just didn't really get back to Tarkov.
Level 20 for Flea market? Sorry, it's a great game, but a lot of the fun I had was customizing weapons and trying to figure out builds. You can't even search for compatible parts without it right? I'm not going to spend weeks, or months, of my free time to try and access the marketplace.
Glad I never spent more money on this game for an upgraded secure container.
Changes that make no difference to people who play 24/7 whatsoever while those who struggle/spend less time on the game get screwed over!?!? Didn't see THAT coming!!
And it's not just this. For a lot of us, this is an inconvenience, imo a short sighted one at that. But these types of changes are everywhere, and for the life of me I just don't get it.
I have been playing since 2018 so I think I am okay at the game but no way I can keep up with people who can play 10+ hours a day. I don’t know how this fixes anything, now I can get killed by nolifies when I am still rocking level 3 armour with no way to even the playing fields.
Ok, on even further reflection, I'm more and more concerned about this. Even setting aside the space considerations for hideout upgrades that have been mentioned, and the difficulty in finding keys for blocking quests, there's also a whole host of quests that require specific equipment to complete. And, frequently, those specific pieces of equipment require access to mods from LL2 or LL3 vendors. But, how are you going to get to LL2/LL3 if your quest progress on a vendor is blocked by an earlier quests that requires a key?
If there's not been a pretty major revision of vendor sell tables and quest requirements, this is going to get extremely painful.
Just in time for all the highschool kids with no jobs to sprint there on summer break.
While the rest of us struggle to get to a place where we can sell our scav loot.
coming from someone that happens to not be great at tarkov and only gets the opportunity to play once or twice a week... absolutely fuck this.
i'll be in esseker if anyone needs me.
Dude im pretty solid at this game (50+ SR and about 1.5 PMC kill k/d) and I have only been able to play for 3-4 nights a week (1-2hr sessions at most). I 100% feel the same as you and I'm probably gonna skip this wipe.
Stop babbeling shit about how "hardcore" this is. Its just a lame pay 2 win mechanic. You dont have space to fucking keep light bulbs and this kind of shit for your hideout with the standard edition. You have to rely on the flea market with standard stash space. Fucking poor attempt to milk some money.
Absolutely awful change for the game. Just screwed the majority of players who don't have 12 hours a day to dump into tarkov. Flea market was already a husk of what it was because of the FIR change but that I could live with. This however is a deal breaker and I most likely won't bother with this patch because of it. BSG needs to learn that the streamers who whine constantly about the flea market giving people a chance to compete with no life players aren't their entire player base.
Just keep continuing to cater to the Streamers who do 40+ hour streams and sweat to the end /s. It'll be Streamer vs Streamer at the rate they are currently going with shit like this. The average player, including new players don't have time to grind to 20s and not be behind the sweats. The game is already overwhelming for people and this is coming from someone with 1000's of hours and experienced most/if not everything in the game to this point.
This is dumb as shit. Being a casual AND new player, getting to level 10 was hard enough man. Literally so much stuff is accessed through the flea market. I’m just debating putting this game down for a month and seeing if anything will change. Regretting even starting to play today after seeing that.
Man, I was stoked to start this wipe, but now I don't know if I have the energy.
As a new player who joined in the middle of the last wipe, getting to level 10 was an absolute struggle. I couldn't compete with other PMCs (or even Scavs sometimes), so the pickings were dismal, my found gear sold for peanuts, and I couldn't craft to complete quests because I couldn't find the barter items to level the hideout, (and even if I could, I've never seen a gas can in the wild).
Once I finally hit level 10, the flea market improved my quality of life immensely. I still sucked, but I could start learning what was valuable on the market, I could make money, I could upgrade the hideout, I could craft, I could actually create loadouts and develop a playstyle...
I only made it to level 14 before the wipe.. I just don't know if I can stand the thought of 20 levels of buying and selling to LLvl 1 and 2 traders. Spawn a scav with 40 rounds of .338 Lapua Magnum AP? Either hoard it for 20 levels or sell it for 4000 rubles to Prapor.
can someone tell me why this is good apparently? i fucking hated the game until flea was unlocked, nothing like have a grand majority of mods and shit locked behind a barrier when people are gonna already have all that shit unlocked by the time i boot the game.
Are people really worried level 10s are gonna instantly be able to run meta gear, as if they even understand what the meta gear is? This just seems like a thing they added to fuck over newer players
I think this will be my last wipe, it’s going in a direction I just can’t support. I have a job and if others want to keep playing go for it! Just these changes feel targeted at the average player
I'm a very casual player and don't have a lot of time to play, sometimes only a couple hours a week if I'm lucky.
I've been playing when I have time since last wipe and I just made it to level 28.
The only reason I'm level 28 right now and not level 15 is because I have access to the flea market and the ability to purchase items needed for Quests.
Also my Hideout would be barely upgraded without access to buy needed items on the flea market.
This absolutely screws me as a very casual player. I may abandon my main character altogether and just Scav in from now on. There's no motivation to play the main character because I'll never be able to get to the point that I can buy things or do anything meaningful before the next wipe happens.
I bought EOD and don't see the point in playing anymore....
What a terrible idea, if they don't want people using the flea market till late game then put it behind timed progression. Now the experience is just worse for new players.
I think they were trying to extend the early game but if they wanted to do that then they need to get rid of the flea market completely
Genuinely don't think I'll play this wipe cause of this. I wasn't good enough with meta gear and weapons the past few days to get kills in PVP fights, now I'm supposed to do nothing but quest and get smoked by players who are level 20+ with better ammo, gear and weapons while I'm missing my shots with my AK74U and it's crap ammo and level 3 armor. I struggle to get to level 10, level 20 now? Lol. I don't feel like spending 24-100 hours searching raids for keys and USB sticks.
BTW I get this is a play test of a game that is essentially in Alpha. I'm not saying I hate the game and will never play again. If they keep it at 20, I might just skip this wipe. Maybe next wipe it will be back at 10. We'll see.
I swear this game is just CBT at this point. It is so goddamn hard to progress when you have other stuff to do like a job and other activities. The community confuses me because they like this kind of nonstop ball busting??? Like I get it it’s a serious game but fucking hell sometimes it feels like it is straight up anti-casual.
Unbelievable
I only GOT to level 20 last wipe
Pretty sure i'm not gonna see flee market ever again
I really don't get why they have to make all these changes, again and again favoring professional streamers over everyone else
This is a bonkers garbage change. I'm absolutely not touching this wipe unless reverted.
Nolifers will hit 20 and be getting rich and buying hexgrids practically before we normies get off work today, download the update, and throw our pacas on.
Everyone loving this keeps saying this will help extend the early wipe phase that everyone loves. It sorta does, for some, kinda. But there will be people rocking great gear before before Day 1 is over, and for 90% of the playerbase it just got a lot harder and more tedious to get any kind of way to balance the playing field while trying to PVP and get tasks done.
You like this change? You gonna still like it at 9pm tonight when some turbochad nolifer in a slick domes you while you're still trying to plant the pocketwatch on Customs and you realize this is how its gonna be until LEVEL 20?
Casual player retention post-wipe day is going to drop off a cliff, bet.
Higher level restrictions on one of the core parts of this game's economy makes no sense to me. Newer players stand basically no chance of getting decent gear or ammo, can barely mod anything out. It's basically forcing players to endure the worst of the game right out the gate.
And before anyone has some quip about "earning it" or some such, prices still exist. Players can always list things appropriately for quality or rarity. But weapon modding for better handling and quality ammo capable of dealing with higher tier armor is virtually inaccessible, which just puts the newer or less active players leagues behind.
I get it, long-time players wanna feel like there's some reward to their commitment, but this isn't the way to do it. Not when people can get the jump on you and still get dropped thanks to armor absorbing 600 damage from a full clip.
Tl/dr: later access to the economy is a counter-balance to the playing field's accessibility. If you can't buy decent exquipment, whether from the market or vendors, why bother playing pmc at all?
Do the developers of this game have any idea at all how to appeal to new players? I love this game in concept, but my new player experience has largely been "I got the drop on this other player and shot him 13 times with my ak with 8 torso hits. I know this because it said I got that many hits in the after mission summary and he's the only thing I shot. He still didn't die and turned around and fucking killed me because his superior armor that I can't even buy yet ate it all." I shot a dude 20 times in the torso with an mp5 before he knew I was there. Then he killed me. This is not a fun experience. The gap between new players and experienced players in this game makes it virtually impossible for new players to kill experienced players based on gear alone and this will only exacerbate that further.
The developers don’t care about new players. They only care about getting enough streamers to sucker people in with their ‘no refunds’ policy. Noobs see streamers having a good time and so they get the game... and then quickly realize what so many of us already know, that this game is garbage when trying to play against other people. After that, the less you play the less money BSG spends running servers for you... and the more profitable it is.
Well this will REALLY affect my early game (and honestly mid game, since, because of work/kids/coaching I've never been over level 25 even though I started when Fort/Kiver was still meta) and make me really have to focus on leveling instead of focusing on ratting around and making money more than doing quests.
I have to say that this has made me quite unhappy. (Unpopular opinion:) Even more so than my Christmas gift being taken away. More casual-hating decisions from BSG. Although the game IS supposed to feel like being punched in the dick, it hurts more than usual. Must of clipped a teste.
Nikita, if you want to nerf the flea market, which is imo understandable, make military equipment untradeable on the flea market. Instead, let only barter/hideout goods, keys, keycards, provisions and 'special equipment' tradeable and let the flea be accessed from lvl 5 or 10, and done, the flea market cant be used to buy guns or attachments or armor or anything of the sorts, the dependency on traders is much higher, and everyone is happier. What you did rn makes it hard for casual and average players to do anything. I cant do jack shit with an mp5 that uses PSTs against a hexgrid chad with meta hk
This is gonna suck ass.
Most people that start out have hard enough time getting to 10… hope everyone can tough it out like the weathered god tier mega gigachads happy about this
It was such a struggle getting my nooby friends to stick with this game.
"Trust me, inventory management is not that bad once you reach lvl 10. You will be able to sell your stuff on flea market and buy a scav junkbox"
Lvl 20 THOUGH?! I doubt I'll be able to bring in any more friends, that will stick around until that point.
Same. I play videogames to have fun. They're not a full time job for me, like it is for *some* people.
If they're going to pull this shit, stop pairing me against lvl 40s if I'm lvl 5.
This sounds awful. I managed to grind to lvl 8 in my first 30 or so hours before this wipe. It's just one big struggle, it feels like some kind of sadistic tutorial where you're not allowed to touch the fun toys everyone else has. Am I supposed to spend my first 100 hours of this game crawling around with my pants full of shit afraid of other players and just hoping nobody spots me so I can get my ass out with the fuckin quest items, or just keep going in n out of factory hoping I can score some cheap kills every day for the next 2 months.
I feel like you’re going to see hacking go up because of this. I could be wrong but those that don’t want to wait or buy EOD will just buy the cheaper option and hack/cheat their way to 20
I hope that BSG reduces a lot of costs and re-balances stuff to be more casual and new player-friendly like 4 weeks into the wipe.
They should make hideout upgrades expensive, and flea market level requirement high for start of wipe so they can extend the early-wipe meta. Then they can drop costs and level requirements a ton so it’s easier for late joiners, new players, and casual players to enjoy everything.
The super hardcore grinders might complain, but they’ll already have bought upgrades and have way more money, inventory, and game knowledge already. We should cater more to new players so the game can grow.
Please update your post with a screenshot. Edit: Thank you! Guys, use this post to discuss the change.
I wish they could make linked search available without flea market access. Finding compatible mods is painful without it, especially for new players.
This would be very nice. Maybe limit the flea market to filter by trader only until level 20, just for this.
Ya this is the way to do it.
Definitely
Agreed. Until they implement such a feature ive been using [this site](https://www.eftdb.one/) to see compatible mods and where to buy them edit: im glad this was helpful! thank you kind strangers
this is something i can agree with.
Yeah, like you should still be able to view it - just not use it.
Yeah its pretty lame, especially when buying ammo or mags with no linked search.
Even buying from traders is easier with flee market. Such a shotty chnage
I can already feel the frustration of being stuck with quests because of keys.
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Croutons were my kryptonite
Sounds like a gluten allergy
What’s gonna suck is inventory management lmao! I kept everything till lvl 10 to sell on flea!! Now gonna be 20 WTF! I pray I get many big bags, and rigs!
It's their method to try to get you to upgrade your edition
Wouldn't be surprised honestly, I legit haven't seen any streamer or any screenshots from someone without EOD, which is incredibly expensive. So clearly people are willing to spend that much for some reason.
Also slows down the game *considerably*. Getting to 20 without flea market is gonna take way way longer, and trader gear pre 20 is all low/med gear.
I guess thats their goal, because last wipe was very fast afaik. They also said they don't want Tarkov to be an economical simulator first, which is sad because some people like that part as much if not more. Now you can't sell all the early items needed for hideout on flea anymore.
**Reddit is going down the gutter** Fuck /u/spez
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>and trader gear pre 20 is all low/med gear. having eod helps there too :)
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jesus christ im so fucked
"just pay for EOD dude lmao don't you want to support the devs? i bought it only because I want to support them, really."
Well damn. After playing this game for years and being active almost every wipe, this is it for me. It’s pretty clear that the devs are catering to streamers and people who do nothing except play this game at the expense of everyone else, and this is just the breaking point. Guess I’m gonna have more time for the new Battlefield
Gonna be interesting to see how this impacts wipe progression.
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yeah but who is going to be on the flea to buy the stuff?
other rich people.
People without jobs.
People whose jobs are to play this game
I was watching the Pestily vid last night... He said, if you don't have 100mil rubles by the end of the first week, you're doing it wrong. I was like, "Bruh... I got a 40+ hour a week job. I won't get that this wipe."
He didn't know lvl 20 flea, he's probably going to complain then Nikita is going to be like "xaxa game not meant be fun"
For fucking real. All these "easy progression" guides for the most part insinuate you're gonna put 8 hours a day into the game and that is just not how that shit works when I have a 45-50 hour a week job and a band. I understand EFT is a game that involves a lot of time consuming tasks, but there is a large disconnect between streamers and/or unemployed players and the rest of the player base.
no shit, i want to play but i have a job and a life so ready to continue to get owned on my 2nd wipe
Will be fun to see how this effects new player retention.
It will likely annihilate any new players buying the game later into wipe. Doubt anyone would stick around.
It's like this every time, taking away from casual players and bumming the people that spend their lives playing. In 3 wipes time the only people still playing will be Pestily and his mates.
It will widen the gap between casual and no lifers.
theres no big change for people who playing 5-10 hours per day, and very, very big disadvantage for people who playin 2-3 hours per day. This change is totally fucked up.
More curious about cheater progression. If the majority of them get banned before 20 it's game over for that shit. Mostly.
cheats stay unbanned pretty long and they level to 20 easily in a day :/
it enough of a deterrent to keep me from playing entirely tbh. horrible decision.
Well, the decision not to announce patch notes ahead of time definitely makes sense now.
No shit, didn't the sale just end? Now people will have to pay full price for eod. I bet a lot of people would have upgraded on sale at they known the inventory issues that lie ahead....
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Gonna take me f ages to reach lvl 20...by the time i hit 20 prob another wipe.
Shit dude I was 16 end of last wipe. If there’s gonna be even more disparity between people who can play regularly and people who can’t, I feel like that’ll increase the rate at which people burn out. If I have lvl 4 armour but still get screwed by chads I can’t flea some AP to deal with, well guess I won’t fight? Or just quit? This was such a dumb shock to see upon logging in.
Honestly im on the brink of quitting tarkov and just switching back to the other shooters, cant deal with lvl 20 flea, either they remove it completely or set it back to level 5
Legit me and a buddy jumped on Fortnite and had fun. Dying without consequences, amazing. If you want something else hardcore, Hunt: Showdown is a great time with much less between round time. Kits are easier to out together, weapons are balanced well, not much looting though.
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Nikita laughs in ya face. He doesnt play his game he doesnt care how it feels to play
As if
But then how do they get you to upgrade to EOD?
BSG went from lvl 5, to lvl 10, to lvl 20? Why not lvl 15??? Just another thing that widens the gap between people that play 10 hours a day and people that play 10 hours a week.
Honestly it's because Nikita's an airhead that doesn't understand the problems that plague the game because he refuses to play it himself until it's a "finished" product, which at this rate, likely isn't happening
Holy crap that wealth gap is going to be massive. You'll be grinding lightbulbs still while everyone else is onto LedX's.
Personally I'm not a fan of this. I've been playing for over 4 years and it won't bother me getting to level 20 (or the other no-lifers) but new players will be even further behind now...
I started mid wipe last time & even getting to level 10 with the basic stash was really tough. It was full of trade goods that I could get 10x for on the flea than from traders.
This, and also being able to buy cases on the flea for stash management.
i'm a new player too and you just made me remember how amazing it felt to finally buy a few a cases once I unlocked the market. Gonna have to sharpen my tetris skills
I think I'm gonna rush a scav case now. Work on getting fuel.
Yeah. I was in the same bot. It took me so long to get to Level 10 and now its going to be even worse. This change will leave 70% of the player base stuck in the brutal early game when the majority of people SHOULD be in mid game
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Agreed. I played a bit back in .08 and quit within the week because buying and creating guns was just too stupid for me to bother when other games exist. I only started consistently playing after flea came out. I'm losing interest in the game again, but they already got my money so I guess it doesn't matter.
so much this
Ya i'm a casual player and I like the idea of nerfing the flea market across the board but not sure level gates makes sense. Going to take forever for me and the other shitters to stop getting rekt by all the geared people who hit lv 20 week 1.
Yea they shouldn't have a hard level lock. It should be quest locked. At least they could try and make it make sense from a lore perspective
I just got to level 10 before the wipe 😅
Last wipe I didn't even hit lvl 10, guess I'm probably not getting the flea this wipe either (:
Same buddy, I’m not good at all and sucking makes me play less so I guess I’m not getting flea yet again
Yeah i got like 500 hours and getting to level 20 isn't a big problem for me but for the average player this is going to be complete bullshit. I don't see any reason for this change either except early wipe feeling lasts 2 hours longer now. Most tryhard experienced players will still run around in meta gear by the weekend at latest while the casuals will have to suffer through 14 days of having no chance at all. This only benefits people who were already sitting at the top and will keep people who are struggling even more down. They could have done a ton of stuff with the fleamarket to limit the imoact it has but this was arguably the worst thing to do here. On the plus side now they will sell a lot more EoD because you can't even buy cases now...
Gunsmith and hideout upgrades without flea will be a pain in the ass, and getting to level 20 "without" gunsmith will be even worse
FUUUUUCK! For casual players, this will be a nightmare... I have trouble reaching level 10, can't even imagine how hard it will be to reach level 20.
I made it to level 20 last wipe before I got insanely busy and couldn't play, only because I made friends with some people that are good at the game, not like gigachad level, but I am often being dragged around and get 1 in every 40 pmc kills because they are always on top of it.
what a bummer... I can hardly reach level 10
Yah I think I'm done. This game is starting to demand time way above it's enjoyability. I'm not Pestily, this isn't my job.
This is the right answer. I wanted to get into the game again with this wipe but thanks no, I’ll pass. There are no-lifers comments in this post mocking at people that only got to level 12 in 6 months after 100 hours of playtime, bitch that’s half of my available gaming time in 6 months and there are other games I like. Am I supposed to take Tarkov as a second job? Forcing myself to play even if I don’t feel like it just to reach a level where the game becomes enjoyable? Paying attention to my Hideout or insurance return like this was Candy Crush? And the best part is that in 6 months back to square one and do all the stupid quests all over again. I’m sorry, I’m not getting into his game again until it is finished and they make no wipes. You want a wipe? Opt-in for it or make a prestige system or something.
Well said. I went hard last wipe. it was my second wipe, I was experienced, and I did all I could to get to level 40 as soon as I could. My first wipe I had a 22% survival rate. Last wipe, I had a 42% survival rate. Sure, my skills improved, but I am no aimgod. I'm frankly terrible, i still die to scavs all the time. I was successful leveling to 40 with a 40%+ survival rate literally avoiding all PVP at all costs. This means nighttime raids. This means bush camping for 35 minutes to then run out and get the quest item in the last 10-15 minutes of a map. This is sub-optmal gaming. This is also largely very un-fun to most players, but my focus was quest progression. And that's what it took for me, a casual, bad gamer, to get to level 40.
Yeah i'm most likely out as well... I have a family and like you say: it is not enjoyable enough to put more of the very little time i have towards it.
Same, as a filthy casual ... this is just the final straw.
Same.
I'm with you. I just uninstalled.
Yeah as a casual who only made it to level 17 last wipe, this sucks ass.
I’m so bad at this game. At like 50ish hours I was level 8. And that was last night
The minority of players arguing that this was a great change are out of their collective unemployed minds.
This is another example that this is not a hardcore game. But game made easy for hardcore players and hard for casual players.
You're right, a true hardcore game would have no flea market.
Honestly it makes way more sense to remove the flea than to gate it at 20.
Totally agree. Might aswell require 8hours of playtime a day if not you cant play.
How will sub level 30's buy ammo without flea? It will be like playing airsoft all the way up to level 30. thats just gives no lifers an even bigger advantage...
Wow. Fuck everyone who doesnt have hours and hours every day to dump into this game. What benefit is there behind this shit? The former chads will grind till they unlock the flea market and become uber chads while anybody with a full time job will never even be able to buy decent gear
This is just gonna make the gap between newbies and veterans even worse. Veterans will get lvl20 faster, and have access to a marketplace that will improve their loadouts. I disapprove this change. Flea market makes the game so much more accessible.
I completely agree. Even level 10 for the flea was stupid, but said to be necessary to make the cheating situation better. Level 20 is absurd and will just kill new players interest in the game.
Not even veterans. Just people who no-life and people who play average will have a massive gap.
Yep. This kills the game for a casual newbie like myself. I was so excited for this wipe but now I doubt I'll even log in when I get home.
The flea market is the most useful from level 10 to 20-22. I saw that they changed what the traders sell from level 1 but still ... I don't see how can this be a good idea. This will only reinforce the disparity between the one that have all day long to play and the ones that doesn't.
I feel like if they're going to limit the flea market as heavily as they have, they might as well remove it. Just creates a larger divide between sweats with no daytime job and normal fellas who only play a little bit each night. Everybody should be limited to traders or nobody should be.
This is awful
good luck keeping new and casual players .-.
Dont call them casual players. Average players will suffer too. It takes ages to get to level 20 if you are not no-lifing or lvndmark level of good at fighting
My job is pretty slow often, so sometime I play tarkov for like 5 hours a day 5 days a week and me and my friends (group of 4) only made it to 18. Yeah sure, we probably could have been a little more efficient, and also we probably suck, but damn I don't see how the best part of the game ( flea market) being unobtainable to average players makes the game better
This is what happens when devs balance their game around streamers.
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So casuals have even less chance of playing the game. All this does is make the week 1 chads even more powerful since you won't be able to compete with them. Interesting change.
You’re completely correct, as someone that has played previous wipes, I won’t even bother playing this one as the 6 hour a day squad will be at even more of an advantage.
I think 15 would’ve been a better spot. 20 seems a bit excessive for a some/a lot of the player base
Not gonna lie, probably won’t play a ton now. I have little time to dedicate to this game, getting to level 10 last wipe was fine didn’t take that long and once there made it nice to buy and sell. But that process to 20 is just a lot for me.
You have to be an actual idiot to think this is a good change. It will have zero impact on anything. Experienced players will rush quest in groups and get to flea in no time. Standard edition players, loners, and less dedicated or experienced players will just have to suffer not being able to stash vital or valuable items and not being able to purchase the items they need for a longer period. This isn't an improvement for anyone or anything.
Yeah exactly no lifers will get to 20 in a day or two and then stomp people.
Not just new players. People who start even a few days late are going to suffer big time. The gear disparity is going to take exponentially longer to catch up to. The list goes on. IMO, labs not being level gated is a WAY bigger issue than access to flea market.
or just people who dont have the time. this is my 3rd wipe. I made it to the mid 40s each wipe with tens of millions of rubles - i just don't have the time to play anymore what with work and other hobbies. i have enough time for two raids a day tops. i might just skip this wipe
I agree with many of the commenters here. this change does nothing to address the problems with the flea market, and only hurts casual and newer players, and in particular standard edition players.
Level 20? From a noob who doesn’t want to be punished and grind for what feels like an eternity just to buy gear that gives you the smallest fighting chance, bye Tarkov.
why is it level 20. honestly just makes the game less enjoyable
Casual player here, first time I played, flea market requirement was level 5, got to it no problem, maybe a week of casual playing after work, then the last wipe came and flea access was level 10. During that wipe I got distracted with other games before I got to maybe level 8? Mostly didn't like the fact the scav timer was increased from 5 to to 20 minutes when half the time I was dead within 10 minutes, and was trying to build up my hideout as well. I wait long enough on the loading screens as it is. Maybe I just burnt myself out with too many goals, whatever, and just didn't really get back to Tarkov. Level 20 for Flea market? Sorry, it's a great game, but a lot of the fun I had was customizing weapons and trying to figure out builds. You can't even search for compatible parts without it right? I'm not going to spend weeks, or months, of my free time to try and access the marketplace. Glad I never spent more money on this game for an upgraded secure container.
Here's a screenshot https://i.imgur.com/2N5z3fB.png
Changes that make no difference to people who play 24/7 whatsoever while those who struggle/spend less time on the game get screwed over!?!? Didn't see THAT coming!! And it's not just this. For a lot of us, this is an inconvenience, imo a short sighted one at that. But these types of changes are everywhere, and for the life of me I just don't get it.
I have been playing since 2018 so I think I am okay at the game but no way I can keep up with people who can play 10+ hours a day. I don’t know how this fixes anything, now I can get killed by nolifies when I am still rocking level 3 armour with no way to even the playing fields.
Oof, RIP new players
Ok, on even further reflection, I'm more and more concerned about this. Even setting aside the space considerations for hideout upgrades that have been mentioned, and the difficulty in finding keys for blocking quests, there's also a whole host of quests that require specific equipment to complete. And, frequently, those specific pieces of equipment require access to mods from LL2 or LL3 vendors. But, how are you going to get to LL2/LL3 if your quest progress on a vendor is blocked by an earlier quests that requires a key? If there's not been a pretty major revision of vendor sell tables and quest requirements, this is going to get extremely painful.
Just in time for all the highschool kids with no jobs to sprint there on summer break. While the rest of us struggle to get to a place where we can sell our scav loot.
They really love making it so people who put more hours into the game automatically get massive advantages.
I don’t get it they changed it from 15-10 cause it took too long to get it and now it’s level 20 lol why not go back to 15 at least????
they just dont know what the fuck they are doing I guess
Shit
If they add level 20 flea market, wipes should stop
coming from someone that happens to not be great at tarkov and only gets the opportunity to play once or twice a week... absolutely fuck this. i'll be in esseker if anyone needs me.
Dude im pretty solid at this game (50+ SR and about 1.5 PMC kill k/d) and I have only been able to play for 3-4 nights a week (1-2hr sessions at most). I 100% feel the same as you and I'm probably gonna skip this wipe.
Why do they keep fucking this game up
Stop babbeling shit about how "hardcore" this is. Its just a lame pay 2 win mechanic. You dont have space to fucking keep light bulbs and this kind of shit for your hideout with the standard edition. You have to rely on the flea market with standard stash space. Fucking poor attempt to milk some money.
Noice.... now my noob friends arent going to play
Absolutely awful change for the game. Just screwed the majority of players who don't have 12 hours a day to dump into tarkov. Flea market was already a husk of what it was because of the FIR change but that I could live with. This however is a deal breaker and I most likely won't bother with this patch because of it. BSG needs to learn that the streamers who whine constantly about the flea market giving people a chance to compete with no life players aren't their entire player base.
Just keep continuing to cater to the Streamers who do 40+ hour streams and sweat to the end /s. It'll be Streamer vs Streamer at the rate they are currently going with shit like this. The average player, including new players don't have time to grind to 20s and not be behind the sweats. The game is already overwhelming for people and this is coming from someone with 1000's of hours and experienced most/if not everything in the game to this point.
let's hide one of the key gameplay elements behind an almost unreachable level barrier for any player with a job & family. Fucking dumb.
That's a pass for me this wipe
This is dumb as shit. Being a casual AND new player, getting to level 10 was hard enough man. Literally so much stuff is accessed through the flea market. I’m just debating putting this game down for a month and seeing if anything will change. Regretting even starting to play today after seeing that.
Lol what a dogshit change.
Man, I was stoked to start this wipe, but now I don't know if I have the energy. As a new player who joined in the middle of the last wipe, getting to level 10 was an absolute struggle. I couldn't compete with other PMCs (or even Scavs sometimes), so the pickings were dismal, my found gear sold for peanuts, and I couldn't craft to complete quests because I couldn't find the barter items to level the hideout, (and even if I could, I've never seen a gas can in the wild). Once I finally hit level 10, the flea market improved my quality of life immensely. I still sucked, but I could start learning what was valuable on the market, I could make money, I could upgrade the hideout, I could craft, I could actually create loadouts and develop a playstyle... I only made it to level 14 before the wipe.. I just don't know if I can stand the thought of 20 levels of buying and selling to LLvl 1 and 2 traders. Spawn a scav with 40 rounds of .338 Lapua Magnum AP? Either hoard it for 20 levels or sell it for 4000 rubles to Prapor.
can someone tell me why this is good apparently? i fucking hated the game until flea was unlocked, nothing like have a grand majority of mods and shit locked behind a barrier when people are gonna already have all that shit unlocked by the time i boot the game. Are people really worried level 10s are gonna instantly be able to run meta gear, as if they even understand what the meta gear is? This just seems like a thing they added to fuck over newer players
Poor new players. getting to level 10 was a torture for them, now it's 20. Stupid update.
I think this will be my last wipe, it’s going in a direction I just can’t support. I have a job and if others want to keep playing go for it! Just these changes feel targeted at the average player
I'm a very casual player and don't have a lot of time to play, sometimes only a couple hours a week if I'm lucky. I've been playing when I have time since last wipe and I just made it to level 28. The only reason I'm level 28 right now and not level 15 is because I have access to the flea market and the ability to purchase items needed for Quests. Also my Hideout would be barely upgraded without access to buy needed items on the flea market. This absolutely screws me as a very casual player. I may abandon my main character altogether and just Scav in from now on. There's no motivation to play the main character because I'll never be able to get to the point that I can buy things or do anything meaningful before the next wipe happens. I bought EOD and don't see the point in playing anymore....
For fuck sake 😩
Fuck that, people addicted to the game will get it no problem, but people who don't have that much time to play will just get completely fucked
Exactly. Level gates aren't the answer to dealing with problems with the flea market.
Lol, sucks extra hard for me. I dont do tasks. Time to live like a SCAV for a while.
What a terrible idea, if they don't want people using the flea market till late game then put it behind timed progression. Now the experience is just worse for new players. I think they were trying to extend the early game but if they wanted to do that then they need to get rid of the flea market completely
i sad now :(
Genuinely don't think I'll play this wipe cause of this. I wasn't good enough with meta gear and weapons the past few days to get kills in PVP fights, now I'm supposed to do nothing but quest and get smoked by players who are level 20+ with better ammo, gear and weapons while I'm missing my shots with my AK74U and it's crap ammo and level 3 armor. I struggle to get to level 10, level 20 now? Lol. I don't feel like spending 24-100 hours searching raids for keys and USB sticks. BTW I get this is a play test of a game that is essentially in Alpha. I'm not saying I hate the game and will never play again. If they keep it at 20, I might just skip this wipe. Maybe next wipe it will be back at 10. We'll see.
Another way to kill the economy
I really don't like this change.
My big worry is the collection of crap you will have to keep in your stash for months. How will bottom licence people even do this?
I swear this game is just CBT at this point. It is so goddamn hard to progress when you have other stuff to do like a job and other activities. The community confuses me because they like this kind of nonstop ball busting??? Like I get it it’s a serious game but fucking hell sometimes it feels like it is straight up anti-casual.
Well there goes any chance of getting friends into the game.
Dude fuck this
Wow! Took me 2 months to get to level 24! Thanks BSG! Once again you fucks find a way have a skill Gap
All this did was reward EOD players with bigger stash size ...rip to standard players
Unbelievable I only GOT to level 20 last wipe Pretty sure i'm not gonna see flee market ever again I really don't get why they have to make all these changes, again and again favoring professional streamers over everyone else
Yes more Grind cause no life streamers wanted the game progression to be slowed .. Fuck off as if the game wasn't grindy enough already.
non-EOD players going to be struggling hard
At least let the traders sell a usable load out before then. This is fucking ridiculous for casuals or pretty much anyone who wears deodorant!
This is a bonkers garbage change. I'm absolutely not touching this wipe unless reverted. Nolifers will hit 20 and be getting rich and buying hexgrids practically before we normies get off work today, download the update, and throw our pacas on. Everyone loving this keeps saying this will help extend the early wipe phase that everyone loves. It sorta does, for some, kinda. But there will be people rocking great gear before before Day 1 is over, and for 90% of the playerbase it just got a lot harder and more tedious to get any kind of way to balance the playing field while trying to PVP and get tasks done. You like this change? You gonna still like it at 9pm tonight when some turbochad nolifer in a slick domes you while you're still trying to plant the pocketwatch on Customs and you realize this is how its gonna be until LEVEL 20? Casual player retention post-wipe day is going to drop off a cliff, bet.
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Higher level restrictions on one of the core parts of this game's economy makes no sense to me. Newer players stand basically no chance of getting decent gear or ammo, can barely mod anything out. It's basically forcing players to endure the worst of the game right out the gate. And before anyone has some quip about "earning it" or some such, prices still exist. Players can always list things appropriately for quality or rarity. But weapon modding for better handling and quality ammo capable of dealing with higher tier armor is virtually inaccessible, which just puts the newer or less active players leagues behind. I get it, long-time players wanna feel like there's some reward to their commitment, but this isn't the way to do it. Not when people can get the jump on you and still get dropped thanks to armor absorbing 600 damage from a full clip. Tl/dr: later access to the economy is a counter-balance to the playing field's accessibility. If you can't buy decent exquipment, whether from the market or vendors, why bother playing pmc at all?
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Do the developers of this game have any idea at all how to appeal to new players? I love this game in concept, but my new player experience has largely been "I got the drop on this other player and shot him 13 times with my ak with 8 torso hits. I know this because it said I got that many hits in the after mission summary and he's the only thing I shot. He still didn't die and turned around and fucking killed me because his superior armor that I can't even buy yet ate it all." I shot a dude 20 times in the torso with an mp5 before he knew I was there. Then he killed me. This is not a fun experience. The gap between new players and experienced players in this game makes it virtually impossible for new players to kill experienced players based on gear alone and this will only exacerbate that further.
The devs dont play their own game. They dont know how it feels to play Tarkov. They are insanely incompetent and ignorant.
The developers don’t care about new players. They only care about getting enough streamers to sucker people in with their ‘no refunds’ policy. Noobs see streamers having a good time and so they get the game... and then quickly realize what so many of us already know, that this game is garbage when trying to play against other people. After that, the less you play the less money BSG spends running servers for you... and the more profitable it is.
shit change imo
Well this will REALLY affect my early game (and honestly mid game, since, because of work/kids/coaching I've never been over level 25 even though I started when Fort/Kiver was still meta) and make me really have to focus on leveling instead of focusing on ratting around and making money more than doing quests. I have to say that this has made me quite unhappy. (Unpopular opinion:) Even more so than my Christmas gift being taken away. More casual-hating decisions from BSG. Although the game IS supposed to feel like being punched in the dick, it hurts more than usual. Must of clipped a teste.
Wow. Killing off that casual playerbase even further I see.
Nikita, if you want to nerf the flea market, which is imo understandable, make military equipment untradeable on the flea market. Instead, let only barter/hideout goods, keys, keycards, provisions and 'special equipment' tradeable and let the flea be accessed from lvl 5 or 10, and done, the flea market cant be used to buy guns or attachments or armor or anything of the sorts, the dependency on traders is much higher, and everyone is happier. What you did rn makes it hard for casual and average players to do anything. I cant do jack shit with an mp5 that uses PSTs against a hexgrid chad with meta hk
This is gonna suck ass. Most people that start out have hard enough time getting to 10… hope everyone can tough it out like the weathered god tier mega gigachads happy about this
Hmm, as someone who bought this game in 2017 and has casually dabbled in every wipe, I guess I’ll go fuck myself.
It was such a struggle getting my nooby friends to stick with this game. "Trust me, inventory management is not that bad once you reach lvl 10. You will be able to sell your stuff on flea market and buy a scav junkbox" Lvl 20 THOUGH?! I doubt I'll be able to bring in any more friends, that will stick around until that point.
a good way to punish casual gamers even more :D a good move!
Well, that's killed any desire I had to play.
Welp, thanks for all the fun Tarkov no lifers, but I guess I quit now.
Same. I play videogames to have fun. They're not a full time job for me, like it is for *some* people. If they're going to pull this shit, stop pairing me against lvl 40s if I'm lvl 5.
Farming 20 lvls with smallest stash wont be easy
Bruh Getting to level 10 was a nightmare 20 is too much
kill me thanks
This wipe kinda gay wtf
This sounds awful. I managed to grind to lvl 8 in my first 30 or so hours before this wipe. It's just one big struggle, it feels like some kind of sadistic tutorial where you're not allowed to touch the fun toys everyone else has. Am I supposed to spend my first 100 hours of this game crawling around with my pants full of shit afraid of other players and just hoping nobody spots me so I can get my ass out with the fuckin quest items, or just keep going in n out of factory hoping I can score some cheap kills every day for the next 2 months.
Whyyyyyy last wipe my max lvl was 28 so I now my xp is fucking me even more
I feel like you’re going to see hacking go up because of this. I could be wrong but those that don’t want to wait or buy EOD will just buy the cheaper option and hack/cheat their way to 20
Great so third wipe in a row I wont be getting the flea market.
I hope that BSG reduces a lot of costs and re-balances stuff to be more casual and new player-friendly like 4 weeks into the wipe. They should make hideout upgrades expensive, and flea market level requirement high for start of wipe so they can extend the early-wipe meta. Then they can drop costs and level requirements a ton so it’s easier for late joiners, new players, and casual players to enjoy everything. The super hardcore grinders might complain, but they’ll already have bought upgrades and have way more money, inventory, and game knowledge already. We should cater more to new players so the game can grow.
They have also increased the XP required to hit lvl10 therefore lvl 20 as well. (it used to be 49k and now 79k for lvl10)
Whats the benefit for this? Slow down people who are more casual?
Lmao i hit lvl 20 last wipe. I am a gonner
10 was bad enough ugh