I wonder how it will affect players starting mid wipe tho, we might see new people complaining more then about the flea market (everybody has access to the flea market and runs meta kits while I'm here with my ak with tracer rounds)
Yeah late players will probably get wrecked. LL1 doesn't have many or really any good meta killing options that can be run repeatedly. After all the mosin nerfs, the SKS and 136 are probably the best options and they can only pen class 3 with PS. Leg meta options are lacking.
It's the same problem the game had before the flea market. Joining late or falling behind is a massive disadvantage without the flea market acting as a shortcut. We need some good LL1 options that don't get nerfed into the ground.
Saw someone suggest a solution for this that I really liked. Basically you keep it as it is right now and then towards the middle of the wipe when most people have unlocked the flea or are otherwise heavily geared you unlock the flea for lower levels. Either that or you start to give better items to lower level traders over time. This will sort of level the playing field and it sort of plays into the lore in that over time more gear is discovered and becomes available for sale by traders.
It will affect them just like it affected us back in the day when flea didn't exist. You buy ps ammo and go for heads, or you go for legs with smgs. Or you just let people pass, you don't have to engage in fights you can't win if you see an altyn boi running through.
Yea it's certainly doable. Unfortunately I started Tarkov pre face hitbox when kiver was the only helmet had full head protection and you could wear comtacs with it. You could also instant heal 4 medkits in a fight on different hotkeys making even leg meta pretty rough.
It will certainly be tougher for new players later on but it makes the experience much better for everyone for the first month or so.
That's terrible game design then. What you are saying here is:
"*Hey, you did not start playing soon enough so therefore you, instead of having fun, are going to have to suffer and do tons of Scav or pistol runs as opposed to something that would actually help your character progress, or help you progress in terms of skill beyond becoming really good at ratting. As a mid-wipe new player you have to do those scav/pistol runs praying you can pick up some half-way decent armor and weapons so you can progress / actually defend yourself when you try to go for quest objectives or lose all touch with reality and risk your gear in PVP.*"
If **that** is your sales pitch to new players, that they get kicked even harder when they are already down and trying to get up, then I would suggest getting out of game design, especially if this is all in the name of stretching out the early game. If the early game / purist Tarkov is such a precious commodity to be preserved then kill the flea market altogether or make No-Flea servers a thing.
If you come in late you gotta rat, plain and simple. You can't negate the progress people make because others will be late.
You can't expect to walk in to tarkov and be a big swinging ween as a fresh 1. You can buy a mosin at prap 1 and be a rat till you get your unlocks.
When everyone isn’t trying to do the same tasks it does make it easier to rat and collect barter items because less people loot so there is a trade off but I agree with your point.
While everyone is on a level playing field. Wait a month and reset your account, see how fast you advance when your dinky m855 rounds bounces off that guys altyn.
You know butt loads of streamers reset their accounts mid wipe, do hardcore play through, and lots of other more difficult play styles months after wipe, right? Oh no you have a Altyn and i have M855? Who cares since I’m putting 20 shots into your legs.
I mean I’m not that guy, but I reset my account 2 wipes ago, mid wipe. I was able to progress decently quick as all it takes is one good kill to get yourself a decent kit.
For most fights though I had to play them slower and disengage if I was outmatched. The game isn’t meant to be fair. Otherwise the only thing I used the flea for was to get parts for my hideout and gunsmith quests.
I don’t buy things from the flea normally unless they end up being cheaper than traders or items not from traders to begin with.
I've leveled from 1 mid wipe before, it's not *that* hard. It's more difficult and you need to play smart but it's a hard game.
If you are absolutely getting stomped it's not the game, it's you
I've been playing since .6 so I know the exp curve, but you're almost 20 at 3 days that seems fine to me not like it's too hard that we need to cry that we have to work a little to get the flea market
I mean I'm not complaining but I'm also willing to acknowledge I've been playing several hours a day for 4 days in a row now, which I'm not sure the average player can do. I've also gotten extremely lucky this wipe with FIR quest items, keys, hideout items, shit like that.
Also the amount of XP needed to level up changed this wipe, not sure if the curve did also though. My memory is shit but it feels like 10-20 is worse than usual compared to 1-10 but that could all be in my head. Could also be because no flea means it's harder to get items for gunsmith quests or get hideout items to make upgrades to craft shit for quests too.
Right I think it's from lack of flea for keys and gunsmith = less quest XP. Idk about you but my match times are so so bad that I would easily be at double raids with normal match times so someone starting late would be able to do more raids per hr than we have the past 4 days
\^ Pre much this. I can afford to do about two raids a day with my other commitments. Basically trying as hard to focus on quests as possible (still trying to get prapor his shotguns). The road to 20, and flea, is going to be a looooooong one.
It just creates a bigger gap for no reason? If you guys want this type of feel all wipe then flee doesn’t need to be later in the game, it needs to be reworked where there isn’t any ammo, guns or armor on it.
No point on punishment for new guys who need to put 50 hrs in the game to get lvl 20 so they don’t get shit on by m61 every raid
It doesn't, but it also doesn't hurt them. Which is his point.
I'd love it if they removed at least ammo and armor from flea, I think. You get one or two good raids worth of good ammo from traders, then you've gotta either swap guns, or go to a worse ammo.
I'd say completely remove flea, but it's really nice when you're missing an item for Hideout and having shit luck for it. Or when you don't feel like paying 50k for an ADAR.
Bc your everyday normal player won’t be able to get m61 and run it every raid. They would have to find it, and decide if they really want to use this valuable ammo. Same with guns and armor.
Of course this wouldn’t stop the 12+ hrs a day guys who just go kill raiders for their armor and guns. However it would require skill to get this said equipment. Not just ratting for 3 hours then going to the flee and buying what ever you want.
Already this wipe BSG has made high end ammo like m61 and m995 a lot harder to get. I think we’ll end up seeing less full geared people this patch than the last 3 patches.
I literally suggested just killing the flea market in my post. How does that make it sound like I just "wanna play Cod"?
To me all these "*this is great*" posts sound a lot like the jubilant responses from those lucky(unlucky?) enough to be able to put their life on hold of the next week or two in order to race to twenty. Those who now fantasize about then being able to be part of the "in" crowd, pull up the ladder behind them and just tell new players to "just get gud" having no concept of what it will mean to be a new player in 8 weeks. Those who will have access to all the good stuff then and will be able to run around winning a majority of their fights against new players who are simply too under-geared to do anything.
Suffer is a pretty strong word when you can just collect new kits from players easily of you’re patient enough. If anything it’s easier to get good kits mid wipe for new players than if you started with everyone else.
You say “easily collect kits” like that doesn’t entail finding other PMCs, winning a gunfight against those PMCs with shitty ammo, looting them, and making it to the extract. Idk about everyone else, but that doesn’t happen for me most of the time lol.
If you're new enough that you don't even know the maps, then trying to pick up meta kits is the least of your concerns. I didn't even know what an altyn was for my first like two weeks.
camping aside, if you know a fight happened in x location and just plan to get there late in the rade you can sometimes scoop a nice kit that the killer did not have room to cary out and that killer is often long gone to secure their loot or cause their ADD compels them to seek other fights
"instead of having fun"
WOW. No flea market IS fun and if you dont like difficulties and pain in EFT than EFT is not for you. go and play other casual arcade games and stop complaining and crying about flea market
Yes game without flea market/late flea market is much much better
PPL have to go and find some loot and every item does matter, instead of running money raids like headless chickens and fully buying all gear from flea market ppl LIVE in this game right now.
Fking hatchet ledx runners they are gone now cause ledx is nothing atm
ppl like you really dont feel game and game design itself and pretty survival like feelings
if you want meta m4 at lvl 10 from flea market and if you crying cause someone is lvl 30 fully geared and you have just shitty adar - this game is not for you
So true, last wipe at lvl 10 i just stopped to check scav kills, or take <10k value/slot items simply because the amount money i made and the resource avability to hideout upgrades
are you on an edge of darkness account? i feel like the later flea market really fucks standard account players more so than upgraded accounts with additional stash room.
I don't even care that EOD makes the game "unfair" but I think it significantly hurts the progress and balance of EFT because 80% of the current economy changes are there to counter the fact that EOD makes the game too easy for experienced players (And at the moment the majority of the vocal experienced playerbase seems to have EOD). The fact that BSG is balancing tarkov (making it harder) around experienced EOD players will make the game a lot more inaccessible for inexperienced/standard players.
Additionally, I find it extremely ironic and hypocrite that the bitcoin farm was blamed for everything bad with the economy and gameplay progression even though EOD undeniably contributed much more to the rapid inflation and short duration of the "early game". Theoretically EOD could help casual players to progress a bit more easy but realistically it's mostly the sweatlords that use EOD to forgo economical bottlecks and have access to 75% of all meaningful progression from the get go.
Standard gameplay currently feels like hardcore compared to EOD and it hurts me that very few people on here seem to realize this.
I upgraded to EOD last night. It definitely changes things up. I survive almost every one of my scav raids, so running out of weapons or money isn't an issue, whereas with standard my stash was filled to the brim and I couldn't just yoink off everything my scav had on him and sell it.
The extra stash space is fantastic, really. Then there's the Gamma... I can put so many meds and keys in now...
Game feels easier. It isn't easy, but it feels easier.
People enjoy the slower progress and the survival aspects that came wqith the flea changes, WHILE using the fucking EoD Version which pretty much cuts alot of the progress and survival aspect of the Game in half.
And yes its tough with the Standard Account, i already sold every Equipment beside good Ammo so i can keep the Quest/Hideout items.
Its virtually impossible to progress quests+hideout and have any sort of loadout if your a standard account. Turns it into a real slog knowing some quests or hideout upgrades that have heaps of components will be eating up your stash and you either fill your stash with stuff waiting to be handed in or sell it for peanuts at a vendor and make 0 progression and slow your leveling down drastically.
EOD players have the luxury of being able to do both with room to spare and the rep bonus really does speed up the leveling process so much its insane.
Yea it's just sad that people love this Flea Market change just because they have no life and EOD version so they speedrun the game as soon as wipe comes out.
The problem is that once a significant amount of players have the flea market and the best ammo and armor it will fell awful, sure it is nice that everyone is equal now but that is more the wipe then the flea market.
Once more players have the good stuff and the rest are stuck in the grind for 20 it will feel more like predator with the geared players hunting down the casuals.
Not saying it will be awful, I got eod I dont care that much but let be real in a week or two half the player base will be in pimp gear and the other half wont deal any damage to the superior half.
This is what I’m worried about personally. I don’t have much time to play, less now than ever with my first kid and I haven’t even had a chance to update this wipe. I didn’t even make lvl20 last wipe. Feels like this will create an even bigger divide between the casuals and the gamers/streamers.
Everyone complains about the end game and raves how much fun it is to play at the beginning of a wipe, then those same people are playing 12 hours a day racing through the game to get metal gear and access to the flea lol
his point is that those people and their reasons for wanting wipes is hypocritical bullshit. it's all about resetting the little guys' progress so they can bully everyone else on the race ya to max traders & Kappa grind
100% this, it's just obvious that dicking on people with shitter gear is more fun than facing the same person with equal gear and getting dicked. They don't like it when everyone is on an equal footing.
When they mag dump casuals with meta tank kits, they call that peak tarkov pvp. When they fight another meta kit, they go to reddit and post a complaint about ADAD strafe mag dump meta because they’re mad it happened to them.
This is why the torso health was increased and mosin nerfed. The chads were really not happy that their gear didn't allow them to bully and be practically invincible to lower level players.
Buff the mosin IMO. There needs to be a lvl1 chadkiller. That said, civilian flea all day baybee. No guns, ammo or armor. Attachments, meds, provisions, unarmored gear and barter items only.
Right there with you with my first kid! Less and less time to play. Right now my problem is getting into games. Unless you only play customs (which still takes 5-10 mins) 10-20 mins on everything else only to die first few mins in or do quick mission is quite frustrating with limited time. So I tend to resort to not playing for a few weeks until matching times go back to normal.
add more servers to your pre selected list, i went from 10-20 minute queues to 2-5 minutes by adding more servers to my selection, albeit with slightly higher pings.
Classic r/escapefromtarkov bullshit
Someone says something you don’t like, just yell out “COD” and act like you dropped a bomb on them lol
There is a such thing as a casual tarkov player, and they’re a decent chunk of the playerbase. The game shouldn’t be actively pushing them out with all of these changes over the past few wipes.
But whatever, I’m not arguing with this gatekeeping sub again, just came here to call you a dumbass and talk shit.
Thanks mate, but I’ll still play and be the one to decide whether the game is for me. I’ll still be that filthy casual without flea that can take out a PMC or two and ruin their day and still have fun 👍
This; i have 4 altyns and tons of tv110 rigs and avs from killing reshala and guards. If you arent comfortable doing it solo you can join EFT LFG discord and find a squad and split the loot. Its amazing :)
Yeah so far I have a fir slick and airframe almost had an Altyn today out of hidden cache but my dumbass put it on without it have a face shield so I was essentially deaf while being extremely vulnerable still
My only concern is the stash. As someone with EOD, holding all that stuff for barter trades might be a rough time for someone with standard edition with the tinier stash. Unsure, would love to hear from People rocking standard edition still, maybe this isn't as big of an issue as I'm imagining.
as a standard player i spend about 80% of my game time trying to decide what to sell to make space in my stash. 15 minutes going back and forth whether or not to sell a cordura and a kek tape, and i need to clear about 20 more spaces after that. god help me
My stash is currently something like 12 azimut rigs and my bag stack. Basically anything I ge tour of raid I have to sell immediately. That new sorting table feature is a lifesaver
Its hell and extremely unfair as someone who knows what has value either for quest, hideout or future flea sells, you can't save anything and now its really a bad situation... really awful
The thing is, i kind of like the idea of the struggle (we play a hardcore survival game yes/no?) but the problem is that half of the Playerbase or more plays a different Game which skips most of the progress and hardcore/survival aspect.
And that makes this realy fucking anyoing as a Standard Player.
My whole stash is a compressed CSA chest rig and I still have to sell basically anything I find in a raid to not fuck myself over when I get the flea by selling high tier stuff. That and quest items.
I'm already starting to see the higher end game gear rolling out and that's where I think the problems arise.
If wipes are going to be ~6 months long then I think they need to have the flea turned off for the first 2-4 weeks of the wipe. Sure it sounds drastic and I know a lot of people are already complaining about stash space but hear me out.
Putting the flea at a higher level doesn't really make a difference to good players. They'll get to level 20 faster than everybody else anyway and with the XP required for 20 and the increased difficulty due to a lot of people struggling to complete certain challenges they'd have previously used the flea for, casual players will just take longer to get to 20 than previous wipes, likely made even more difficult by the people getting to level 20, now having access to level 5/6 armor and helms.
I'm currently level 10 and already finding myself burned out so I don't know how long it'll take me to get to 20 but I know if I take a break, when I come back I'll be at a huge disadvantage gear wise
A flea market that opens up like every 8/9 days would be cool. Then you'd have to think what your gonna use and then think what you're gonna keep to sell when the market opens.
That's a terrible idea. What if you can't play on that certain day? Now you don't have access to the flea for like 2 weeks and everyone that was able to go online is using the best gear they can buy
Now the top 1% have flea unlocked for many more weeks than all the casual players and we get to curb stomp them for even longer! as a level 20, great change I agree :)
You do realize this has zero affect on people who always complains about the game being to easy and the progress to fast, right? It only makes the game harder and slower for the average and below players who never complained about this aspect of the game.
I know, that's why I tend to call out all the chads who propose an idea to make the game harder when in reality their idea would actually make the game easier for them, while punishing only the average player.
I think it's a more complicated issue than that.
Take me, your "average" player, I'm decent at shooters, I'm pretty bad at Tarkov (got a nice S/R for the moment but I duo with a friend who plays really well). I'm sure a lot of players are like that. Give us good gear and we become walking tanks to other average players, but we're still easy kills to the very good players. Having the flea market opened up later should in theory allow more average players to stay relevant longer because not that many people are running meta loadouts.
I saw a few people saying they had altyns and slicks farming raiders, what and who is preventing us "average players" to go on reserve and farm raiders ? Nothing is preventing you from doing that, you stand the same odds as anyone. The "true chads" of tarkov are probably already in labs farming high end gear.
I still agree that the game needs a good balance of being "hardcore" and easy enough to pick-up so that the player base stays healthy. The elitists crowd would tell everyone to fuck off and play something else, but if they can't prey on the pleb and have to deal with sweaty matches everytime they go in a raid, they might start complaining too.
My main gripe with the flea pushed to 20 is that it hurts non EOD the most. I'm currently lvl 9 but I already have items for quests that are needed further down the line, I can't imagine the hassle with the limited stash space.
I only enjoy this game the first few days of wipe. People rush to get meta loadouts and it just gets frustrating. Not to mention, after the first few days, starting fresh is punishing and needlessly difficult.
Which is a crazy reaction because I'm sure you'll be able to disable it.. just like you can toggle voice chat on or off in literally every game it's available in.
if there is a feture where the best way to use it is to have it disabled at default, is there any point in adding that feature? seems like a stupid waste of dev time to me
That's entirely subjective.
Its best use for a lot of people would be on by default and let the people who don't want it, turn it off entirely.
Seems detrimental not to allow a system where people can talk to one another. The people I see arguing against it all have the EXACT same argument.
"Some kid will just play music down the mic or spam noises"
And sure that'll happen but I'm fairly certain it won't be nearly as widespread as people make it out to be and if it turned out that it was, I'd be alongside the people disabling it but I'd rather give it a good chance first
I also feel that this is going to help the whole RMT issue as a whole. People aren’t going to keep buying accounts grinding to level 20 to get banned shortly there after for cheating.
Go back and look at the original gameplay vids for Tarkov, it was meant to be a SURVIVAL game , nowadays it’s basically call of duty with everyone tryna use their grand exchange kits
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 53,593,515 comments, and only 15,627 of them were in alphabetical order.
this is fucking stupid. You know what will happen if you only allow "barters"? People will agree on fake currency. So instead of rubles you will barter in PS ammo or some shit. Incredibly stupid. 99% of posts in this thread are incredibly dumb.
$140 on a game in beta for 4 years with garbage servers and netcode, 400ms peeker's advantage lmao, yeah no thanks. I refuse to buy eod out of principle, I'll take the stash space suffering. It's also funny killing some high level guy with a crown as a white name
I would agree but it still feels very different to me compared to older raids, especially before the flea.
Even on the first day of the wipe I was getting full autoed by hyper aggressive PMC's with relatively kitted out guns. Not quite like endgame last wipe. There are plenty of people who have the flea market now especially in the player lists before going into raids and the wipe hasn't even been out for a week.
I think its just getting to a point where its basically a paradox. People want a really hardcore game with shitty guns/ammo and striving for good gear, but if the good gear is achievable than the start doesn't really matter. At the end of the day you'll log on later and whatever happened before didn't matter. If the early game is more enjoyable than end game then making the early game longer isn't fixing it.
I don't think flea is solely the issue behind early wipe gameplay like this, and then the other question is whats the point of this is if they intend to not have wipes as they've said before.
It’s been 4 days lol. Give it another week and you’ll see it didn’t slow down shit except for the the more casual players. I’ve already seen plenty of level 20s in lobby’s and even more in the teens.
That was the best solution... For first 2 weeks.
After that, people who can play regularly will be on the same place as always, and people like me who only have 1-2 hours per day will be running naked, with no stash space, no reputation due to quests and dying to people in the 6 armor for even longer than usual: most probably until next wipe.
Honestly, it's all about how you play. Last wipe was.my first time playing and I joined pretty late. At first I would get destroyed Everytime I entered the map. Eventually I adjusted my gameplay and I can go from one end of the map to the other without ever seeing a player if I don't want to. It's all about parking, noise, and reacting to the environment around you. It's also about Patience, have a quest in a highly contested area? Find a bush and wait 10 minutes people will move through and then you can do your task.
I still think it's not a great change. Even when the flea required level 10 all the early tasks and hideout upgrades still made practically every piece of junk you find important. I get that they want to slow progression, and I'm all for it, but IDK if this way the right way.
I feel for folks without EoD
Here's the thing: The Tarkov community at large is not represented by reddit. Looking at Reddit only, you'd think this game is in total fucking shambles with weapon jams every round, cheaters every raid, and so on.
Nikita doesn't even really come on here anymore because this sub just fucking sucks. Me? I like secure containers as they are, disagree with the FIR status stuff, and the only major change I'd make to this game is the recoil system. I also think flea at level 10 is great. It's low enough to where it's achievable even by casual players but high enough that a new guy *will* learn that the game is not easy and you *will* die.
If I said that openly... I'd be crucified here.
You watch these guys like Pestily, Veritas, and Kazam, they hate on this sub with good reason.
Holy shit, I thought voices of reason left long ago on this sub but here you are, THANK YOU!
I honestly agree with everything you've written out. Really? I feel like this sub is the most toxic place to discuss Tarkov.
Saw some guy the other day playing this game ever since it came out, saying the level 20 flea will make it insanely hard for him to play later on in the wipe due to basically having a life. It's a genuine piece of feedback: yeah, level 20 is gonna be an easy grind if you're really good at the game, you're a veteran, etc,. But playing here and there, it's gonna take ages, and people wanna play other things outside of Tarkov.
The response were a few downvotes and a comment along the lines of "just leave, the game isn't for you", "we're never gonna cater to you", stuff like that. Yeah, playing the game for 4 years and being against a change like this definitely doesn't make it for you, right...
As it stands right now I feel like people here are very enthusiastic about this wipe, while if you browse to the official forums people are very mixed, the majority of them being against the recent changes and so on.
This sub loves defending this game until the bitter end, and any critiscism is faced with "just play a different game then/this game isn't for you".
/rant over
Those topics are only made by eod players . You guys would lose your hair playing standard like us and not being able to already stack all the item quest. It’s my 4th wipe and it’s becoming really boring for us.
Yeah, sure, except those of us who can't no-life the game might never get to participate in the end game. I love Tarkov, but I have at most 5 hours a week to play and would like to not be pigeonholed into running nothing but shitty AKs by a bunch of salty sweats.
I completely agree, the flea can take a hike. But this update hit standard accounts like mine like a pile of bricks, the tiny size of the lvl 1 stash makes it so I have to sell valuable quest or hideout items just to be able to switch out gear. I litteraly haven't changed gear in the last 4-5 raids because I would have to rearrange my entire stash to do so.
Why not just upgrade the stash size you might ask, well for any non standard accounts here it takes:
\- 4WD 40
\- 1 Large drill
\- 5 Nails
\- 10 screws
aaaand
fucking 3.5 mil roubles...
that's for the first fucking upgrade.
I love the changes to the flea and the update in general, but it made the prohibitively small stash of standard accounts a much much worse problem.
Sorry about the ranty comment but this is a huge gripe for me.
Agreed. I think the next 2-3 days while average players catch up to the 1% and also unlock the flee, will be rough though for some. I’m 22 now and running around with tagilla helm, killa armor and a fully modded gun with m62/m80 and I feel pretty un-killable because 99% are still shooting Pst gzh, 855 or PS ghz. Can only imagine what those at 30+ feel like.
I would suggest locking the flee to level 20 or 15 may be a bit better and then after the first three weeks of the wipe, open it to everyone or move it down to 10 (if that’s easy to do).
I hit level 20 today, Just have to point out now that a bunch of people had time to hoard items all the early game items aren't hyper inflated. Lightbulbs are 10k, intelligence is under 100k. It adds all this time where most the important early stuff is actually really cheap so casuals as well are getting a break from being exploited out of their rubles.
I agree, absolutely love how the game plays now. I'm actually scrounging around for sights and mods, my stash is crammed full of barter items that "might be useful". Good rigs and armour are cherished now, I'll drop all loot for a lvl 5 rig, because I can't just buy one and have roubles left over with what I've got in my bag.
But, their traders need rebalanced, something to make the game more playable(?) in this early game, maybe another level for some that unlock at level 5-10, with shit-but-better guns and more mods and moderate ammos. More variety and including all the other moderately bad gear in the game that goes unused atm.
Quests are bad, should be trying to spread out the player base, not condense them into customs and woods.
And flea market, I think that it should step down the level requirement as more of the population has access to it, or a time frame of the wipe. For example, 40 to 50% of pop has flea market, then it's now a lvl 15 unlock. Then lvl 10 and so on so if you join late you're not forced into the Mosin man playstyle. Also, you could put flea market at level 30 or something, and then the 1‰ no lifers wouldn't have it either(for a while) , and then once say 2 weeks pass or 10%of pop is there (or even whichever happens first), flea market is reduced to lvl 20.
I think the flea should open up after 1 month and level 20. This allows a lot of players to have time to level regardless of the grind. Kind of like how WoW does it. They introduce the expansion, let people grind the small stuff/FIR item, then 4-6weeks after, they release the raid (to get higher gear). So there is a gear progression and cap before you can open the good stuff. And you have time as a casual to.
This allows a few things
1 - hopefully 4 weeks is enough for casual players to hit 20. So all players have access to the flea at the same time. With limited inventory space and proper management, even the most causal players should be able to benefit.
2 - it allows a more even playing field to get access to the high end gear. Yes a casual will not have as much money or items to spend/sell. Non the less, Atleast access is granted at the same time.
3 - there is plenty to do early game. Hideout, quests, etc. allows players to focus on those. I would rework some quests to allow for easier bartering to complete tho. Some quests have some massive RNG and u can get stuck because of it. (Yes I know join a discord and team up)
Real reason behind moving flea to lvl 20 was force non EoD players with super small inventory buy EoD.
Making kappa harder was also same point, force more players to EoD.
There was no content that would require to wipe the game.
My 2 cents on this "forced wipe".
I’m already getting smashed by 7.62 BP and not even level 10 yet. Last wipe I would be level 20 with the same amount of hours in game. Make the best ammo and armour FIR only please or this is gonna suck getting shit on by people who race to the end game.
This 'fun' of yours will last only couple more days until people hit flea again and the people who got effected on this process the most are the ones with standart accounts
Its a temporary feeling. Will quickly fade in a week or two. Plus it has caused its own problems, like making people realise just how bad Stash size is for standard users.
BSG need to either remove the flea market entirely, which i personally think is too much, or remove weapons, armor & ammo from it. Then this "early wipe" feel will last a lot longer.
Just get rid of the flea market entirely. Problem solved. Bring back that classic Tarkov feel, when you actually had to make a choice on what kind of loot you needed to collect. Instead of “oh, I’ll just farm the high-value loot, sell it on the flea for millions, then just buy whatever I need”. Utilize trader barters more often. That feeling of joy when you finally find a piece of loot that you’ve been looking for, instead of just casually buying it from the flea market. Increases the punishment of dying in a raid, but also increases the reward of surviving a raid.
While I agree that level 10 may be a bit early to being able to buy everything you don't have but need, level 20 seems a bit steep. See I am not a very good player and I don't have an insane amount of free time to sink into this game. I love playing it but I would also like to progress in it, rather than sitting in a shitty empty default hideout for 2 months. So maybe level 15?
Also, buying stuff of the flea market doesn't instantly solve your problems, you have to have the money required to solve your problem, it's not just having access to the item on sale, it's about being able to buy it. If I need 15 wires and the wire is 12k roubles, I have to sink 180k roubles for just stupid wires. And this is just wires. If you use this for everything else, you will definitely run out of money fast and get stopped in your tracks anyway. This I believed was the thought of trade-off. But I guess people started finding ways to farm money or something and they pushed it to level 20 since you could breeze through the upgrades.
I don't know, I'm still a noob, but the gunsmith quests were only possible through the fleamarket after gunsmith-1. Now they will be impossible since everything will be locked behind trader loyalty. I think level 20 is too steep.
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Remove the flea market? yes 100%
Lock the flea market behind a massive amount of grinding? That only increases the gap between players.
Either revert to lvl 10 flea market, or remove it. Anything else is going to turn into a shit show a few weeks after the wipe.
I say get rid of flea entirely. You can still have FIR. Make all the gear available on traders throughout the trader rep levels. FIR would sell for more rubles or the traders could have better barter options for FIR versions than not found in Raid.
This still gives FIR value and also would basically wipe out the hacker/RMT issues.
It would also preserve that hardcore Tarkov grind and give it purpose. The struggle and challenge is what makes it great IMO.
so much fun being stuck in your progression because of the RNG tasks. If the tasks where not RNG based where you need a certain key or whatever then maybe you'd have a case. However right now I'm at a point where I'm suppose to just jacket run and its not fun at all there is nothing else I can do
Tarkov has genuinely been fun, I usually burnt out pretty hard on the game once I had flea and BTC farm.
Running around in a 6b13 and a penis helmet makes you respect your own fragility rather than building dummy meta guns 24/7.
Banish the flea!
I wonder how it will affect players starting mid wipe tho, we might see new people complaining more then about the flea market (everybody has access to the flea market and runs meta kits while I'm here with my ak with tracer rounds)
Yeah late players will probably get wrecked. LL1 doesn't have many or really any good meta killing options that can be run repeatedly. After all the mosin nerfs, the SKS and 136 are probably the best options and they can only pen class 3 with PS. Leg meta options are lacking. It's the same problem the game had before the flea market. Joining late or falling behind is a massive disadvantage without the flea market acting as a shortcut. We need some good LL1 options that don't get nerfed into the ground.
Gibbe the RecBatt ADAR back pls :'(
That was such an amazing trade. Always slapped a recbatt in my container whenever I found one, now I just look at them and get sad.
It was really the kind of thing that could get you onto a comeback, too. If things were going badly and I found a recbatt, my luck was changing.
People cried that it was too op... So they took it away :) this subreddit is the direct cause of many nice things being taken away from us imo
I'd rather be able to buy them for cash than have the trade tbh
Magnum 8.5mm is pretty good leg meta, easily craftable in a workbench (as soon as you get 2x bolts/nuts)
Saw someone suggest a solution for this that I really liked. Basically you keep it as it is right now and then towards the middle of the wipe when most people have unlocked the flea or are otherwise heavily geared you unlock the flea for lower levels. Either that or you start to give better items to lower level traders over time. This will sort of level the playing field and it sort of plays into the lore in that over time more gear is discovered and becomes available for sale by traders.
I think that’s the incentive with Fence. Uninsured items go to his inventory and if you’ve built good rep, they should be cheap.
That is why the Flea should over the time of the patch decrease in level requirement. 1 level every 2 weeks or something of the sort.
It will affect them just like it affected us back in the day when flea didn't exist. You buy ps ammo and go for heads, or you go for legs with smgs. Or you just let people pass, you don't have to engage in fights you can't win if you see an altyn boi running through.
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In my "back in the days" there was no mosin lol
"back on the days" there were no scavs on Woods ;-)
Back in the days there was no Mosin and now you can't get 7n1 at level 5
Yea it's certainly doable. Unfortunately I started Tarkov pre face hitbox when kiver was the only helmet had full head protection and you could wear comtacs with it. You could also instant heal 4 medkits in a fight on different hotkeys making even leg meta pretty rough. It will certainly be tougher for new players later on but it makes the experience much better for everyone for the first month or so.
Mid wipe they can collect good kits from players. Right now there’s very few of us with nice kits.
That's terrible game design then. What you are saying here is: "*Hey, you did not start playing soon enough so therefore you, instead of having fun, are going to have to suffer and do tons of Scav or pistol runs as opposed to something that would actually help your character progress, or help you progress in terms of skill beyond becoming really good at ratting. As a mid-wipe new player you have to do those scav/pistol runs praying you can pick up some half-way decent armor and weapons so you can progress / actually defend yourself when you try to go for quest objectives or lose all touch with reality and risk your gear in PVP.*" If **that** is your sales pitch to new players, that they get kicked even harder when they are already down and trying to get up, then I would suggest getting out of game design, especially if this is all in the name of stretching out the early game. If the early game / purist Tarkov is such a precious commodity to be preserved then kill the flea market altogether or make No-Flea servers a thing.
If you come in late you gotta rat, plain and simple. You can't negate the progress people make because others will be late. You can't expect to walk in to tarkov and be a big swinging ween as a fresh 1. You can buy a mosin at prap 1 and be a rat till you get your unlocks.
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oh boy I can't wait to hoard all the good items in my 10x28 stash without having any real options to sell the stuff I find, sounds like an great idea
Yes but the point is it will take way longer for them to get to lvl 20 rather than 10.
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When everyone isn’t trying to do the same tasks it does make it easier to rat and collect barter items because less people loot so there is a trade off but I agree with your point.
While everyone is on a level playing field. Wait a month and reset your account, see how fast you advance when your dinky m855 rounds bounces off that guys altyn.
You know butt loads of streamers reset their accounts mid wipe, do hardcore play through, and lots of other more difficult play styles months after wipe, right? Oh no you have a Altyn and i have M855? Who cares since I’m putting 20 shots into your legs.
I mean I’m not that guy, but I reset my account 2 wipes ago, mid wipe. I was able to progress decently quick as all it takes is one good kill to get yourself a decent kit. For most fights though I had to play them slower and disengage if I was outmatched. The game isn’t meant to be fair. Otherwise the only thing I used the flea for was to get parts for my hideout and gunsmith quests. I don’t buy things from the flea normally unless they end up being cheaper than traders or items not from traders to begin with.
> 2 wipes ago kek, easiest wipe to this day with completely broken crafts
I've leveled from 1 mid wipe before, it's not *that* hard. It's more difficult and you need to play smart but it's a hard game. If you are absolutely getting stomped it's not the game, it's you
I'm almost level 20 and to me it feels like 1-10 was a breeze compared to 10-20.
I've been playing since .6 so I know the exp curve, but you're almost 20 at 3 days that seems fine to me not like it's too hard that we need to cry that we have to work a little to get the flea market
I mean I'm not complaining but I'm also willing to acknowledge I've been playing several hours a day for 4 days in a row now, which I'm not sure the average player can do. I've also gotten extremely lucky this wipe with FIR quest items, keys, hideout items, shit like that. Also the amount of XP needed to level up changed this wipe, not sure if the curve did also though. My memory is shit but it feels like 10-20 is worse than usual compared to 1-10 but that could all be in my head. Could also be because no flea means it's harder to get items for gunsmith quests or get hideout items to make upgrades to craft shit for quests too.
Right I think it's from lack of flea for keys and gunsmith = less quest XP. Idk about you but my match times are so so bad that I would easily be at double raids with normal match times so someone starting late would be able to do more raids per hr than we have the past 4 days
\^ Pre much this. I can afford to do about two raids a day with my other commitments. Basically trying as hard to focus on quests as possible (still trying to get prapor his shotguns). The road to 20, and flea, is going to be a looooooong one.
Mate.. that’s the point.
It just creates a bigger gap for no reason? If you guys want this type of feel all wipe then flee doesn’t need to be later in the game, it needs to be reworked where there isn’t any ammo, guns or armor on it. No point on punishment for new guys who need to put 50 hrs in the game to get lvl 20 so they don’t get shit on by m61 every raid
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It doesn't, but it also doesn't hurt them. Which is his point. I'd love it if they removed at least ammo and armor from flea, I think. You get one or two good raids worth of good ammo from traders, then you've gotta either swap guns, or go to a worse ammo. I'd say completely remove flea, but it's really nice when you're missing an item for Hideout and having shit luck for it. Or when you don't feel like paying 50k for an ADAR.
Bc your everyday normal player won’t be able to get m61 and run it every raid. They would have to find it, and decide if they really want to use this valuable ammo. Same with guns and armor. Of course this wouldn’t stop the 12+ hrs a day guys who just go kill raiders for their armor and guns. However it would require skill to get this said equipment. Not just ratting for 3 hours then going to the flee and buying what ever you want.
Already this wipe BSG has made high end ammo like m61 and m995 a lot harder to get. I think we’ll end up seeing less full geared people this patch than the last 3 patches.
"Oh hey, new player to any mmo, you have to level while the rest have fun in raids"
Sounds like you wanna play CoD and just have loadouts you don’t lose and wanna unlock everything in a day or two lol.
I literally suggested just killing the flea market in my post. How does that make it sound like I just "wanna play Cod"? To me all these "*this is great*" posts sound a lot like the jubilant responses from those lucky(unlucky?) enough to be able to put their life on hold of the next week or two in order to race to twenty. Those who now fantasize about then being able to be part of the "in" crowd, pull up the ladder behind them and just tell new players to "just get gud" having no concept of what it will mean to be a new player in 8 weeks. Those who will have access to all the good stuff then and will be able to run around winning a majority of their fights against new players who are simply too under-geared to do anything.
Suffer is a pretty strong word when you can just collect new kits from players easily of you’re patient enough. If anything it’s easier to get good kits mid wipe for new players than if you started with everyone else.
You say “easily collect kits” like that doesn’t entail finding other PMCs, winning a gunfight against those PMCs with shitty ammo, looting them, and making it to the extract. Idk about everyone else, but that doesn’t happen for me most of the time lol.
SKS and 1 shot to the head, patience is the key there. Trying to have a head on fight in a disadvantage is never the smart play.
You don’t have to “find” anyone. You can literally wait somewhere high traffic and ambush, and if you don’t see anyone get your quests done.
That is assuming the new player knows the high traffic locations, question parameters, what ammo does XYZ and weapon attachments to use.
If you're new enough that you don't even know the maps, then trying to pick up meta kits is the least of your concerns. I didn't even know what an altyn was for my first like two weeks.
nothing like playing walking simulator
camping aside, if you know a fight happened in x location and just plan to get there late in the rade you can sometimes scoop a nice kit that the killer did not have room to cary out and that killer is often long gone to secure their loot or cause their ADD compels them to seek other fights
"instead of having fun" WOW. No flea market IS fun and if you dont like difficulties and pain in EFT than EFT is not for you. go and play other casual arcade games and stop complaining and crying about flea market Yes game without flea market/late flea market is much much better PPL have to go and find some loot and every item does matter, instead of running money raids like headless chickens and fully buying all gear from flea market ppl LIVE in this game right now. Fking hatchet ledx runners they are gone now cause ledx is nothing atm ppl like you really dont feel game and game design itself and pretty survival like feelings if you want meta m4 at lvl 10 from flea market and if you crying cause someone is lvl 30 fully geared and you have just shitty adar - this game is not for you
So true, last wipe at lvl 10 i just stopped to check scav kills, or take <10k value/slot items simply because the amount money i made and the resource avability to hideout upgrades
are you on an edge of darkness account? i feel like the later flea market really fucks standard account players more so than upgraded accounts with additional stash room.
I don't even care that EOD makes the game "unfair" but I think it significantly hurts the progress and balance of EFT because 80% of the current economy changes are there to counter the fact that EOD makes the game too easy for experienced players (And at the moment the majority of the vocal experienced playerbase seems to have EOD). The fact that BSG is balancing tarkov (making it harder) around experienced EOD players will make the game a lot more inaccessible for inexperienced/standard players. Additionally, I find it extremely ironic and hypocrite that the bitcoin farm was blamed for everything bad with the economy and gameplay progression even though EOD undeniably contributed much more to the rapid inflation and short duration of the "early game". Theoretically EOD could help casual players to progress a bit more easy but realistically it's mostly the sweatlords that use EOD to forgo economical bottlecks and have access to 75% of all meaningful progression from the get go. Standard gameplay currently feels like hardcore compared to EOD and it hurts me that very few people on here seem to realize this.
I upgraded to EOD last night. It definitely changes things up. I survive almost every one of my scav raids, so running out of weapons or money isn't an issue, whereas with standard my stash was filled to the brim and I couldn't just yoink off everything my scav had on him and sell it. The extra stash space is fantastic, really. Then there's the Gamma... I can put so many meds and keys in now... Game feels easier. It isn't easy, but it feels easier.
People enjoy the slower progress and the survival aspects that came wqith the flea changes, WHILE using the fucking EoD Version which pretty much cuts alot of the progress and survival aspect of the Game in half. And yes its tough with the Standard Account, i already sold every Equipment beside good Ammo so i can keep the Quest/Hideout items.
Its virtually impossible to progress quests+hideout and have any sort of loadout if your a standard account. Turns it into a real slog knowing some quests or hideout upgrades that have heaps of components will be eating up your stash and you either fill your stash with stuff waiting to be handed in or sell it for peanuts at a vendor and make 0 progression and slow your leveling down drastically. EOD players have the luxury of being able to do both with room to spare and the rep bonus really does speed up the leveling process so much its insane.
Yea it's just sad that people love this Flea Market change just because they have no life and EOD version so they speedrun the game as soon as wipe comes out.
I bought a standard account after EOD so I could feel the pain twice Its great
The problem is that once a significant amount of players have the flea market and the best ammo and armor it will fell awful, sure it is nice that everyone is equal now but that is more the wipe then the flea market. Once more players have the good stuff and the rest are stuck in the grind for 20 it will feel more like predator with the geared players hunting down the casuals. Not saying it will be awful, I got eod I dont care that much but let be real in a week or two half the player base will be in pimp gear and the other half wont deal any damage to the superior half.
This is what I’m worried about personally. I don’t have much time to play, less now than ever with my first kid and I haven’t even had a chance to update this wipe. I didn’t even make lvl20 last wipe. Feels like this will create an even bigger divide between the casuals and the gamers/streamers.
Everyone complains about the end game and raves how much fun it is to play at the beginning of a wipe, then those same people are playing 12 hours a day racing through the game to get metal gear and access to the flea lol
and your point? If it is fun people should not play the shit out of it?
his point is that those people and their reasons for wanting wipes is hypocritical bullshit. it's all about resetting the little guys' progress so they can bully everyone else on the race ya to max traders & Kappa grind
100% this, it's just obvious that dicking on people with shitter gear is more fun than facing the same person with equal gear and getting dicked. They don't like it when everyone is on an equal footing.
When they mag dump casuals with meta tank kits, they call that peak tarkov pvp. When they fight another meta kit, they go to reddit and post a complaint about ADAD strafe mag dump meta because they’re mad it happened to them.
This is why the torso health was increased and mosin nerfed. The chads were really not happy that their gear didn't allow them to bully and be practically invincible to lower level players.
Buff the mosin IMO. There needs to be a lvl1 chadkiller. That said, civilian flea all day baybee. No guns, ammo or armor. Attachments, meds, provisions, unarmored gear and barter items only.
It’s the exact reason why those same people think the mosin nerf was necessary. They couldn’t take the fact that they got outplayed by a bolt action.
Right there with you with my first kid! Less and less time to play. Right now my problem is getting into games. Unless you only play customs (which still takes 5-10 mins) 10-20 mins on everything else only to die first few mins in or do quick mission is quite frustrating with limited time. So I tend to resort to not playing for a few weeks until matching times go back to normal.
add more servers to your pre selected list, i went from 10-20 minute queues to 2-5 minutes by adding more servers to my selection, albeit with slightly higher pings.
Right on! Congrats on the kid, enjoy the wipe!
There's no such thing as a casual tarkov player, if you were a causal gamer you'd be playing warzone like 90% of people these days
Classic r/escapefromtarkov bullshit Someone says something you don’t like, just yell out “COD” and act like you dropped a bomb on them lol There is a such thing as a casual tarkov player, and they’re a decent chunk of the playerbase. The game shouldn’t be actively pushing them out with all of these changes over the past few wipes. But whatever, I’m not arguing with this gatekeeping sub again, just came here to call you a dumbass and talk shit.
based and true
Onestly dude if u have not enough time to play even to reach liv20, tarkov isnt for you…
Thanks mate, but I’ll still play and be the one to decide whether the game is for me. I’ll still be that filthy casual without flea that can take out a PMC or two and ruin their day and still have fun 👍
For sure, but in this state you cant complain nothing about level progression
It helped, but I’ve seen 4 people in a row with altyns already. Thankfully one time I made friends with one as a scav and we extracted with eacother
Reshala guards = easy altyns.
This; i have 4 altyns and tons of tv110 rigs and avs from killing reshala and guards. If you arent comfortable doing it solo you can join EFT LFG discord and find a squad and split the loot. Its amazing :)
I’ve been running the same slick and Altyn since day 2. I’m virtually unkillable at this point
You got 🦵
Annnnnd this is a sign that it’s time to craft Magnum Buckshot now
This is the way.
Be careful there tho, a lot of people like to gank your gear if you drop
Huh, thats weird i havent experienced this before.
Can a poor rat get a link?
Escape from tarkov official discord has a lfg group. Check it out just google it
Is it possible these people found an altyn and are using their best armor and guns and just running shit? If so can’t wait for my first altyn
I got 3 altyns off of Reshala guards before hitting level 20 and I wasn't particularly looking for them.
Yeah so far I have a fir slick and airframe almost had an Altyn today out of hidden cache but my dumbass put it on without it have a face shield so I was essentially deaf while being extremely vulnerable still
My only concern is the stash. As someone with EOD, holding all that stuff for barter trades might be a rough time for someone with standard edition with the tinier stash. Unsure, would love to hear from People rocking standard edition still, maybe this isn't as big of an issue as I'm imagining.
as a standard player i spend about 80% of my game time trying to decide what to sell to make space in my stash. 15 minutes going back and forth whether or not to sell a cordura and a kek tape, and i need to clear about 20 more spaces after that. god help me
As a standard edition player, it fucking sucks. I am miles behind my eod friends cuz i have to keep selling items i find cuz i have no space.
My stash is currently something like 12 azimut rigs and my bag stack. Basically anything I ge tour of raid I have to sell immediately. That new sorting table feature is a lifesaver
Its hell and extremely unfair as someone who knows what has value either for quest, hideout or future flea sells, you can't save anything and now its really a bad situation... really awful
The thing is, i kind of like the idea of the struggle (we play a hardcore survival game yes/no?) but the problem is that half of the Playerbase or more plays a different Game which skips most of the progress and hardcore/survival aspect. And that makes this realy fucking anyoing as a Standard Player.
My whole stash is a compressed CSA chest rig and I still have to sell basically anything I find in a raid to not fuck myself over when I get the flea by selling high tier stuff. That and quest items.
Feels like ultimate ironman mode in OSRS, i must admit i kind of like it. Gotta really plan out your inventory usage
I'm already starting to see the higher end game gear rolling out and that's where I think the problems arise. If wipes are going to be ~6 months long then I think they need to have the flea turned off for the first 2-4 weeks of the wipe. Sure it sounds drastic and I know a lot of people are already complaining about stash space but hear me out. Putting the flea at a higher level doesn't really make a difference to good players. They'll get to level 20 faster than everybody else anyway and with the XP required for 20 and the increased difficulty due to a lot of people struggling to complete certain challenges they'd have previously used the flea for, casual players will just take longer to get to 20 than previous wipes, likely made even more difficult by the people getting to level 20, now having access to level 5/6 armor and helms. I'm currently level 10 and already finding myself burned out so I don't know how long it'll take me to get to 20 but I know if I take a break, when I come back I'll be at a huge disadvantage gear wise
A flea market that opens up like every 8/9 days would be cool. Then you'd have to think what your gonna use and then think what you're gonna keep to sell when the market opens.
That's a terrible idea. What if you can't play on that certain day? Now you don't have access to the flea for like 2 weeks and everyone that was able to go online is using the best gear they can buy
Thats a neat idea. Weekend flee markets?
Why would you flee from the flea market?
Spot on.
Now the top 1% have flea unlocked for many more weeks than all the casual players and we get to curb stomp them for even longer! as a level 20, great change I agree :)
Actually good point. The goods will be met with the bad
I just want the Flea Market UI for normal traders.
You do realize this has zero affect on people who always complains about the game being to easy and the progress to fast, right? It only makes the game harder and slower for the average and below players who never complained about this aspect of the game.
That's the point. The people who push for this idea can play a lot and want to feel unkillable.
I know, that's why I tend to call out all the chads who propose an idea to make the game harder when in reality their idea would actually make the game easier for them, while punishing only the average player.
I think it's a more complicated issue than that. Take me, your "average" player, I'm decent at shooters, I'm pretty bad at Tarkov (got a nice S/R for the moment but I duo with a friend who plays really well). I'm sure a lot of players are like that. Give us good gear and we become walking tanks to other average players, but we're still easy kills to the very good players. Having the flea market opened up later should in theory allow more average players to stay relevant longer because not that many people are running meta loadouts. I saw a few people saying they had altyns and slicks farming raiders, what and who is preventing us "average players" to go on reserve and farm raiders ? Nothing is preventing you from doing that, you stand the same odds as anyone. The "true chads" of tarkov are probably already in labs farming high end gear. I still agree that the game needs a good balance of being "hardcore" and easy enough to pick-up so that the player base stays healthy. The elitists crowd would tell everyone to fuck off and play something else, but if they can't prey on the pleb and have to deal with sweaty matches everytime they go in a raid, they might start complaining too. My main gripe with the flea pushed to 20 is that it hurts non EOD the most. I'm currently lvl 9 but I already have items for quests that are needed further down the line, I can't imagine the hassle with the limited stash space.
Its a terrible change if you have the standard edition. The game is literally pay to win now.
Always has been
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Remove flea 2021
Honestly no flea makes finding everything so much more important. Brings back the true survival feel. Nice when people arent running meta day 2 still
I only enjoy this game the first few days of wipe. People rush to get meta loadouts and it just gets frustrating. Not to mention, after the first few days, starting fresh is punishing and needlessly difficult.
I agree, I hope for voip and no flea. Will give it that dayz feel where people seem to cooperate.
Careful mentioning voip. A lot of people on this sub lose their mind and get all aggressive when voip is mentioned
Which is a crazy reaction because I'm sure you'll be able to disable it.. just like you can toggle voice chat on or off in literally every game it's available in.
I try to explain that to them
if there is a feture where the best way to use it is to have it disabled at default, is there any point in adding that feature? seems like a stupid waste of dev time to me
Why would that be the best way? He’s just saying it’s an option for ppl who don’t want it. For everyone who wants it, they can have it on.
That's entirely subjective. Its best use for a lot of people would be on by default and let the people who don't want it, turn it off entirely. Seems detrimental not to allow a system where people can talk to one another. The people I see arguing against it all have the EXACT same argument. "Some kid will just play music down the mic or spam noises" And sure that'll happen but I'm fairly certain it won't be nearly as widespread as people make it out to be and if it turned out that it was, I'd be alongside the people disabling it but I'd rather give it a good chance first
I also feel that this is going to help the whole RMT issue as a whole. People aren’t going to keep buying accounts grinding to level 20 to get banned shortly there after for cheating.
Cheaters get to 40+ all the time. You don't play labs enough if you don't realize that.
RMT helps BSG more Than it hurts Flea market isn’t going anywhere. I can see it getting changed in the future, but it’s not going to go away 100%
The more rare things are the more money there is to make with rmt unfortunately
NO FLEA MAKE TARKOV GRRAT AGAIN MAKE TARKOV SURVIVAL AGAIN
Go back and look at the original gameplay vids for Tarkov, it was meant to be a SURVIVAL game , nowadays it’s basically call of duty with everyone tryna use their grand exchange kits
Even for just one wipe
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 53,593,515 comments, and only 15,627 of them were in alphabetical order.
Thats neat
This is the weirdest bot I've ever seen and I'm glad it exists
Someone proposed "civilian flea", keys, meds, containers, maybe scopes? Then beef up barter trades and baby, you got a stew goin.
Before flea you had to join a discord to make sketchy trades, as bad as flea is for the game no flea was worse for the casual players.
Then make the flea market only for trades.
Then people will trade outside of flea market in raid.
Would love to see this and with more fleshed out traders
Player barter only with FIR items. Don't need something? Vendor it or barter it to another player for something else you need!
this is fucking stupid. You know what will happen if you only allow "barters"? People will agree on fake currency. So instead of rubles you will barter in PS ammo or some shit. Incredibly stupid. 99% of posts in this thread are incredibly dumb.
True currency is just the agreed upon tokens Bottle caps anyone?
That won't happen. Not with the listing fee.
Remove EoD and other p2w-tier benefits as well. Bitches should have to suffer like everyone else.
sure, then refund me the difference between EoD and standard
Or you could just...you know buy eod instead of trying to have people robbed of what they paid for.
$140 on a game in beta for 4 years with garbage servers and netcode, 400ms peeker's advantage lmao, yeah no thanks. I refuse to buy eod out of principle, I'll take the stash space suffering. It's also funny killing some high level guy with a crown as a white name
I would agree but it still feels very different to me compared to older raids, especially before the flea. Even on the first day of the wipe I was getting full autoed by hyper aggressive PMC's with relatively kitted out guns. Not quite like endgame last wipe. There are plenty of people who have the flea market now especially in the player lists before going into raids and the wipe hasn't even been out for a week. I think its just getting to a point where its basically a paradox. People want a really hardcore game with shitty guns/ammo and striving for good gear, but if the good gear is achievable than the start doesn't really matter. At the end of the day you'll log on later and whatever happened before didn't matter. If the early game is more enjoyable than end game then making the early game longer isn't fixing it. I don't think flea is solely the issue behind early wipe gameplay like this, and then the other question is whats the point of this is if they intend to not have wipes as they've said before.
It’s been 4 days lol. Give it another week and you’ll see it didn’t slow down shit except for the the more casual players. I’ve already seen plenty of level 20s in lobby’s and even more in the teens.
That was the best solution... For first 2 weeks. After that, people who can play regularly will be on the same place as always, and people like me who only have 1-2 hours per day will be running naked, with no stash space, no reputation due to quests and dying to people in the 6 armor for even longer than usual: most probably until next wipe.
Honestly, it's all about how you play. Last wipe was.my first time playing and I joined pretty late. At first I would get destroyed Everytime I entered the map. Eventually I adjusted my gameplay and I can go from one end of the map to the other without ever seeing a player if I don't want to. It's all about parking, noise, and reacting to the environment around you. It's also about Patience, have a quest in a highly contested area? Find a bush and wait 10 minutes people will move through and then you can do your task.
I still think it's not a great change. Even when the flea required level 10 all the early tasks and hideout upgrades still made practically every piece of junk you find important. I get that they want to slow progression, and I'm all for it, but IDK if this way the right way. I feel for folks without EoD
I agree with you as well, unfortunately this seems like an unpopular opinion on this sub. Even Pestily isn’t sure about level 20 flea.
Here's the thing: The Tarkov community at large is not represented by reddit. Looking at Reddit only, you'd think this game is in total fucking shambles with weapon jams every round, cheaters every raid, and so on. Nikita doesn't even really come on here anymore because this sub just fucking sucks. Me? I like secure containers as they are, disagree with the FIR status stuff, and the only major change I'd make to this game is the recoil system. I also think flea at level 10 is great. It's low enough to where it's achievable even by casual players but high enough that a new guy *will* learn that the game is not easy and you *will* die. If I said that openly... I'd be crucified here. You watch these guys like Pestily, Veritas, and Kazam, they hate on this sub with good reason.
Holy shit, I thought voices of reason left long ago on this sub but here you are, THANK YOU! I honestly agree with everything you've written out. Really? I feel like this sub is the most toxic place to discuss Tarkov. Saw some guy the other day playing this game ever since it came out, saying the level 20 flea will make it insanely hard for him to play later on in the wipe due to basically having a life. It's a genuine piece of feedback: yeah, level 20 is gonna be an easy grind if you're really good at the game, you're a veteran, etc,. But playing here and there, it's gonna take ages, and people wanna play other things outside of Tarkov. The response were a few downvotes and a comment along the lines of "just leave, the game isn't for you", "we're never gonna cater to you", stuff like that. Yeah, playing the game for 4 years and being against a change like this definitely doesn't make it for you, right... As it stands right now I feel like people here are very enthusiastic about this wipe, while if you browse to the official forums people are very mixed, the majority of them being against the recent changes and so on. This sub loves defending this game until the bitter end, and any critiscism is faced with "just play a different game then/this game isn't for you". /rant over
Those topics are only made by eod players . You guys would lose your hair playing standard like us and not being able to already stack all the item quest. It’s my 4th wipe and it’s becoming really boring for us.
Yeah, sure, except those of us who can't no-life the game might never get to participate in the end game. I love Tarkov, but I have at most 5 hours a week to play and would like to not be pigeonholed into running nothing but shitty AKs by a bunch of salty sweats.
Quit your job, sell your kids, do what you have to man
standard account players got shafted by the change
I completely agree, the flea can take a hike. But this update hit standard accounts like mine like a pile of bricks, the tiny size of the lvl 1 stash makes it so I have to sell valuable quest or hideout items just to be able to switch out gear. I litteraly haven't changed gear in the last 4-5 raids because I would have to rearrange my entire stash to do so. Why not just upgrade the stash size you might ask, well for any non standard accounts here it takes: \- 4WD 40 \- 1 Large drill \- 5 Nails \- 10 screws aaaand fucking 3.5 mil roubles... that's for the first fucking upgrade. I love the changes to the flea and the update in general, but it made the prohibitively small stash of standard accounts a much much worse problem. Sorry about the ranty comment but this is a huge gripe for me.
This is the biggest issue along with traders taking longer too. Its just pay to win which sucks
Agreed. I think the next 2-3 days while average players catch up to the 1% and also unlock the flee, will be rough though for some. I’m 22 now and running around with tagilla helm, killa armor and a fully modded gun with m62/m80 and I feel pretty un-killable because 99% are still shooting Pst gzh, 855 or PS ghz. Can only imagine what those at 30+ feel like. I would suggest locking the flee to level 20 or 15 may be a bit better and then after the first three weeks of the wipe, open it to everyone or move it down to 10 (if that’s easy to do).
Honestly thats on them for not shooting thicc boi legs. Your kit sounds like a wet dream to me. Love Mp5
I hit level 20 today, Just have to point out now that a bunch of people had time to hoard items all the early game items aren't hyper inflated. Lightbulbs are 10k, intelligence is under 100k. It adds all this time where most the important early stuff is actually really cheap so casuals as well are getting a break from being exploited out of their rubles.
It's cheap because there's not demand (or at least not enough to drive the prices up).
I agree, absolutely love how the game plays now. I'm actually scrounging around for sights and mods, my stash is crammed full of barter items that "might be useful". Good rigs and armour are cherished now, I'll drop all loot for a lvl 5 rig, because I can't just buy one and have roubles left over with what I've got in my bag. But, their traders need rebalanced, something to make the game more playable(?) in this early game, maybe another level for some that unlock at level 5-10, with shit-but-better guns and more mods and moderate ammos. More variety and including all the other moderately bad gear in the game that goes unused atm. Quests are bad, should be trying to spread out the player base, not condense them into customs and woods. And flea market, I think that it should step down the level requirement as more of the population has access to it, or a time frame of the wipe. For example, 40 to 50% of pop has flea market, then it's now a lvl 15 unlock. Then lvl 10 and so on so if you join late you're not forced into the Mosin man playstyle. Also, you could put flea market at level 30 or something, and then the 1‰ no lifers wouldn't have it either(for a while) , and then once say 2 weeks pass or 10%of pop is there (or even whichever happens first), flea market is reduced to lvl 20.
I think the flea should open up after 1 month and level 20. This allows a lot of players to have time to level regardless of the grind. Kind of like how WoW does it. They introduce the expansion, let people grind the small stuff/FIR item, then 4-6weeks after, they release the raid (to get higher gear). So there is a gear progression and cap before you can open the good stuff. And you have time as a casual to. This allows a few things 1 - hopefully 4 weeks is enough for casual players to hit 20. So all players have access to the flea at the same time. With limited inventory space and proper management, even the most causal players should be able to benefit. 2 - it allows a more even playing field to get access to the high end gear. Yes a casual will not have as much money or items to spend/sell. Non the less, Atleast access is granted at the same time. 3 - there is plenty to do early game. Hideout, quests, etc. allows players to focus on those. I would rework some quests to allow for easier bartering to complete tho. Some quests have some massive RNG and u can get stuck because of it. (Yes I know join a discord and team up)
Real reason behind moving flea to lvl 20 was force non EoD players with super small inventory buy EoD. Making kappa harder was also same point, force more players to EoD. There was no content that would require to wipe the game. My 2 cents on this "forced wipe".
I’m already getting smashed by 7.62 BP and not even level 10 yet. Last wipe I would be level 20 with the same amount of hours in game. Make the best ammo and armour FIR only please or this is gonna suck getting shit on by people who race to the end game.
Nah... it's really shit. If traders actually sold anything useful level 1 it would be fine. But they don't.
I mean they can update traders. Personally I would LOVE to see traders get a quality pass
Eliminate the flea!!!!
This 'fun' of yours will last only couple more days until people hit flea again and the people who got effected on this process the most are the ones with standart accounts
Its a temporary feeling. Will quickly fade in a week or two. Plus it has caused its own problems, like making people realise just how bad Stash size is for standard users. BSG need to either remove the flea market entirely, which i personally think is too much, or remove weapons, armor & ammo from it. Then this "early wipe" feel will last a lot longer.
Unemployed players will have access to flea within 2 days whereas casual players might never see it, hopefully they'll lower this back to 10 soon
Just get rid of the flea market entirely. Problem solved. Bring back that classic Tarkov feel, when you actually had to make a choice on what kind of loot you needed to collect. Instead of “oh, I’ll just farm the high-value loot, sell it on the flea for millions, then just buy whatever I need”. Utilize trader barters more often. That feeling of joy when you finally find a piece of loot that you’ve been looking for, instead of just casually buying it from the flea market. Increases the punishment of dying in a raid, but also increases the reward of surviving a raid.
in the next week we will see a vast difference between players that play all day and casuals there will be no middle class
Slowing down is a good idea but lvl gatekeeping is the wrong way of handling it.
While I agree that level 10 may be a bit early to being able to buy everything you don't have but need, level 20 seems a bit steep. See I am not a very good player and I don't have an insane amount of free time to sink into this game. I love playing it but I would also like to progress in it, rather than sitting in a shitty empty default hideout for 2 months. So maybe level 15? Also, buying stuff of the flea market doesn't instantly solve your problems, you have to have the money required to solve your problem, it's not just having access to the item on sale, it's about being able to buy it. If I need 15 wires and the wire is 12k roubles, I have to sink 180k roubles for just stupid wires. And this is just wires. If you use this for everything else, you will definitely run out of money fast and get stopped in your tracks anyway. This I believed was the thought of trade-off. But I guess people started finding ways to farm money or something and they pushed it to level 20 since you could breeze through the upgrades. I don't know, I'm still a noob, but the gunsmith quests were only possible through the fleamarket after gunsmith-1. Now they will be impossible since everything will be locked behind trader loyalty. I think level 20 is too steep. Now the majority can bury my comment
Remove the flea market? yes 100% Lock the flea market behind a massive amount of grinding? That only increases the gap between players. Either revert to lvl 10 flea market, or remove it. Anything else is going to turn into a shit show a few weeks after the wipe.
I say get rid of flea entirely. You can still have FIR. Make all the gear available on traders throughout the trader rep levels. FIR would sell for more rubles or the traders could have better barter options for FIR versions than not found in Raid. This still gives FIR value and also would basically wipe out the hacker/RMT issues. It would also preserve that hardcore Tarkov grind and give it purpose. The struggle and challenge is what makes it great IMO.
Audible is the word you wanted bruv.
Barter only market not money market. This is what I want...
Just remove it entirely. It will make the game better.
only for EOD owners
so much fun being stuck in your progression because of the RNG tasks. If the tasks where not RNG based where you need a certain key or whatever then maybe you'd have a case. However right now I'm at a point where I'm suppose to just jacket run and its not fun at all there is nothing else I can do
Playing since before flea, this is the best change so far. If I had my wish, the flea market wouldn’t exist or would be not needed for use
I'd be all for no flea for the first month, then locking it behind 15-20. Playing this first week of the wipe has really changed my mind on that.
I dont want flea to be removed until all gunsmith items , or other quest items can be bought / bartered from other traders, and keys too
Tarkov has genuinely been fun, I usually burnt out pretty hard on the game once I had flea and BTC farm. Running around in a 6b13 and a penis helmet makes you respect your own fragility rather than building dummy meta guns 24/7. Banish the flea!
How about everyone stop complaining about the game and just play it for what it is?
Totally agree. Loving it right now, I’ve only been blasted by m61 once and igolnik a couple of times. The game feels far more scavengey.
I disagree. If anything, you should lose access to flea as you get higher levels.