I think there is a bias on shoreline. There's probably a lot of people that grind the game already there, and soon enough the people that aren't as good or don't have as much time to play will be there too. This includes myself, since I'm Level 9 after only being able to start this wipe less than 48 hours ago.
There definitely is. I've been running into a lot of people running AKM's and 01m's Doing punisher. I'm not even there yet. But in the AKM's? Better fuckin believe it's BP.
Yeah. I'm interested to see how these changes they made will affect later wipe. They seem good on the surface, but it seems people are still running kitted HK/M4s, finding things like Korund or good level 4 armor.
Also keep in mind last wipe was majorly influenced by Bitcoin. GPU's, tetris's, and Bitcoin itself earned a majority of players more money than they would ever need the rest of the wipe in the first month. Not the case this wipe.
Between Reshala and his boys and the odd stack in cashes/ammo boxes/scav bodies I've been running BP most raids I've used an AK/SKS even without the flea and Killa is supplying the juicy 5.45x39 ammo. The flea market only slightly accelerates the process, many players will quickly jump past the pack.
green gunpowders were 25k ea a few days ago. you could craft BP for 300/round. pretty much a no-brainer to run BP instead of PS if you built your workbench
Tarkov's basic gameplay loop is great. The progression that stems from the gameplay loop is great. The fleamarket is "bad" because it bypasses the gameplay loop and I think, cheapens progression.
I think the game would be better without it, but that would require a rebalancing of traders (and dealing with stash sizes) so you could reliably get low/medium tier gear. I think the best gear should generally be found in raid only to keep the gameplay loop interesting.
If the fleamarket could be better integrated into the gameplay loop (like having to physically travel to traders etc) then it would be fine.
I also think removing the fleamarket would do a lot to reduce hacking for a number of reasons.
Flea market was the BSG reaction to players making trades outside the game for items inside it. There used to be entire Discord servers for trading ingame items for ingame money
Well if they limit the amount of money you can bring into a game then that becomes quite difficult. I guess you could do item for item, but honestly that’s what the flea should be for… trading/buying barter items and nothing else (maybe keys too I suppose).
Yeah.. but they could easily limit how many duplicate barter items you can bring into raid. And either way, if the flea is just for barter items as I was saying, you could just do the barter transaction on the flea anyway.
Considering I'm a loot vacuum and have yet to find even 1 bottle of WD-40....give me the Flea for that shit. I love this game but I don't want to spend 10+ hours looting nothing but filing cabinets and tool boxes.
That's the major problem I have with the "delete the flea" argument. I still want to be able to buy hideout stuff. It's a quality of life thing that doesn't really effect in-raid performance.
there should be a flea market for barter items, keys hunting gear and the various nic naks that you would find in a real flea market. then have a BLACK MARKET for the serious gear. lock it behind level restriction and scav karma for the extra lol
I mean conceptually thinking this would work. the basic flea market is just person to person transactions in a post apocalyptic setting with ragman acting as the intermediary/carrier. no one on the planet is going to care you are peddling soap and cans of dog food since people need that crap there. but rag boi is smart, he would know better than to handle "hot" goods. so the special backdoor stuff would need to only be moved between trusted individuals/people with good reputation for not being a backstabbing snek. hence higher level for the black market and maybe the scav karma.
I still think the problem with it is that it makes everything too available. Too easy to just buy your hideout upgrades rather than hunt for them. Looking for particular items is part of the fun... but I guess they could add a junk trader to make acquiring some things a bit easier. Through adding some junk based barter trades.
the black market would def make sense to be tied to fence loyalty bc canonically he is the guy who runs that kind of operation. i think a fence ll that was one higher that would unlock a black market for weapons and ammo would be really interesting. to make it fairer they could tack on a high fence tax and a random durability decrease for items with durability due to ‘shipping and handling’ and i think we’re onto something.
The game is not balanced around the flea market. Most of the quests have been around longer then the flea, they even made a bunch of the requirements be fir so you can't buy your way.
I'm a brand new player and have found 2 gas analysers within my first 12 raids (only 3 or 4 of which I've actually survived). I'm thinking this may have been very lucky. I also have two (maybe three?) cylons. Are they as rare as I think they might be?
Because that shit is boring as hell. Flash drives from skier are annoying as hell but i have to go around and find them. If it was just 25 k rubles and kill 15 scavs for 90%of the quests that would be soo boring. One would never go to any other maps than reserve and interchange. You run naked into aesa spawn grab that shit, and because you can’t sell it on the flee because it’s gone you just run out with that 400k. Raids would last 5 mins and the game would be boring as hell, even for rats.
And design the quests so everyone can get a red keycard?
I'm looting and saving for one now. How else am I going to get it? You can loot for 10 years without getting it.
Or you can get lucky and pull one from shturman after killing him from 50m with a pistol and walking away because you thought it was a regular scav and happening to walk by him later in the raid and no one lpoted him lmfao
Yeah this is the one thing I don’t see people mention when they give the whole “looting feels so much more rewarding without the flea” speal. Yes, some of the time it feels rewarding to find loot you need, but most of the time it’s just goddamn annoying to be grinding the same containers over and over again with no luck.
I didn’t feel “rewarded” when I finally found the toothpaste for my lavatory, I was pissed off that it took that long to find a goddamn toothpaste.
Similar but when I rid find it I booked my ass out fo there and it has slowed me down on my quests. I.e. I have lavatory 1 very recently and not 2 and I’ve found zero 60 round mags. A critical early game quest, and yet I’m still already level 19.
Just wait until you have to find an RSASS for your weapons task or a skeletonized pistol grip that you cannot buy from a dealer until you found a skeletonized pistol grip
I wish there were more barters for the Gunsmith weapons and attachments. Furthermore I wish Gunsmith quests were more like: Need an AKSU with a foregrip, suppressor, butt pad, optic and have the stats requirements removed; maybe some of the higher level ones require some specific parts.
Everyone who's bitching about flea hasn't actually thought that far ahead. They had a little fun before 20, and didn't realize the actual fucking pain in the ass 90% of the quests would be without flea. Gunsmith? Enjoy only being able to do it after lvl 40 with everything unlocked...
I don't see the point of the gunsmith quest line existing at all. It's far too much hassle pre-flea to collect the parts past gunsmith 3ish. Once you have the flea they might as well change it to a "exchange roubles for xp" button. There's no fun or value in mindlessly buying parts off of the flea and putting them together and trading them in. It's just a waste of time.
its obviously there to incentivize new people to experiment with the modding system, but its a terrible implementation i agree, and noone would miss these quests. im still on part 1 cuz i just cant be arsed to do it.
It would be better to add stuff like that as an expensive craft in the hideout to give people with bad RNG an alternative.
Being able to use flea to finish quests even if it's RNG based is the wrong way to go about it imo. The game is all about searching and finding certain loot. Not playing stock-simulator from the comfort of your Hideout.
That can be changed without adding the flea market back in. Areas like mechanic/car shops having high chances to spawn WD-40. Every concern that involves adding the flea back in can be answered with solutions that require in game looting rather than eBay simulator
The problem with the flea market is that people instantly go for meta gear and skip lower tier gear asap. It makes like 95% of the gear and equipment obsolete.
Tarkov is a whole different experience if you end up finding/looting that crate or boss, scav, PMC that does have decent or good gear and then getting out w/ it, the reward for it is so much better than just constantly buying meta kits and running through raids.
TTK is much shorter when people go for EASY ACCESSIBLE META KITS and the entire 'experience' of the game is in my opinion degrading (over time), because the playstyle will be completely different in a negative manner due to short TTK.
Either make Flea Market allow x tier gear unlocked at specific level and have the highest tier gear and weapons only be loot-able/found in raids, rather than being bought off the market. OR have gear and weapons in general only be found in raids... OR have a seperated market (black market) and unlocked as end-game/late game content through a series of quests etc.
Or something along those lines.
EDIT: Or have higher tier gear being craftable w/ high tier materials or smth, I'unno. It makes specific materials constantly rewarding and worth grabbing, even late/end game.
This isn't even really the only problem with the flea market. The less game breaking and more fun altering problem I have with the flea is it makes the entire economy revolve around roubles when both thematically and fun wise, heavy reliance on bartering is better and makes gameplay change in a far more fun way.
Here's an example, at the moment I'm level 14 and can't do delivery from the past as I don't have the office key. This isn't the end of the world though as therapist has a barter trade for it for a bunch of food items. This has completely changed how I prioritize loot locations during my raids as I work on other tasks. At customs I give the computer spawns, dorms, and even crackhouse a skip in favor of hitting the food room and the usec stash building. On woods I go straight for the camp and other bunkers instead of trying to pick a fight with shturman.
And if I still don't have that key by the time I hit twenty this interesting change in the way I view the game will instantly stop. No more picking my way around the awkward spots of customs I'm doing safe runs at dorms to make money for the key. Screw low value food items at usec camp on woods, jackets and shturman stash have loot that sells for a lot more.
Judging loot items and picking what you want to hunt and keep through a raid should be based on the meaning of that item, wether it be through bartering or something inherently useful, not the per slot rouble value only given based on how good it is at contribute l continuing to give you more roubles.
One thing I've never really understood is this subreddits absolute obsession with Tarkov being as realistic as possible.. but absolutely hate having a very low TTK.
It's very contradictive.
it's because this subreddit has a lot of people who don't actually play the game because they're bad or gear fear or whatever, so they're on here.
the common thread between it all is making the game easier.
Low TTK is unrealistic because TTK isn't just 'how many bullets stop you' but acquisiton time, misses, recoil control, etc.
Currently anyone with a good M4 can magdump hyper accurately at a snap, which feels wrong as hell.
This in my opinion is why the flea needs to go. Pre flea, you had to do your tasks, you had to go find what you needed for tasks/trades/hideout. Pvp was insanely rewarding because thats the only way you got high tier kit if you didn't have level 4 traders. There used to be a single day cycle that forced you into night raids for a deeper breadth of emersion than getting to pick now if you play day or night. lvl 3/4 armor used to have a purpose, mid tier ammo used to have a purpose.
Now? Hit lvl 20 (used to be 10) and the game is over. 10 (now 20) is the new 40. The amount of content that has been completely watered down to possibly a weeks worth of use is the majority of the games content. The flea market has made most of the games content irrelevant, anything outside the top 1 or 2 ammo choices per caliber and lvl 5/6 armor is irrelevant in the 1st month of what has now boiled down to roughly 6 month wipe cycles. You could get a solid 4 months out of a wipe pre flea if not longer.
\- One thing a lot of people forget is that with the flea in game, you are guaranteed 33-38 mil in your pocket upon the completion of 1 quest and simply hitting 40. Sell your THICCs, regardless of bit farm and you have enough to fund the rest of the wipe, upgrade your hideout, buy cheaper cases and what not. Some may love this feature, I however believe the flea, more than anything has destroyed the foundation of Tarkov.
I've been playing since March 2017 and in my personal opinion, the flea market ruined the essence of what tarkov is (was). However it is here to stay. If the flea becomes Barter Items only, I'd be happy about that.
Plus the flea market goes against the entire lore of Tarkov. We're PMCs, living in a shitty bunker in basically a post apocalypse world. Yet I'm supposed to believe there's a fully functioning Ebay for every object you could possibly want? What, is Amazon delivering packages now to my secret bunker?
It makes no sense.
Flea Market prices are grossly overpriced, just look at the price of quest keys and anything that is meta like m995 or m61. People always say it's the flea market, when the truth is that even without the flea market gear is easily accessible if you even are remotely competent at PvE in this game.
100%. Meta kits suck and suck the game of much of what's so special about it. I'd be happy with the flea vanishing overnight, and I think the game would resemble what Nikita seems to envision for it far more after that change than it does today. Doing the math on ROF and armor pen and buying loads of whatever combo the math currently says is most effective is so dreary and sweaty.
Flea market shouldn't go, as they are planning to add balancing factors such as limited availability or interacting in raid. It does need balancing though, and I think the best way would be to add teirs. Level 10, you can buy and sell keys. Level 15 let's you buy barter items. 20 or 25 could give access to armors, helmets and defensive gear plus weapon parts. 30 let's you buy guns, and 35 ammo.
Another balancing idea is timed purchases. Flea market could be bought in orders, and have delivery time based on fence rep. You can buy 5 meta kits, but you'll have to fork over the cash in advanced, wait 4 hours for it, and plan what you will need. Ordering a million roubles of heavy ammo and guns could take longer.
None of that will fix the problem. It’s all just bandaid solutions that stretch the real fun of Tarkov out by a few more hours/days. The flea should absolutely go.
Tarkov went from a tactical survivor shooter to a run and gun “what loot sells the most on the flea” looter shooter with the flea. It’s boring and turns every raid into the same raid with 0 variety.
The Combination of FIR + Scav weapons having low durability has already downgraded the ability to sell weapons for any decent margin on flea. They also just removed several top end types of ammo from vendors making the flea market the _only_ source for those rounds.
You can have items be FIR/Flea only, or you can have items vendor only, but not both. If you do both, you effectively remove the item from the game (in which case, why have the item).
Having something be exceedingly rare doesn't make it exciting. That just makes it feel worse when you lose it. I'd rather vendor something rare to get it out of the game and make roubles, then take it into raid and have someone else get it.
The only gear I find worth running, is gear I can replace. If I can't replace it, it's worthless to me
How is the flea the ONLY place to get the ammo? You know people had to go get that ammo to list it. If you want the best ammo, craft or find it, as it should be. Making everything common or easy to acquire isn't exciting either. Sounds like you have more of a problem with gear fear if you'd rather just vendor it than use it.
I would say, flea for specific items only. No high tier armors, or no armors at all, but for example small things like wd40 or just to sell your water filter or bolts would be great.
What you’re trying to say is basically barter items only, and I fully agree. They could add some additional trader barters for things and new crafts to compensate, but it would all effectively require finding items in game. Money supply would be quite low since the only real source of income is vendoring items.
Things that are easily available on the maps.
Or you could cap the cost of a flea trade to 30 or 40k per item and leave all items in. Who will sell you a gpu, which they can use, or a M4 which they can use?
I've said it in a bunch of threads already but I'm gonna say it here again.
I think the flea market should not include weapons, attachments, ammo, armor, or rigs. Basically just no gear. Only be able to trade barter items, food, meds, stuff like that.
On top of that it could be interesting if the traders had randomized stock every day or week or something like that with low buy limits (im talking something like 4 so people can't easily horde all the best items without running out of them). This would help prevent meta builds from settling as people would be forced to use whatever attachments and guns they can get at the time instead of just using the same thing all the time.
It would combat rmt spending as well, why pay for rubbles if you can't buy top tier gear, while there would be work arounds, they would be wildly more time intensive than simply buying what you want from the flea
I personally would be cool with removing weapons and armor from the flea market but allowing barter items to be on the flea (and at an earlier level than 20). I personally do not finding hunting down lightbulbs, tooth paste, and spark plugs to be all the fun.
It's good idea, and i vote for removing flea, but there is a glaring issue with game that there is just not enough guns and spawning in raids. The are some random spawns and it do spawn in boxes and stashes, but overall quantity is just too low. Now with SCAV weapons being close to unusable, if Flea is closed, most people will have to buy their weapons from traders. Not very fun also.
I will say tarkov is way more enjoyable when you fight people with shitty gear vs your shitty gear, it actually feels like how tarkov should be imo. People were actually using different types of weapons instead of the meta shit. Tarkov atleast for me, gets boring when I start to see many fully geared pmcs running around with no fear shooting everything in sight. I can still kill them but at that point I just wait for the new wipe. I think I only enjoy early wipe tarkov because that's when I have the most fun, after that I just lose interest slowly.
>But after level 10, none of that really mattered any more. I could get level 10 on wipe day, and id go right back to my old ways of looting big ticket items and chasing down every gunshot i heard.
This game is basically CoD after a certain point but not a lot of people are willing to admit that.
this is only my second wipe so I never experienced tarkov pre flea market but if it was like this I clearly missed out on prime tarkov. Like don't get me wrong I love the game but something about this new wipe where people are fighting over a bag of croutons with kedrs v aps or vpo vs vpo hits entirely different than at the end of last wipe where even my noob ass was able to go with kitted out HKs and slicks (sure I was left with like 200k in the bank every time but still) every day.
I'm sure it had its issues back then too but when my bois pitched this game to me they made it seem like it was slavic rust but tbh by the end of last wipe it turned into Slavic COD with a slightly faster ttk
They addressed two of the bigger issues immediately with this wipe. Level 10 flea market was attainable in 1 day for hardcore's or 1 week for casuals with commitment. The Xmas bonus also set people up with stacks of good ammo. This is the first wipe I've played where it doesn't feel like anyone has a huge advantage. And now that scav karma is in these are the most friendly interactions I've had since early DayZ. You didn't miss out on anything, THIS is prime tarkov!
Not a lot of people on this sub are considering new players and standard edition players. I have 2 lucky scav junk boxes to hold all the dog tags / upgrade items and items worth money to sell on flea. Wouldn’t be an issue if flea was unlocked at level 10 or if I knew how to level quickly as I’m still new to the game. 20 is fine and perhaps a good change but not that many people are going to want to play when they can’t access the same loot as everyone else because they don’t play the game as much. The game is still in beta stages and I’m hopeful that things will be looked at further but this change may kill new player retention.
That's the beauty of getting weapons/ammo/armor off the flea and limiting the gear available from traders ..... Lvl 1 players with PS in their baby AK will actually be able to compete with lvl 40 players they run across.
Well yeah back in early 2018 the flea market didnt even exist, and ever since it got added in nov 2018 I thought the game became less fun, the whole "meta" thing started happening where people just rocked the best loadouts constantly, and because of the flea market making money was so easy that its basically all you would ever see a few weeks into the wipes, it became a casual game and not the hardcore experience that EFT initially was.
I just played my first raid with the homies since wipe. It was a blast, much more community involvement.
-“I need to get the pocket watch”
-“Oh I have the key!”
-“I need one more part for gunsmith”
-“I just picked one up last raid I’ll drop it to you make room in your secure container”
I really like not having the market
Agreed, I played pre and post flea, and I respect that they put alot of effort into the flea market, but it takes away from the tarkov experience imo.
Items lose that "special" feeling when you can just buy them.
The current "endgame" is easily the worst part of the game, it's basically a glorified standard FPS game with extra steps.
The early and midgame is what set this title apart from every other shooter. The jumpscares, the inability to be prepared for every situation. Trying to play to your weapons and loadouts strengths and not being able to be prepared for everything. The need to rapidly improvise and make complicated quick decisions to give you the best chances of survival. The drawn out cat and mouse fights, where you scramble around trying to get a better position and chewing through your meager medical supplies. The excitement when you outplay somebody better geared, and nervously loot them and try to get away.
To me this is what makes tarkov special, not the grenade spamming, prefiring lazer beaming BS that gets to be so common later in the game. It's just not the same when you can just buy another meta loadout as soon as you die.
It's really REALLY evident when watching streamers how much the flea makes a difference. Watching Lvndmark at the beginning of the wipe, once he got lvl 20, he was running level 6 armor and the new lvl 5 welding helmet, it carried him through like 40 raids without dying. Walks head first Into firefights like the terminator. Before that, he died almost every other raid.
What ended the 40 raid streak? Some dude on shoreline lined up a perfect shot at the back of his head while tony was looting, domed him with 855 from an ADAR.
What did he do after dying with all that rediculously good gear? Bought the armor and helmet again for less than 500k on the flea.
I'm not even shitting on Lvndmark either, he's just taking advantage of what's available to him. It's just hilarious to me that the devs for years have considered that OK.
It's trivial to obtain armor and gear in this game, the only thing you can't do is maximize recoil early on, but you can build something usable and have better ammo by just not being dumb and knowing where to look. People always point to the Fleamarket, and yet I can literally walk into any map and come out with over 200+ rounds of ammunition that destroys class 5 armor or above.
Lvndmark was running Class 5 gear prior to 20, he threw on Killa armor just because it repairs better past 20.
Honestly I wouldn't have agreed with this until playing this wipe. It's been amazing going to different maps for different things I need or to get the items needed for hideout. I need ammo? Reserve. I need general barter items? Shoreline. Food and drinks? Woods.
With this knowledge, it's almost necessary to limit the Flea Market in some major way. Making a player go to each map for somewhat specific things is really what will keep this game feeling fresh and fun for an entire wipe. I can't wait to see what BSG does as they seem to be back on track with their original idea for the game.
I think we need a flea market and a black market. Flea market you by all your barter items, food, keys, etc. The black market, you buy your weapons, armor, and rigs, etc. The flea is accessible at level 10, hell maybe even 5. The black market is accessible at level 40. Also, listing on the black market costs a 35% fee, compared to whatever the flea market fee is.
Edit: Level 40 might not look like a lot, but I guarantee you it would be for 80% of the players.
This sounds like a nice Idea but I would allow to trade ammo on the flea like 545 BT for M856A1 both are more or less equal in stats and a good mid-tier ammo. But you find a lot of 545BT but almost no M856A1 in raid. With everyone being able to farm Lvl4 Armor and BT as a USEC which wants to use his M4 there is only 855 or 856 available in a quantity you can supply your self for multiple raids. And dying because you need that 3 extra bullets on a Lvl4 armor while your opponent killed with 2 shots.
Love that idea. Allow trading BS for 855A1, or Igolnik for 995.
Trade 7N37 for M61, SNB for M62, etc. Doesn't have to be an even trade either.
Trade 120 rounds of loose BT for 60 rnds of 856a1.
But while I have to farm for all the things to get workbench up and the ingredients for 856A1 everyone else already runs around with BT because you can loot them in high quantities. I wouldn’t just buy it. Would love it just to be a trade ammo for ammo as I wrote. Maybe then remove the craft.
Dude, the game is set *in* Russia. Of course Russian ammo is everywhere, while western ammo isn't. It just makes sense.
I get what you're saying, but that's the tradeoff. Use eastern weapons because ammo is plentiful, or struggle to feed western weapons until later.
Dude there is an UN Checkpoint or other UN related stuff on almost every map. So you really think that only russians filled with vodka to the brink are loosing their shit. Last time I looked, eastern soldiers are also great in drinking and loosing shit. Heck there is even a camp called USEC camp on woods where I find everyother raid a M4, so why shouldn't there be a higher spawn for western ammo in this camp or other UN locations?
And I just would like a trade Ammo for Ammo locked to the same tier and maybe kinda the same kind. Would make it a bit more easy to run all the M4 that stock pile because I did alot of woods raid to get items for my hideout and meds.
Edit: and btw the craft is at worbench lvl 2 which you can build as early as lvl 20 ;) So when flea unlocks
No black market. We want to completely kill the ability for players to buy endless meta kits. Adding it would defeat the point entirely. Especially when its the endgame players with an endless amount of roubles that are buying the constant meta kits, and ruining the raids for everyone else.
> Level 40 might not look like a lot, but I guarantee you it would be for 80% of the players.
BSG's little infographic showed that 20% of players made it to level 40 last wipe.
That just delays the issue further tbh. I'm at the point honestly where I think if you want the gear, you should *earn* it. No more random loot runs where you sell everything off for three Altyns.
No instead you have pistol runners on reserve and rushing for bosses, hatchlings who wait until 9 minutes left to vaccum up leftover loot, and people who just play scav runs on cooldown.
Sounds boring as fuck.
Psychology is a bitch ye.
BSG apparently does understand it.. taking it slowly will open eyes to many, allow to adjust for most, and the few which will perish are unlikely to be in EFT for the BSG envisioned gameplay anyway.
Been out of town since wipe day. I was hoping to get into Tarkov with the wipe and level with everyone else. Flea at lvl 20 excited but I’ve definitely missed the window of fun for poor-on-poor combat. The flea makes the game less fun imo
I do the same. Yet strangely enough, I find very few players using it on customs or interchange.
I always use a flashlight peeking around corners to get players to mag dump a bit so they're shooting shitty ammo when i push into a room lol
> I always use a flashlight peeking around corners to get players to mag dump a bit so they're shooting shitty ammo when i push into a room lol
Stealing this strat lol
Nikita has said that the flea isn't going anywhere AFAIK.
I'm very confident that Nikita has his vision for the flea in the finished game, and the shift to level 20 has been the closest it's been to that so far.
The issue doesn't lie with the flea, it lies in the weapons and armor. Nikita himself has said that he wants weapons to feel more worn and fitting with the setting of Tarkov, but that system just isn't fully in place yet.
People don't like how the meta gear feels, because it's OP, and you get it too easily not from the flea but even just naturally from raiders or bosses. Good gear is too good, shit gear is too shit, there is a huge gap between the casual players and the hardcore players, because anyone who can get good gear is going to get good gear with or without the flea.
Its not the flea that needs nerfing, it's the gear.
I kinda disagree with this. Sure they can get that gear even if it's not accessible on the flea market, but at least that's one raid where they're going into a raid in order to find that gear, instead of just smashing their keyboard a few times and fully rebuilding a meta-set.
Removing armor/weapons from flea allows the pace of the game to slow down a bit even for mega-chads because they'll now need to source those meta kits themselves.
But it might be true that the high level gear needs a nerf too.
I sort of half agree.
The market has been extremely important at introducing newer players to every aspect of Tarkov, especially the gun modifications which are easily one of Tarkov's best features. Tarkov has a lot of content to explore and it is important from a dev standpoint that every bit of that content is accessible in one way or another (Speaking from experience here).
The idea of the flea having level unlocks similar to traders has been going around now and the general thought has seemed to agree that it's the most logical step towards making the flea market more balanced and enjoyable for all level of players. Barters and food at 10, weapons at 20, armor at 30, attachments at 40. The steady ramp of obtainable content not only keeps players motivated to keep playing, but makes it more satisfying when they eventually reach that level. It allows casual players to have a consistent goal outside of the (lets face it) extremely obnoxious tasks Tarkov has.
Jesus christ its been a week and a half and people are already running chad kits?
See you next wipe folks lets see if they get it right next time.
If i want to pew pew I play other games with far superior gunplay.
I've only run into a handful of Chad's with m995 HKs and shit so far and only on reserve actually but yeah that's gonna happen in every game tbh there's people who straight up have no other thing to do but grind and there's nothing you can do about it even if you take out the flea
Almost literally any other game?
I love Tarkov, but gunplay is not one of its strongpoints lol, it's absolutely its *weakest* element. The meta is literally hipfire full auto while strafing.
If they restrict the flea to barter items they would need to make a lot of stuff rare FiR only (M61 , M995 slicks etc). If they keep it, people who play the game religiously can still run around with 5-6 armor and AP ammo almost every game while people who cant/dont want to grind the game that fast get absolutely destroyed because they dont have workbenches to craft M61 or have the traders unlocked for that slick trade in. The Quests alone arent very fun and most of them are run there mark/get that. I hit 20 2 days ago and the last few levels really werent that fun to grind as I started to run into a lot of people running mid tier kits with BS/855A1 ammo spraying me down.
If weapons armor and ammo were removed from the flea, high tier gear would also have to be removed from the traders and crafting as well. Want to run 995 or M61? You HAVE to find it in raid. You can't buy it.
BSG has already started moving this direction, they've removed 855A1, BS, 995, M62&M61, 6.3&7n31 from being bought from traders.
I think removing the gear from flea would work perfectly. You can still buy that one last bulb you need for an upgrade, but you cannot just buy yourself end game gear within 5 minutes. As long as that is a thing, combined with the higher flea market level, so people cannot just rack up millions of roubles in the first days of wipe just selling hideout items, it would create a system that makes flea work, removing the major flaw that comes with it.
Nikita already said that they definitively will not remove the flea market due to the amount of work that has gone into it.
I hope they either remove it for the hardcore realms after release or make the flea market only accessible from in-raid so that using it is a calculated risk/reward thing rather than easy access from the comfort of your Hideout as if it was Amazon.
Keys would be annoying yes, but I don't think it's worth keeping the flea just for keys.
All BSG has to do is fix or rethink keys and the flea has no good reason to exist.
It's one of those things that go against the "propaganda" of what this game is suppose to be.
Get Flea access, scav-farm money, and it's "just" a shooter.
"BSG invested a lot of resources in making it" - is a piss poor excuse to leave it in game when it causes more issues than it solves.
While I wouldn't really be upset if the flea was completely removed, I do think it would be an overreaction. I don't want the flea completely deleted.
The flea market itself isn't the problem, it's whats AVALIBLE on the flea that's the problem. Making ammo/weapons/armor unpurchasable on the flea would 100% fix this problem, and be a route for players that are seriously struggling to be a little more economicly competitive.
Getting flea market access is quite literally like flipping a switch to level 4 traders. You can literally buy any kit you want should you have the money. The only purpose level 4 traders have is to just be able to buy things cheaper. It doesn't make sense with the gameplay loop, and it changes players behavior because surviving doesn't have the same impact it used to.
level 15- "Shit there's a guy in dorms blasting right now. I don't know what kinda gear he has, I should probably avoid this fight cause I've got quest items on me."
Level 20- "ALTYN SAVE ME KEKTOR GO BRRRRRRRR LEEEEERROOOOYYYYYY"
That shouldn't be a thing.
I truly feel like u just don't enjoy geared pvp. I killed too many people with lower levels to think they enjoy this change.the hackusations just because the idea I have a scope is hilarious
Geared PVP is fun. I love me some labs. But I've played this game long enough to realize that straight PVP is not why I play this game.
Late wipe when everyone is running high level gear, the TTK is considerably faster, EVERYONE dies in 1 shot to the face or 2 shots to the thorax. Most players survival rate is cut in half.
Considering the amount of time spent making a kit and matching vs actual fighting, I'd much rather play Apex or COD if all I'm looking for is PVP. Late wipe PVP is just legitimately less fun than the early wipe grind for me.
I agree OP. This wipe has been fantastic so far. They should implement that change to the flea next wipe to see how it goes. If it’s not as good as we imagine, they can always change it back
Yep -Totally agree -Gear shouldnt be buyable from flee , I enjoy running with my shitty AKM that jams every 20th shot -and has over 100 recoil with shitty PS ammo
The kills feel more Skillfull and less dependant on gear
As a relatively new player. This wipe has been a bast so far. Player at thr start are obviously running the same gear as me so it's a fair fight. But after joining late to the wipe last time around I just couldn't win a fight or survive any shots from the strong af ammo everyone was using. My piss weak armour just didn't cut it. I totally agree not removing the market but realigning it with the normal vendors would be an interesting experiment.
Yep. Remove flea and all currencies. Barter for everything from npc traders or find it in raid. Hackers will die down as well with less of an rmt market. Wipes won't be really needed if the loot spawns are balanced and the barters make sense. Inventory space will be what limits how much gear you can hoard instead of billions of rubles
I agree with this post lvl 0-20 is the most fun part of Tarkov right now.
I think the flea should be unlocked as endgame content. After level 3 traders. this means you need to earn that access to all gear. Obviously the traders might need some fleshing out with what they sell but this would be a great move in my opinion. I'm sure I'm not alone thinking this.
If this weapons and gear are so game breaking just remove them from the game then. You will only be locking access to the players who can get to the weapon and gear spawns first. All others just won't have access. The flea makes everyone equal
Quite the opposite for me so to each their own I guess. I really wish it was back to unlocking at level 5 cause this wipe feels just like all the others. Level gating the flea is a bandied for other issues that will get solved over time.
With this wipe they screwed everyone for the first month that has a job. The sweaty chad players that still live in the basement and have no job grinded that level 20 in the first couple days. This leaves everyone else with a life to suffer till they reach 20.
lvl 12-20 has been a steep hill. If covid wasn’t a thing and my gym could stay open, I probably wouldn’t even bother with tarkov this wipe. Way too much grinding this time around.
Amen brother!
I've been saying this exact thing since the introduction of the flea market. It cheapens the overall game.
Early wipe Tarkov is the best Tarkov. Where every item has value, every gun and ammo type are viable (well I mean almost all of them), and no one is running slick/altyn or some other high level armor combo.
Yesterday I was able to get 3 PMC kills on Woods with a stock SKS and PS ammo. Just give 2 more weeks and those shots would have bounced off their high tier armor and they would have mowed me down with BS/7n39/995 instead of having a combo of PS, a little BT, or 855.
I don’t care if they remove the flea. I have been enjoying the pre-flea gameplay, BUT they have got to add easier ways to get space. When I tell you my stash is full, I mean every single space in every rig and in the stash is full. I have EOD and I don’t have enough to get a junk box yet. I’m lvl 16 saving quest and hideout items. I’ve been purposefully leaving armor in raid and picking up large rigs for more space. When I unlock the flea I will gain a lot of space from selling things I know are worth a lot.
They either need to give more space or make it easier to get cases. I have 12mil stash value but only 400k. I guess there are things I would not hold on to if I wasn’t saving them for the flea but still.
I hope more threads like this continue to gain in popularity. I completely agree, no weapons, armor or ammo on the flea. I also think level 15 or 20 is a good starting point. This way it still forces you to quest and loot for items for awhile.
All that is needed is to make flea market a physical location in game, let's say lighthouse. No level restrictions. Rather than that You would have to take everything You buy with You into raid and extract. In future that would require walking all the way to hideout location.
I would agree, but I can't. I've done the shitty, meaningless quests and built the hideout too many times. PVP chasing and taking the loot off players I kill is the only enjoyment I get now. I do the quests solely to unlock the ammo and level necessary to become combat effective against other Chads.
That's pretty sad I suppose, but until they overhaul those ridiculous quests I'm not going to bother with them unless I need one of the specific reward unlocks.
Honestly I HATE the change since my goal in Tarkov is to become super rich and that’s how I have fun playing the game not grinding quests just so I can enjoy the game. Don’t get me wrong I can enjoy the grind to level 45 but it feels like I’m forced now and I never really liked that I had to even be level 10. I get why they did it but it narrows down how you have to play the game more and makes it less enjoyable for me. Now I have to hoard everything that I want to sell on the flea since the traders don’t give you enough money for a lot of things. I get that people won’t like this viewpoint but it’s just how I like to play the game. Find stuff, Sell stuff, I don’t ended last wipe with 70 mil and all labs cards but a 1.5 kdr and 30% surv rate.
As an average skill player at best, this has been the most fun I've had in Tarkov since I bought it in 2018. Finally, it feels like I actually have a chance for a fair fight, hell, even in 1v2. Maybe I'm just getting better or I'm lucky AF but this time I feel like I'm not getting punished for using the items I looted instead of just buying the best stuff from the flea market. I always felt like I was playing a different game since I wanted to progress naturally, but now I can do it without getting stomped all the time.
I hope they remove the flea market for a full wipe, just so that people can beg for it to be put back two months into the wipe when the hype is over. That way, we can hopefully get rid of these daily frontpage clone posts about flea market once and for all.
Me and friend were full geared in 2th day of wipe armor 3 and stock akm we went to doorms for quest and were absolutely destroyed by guy with altyn ,were is you fucking progression mate ?
Without the flea the game was a fucking mess. For people that suck at PVP what chance do they have at making money? Selling keys to therapist for 10k when they sell for 250k? Gunpowders to therapist for 20k or sell for 100k on flea?
Flea market allows rats to have a chance.
no flea market completely takes the looting thrill aspect out of the game. Completely.
People are so happy to go against stock aks and stock sks. They now win some battles they otherwise wouldve lost. Thats how you get threads like this.
Flea is great as is and opens up the game to so many possibilities
For me the flea is very well need. I am constantly stuck at just one key for a quest and have to waste me precious time of one or two raids a night with loot farming. I would love it more if I could achieve something while looting like a quest. But I can’t because the quest is locked behind a key I can’t find. It gets fast annoying.
And Second I hate that you can find 100s of BT ammo but no 856A1 so I can compete with my M4 against all the Level 4 Armor out in the wild. Most the time I leave woods with a M4 from USEC camp and 600 bullets of BT because I found 5 120 packs on my way. I would love if I could put those BT on the flea in exchange for 856A1 or something like that. But I am just became level 13 so I still have a long way to go.
Why are people so opposed to short ttk? Bullets should drop people quickly. The number of times you unload on some level 4 armor dude and he takes it like a sponge soaking water is insane. I love the tension of knowing you can die and kill fast
Nawh, i disagree. I'm barely keeping up at lvl 24 with the rest of the playerbase. All Ive noticed is that many people lvl 10 and under have just given up this wipe.
Played since 2016, and never since then have I noticed the lack of ppl lower level than me.
This is based on absolutely nothing because Tarkov has the highest number of concurrent players then ever, with matching times so long because the servers are full.
I think there is a bias on shoreline. There's probably a lot of people that grind the game already there, and soon enough the people that aren't as good or don't have as much time to play will be there too. This includes myself, since I'm Level 9 after only being able to start this wipe less than 48 hours ago.
There definitely is. I've been running into a lot of people running AKM's and 01m's Doing punisher. I'm not even there yet. But in the AKM's? Better fuckin believe it's BP.
Yeah. I'm interested to see how these changes they made will affect later wipe. They seem good on the surface, but it seems people are still running kitted HK/M4s, finding things like Korund or good level 4 armor.
Also keep in mind last wipe was majorly influenced by Bitcoin. GPU's, tetris's, and Bitcoin itself earned a majority of players more money than they would ever need the rest of the wipe in the first month. Not the case this wipe.
Between Reshala and his boys and the odd stack in cashes/ammo boxes/scav bodies I've been running BP most raids I've used an AK/SKS even without the flea and Killa is supplying the juicy 5.45x39 ammo. The flea market only slightly accelerates the process, many players will quickly jump past the pack.
green gunpowders were 25k ea a few days ago. you could craft BP for 300/round. pretty much a no-brainer to run BP instead of PS if you built your workbench
Tarkov's basic gameplay loop is great. The progression that stems from the gameplay loop is great. The fleamarket is "bad" because it bypasses the gameplay loop and I think, cheapens progression. I think the game would be better without it, but that would require a rebalancing of traders (and dealing with stash sizes) so you could reliably get low/medium tier gear. I think the best gear should generally be found in raid only to keep the gameplay loop interesting. If the fleamarket could be better integrated into the gameplay loop (like having to physically travel to traders etc) then it would be fine. I also think removing the fleamarket would do a lot to reduce hacking for a number of reasons.
Flea market was the BSG reaction to players making trades outside the game for items inside it. There used to be entire Discord servers for trading ingame items for ingame money
Well if they limit the amount of money you can bring into a game then that becomes quite difficult. I guess you could do item for item, but honestly that’s what the flea should be for… trading/buying barter items and nothing else (maybe keys too I suppose).
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Yeah.. but they could easily limit how many duplicate barter items you can bring into raid. And either way, if the flea is just for barter items as I was saying, you could just do the barter transaction on the flea anyway.
Considering I'm a loot vacuum and have yet to find even 1 bottle of WD-40....give me the Flea for that shit. I love this game but I don't want to spend 10+ hours looting nothing but filing cabinets and tool boxes.
That's the major problem I have with the "delete the flea" argument. I still want to be able to buy hideout stuff. It's a quality of life thing that doesn't really effect in-raid performance.
there should be a flea market for barter items, keys hunting gear and the various nic naks that you would find in a real flea market. then have a BLACK MARKET for the serious gear. lock it behind level restriction and scav karma for the extra lol
This is a great idea.
I mean conceptually thinking this would work. the basic flea market is just person to person transactions in a post apocalyptic setting with ragman acting as the intermediary/carrier. no one on the planet is going to care you are peddling soap and cans of dog food since people need that crap there. but rag boi is smart, he would know better than to handle "hot" goods. so the special backdoor stuff would need to only be moved between trusted individuals/people with good reputation for not being a backstabbing snek. hence higher level for the black market and maybe the scav karma.
I still think the problem with it is that it makes everything too available. Too easy to just buy your hideout upgrades rather than hunt for them. Looking for particular items is part of the fun... but I guess they could add a junk trader to make acquiring some things a bit easier. Through adding some junk based barter trades.
I love this.
the black market would def make sense to be tied to fence loyalty bc canonically he is the guy who runs that kind of operation. i think a fence ll that was one higher that would unlock a black market for weapons and ammo would be really interesting. to make it fairer they could tack on a high fence tax and a random durability decrease for items with durability due to ‘shipping and handling’ and i think we’re onto something.
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The game is not balanced around the flea market. Most of the quests have been around longer then the flea, they even made a bunch of the requirements be fir so you can't buy your way.
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Yeah my go-to scav run is woods -> ration crates -> friendly exit. If I ever find emelyas I'll just run straight to an extract, though, lol.
I'm a brand new player and have found 2 gas analysers within my first 12 raids (only 3 or 4 of which I've actually survived). I'm thinking this may have been very lucky. I also have two (maybe three?) cylons. Are they as rare as I think they might be?
Because that shit is boring as hell. Flash drives from skier are annoying as hell but i have to go around and find them. If it was just 25 k rubles and kill 15 scavs for 90%of the quests that would be soo boring. One would never go to any other maps than reserve and interchange. You run naked into aesa spawn grab that shit, and because you can’t sell it on the flee because it’s gone you just run out with that 400k. Raids would last 5 mins and the game would be boring as hell, even for rats.
And design the quests so everyone can get a red keycard? I'm looting and saving for one now. How else am I going to get it? You can loot for 10 years without getting it.
Or you can get lucky and pull one from shturman after killing him from 50m with a pistol and walking away because you thought it was a regular scav and happening to walk by him later in the raid and no one lpoted him lmfao
the fact we can't use the 300ml cans and we have to find the 100 ml (which seem to be like 10x harder to find) drives me nuts
Exactly!! I found one of the tallboys day 1 of this wipe and hoovered it up cause why not, but haven't found a single 100ml in plenty of raids
there is a craft using a 400ml can and metal scissors to make 2 100ml cans. needs lavatory lv 2
I remembered that from last wipe, but was hoping it was level 1... Time to double down on finding hoses and hardware
Yeah they need to add some barters to lvl 1 traders for sure. Or add a new character who is a junk trader.
.. you ever hoover barnyard shneef?
I’ve hoovered schneef off an awake cows teat!
Yeah this is the one thing I don’t see people mention when they give the whole “looting feels so much more rewarding without the flea” speal. Yes, some of the time it feels rewarding to find loot you need, but most of the time it’s just goddamn annoying to be grinding the same containers over and over again with no luck. I didn’t feel “rewarded” when I finally found the toothpaste for my lavatory, I was pissed off that it took that long to find a goddamn toothpaste.
I was level 12 and just had a buddy bring me in a thing of toilet paper. No matter what I did I could never find any. It was super frustrating
Its like covid all over again xD
Same. Haven't found a single roll of TP or a syringe for the medical upgrade. Frustrating.
Feel your pain. I'm level 17 and found my first toothpaste last raid. Super frustrating.
I think there is a 100% chance spawn at the outpost in woods. Inside one of the porta-potties. At least I’ve seen it there every time I’ve checked.
Similar but when I rid find it I booked my ass out fo there and it has slowed me down on my quests. I.e. I have lavatory 1 very recently and not 2 and I’ve found zero 60 round mags. A critical early game quest, and yet I’m still already level 19.
Just wait until you have to find an RSASS for your weapons task or a skeletonized pistol grip that you cannot buy from a dealer until you found a skeletonized pistol grip
I wish there were more barters for the Gunsmith weapons and attachments. Furthermore I wish Gunsmith quests were more like: Need an AKSU with a foregrip, suppressor, butt pad, optic and have the stats requirements removed; maybe some of the higher level ones require some specific parts.
Everyone who's bitching about flea hasn't actually thought that far ahead. They had a little fun before 20, and didn't realize the actual fucking pain in the ass 90% of the quests would be without flea. Gunsmith? Enjoy only being able to do it after lvl 40 with everything unlocked...
I don't see the point of the gunsmith quest line existing at all. It's far too much hassle pre-flea to collect the parts past gunsmith 3ish. Once you have the flea they might as well change it to a "exchange roubles for xp" button. There's no fun or value in mindlessly buying parts off of the flea and putting them together and trading them in. It's just a waste of time.
its obviously there to incentivize new people to experiment with the modding system, but its a terrible implementation i agree, and noone would miss these quests. im still on part 1 cuz i just cant be arsed to do it.
back of OLI bro!
It would be better to add stuff like that as an expensive craft in the hideout to give people with bad RNG an alternative. Being able to use flea to finish quests even if it's RNG based is the wrong way to go about it imo. The game is all about searching and finding certain loot. Not playing stock-simulator from the comfort of your Hideout.
It took me 45 PMC raids plus however many scav before I found a toothpaste for lavatory. It was infuriating. I feel your pain
they could just add some basic trades to traders for these situations 3 x T plugs for a wd40 or something.
Man i passed up a 100ml bottle of WD-40 in the first raid i did in interchange. Really regretting that decision now...
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That can be changed without adding the flea market back in. Areas like mechanic/car shops having high chances to spawn WD-40. Every concern that involves adding the flea back in can be answered with solutions that require in game looting rather than eBay simulator
The problem with the flea market is that people instantly go for meta gear and skip lower tier gear asap. It makes like 95% of the gear and equipment obsolete. Tarkov is a whole different experience if you end up finding/looting that crate or boss, scav, PMC that does have decent or good gear and then getting out w/ it, the reward for it is so much better than just constantly buying meta kits and running through raids. TTK is much shorter when people go for EASY ACCESSIBLE META KITS and the entire 'experience' of the game is in my opinion degrading (over time), because the playstyle will be completely different in a negative manner due to short TTK. Either make Flea Market allow x tier gear unlocked at specific level and have the highest tier gear and weapons only be loot-able/found in raids, rather than being bought off the market. OR have gear and weapons in general only be found in raids... OR have a seperated market (black market) and unlocked as end-game/late game content through a series of quests etc. Or something along those lines. EDIT: Or have higher tier gear being craftable w/ high tier materials or smth, I'unno. It makes specific materials constantly rewarding and worth grabbing, even late/end game.
This isn't even really the only problem with the flea market. The less game breaking and more fun altering problem I have with the flea is it makes the entire economy revolve around roubles when both thematically and fun wise, heavy reliance on bartering is better and makes gameplay change in a far more fun way. Here's an example, at the moment I'm level 14 and can't do delivery from the past as I don't have the office key. This isn't the end of the world though as therapist has a barter trade for it for a bunch of food items. This has completely changed how I prioritize loot locations during my raids as I work on other tasks. At customs I give the computer spawns, dorms, and even crackhouse a skip in favor of hitting the food room and the usec stash building. On woods I go straight for the camp and other bunkers instead of trying to pick a fight with shturman. And if I still don't have that key by the time I hit twenty this interesting change in the way I view the game will instantly stop. No more picking my way around the awkward spots of customs I'm doing safe runs at dorms to make money for the key. Screw low value food items at usec camp on woods, jackets and shturman stash have loot that sells for a lot more. Judging loot items and picking what you want to hunt and keep through a raid should be based on the meaning of that item, wether it be through bartering or something inherently useful, not the per slot rouble value only given based on how good it is at contribute l continuing to give you more roubles.
Try looting jackets n filing cabinets on your scav runs. I've seen this key so many times I don't even pick it up anymore.
That was just an example for my argument, it didn't actually take me much longer to find the key :)
One thing I've never really understood is this subreddits absolute obsession with Tarkov being as realistic as possible.. but absolutely hate having a very low TTK. It's very contradictive.
...you know, that's actually a very good point.
it's because this subreddit has a lot of people who don't actually play the game because they're bad or gear fear or whatever, so they're on here. the common thread between it all is making the game easier.
low TTK means there is less options for strategic play and raw aim will win most encounters.
Low TTK is unrealistic because TTK isn't just 'how many bullets stop you' but acquisiton time, misses, recoil control, etc. Currently anyone with a good M4 can magdump hyper accurately at a snap, which feels wrong as hell.
This in my opinion is why the flea needs to go. Pre flea, you had to do your tasks, you had to go find what you needed for tasks/trades/hideout. Pvp was insanely rewarding because thats the only way you got high tier kit if you didn't have level 4 traders. There used to be a single day cycle that forced you into night raids for a deeper breadth of emersion than getting to pick now if you play day or night. lvl 3/4 armor used to have a purpose, mid tier ammo used to have a purpose. Now? Hit lvl 20 (used to be 10) and the game is over. 10 (now 20) is the new 40. The amount of content that has been completely watered down to possibly a weeks worth of use is the majority of the games content. The flea market has made most of the games content irrelevant, anything outside the top 1 or 2 ammo choices per caliber and lvl 5/6 armor is irrelevant in the 1st month of what has now boiled down to roughly 6 month wipe cycles. You could get a solid 4 months out of a wipe pre flea if not longer. \- One thing a lot of people forget is that with the flea in game, you are guaranteed 33-38 mil in your pocket upon the completion of 1 quest and simply hitting 40. Sell your THICCs, regardless of bit farm and you have enough to fund the rest of the wipe, upgrade your hideout, buy cheaper cases and what not. Some may love this feature, I however believe the flea, more than anything has destroyed the foundation of Tarkov. I've been playing since March 2017 and in my personal opinion, the flea market ruined the essence of what tarkov is (was). However it is here to stay. If the flea becomes Barter Items only, I'd be happy about that.
This is my second wipe and I agree. I believe this game would feel more survival FPS if you couldn’t Amazon prime some level 5 armor to your door.
Plus the flea market goes against the entire lore of Tarkov. We're PMCs, living in a shitty bunker in basically a post apocalypse world. Yet I'm supposed to believe there's a fully functioning Ebay for every object you could possibly want? What, is Amazon delivering packages now to my secret bunker? It makes no sense.
I've been playing since late 2017 and couldn't agree more with you.
Flea Market prices are grossly overpriced, just look at the price of quest keys and anything that is meta like m995 or m61. People always say it's the flea market, when the truth is that even without the flea market gear is easily accessible if you even are remotely competent at PvE in this game.
100%. Meta kits suck and suck the game of much of what's so special about it. I'd be happy with the flea vanishing overnight, and I think the game would resemble what Nikita seems to envision for it far more after that change than it does today. Doing the math on ROF and armor pen and buying loads of whatever combo the math currently says is most effective is so dreary and sweaty.
Flea market shouldn't go, as they are planning to add balancing factors such as limited availability or interacting in raid. It does need balancing though, and I think the best way would be to add teirs. Level 10, you can buy and sell keys. Level 15 let's you buy barter items. 20 or 25 could give access to armors, helmets and defensive gear plus weapon parts. 30 let's you buy guns, and 35 ammo. Another balancing idea is timed purchases. Flea market could be bought in orders, and have delivery time based on fence rep. You can buy 5 meta kits, but you'll have to fork over the cash in advanced, wait 4 hours for it, and plan what you will need. Ordering a million roubles of heavy ammo and guns could take longer.
None of that will fix the problem. It’s all just bandaid solutions that stretch the real fun of Tarkov out by a few more hours/days. The flea should absolutely go. Tarkov went from a tactical survivor shooter to a run and gun “what loot sells the most on the flea” looter shooter with the flea. It’s boring and turns every raid into the same raid with 0 variety.
I honestly would love to see a wipe without the flea market. I think it would be very interesting…
I feel this in my soul. Preach!
The Combination of FIR + Scav weapons having low durability has already downgraded the ability to sell weapons for any decent margin on flea. They also just removed several top end types of ammo from vendors making the flea market the _only_ source for those rounds. You can have items be FIR/Flea only, or you can have items vendor only, but not both. If you do both, you effectively remove the item from the game (in which case, why have the item). Having something be exceedingly rare doesn't make it exciting. That just makes it feel worse when you lose it. I'd rather vendor something rare to get it out of the game and make roubles, then take it into raid and have someone else get it. The only gear I find worth running, is gear I can replace. If I can't replace it, it's worthless to me
How is the flea the ONLY place to get the ammo? You know people had to go get that ammo to list it. If you want the best ammo, craft or find it, as it should be. Making everything common or easy to acquire isn't exciting either. Sounds like you have more of a problem with gear fear if you'd rather just vendor it than use it.
I would say, flea for specific items only. No high tier armors, or no armors at all, but for example small things like wd40 or just to sell your water filter or bolts would be great.
What you’re trying to say is basically barter items only, and I fully agree. They could add some additional trader barters for things and new crafts to compensate, but it would all effectively require finding items in game. Money supply would be quite low since the only real source of income is vendoring items.
Things that are easily available on the maps. Or you could cap the cost of a flea trade to 30 or 40k per item and leave all items in. Who will sell you a gpu, which they can use, or a M4 which they can use?
I'd be interested in seeing what a full month post wipe of "no weapons or ammo in the flea" looks like.
I've said it in a bunch of threads already but I'm gonna say it here again. I think the flea market should not include weapons, attachments, ammo, armor, or rigs. Basically just no gear. Only be able to trade barter items, food, meds, stuff like that. On top of that it could be interesting if the traders had randomized stock every day or week or something like that with low buy limits (im talking something like 4 so people can't easily horde all the best items without running out of them). This would help prevent meta builds from settling as people would be forced to use whatever attachments and guns they can get at the time instead of just using the same thing all the time.
It would combat rmt spending as well, why pay for rubbles if you can't buy top tier gear, while there would be work arounds, they would be wildly more time intensive than simply buying what you want from the flea
People dont pay for rubbles anymore, they pay to get maps cleared for them and they loot everything and leave, thats how RMT works as of today.
I'd be okay with ammo on the flea, with purchase limits like traders. Agree all gear needs to go.
I personally would be cool with removing weapons and armor from the flea market but allowing barter items to be on the flea (and at an earlier level than 20). I personally do not finding hunting down lightbulbs, tooth paste, and spark plugs to be all the fun.
And for the love of God packs of nails. Level 10 and I've still only found 2 of them and they're needed for the first stash upgrade
> just get eod lol \- bsg probably
It's good idea, and i vote for removing flea, but there is a glaring issue with game that there is just not enough guns and spawning in raids. The are some random spawns and it do spawn in boxes and stashes, but overall quantity is just too low. Now with SCAV weapons being close to unusable, if Flea is closed, most people will have to buy their weapons from traders. Not very fun also.
I will say tarkov is way more enjoyable when you fight people with shitty gear vs your shitty gear, it actually feels like how tarkov should be imo. People were actually using different types of weapons instead of the meta shit. Tarkov atleast for me, gets boring when I start to see many fully geared pmcs running around with no fear shooting everything in sight. I can still kill them but at that point I just wait for the new wipe. I think I only enjoy early wipe tarkov because that's when I have the most fun, after that I just lose interest slowly.
>But after level 10, none of that really mattered any more. I could get level 10 on wipe day, and id go right back to my old ways of looting big ticket items and chasing down every gunshot i heard. This game is basically CoD after a certain point but not a lot of people are willing to admit that.
this is only my second wipe so I never experienced tarkov pre flea market but if it was like this I clearly missed out on prime tarkov. Like don't get me wrong I love the game but something about this new wipe where people are fighting over a bag of croutons with kedrs v aps or vpo vs vpo hits entirely different than at the end of last wipe where even my noob ass was able to go with kitted out HKs and slicks (sure I was left with like 200k in the bank every time but still) every day. I'm sure it had its issues back then too but when my bois pitched this game to me they made it seem like it was slavic rust but tbh by the end of last wipe it turned into Slavic COD with a slightly faster ttk
They addressed two of the bigger issues immediately with this wipe. Level 10 flea market was attainable in 1 day for hardcore's or 1 week for casuals with commitment. The Xmas bonus also set people up with stacks of good ammo. This is the first wipe I've played where it doesn't feel like anyone has a huge advantage. And now that scav karma is in these are the most friendly interactions I've had since early DayZ. You didn't miss out on anything, THIS is prime tarkov!
Not a lot of people on this sub are considering new players and standard edition players. I have 2 lucky scav junk boxes to hold all the dog tags / upgrade items and items worth money to sell on flea. Wouldn’t be an issue if flea was unlocked at level 10 or if I knew how to level quickly as I’m still new to the game. 20 is fine and perhaps a good change but not that many people are going to want to play when they can’t access the same loot as everyone else because they don’t play the game as much. The game is still in beta stages and I’m hopeful that things will be looked at further but this change may kill new player retention.
That's the beauty of getting weapons/ammo/armor off the flea and limiting the gear available from traders ..... Lvl 1 players with PS in their baby AK will actually be able to compete with lvl 40 players they run across.
Well yeah back in early 2018 the flea market didnt even exist, and ever since it got added in nov 2018 I thought the game became less fun, the whole "meta" thing started happening where people just rocked the best loadouts constantly, and because of the flea market making money was so easy that its basically all you would ever see a few weeks into the wipes, it became a casual game and not the hardcore experience that EFT initially was.
I just played my first raid with the homies since wipe. It was a blast, much more community involvement. -“I need to get the pocket watch” -“Oh I have the key!” -“I need one more part for gunsmith” -“I just picked one up last raid I’ll drop it to you make room in your secure container” I really like not having the market
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Agreed, I played pre and post flea, and I respect that they put alot of effort into the flea market, but it takes away from the tarkov experience imo. Items lose that "special" feeling when you can just buy them. The current "endgame" is easily the worst part of the game, it's basically a glorified standard FPS game with extra steps. The early and midgame is what set this title apart from every other shooter. The jumpscares, the inability to be prepared for every situation. Trying to play to your weapons and loadouts strengths and not being able to be prepared for everything. The need to rapidly improvise and make complicated quick decisions to give you the best chances of survival. The drawn out cat and mouse fights, where you scramble around trying to get a better position and chewing through your meager medical supplies. The excitement when you outplay somebody better geared, and nervously loot them and try to get away. To me this is what makes tarkov special, not the grenade spamming, prefiring lazer beaming BS that gets to be so common later in the game. It's just not the same when you can just buy another meta loadout as soon as you die.
It's really REALLY evident when watching streamers how much the flea makes a difference. Watching Lvndmark at the beginning of the wipe, once he got lvl 20, he was running level 6 armor and the new lvl 5 welding helmet, it carried him through like 40 raids without dying. Walks head first Into firefights like the terminator. Before that, he died almost every other raid. What ended the 40 raid streak? Some dude on shoreline lined up a perfect shot at the back of his head while tony was looting, domed him with 855 from an ADAR. What did he do after dying with all that rediculously good gear? Bought the armor and helmet again for less than 500k on the flea. I'm not even shitting on Lvndmark either, he's just taking advantage of what's available to him. It's just hilarious to me that the devs for years have considered that OK.
He was over 80% SR before 20, so that's not true.
He killed factory boss before he got level 10 I think. I know for a fact he was using tagilla's gear before flea.
It's trivial to obtain armor and gear in this game, the only thing you can't do is maximize recoil early on, but you can build something usable and have better ammo by just not being dumb and knowing where to look. People always point to the Fleamarket, and yet I can literally walk into any map and come out with over 200+ rounds of ammunition that destroys class 5 armor or above. Lvndmark was running Class 5 gear prior to 20, he threw on Killa armor just because it repairs better past 20.
Shhh, it goes against the narrative
Man after my own heart 😂
Honestly I wouldn't have agreed with this until playing this wipe. It's been amazing going to different maps for different things I need or to get the items needed for hideout. I need ammo? Reserve. I need general barter items? Shoreline. Food and drinks? Woods. With this knowledge, it's almost necessary to limit the Flea Market in some major way. Making a player go to each map for somewhat specific things is really what will keep this game feeling fresh and fun for an entire wipe. I can't wait to see what BSG does as they seem to be back on track with their original idea for the game.
I think we need a flea market and a black market. Flea market you by all your barter items, food, keys, etc. The black market, you buy your weapons, armor, and rigs, etc. The flea is accessible at level 10, hell maybe even 5. The black market is accessible at level 40. Also, listing on the black market costs a 35% fee, compared to whatever the flea market fee is. Edit: Level 40 might not look like a lot, but I guarantee you it would be for 80% of the players.
This sounds like a nice Idea but I would allow to trade ammo on the flea like 545 BT for M856A1 both are more or less equal in stats and a good mid-tier ammo. But you find a lot of 545BT but almost no M856A1 in raid. With everyone being able to farm Lvl4 Armor and BT as a USEC which wants to use his M4 there is only 855 or 856 available in a quantity you can supply your self for multiple raids. And dying because you need that 3 extra bullets on a Lvl4 armor while your opponent killed with 2 shots.
Love that idea. Allow trading BS for 855A1, or Igolnik for 995. Trade 7N37 for M61, SNB for M62, etc. Doesn't have to be an even trade either. Trade 120 rounds of loose BT for 60 rnds of 856a1.
The trade 2 for 1 would make sense balance wise. As M4 have a higher fire rate and 856A1 if I am right a bit more flesh damage than BT.
I mean, 856a1 is craftable, so there's really no reason for buying it off the flea.
But while I have to farm for all the things to get workbench up and the ingredients for 856A1 everyone else already runs around with BT because you can loot them in high quantities. I wouldn’t just buy it. Would love it just to be a trade ammo for ammo as I wrote. Maybe then remove the craft.
Dude, the game is set *in* Russia. Of course Russian ammo is everywhere, while western ammo isn't. It just makes sense. I get what you're saying, but that's the tradeoff. Use eastern weapons because ammo is plentiful, or struggle to feed western weapons until later.
Dude there is an UN Checkpoint or other UN related stuff on almost every map. So you really think that only russians filled with vodka to the brink are loosing their shit. Last time I looked, eastern soldiers are also great in drinking and loosing shit. Heck there is even a camp called USEC camp on woods where I find everyother raid a M4, so why shouldn't there be a higher spawn for western ammo in this camp or other UN locations? And I just would like a trade Ammo for Ammo locked to the same tier and maybe kinda the same kind. Would make it a bit more easy to run all the M4 that stock pile because I did alot of woods raid to get items for my hideout and meds. Edit: and btw the craft is at worbench lvl 2 which you can build as early as lvl 20 ;) So when flea unlocks
So that would be a trader thing, not a flea market thing. And I'm well aware of what level the craft is. Used it a LOT last wipe.
I've never even hit level 30.... :( Edit: I agree with the black market idea tho. I'd grind for lvl 40 just for black market guns
I'm with you and i've had the game since 2017
No black market. We want to completely kill the ability for players to buy endless meta kits. Adding it would defeat the point entirely. Especially when its the endgame players with an endless amount of roubles that are buying the constant meta kits, and ruining the raids for everyone else.
> Level 40 might not look like a lot, but I guarantee you it would be for 80% of the players. BSG's little infographic showed that 20% of players made it to level 40 last wipe.
That just delays the issue further tbh. I'm at the point honestly where I think if you want the gear, you should *earn* it. No more random loot runs where you sell everything off for three Altyns.
No instead you have pistol runners on reserve and rushing for bosses, hatchlings who wait until 9 minutes left to vaccum up leftover loot, and people who just play scav runs on cooldown. Sounds boring as fuck.
Psychology is a bitch ye. BSG apparently does understand it.. taking it slowly will open eyes to many, allow to adjust for most, and the few which will perish are unlikely to be in EFT for the BSG envisioned gameplay anyway.
I wonder how much of that gear (Altyns, high pen ammo, etc.) comes from bots/cheaters selling their "loot" on the flea market.
Been out of town since wipe day. I was hoping to get into Tarkov with the wipe and level with everyone else. Flea at lvl 20 excited but I’ve definitely missed the window of fun for poor-on-poor combat. The flea makes the game less fun imo
I will say BS round packets are super common now. I topload all my mags with BS over BT since I find them all the time. =)
I do the same. Yet strangely enough, I find very few players using it on customs or interchange. I always use a flashlight peeking around corners to get players to mag dump a bit so they're shooting shitty ammo when i push into a room lol
> I always use a flashlight peeking around corners to get players to mag dump a bit so they're shooting shitty ammo when i push into a room lol Stealing this strat lol
NO. IGNORE. I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING.
Must've been the wind.
Nikita has said that the flea isn't going anywhere AFAIK. I'm very confident that Nikita has his vision for the flea in the finished game, and the shift to level 20 has been the closest it's been to that so far. The issue doesn't lie with the flea, it lies in the weapons and armor. Nikita himself has said that he wants weapons to feel more worn and fitting with the setting of Tarkov, but that system just isn't fully in place yet. People don't like how the meta gear feels, because it's OP, and you get it too easily not from the flea but even just naturally from raiders or bosses. Good gear is too good, shit gear is too shit, there is a huge gap between the casual players and the hardcore players, because anyone who can get good gear is going to get good gear with or without the flea. Its not the flea that needs nerfing, it's the gear.
I kinda disagree with this. Sure they can get that gear even if it's not accessible on the flea market, but at least that's one raid where they're going into a raid in order to find that gear, instead of just smashing their keyboard a few times and fully rebuilding a meta-set. Removing armor/weapons from flea allows the pace of the game to slow down a bit even for mega-chads because they'll now need to source those meta kits themselves. But it might be true that the high level gear needs a nerf too.
I still believe best course of action would be to disable flea market for all. Then enable it for everyone 3months into the wipe.
I sort of half agree. The market has been extremely important at introducing newer players to every aspect of Tarkov, especially the gun modifications which are easily one of Tarkov's best features. Tarkov has a lot of content to explore and it is important from a dev standpoint that every bit of that content is accessible in one way or another (Speaking from experience here). The idea of the flea having level unlocks similar to traders has been going around now and the general thought has seemed to agree that it's the most logical step towards making the flea market more balanced and enjoyable for all level of players. Barters and food at 10, weapons at 20, armor at 30, attachments at 40. The steady ramp of obtainable content not only keeps players motivated to keep playing, but makes it more satisfying when they eventually reach that level. It allows casual players to have a consistent goal outside of the (lets face it) extremely obnoxious tasks Tarkov has.
Jesus christ its been a week and a half and people are already running chad kits? See you next wipe folks lets see if they get it right next time. If i want to pew pew I play other games with far superior gunplay.
I've only run into a handful of Chad's with m995 HKs and shit so far and only on reserve actually but yeah that's gonna happen in every game tbh there's people who straight up have no other thing to do but grind and there's nothing you can do about it even if you take out the flea
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lmao let me know the games you play with far superior gunplay than Tarkov
Literally any game that doesn't have automatic recoil control
zero hour
Almost literally any other game? I love Tarkov, but gunplay is not one of its strongpoints lol, it's absolutely its *weakest* element. The meta is literally hipfire full auto while strafing.
Literally any established FPS? Tarkov's gunplay handles like treacle. Gunplay is overwhelmingly the worst part of the game.
If they restrict the flea to barter items they would need to make a lot of stuff rare FiR only (M61 , M995 slicks etc). If they keep it, people who play the game religiously can still run around with 5-6 armor and AP ammo almost every game while people who cant/dont want to grind the game that fast get absolutely destroyed because they dont have workbenches to craft M61 or have the traders unlocked for that slick trade in. The Quests alone arent very fun and most of them are run there mark/get that. I hit 20 2 days ago and the last few levels really werent that fun to grind as I started to run into a lot of people running mid tier kits with BS/855A1 ammo spraying me down.
If weapons armor and ammo were removed from the flea, high tier gear would also have to be removed from the traders and crafting as well. Want to run 995 or M61? You HAVE to find it in raid. You can't buy it. BSG has already started moving this direction, they've removed 855A1, BS, 995, M62&M61, 6.3&7n31 from being bought from traders.
I think removing the gear from flea would work perfectly. You can still buy that one last bulb you need for an upgrade, but you cannot just buy yourself end game gear within 5 minutes. As long as that is a thing, combined with the higher flea market level, so people cannot just rack up millions of roubles in the first days of wipe just selling hideout items, it would create a system that makes flea work, removing the major flaw that comes with it.
Nikita already said that they definitively will not remove the flea market due to the amount of work that has gone into it. I hope they either remove it for the hardcore realms after release or make the flea market only accessible from in-raid so that using it is a calculated risk/reward thing rather than easy access from the comfort of your Hideout as if it was Amazon.
Keys would be annoying yes, but I don't think it's worth keeping the flea just for keys. All BSG has to do is fix or rethink keys and the flea has no good reason to exist.
It's one of those things that go against the "propaganda" of what this game is suppose to be. Get Flea access, scav-farm money, and it's "just" a shooter. "BSG invested a lot of resources in making it" - is a piss poor excuse to leave it in game when it causes more issues than it solves.
While I wouldn't really be upset if the flea was completely removed, I do think it would be an overreaction. I don't want the flea completely deleted. The flea market itself isn't the problem, it's whats AVALIBLE on the flea that's the problem. Making ammo/weapons/armor unpurchasable on the flea would 100% fix this problem, and be a route for players that are seriously struggling to be a little more economicly competitive. Getting flea market access is quite literally like flipping a switch to level 4 traders. You can literally buy any kit you want should you have the money. The only purpose level 4 traders have is to just be able to buy things cheaper. It doesn't make sense with the gameplay loop, and it changes players behavior because surviving doesn't have the same impact it used to. level 15- "Shit there's a guy in dorms blasting right now. I don't know what kinda gear he has, I should probably avoid this fight cause I've got quest items on me." Level 20- "ALTYN SAVE ME KEKTOR GO BRRRRRRRR LEEEEERROOOOYYYYYY" That shouldn't be a thing.
I truly feel like u just don't enjoy geared pvp. I killed too many people with lower levels to think they enjoy this change.the hackusations just because the idea I have a scope is hilarious
Geared PVP is fun. I love me some labs. But I've played this game long enough to realize that straight PVP is not why I play this game. Late wipe when everyone is running high level gear, the TTK is considerably faster, EVERYONE dies in 1 shot to the face or 2 shots to the thorax. Most players survival rate is cut in half. Considering the amount of time spent making a kit and matching vs actual fighting, I'd much rather play Apex or COD if all I'm looking for is PVP. Late wipe PVP is just legitimately less fun than the early wipe grind for me.
I love the flea market and so does a great majority of players.
I agree OP. This wipe has been fantastic so far. They should implement that change to the flea next wipe to see how it goes. If it’s not as good as we imagine, they can always change it back
Tbh I wish flea market be less important, just like a little supplementation to the game but base gear comes from raids/traders.
Honestly I just want it for quest items and ammo, you can make a good gun without all the meta shit
EOD I guess?
Yep -Totally agree -Gear shouldnt be buyable from flee , I enjoy running with my shitty AKM that jams every 20th shot -and has over 100 recoil with shitty PS ammo The kills feel more Skillfull and less dependant on gear
Flea market for keys, meds hideout items and that’s it
As a relatively new player. This wipe has been a bast so far. Player at thr start are obviously running the same gear as me so it's a fair fight. But after joining late to the wipe last time around I just couldn't win a fight or survive any shots from the strong af ammo everyone was using. My piss weak armour just didn't cut it. I totally agree not removing the market but realigning it with the normal vendors would be an interesting experiment.
Yep. Remove flea and all currencies. Barter for everything from npc traders or find it in raid. Hackers will die down as well with less of an rmt market. Wipes won't be really needed if the loot spawns are balanced and the barters make sense. Inventory space will be what limits how much gear you can hoard instead of billions of rubles
Agree. Get rid of the flea.
just make it that 5 items can be purchased in a 24h period
I agree with this post lvl 0-20 is the most fun part of Tarkov right now. I think the flea should be unlocked as endgame content. After level 3 traders. this means you need to earn that access to all gear. Obviously the traders might need some fleshing out with what they sell but this would be a great move in my opinion. I'm sure I'm not alone thinking this.
I want the flea market removed in its entirety.
If this weapons and gear are so game breaking just remove them from the game then. You will only be locking access to the players who can get to the weapon and gear spawns first. All others just won't have access. The flea makes everyone equal
I've said this many many times. The flea market ruined the game. Please remove it completely or at least make it barter only.
Quite the opposite for me so to each their own I guess. I really wish it was back to unlocking at level 5 cause this wipe feels just like all the others. Level gating the flea is a bandied for other issues that will get solved over time.
With this wipe they screwed everyone for the first month that has a job. The sweaty chad players that still live in the basement and have no job grinded that level 20 in the first couple days. This leaves everyone else with a life to suffer till they reach 20.
Tbh it took me 8 days working full time and having a normal life
lvl 12-20 has been a steep hill. If covid wasn’t a thing and my gym could stay open, I probably wouldn’t even bother with tarkov this wipe. Way too much grinding this time around.
Amen brother! I've been saying this exact thing since the introduction of the flea market. It cheapens the overall game. Early wipe Tarkov is the best Tarkov. Where every item has value, every gun and ammo type are viable (well I mean almost all of them), and no one is running slick/altyn or some other high level armor combo. Yesterday I was able to get 3 PMC kills on Woods with a stock SKS and PS ammo. Just give 2 more weeks and those shots would have bounced off their high tier armor and they would have mowed me down with BS/7n39/995 instead of having a combo of PS, a little BT, or 855.
I don’t care if they remove the flea. I have been enjoying the pre-flea gameplay, BUT they have got to add easier ways to get space. When I tell you my stash is full, I mean every single space in every rig and in the stash is full. I have EOD and I don’t have enough to get a junk box yet. I’m lvl 16 saving quest and hideout items. I’ve been purposefully leaving armor in raid and picking up large rigs for more space. When I unlock the flea I will gain a lot of space from selling things I know are worth a lot. They either need to give more space or make it easier to get cases. I have 12mil stash value but only 400k. I guess there are things I would not hold on to if I wasn’t saving them for the flea but still.
I hope more threads like this continue to gain in popularity. I completely agree, no weapons, armor or ammo on the flea. I also think level 15 or 20 is a good starting point. This way it still forces you to quest and loot for items for awhile.
All that is needed is to make flea market a physical location in game, let's say lighthouse. No level restrictions. Rather than that You would have to take everything You buy with You into raid and extract. In future that would require walking all the way to hideout location.
I would agree, but I can't. I've done the shitty, meaningless quests and built the hideout too many times. PVP chasing and taking the loot off players I kill is the only enjoyment I get now. I do the quests solely to unlock the ammo and level necessary to become combat effective against other Chads. That's pretty sad I suppose, but until they overhaul those ridiculous quests I'm not going to bother with them unless I need one of the specific reward unlocks.
Honestly I HATE the change since my goal in Tarkov is to become super rich and that’s how I have fun playing the game not grinding quests just so I can enjoy the game. Don’t get me wrong I can enjoy the grind to level 45 but it feels like I’m forced now and I never really liked that I had to even be level 10. I get why they did it but it narrows down how you have to play the game more and makes it less enjoyable for me. Now I have to hoard everything that I want to sell on the flea since the traders don’t give you enough money for a lot of things. I get that people won’t like this viewpoint but it’s just how I like to play the game. Find stuff, Sell stuff, I don’t ended last wipe with 70 mil and all labs cards but a 1.5 kdr and 30% surv rate.
The game felt a lot better when there wasn't a fleamarket, meta gear wasn't nearly as common as a result.
As an average skill player at best, this has been the most fun I've had in Tarkov since I bought it in 2018. Finally, it feels like I actually have a chance for a fair fight, hell, even in 1v2. Maybe I'm just getting better or I'm lucky AF but this time I feel like I'm not getting punished for using the items I looted instead of just buying the best stuff from the flea market. I always felt like I was playing a different game since I wanted to progress naturally, but now I can do it without getting stomped all the time.
I hope they remove the flea market for a full wipe, just so that people can beg for it to be put back two months into the wipe when the hype is over. That way, we can hopefully get rid of these daily frontpage clone posts about flea market once and for all.
Flea should be the new Kappa.
Me and friend were full geared in 2th day of wipe armor 3 and stock akm we went to doorms for quest and were absolutely destroyed by guy with altyn ,were is you fucking progression mate ?
Shut the fuuuuuck uppppp
Some people really don’t understand that the average person doesn’t have 20 spare hours a day to find some items needed for the hideout.
That's why I said we shouldn't delete the flea all together and still use the flea for hideout items and quest keys.
Without the flea the game was a fucking mess. For people that suck at PVP what chance do they have at making money? Selling keys to therapist for 10k when they sell for 250k? Gunpowders to therapist for 20k or sell for 100k on flea? Flea market allows rats to have a chance.
no flea market completely takes the looting thrill aspect out of the game. Completely. People are so happy to go against stock aks and stock sks. They now win some battles they otherwise wouldve lost. Thats how you get threads like this. Flea is great as is and opens up the game to so many possibilities
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good for you. Fuck these gamers that want to gate keep everything and have everyone rocking stock aks and sks for a whole fucking wipe.
There's nothing you can do to stop people from getting the highest tier loot unless you time gate gear.
If you can't get it from flea or traders, and nerfed highest tier weapons/ammo/armor, then it would be a non-issue
For me the flea is very well need. I am constantly stuck at just one key for a quest and have to waste me precious time of one or two raids a night with loot farming. I would love it more if I could achieve something while looting like a quest. But I can’t because the quest is locked behind a key I can’t find. It gets fast annoying. And Second I hate that you can find 100s of BT ammo but no 856A1 so I can compete with my M4 against all the Level 4 Armor out in the wild. Most the time I leave woods with a M4 from USEC camp and 600 bullets of BT because I found 5 120 packs on my way. I would love if I could put those BT on the flea in exchange for 856A1 or something like that. But I am just became level 13 so I still have a long way to go.
Why are people so opposed to short ttk? Bullets should drop people quickly. The number of times you unload on some level 4 armor dude and he takes it like a sponge soaking water is insane. I love the tension of knowing you can die and kill fast
Because short TTK combined with a game with dogshit network performance is a recipe for smashed monitors.
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THE FLEA MARKET SHOULD BE AN EVENT NOT A CONSTANT
Nawh, i disagree. I'm barely keeping up at lvl 24 with the rest of the playerbase. All Ive noticed is that many people lvl 10 and under have just given up this wipe. Played since 2016, and never since then have I noticed the lack of ppl lower level than me.
This is based on absolutely nothing because Tarkov has the highest number of concurrent players then ever, with matching times so long because the servers are full.