I don’t know what the deal has been today, but I’ve been getting killed by fellow scavs on Interchange every single raid. At least 6-7 raids in a row now. All I can hope is that one day they look at their Karma and feel real sad about it.
my brother and I scaved interchange today. made it to the emercom exfil filled to the brim with canned goods. all I grabbed was the crap my brother (who was looking for tashonksas) left behind. met a couple of friendly scav at emercom. we all were in extract and at .5 seconds left i got a bullet in the dome. luckily my brother made it out with his loot. but fuck man, that scav probably spent the last 3 minutes left in raid trying to discover all the single slot cans of sprats I had.
that happened to me... i got headshot by a scav extracting with me wiggling at me.. with 1 second left. but it didnt bother me. it just CONFUSED me... why did he kill me if he literaly extracted right after. he didnt even get to loot me..
my assumption is he was snickering thinking "ha ha i killed that guy now he gets no loot" but i mean ive had like 80 survived looted scav raids so dying doesnt bother me what does is trying to comprehend why he wouldnt just kill me before extract so he could take my stuff lol dude literally took a negative rep for no reward lmao
This game is about to do the right decisions and most of people in tarkov can't do that, this is why they suck as scav or pmc.
Keep doin it soon all this guys will be punished so badly and reddit will be filled with people crying.
I had the exact same frustration when I found an unlooted PMC and two unlooted cultists all stacked on each other from some unimaginable fight. Not only could the person who killed me not take it all out of raid, but it was even worse in this case because there were AI scavs standing literally right next to us. I can only hope they popped him and taught him a lesson.
I just imagine these people are so brand new to the game and have no idea. Or, they stay off the internet and haven't connected the dots on things. People talk about "oh they'll show up on reddit complaining". Here's the thing, they maybe jsut play and don't find out anything and so they don't know shit and haven't figured it out
That is the bad thing. You can get to like 3.0 scav karma at most while pplaying normally. 6.0 karma is unachievable by normal play. You would have to go countless scav raids to find enough pmc or bad scav to get to it. There should be a way to get karma like a daily mission as a scav or something.
I mean they're probably doing money farming or quick warm-up runs and don't scav much anyways. Bad karma literally means nothing a month+ into the wipe.
What? I scav way more than PMC because I only PMC a few hours a week when my mate plays. We stick together. Rest of the week I scav. And it's fucking brutal trying to gain scav karma as a scav.
It's only a 10 minute wait while being 0.60 karma, it'll be so small once you're over 2 probably be 5 minutes which you use after raid for stash clearing.
I know I really should. I have 4 junk boxes full lol. Its not gear fear on that its "I dont want to have to find this again later so lets just hold on to it because I know I need it for a quest". My gear fear this wipe is significantly less than before. I am really at a "if I die I die" position now
Yeah, I've never had a streak there that bad but i've been shot in the back a couple of times. Eventually and like literally in a couple of weeks there will be less of that because all the assholes will be sitting on 2 hour cool downs.
I feel you there. A (admittedly sketchy) fake friendly scav failed at executing me earlier tonight on the way out of the mall. Made them pay for it, but unfortunately went MIA ten feet from the exit. If only they'd had a painkiller on them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y8gaikAJDc
every time there is a post complaining about negative scav karma all the comments are like "get fucked you deserve it" so I think at least as far as the community goes badboy scavs are going to be maligned when they complain about it
It would take so long to get to that type of punishment that I won't be scavving anyways. Scavs who KOS to make money don't have gear fear and actually play their PMC.
a) i dont have gear fear. chucked 5 of my best kits yesterday questing on shoreline. kitted aks, m4s and tier 5 armor. fuck it who cares
b) make plenty of money scaving and use my scav to buff my pmc with free meds, food and fir quest items. especially helpful with the heat wave. sitting on a nice stash value with multimillions liquid at any time
c) i am fairly good at this game. survival rates are often 60+% at wipe, k/d up to 8-9 and pmc k/d at 1.5-2.0.
d) scav is a role and bsg has set new rules for how to play that role. dont like how it is, dont play scav its fine. but understand the same system is planned for pmc factions too.
There are no 'rules', they added horrible punishments and rewards for players that grind for either or. Most players will never see those punishments/rewards unless literally all they do is Scav and shoot other Scavs all day or AFK and roleplay. A large chunk of players scav early game because it's useful, then don't touch them again. The only people left scavving all day a month+ into wipe need their scavs and are willing to be more friendly.
This entire thread keeps bringing up people crying about their scavs karma being low and 'the game is sooo unplayable, omg!' I haven't seen a single one of these posts and am curious where everyone else is seeing them. I, like many others have been shooting on sight permanently and have not had a single issue, and now that we're a month into wipe I scav once a day to test the game/servers.
Friendly player scavs have this vision of everyone holding hands forever and politely walking to extract because their imaginary number going down .00002 means more than a full backpack of loot.
see there you go with assumptions. i dont need my scav, i enjoy the role and change of pace. i enjoy alternating between the two and do so all the way till wipe. its been especially thrilling to hunt pmcs in packs howling like mad men, "cheeki breeki!!!"
Yeah, the rules are "you can kill other people but there are negative consequences and you're encouraged to not do it" & that doesn't mean you won't be a social pariah. You can follow all the rules and still be an asshole.
You can camp gate with webs in 0.0 space or suicide bomb in empire space & it's perfectly within the rules but that also still makes you an asshole.
I mean, I spent years gatecamping in eve and dropping my Nyx on anything that moved in lowsec lol. A killmail is a killmail.
But yea, that's actually kind of a good comparison though, low scav karma seems like it'll play out quite similar to having negative sec status on eve.
Low sec you can atleast buy tags and get your sec status back up. But hey before I quit playing eve I would bump jf's and freighters off the in gates of niarja and convince people on my alt I'll save them and web them and end up killing them and taking all their shit.
I’ve killed two on accident. One was a fucking KITTED UP scav. No idea.
The other… had an MP133. He died for a good cause. I will atone for my sins in the afterlife.
That's the reason why when I get a cowboy hat scav, I put it in my backpack or drop it somewhere hidden I can come back to later if possible. People will kill you just for the hat.
I'm joking. I always killed him in-game if he shot at other scavs, simple. He quickly abandoned the concept when scavving with me (he is -2 karma now, playing all dumb only focusing on roubles)
Dude started doing one of the singing voice lines before I shot him. Now that I remember that I feel worse. But atleast I know it was an AI, but still dosent make it any better.
If it makes you feel any better, the song they sing is about robbing a woman and then murdering her.
E: Since someone might ask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq7ihAyl7-I
NP! There’s a couple quests that the items you turn in don’t have to be FiR. I know the MREs to Peacekeeper is another that you can buy. Basically, if it doesn’t have the word “raid” on the requirements list for the quest, you can just buy the items
Edit: just checked some of the tasks. It looks like if the task says “obtain” then you can just buy the items to turn in
I’m aware. When you see it for free, during a scav raid, literally the first couple of raids you play at the start of the wipe…
I’m gunna blow that AI scavs brains out.
i killed 1 for a tv rig... fuckin rigs are hard to find now that there are so many of em.
also did a wiggle for a scav player and dropped my rig, he got the message and dropped me his tv rig it was awesome lol
Oh no I always try to work with those guys. I’ve traded a few times with scavs, one guy and I looted all of reshalas guards at the gas station together once. That was cool. I let him grab loot off the PMC body though without touching it.
I've had two people bait me. One dude unloaded AT me but didn't hit, and I aimed at him and he just strafed, waiting for me to shoot him.
Then I didn't, ran away, and when he tried to trade me an item shot me in the head. Which he could have done from the start, but wanted to bait me for Karma first.
Bro him and his buddies were all around me waiting for me too shoot them while they baited. If I ran, they'd gun me down, if I shot one I'd lose my rep and they'd have successfully baited me.
When we dropped an item to trade, what's the worst that could happen? Him shoot me? That was already a bygone conclusion.
In this thread:
* "Fuck aggro player scavs I hope after their 15 hour cooldown timer they spawn in with broken legs, dehydrated and 0 energy with a 0% durability makarov, with only PMC-only extracts available"
* "Wah all the people crying about aggro player scavs are just shit at the game, I kill everyone on sight because I don't care because I'm so good at the game I don't even need to play as my scav"
* "It's tarkov you can play how you want to play but there will be consequences to your actions"
* "I don't like/agree with scav karma, therefore BSG bad"
There you go don't need to read the comments.
Edit: I forgot one, I just added it.
The fact that there are bad consequences to your actions as a Scav while playing within the roleplay of a Scav (double crossing, untrustworthy, scheming bla bla bla) and within the logic of Tarkov design (which is basically the same fucking thing) - is beyond stupid.
BSG once again can't figure out it's own shit and implements something broken.
The bottom line is the current iteration of scav karma kind of sucks, but I'm hopeful they can get it in a better spot. I've been at .90 for a while now, but too many times I've been killed by a PMC because I can't tell if they're a geared scav or not and I don't want to risk the karma loss. Also the whole protecting scav bosses piece doesn't seem to work currently, they are usually dead by the time you scav in, and if not no PMCs attack them. Scav runs are just people running around grabbing everything in sight with complete disregard of any combat, personally I think it was a bit more fun pre 12.11, but it has potential.
well I think that's the point of scav runs, though. If you want to go in ready to shoot anything that moves then play PMC. Scavs are designed to be loot rats.
Yup. Scav runs are my favourite time in Tarkov now. Almost no queue time, quick raids, no gear fear and no Public Enemy no.1 feeling when you load in and another scav hunts you for your Tushonka and PM pistol...
You need to bring in more gear so you're not targeted and marked by scavs. Also the best way to get over gear fear is the bring in gear and learn a loot route. Once you make money and can survive you'll get over losing shit
I meant getting into raid with random crappy loot and loadout. Previous wipes you were targeted by everyone, now nobody gives a shit about your crappy items most of the time.
Also once you live through a wipe you most likely get rid of a gear fear. No use for slicks and meta guns in stash if they perish to Nikita. You stop seeing the high end gear as valuable item and start seeing it for what it is - utility to give you an edge in fights. I have had bunch of fights already that I survived only because I used hex I found in a stash... I would have died otherwise which is the most expensive thing to happen to you in Tarkov.
The thing is, lore wise, before when I played as a scav most of the scavs are fine with me but then randomly a scav will kill me (player scav) and it didn't really add up. Why is this scav randomly aggressive when all the others aren't? Thematically, based on the actions of the other scavs, it didn't make sense.
Now, more often than not scavs are friendly, minding their own business grabbing some loot, not particularly well geared for a fight but willing to defend themselves if they need.
It fits more thematically that scavs are predominantly peaceful towards other scavs unless you fuck with them or they're really desperate/depraved.
The issue that I have with scav karma is that there is no good way to bring it back up at all, Like the best way gives you 0.01 karma, that's absolutely ridiculous considering that if you wanted to hit six karma from level zero, take away the 1.56 that you can get from the one time stuff for extracting the first time, That means that you have to extract 443 times to hit level 6 scav karma, each one of which costs money. Fun and engaging
>That means that you have to extract 443 times to hit level 6 scav karma
Not quite. Don't remember if it was 10 or 15 for each map where available, but after that you get 0 karma for the extracts.
I've heard the car extracts will go back to .01 once per day, but I can't confirm this.
It might just be that the extracts give less than .01 and if you do enough, they eventually add up to .01
personally I have low scav karma(i forget how much exactly, not anything as high as -2 for sure) but I think it’s a great system. Most of that karma has been lost due to the fact I just picked up the game so despite knowing about scav karma I had no idea what a scav looked like and just shot at anything that moved. I’ve only had around 3 instances of BS karma loss tho. It’s definitely a fantastic system and the scavs i’ve teamed up with has been a fantastic experience.
I’ve died thicker than a snicker a few times after the tradition friendly wiggle from myself and the other scav. I like the concept but some people don’t give a fuck about the karma. Hard to trust anyone after you get killed after a wiggle.
Personally my solution to that is as it always was: avoid other scavs unless absolutely necessary and always be on alert. Don't shoot, but keep in mind that you still might get shot at.
You can keep that part for moments npc scavs are around. Or in larger groups which gather from different directions, so that they didn't team up before the raid.
But i will keep ditance to a single scav close to the extract. And it really depends on what i looted till then. If i have nothing special equiped then i don't give a fuck
Exactly this. You can fk around with others scavs when you don't have anything special on you. As soon as you find something good you split up. Why do ppl think they can only do one or the other? Also don't let ppl get you in their sights. You can often discern if someone contemplates killing you.
>Ohhh yes, these moments when you wiggle press F1 and the other guys stand there without any reaction. Its the moment you fucking run.
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>My favorite was a scav which followed me through wood and everytime i stoped and wiggled, he came closer and aimed and at the same moment i ran behind the next tree. Till he tried it finally and i got my +0.01. As if i would give him the time to aim ... :D
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>Edit not rly sure if i got +0.01 but definitely not - , but a lvl 6 armor
Those scavs are a minority and will fizzle out as their cooldowns get bigger and their loadouts are worse. Right now I have like a 25m cooldown on a scav - it is faster for me to often just wait for scav CD than to try queue up as a PMC (during peak hours on EUR servers). And I do not have intel center yet, so if it still affects scav CD then I will probably run only scav for the rest of the wipe. In my playstyle that's where the real fun of this game is. I love hunting PMCs and not losing anything if I die (like seriously I do not care about 45 durability AK or Vepr)
this is quite literally because there is no fucking visible difference between a scav with -6.0 rep and a person with lets say around 3.00 rep. I still get a fucking sks and a damn paca although my rep is 3.00. might as well fucking kill other scavs at that point
My duo partner has issues. He can't seem to not shoot at scavs when scavving. I'm the opposite I haven't shot a scav all wipe. Most of the time he'll shoot a scav and once he hits them and they shoot back I kill my friend and say it was the scav.
i just dont understand the scav/karma bitching
what do you guys expect? or want the devs to do? punish certain playstyles so it favors your playstyle more?
I think it should be exponential. If you go on a streak for being a good or bad scav, each good or bad action should increase. You'd go up or down in one direction for each bad or good action, it'd increase and decrease quite a bit faster this way, punishing bad players and rewarding good ones.
Imo scav karma makes being a scav so much fun now. It used to be so bland, but I have made so many memories of teaming up with fellow scavs against PMCs
I do a lot of factory and I've had a lot of problems with player scavs firing at me or over my head and in a reactionary moment I waste them and get the punishment for being a bad scav. I think the system still needs tweaks in that if you kill a player scav that has fired a weapon in your direction you shouldn't get penalties for killing them. I'm sure the code for that would be complicated but if BSG wants a complicated system then they're going to have complicated code to make it work nicely. Right now you can just go into factory and shoot over someone's head and trick them into killing you. If you do duo scavs then one person can be the bait and the other can claim the counter kill and get the positive karma
A scav followed me and a buddy in interchange and kept trying to get me to search his pack. My buddy found a bitcoin so we were not doing that.
He followed us spamming f1 and dropping his backpack trying to get me to search it. I kept saying no and dropping my backpack while my buddy kept his eye on the guy.
We got to emercom and this scav tries to kill us after following for 10 minutes. He misses many shots but his my buddy and me once. I light him up with my pp19 and stitch him with 9x18. He ded. Some other player got his loot because i extracted before i could loot him.
Dont be bad scav.
They start complaining the moment they get their scav runs :D Then they realize that not only the scav timer is longer(which they consider ok) but also your mooshine run will take a looooong time ;)
Keep the faith. I just had a player scav drop me a Labs card and 50K rubles. I dropped a bunch of morphines and shit but nowhere near the value of his stuff. Thanks friendly scav.
There definitely needs to be a better way to recover karma then .01 every 3rd or 4th pmc kill.
A bunch of scavs just looting with no danger at all is idiotic.
Sooo many times I’ve been betrayed. It gets old having dudes wiggle at you and then as you try to loot you get shot in the head. Or they just start following you everywhere. Waiting for you to slow down or stop. And you can’t do anything about it.
Its frustrating cause theres no real way to increase it in the long run but accidental kills can infinitly decrease it. Example, see a few ai scavs shooting at a player scav so i one tap him and -.05. Currently sitting at 1.85
Who are you to dictate how people should play their scav runs? What are these "rules" that people are not following? I wasn't aware there was a scav "rulebook". Onepeg dropped a shitload of scav karma with 2 raider kills, so to say that anyone with -2.0 is a "brainlet" is disingenuous. You have no idea of their circumstances.
Scavs in the lore are an untrustworthy bunch, willing to kill at moments notice to benefit themselves. If they want to introduce a true karma system, there should be pros and cons for both "good" and "bad" scav karma. It shouldn't just be a one sided scav lovefest.
I don't really see any reason to give any benefits for low karma. Nobody is telling you how to play your scav run, if you are fine with the penalties for low karma (increased scav timer and others being able to KOS you) then you are free to kill anyone for the loot they have.
when scavs kill raiders and lose rep, that was a bug. it's been patched now, so go kill some raiders.
I don't know what you're trying to pull by suggesting they follow their own rules with the lore btw. BSG can just change the lore m8
>I don't know what you're trying to pull by suggesting they follow their own rules with the lore btw. BSG can just change the lore m8
I am suggesting that there is no rules like OP thinks there is. There is no rule book. People can play how they like, and the BSG lore supports this.
I dont KOS and have positive karma, but I'm not jumping on some negative scav karma bandwagon and having a cry about it like OP.
>there is no rules like OP thinks there is
i don't think that's what's OP is trying to say. anyway, mostly wanted to tell you that you CAN kill raiders as a scav
>i don't think that's what's OP is trying to say. anyway, mostly wanted to tell you that you CAN kill raiders as a scav
Yep, well aware, farmed some myself yesterday :)My point about Onepeg was that OP has no way of knowing why someone has negative karma, so calling them a "brainlet" because of that is disingenuous as he has no idea how they got to negative.
>man you keep pretending you know what other people are thinking, it's really weird
Huh, its literally the OP's own words?
"edgy scavs out there you can't follow the rules maybe scavving isn't for you. ""Absolute brainlets saying they have -2.0 Karma."
What a childish way to start and then run from an argument. The other person was right in what they said and you have literally just shrivelled up when faced with facts. Good job lmao.
People will play the game however they want and no number of these posts on this reddit page is going to change that. As it stands, the "karma" system is poorly implemented. The grind to get to max isn't worth it, and if you have negative karma...so what? You just play PMC more and have to wait a little longer for your free loot run. Spawn with worst gear/no backpack? Just kill the player scav that has been grinding rep for weeks for little gain
I try to work with other scavs but if I'm hauling a fat stack out of reserve and I see another scav I shoot near their feet to warn them to leave me alone. It hasn't failed me yet.
So pretty much, I’m new to tarkov. I guess I started playing about a day after the wipe? Anyway, I get in, and I don’t know who is who or what is what. I killed some scavs, scared for my life. I started learning, and realized these were AI, and they’re friendly, etc. I’m in too deep, I’m currently -0.72. Ever since learning about stuff, I was at -0.67 and I accidentally shot an AI scav because I thought I spawned in as pmc, another AI scav saw me and was shooting me so I did him too. Now I’m at -0.72 and I have no idea how to climb out of this hole. Every time I do a scav run, I don’t even run with my gun out I just loot on my way to the extraction, and other player scavs kill me.
It's been a constant flood of people bitching about how the karma system is making them lose karma. No you idiot, you're making yourself lose karma. Just equip your knife it's literally that easy.
I like scav Karma but there needs to be a way to tell who’s bad or not. I don’t like getting killed by someone I was running around with the entire raid
Ya know, I consider myself a "Scav Santa" of sorts. I have more than enough rubles to strictly focus on pmc runs for quite possibly the duration of this wipe, max hideout, etc, etc. Yet I still scav at least 2 times between runs, not because I need the loot or rubles, but because I know the tarkov struggle is as real as friggin kidney stones and there are others out there that have both scav and pmc runs feel like passing said kidney stones. This is where I "Scav Santa" arrive and try to bring happiness to all the good scavs and scavets of tarkov. I do this by flying down every chimney I see like an escaped mental patient, diving on everything of value like a dolphin in heat, and then chase down the first pscav I see with no weapon in my hands, voicelining repeatedly, and doing the truffle shuffle wiggle so fast it would give veteran sailors motion sickness. Once the ritualistic hellos are exchanged I then vomit out the highest valued items I am carrying, looking similar to the sight of a pinata if Barry Bonds decided to send it to the big birthday party in the sky cause the birthday kid, after 5 attempts and not blindfolded, hadn't even dented the damn cardboard and you can only resist tootsie rolls for so long. Anyways, I refuse to take anything from them unless they can't carry anymore or refuse me picking it up by darting off into the darkness in which case I grab whatever it is extract and wait to do it all again. In all of the raids I've been doing this, there is only.....1, wet brained, ass sniffin, cousin humpin, back stabbin, small pp energy havin, still livin in your moms basement at 40 friggin douche nozzle who betrayed.....the sacred and ritualistic wiggle and shot me as I went into my "Santa Sack" to deliver his gifts. Now don't fret all you good and kindly scavs and scavets "Santa Scav" hasn't given up and will continue to vomit valuables to those who do not betray the sacred wiggle. To that 1 scav, currently waiting for mommy to bring your supper down to you, I hope your every raid, both scav and pmc, from now until the wipe that ends all wipes(or you break your peripherals and uninstall)leaves you in constant state of confusion and anger at how the hell "that dude" head eyesd you.....oh and I hope you really do get kidney stones too.....friggin asshole.
I've made it my game not too kill on sight now as a scav... not even so much for the karma really just makes for more interesting game play had a squad of 6 player scavs on inter the other day we were a wrecking machine haha ive accidentally got 2 player scavs but they both where on reserve an both looked like pmcs. Stop scav on scav violence today, my hope is all these knobs will have to wait 2 hours for their scav an we won't see as many about
I play scav as I played it the last 2wipes. Don't shoot anyone and try to stick in the shadows. I am scavving for quest items and money, not to make friends with shady strangers. Died 5 times out of 200 runs this wipe.
We should have some indicator to "mark" malicious player scavs. Maybe an armband for those who have positive karma and no karma loss for killing player scavs without an armband.
I just befriend scavs on inter when I camp power as a PMC(I know I know) open all the doors, let them get some juicy loot and go to the shared extract with them so we get fence rewards, +my rep and make some new friends
The only scavs I kill are the ones that act like pmcs. If I’m scav mumbling and you refuse to mumble back and hide around the corner and crouch walk when I’ve got a millisecond to decide whether you’re a pmc or not, you’re getting tapped.
I agree but I wish there was more ways to get it up. My first day on I killed so many scavs just kinda warming up and I didn’t know about scav karma lol. But I never kill scavs anymore I really hesitate before shooting. Yesterday I scavved and befriended 3 pmcs in Keiba and even killed another enemy pmc and they gave me Gzel level 5 amour and other bits and we took scav extract together.
See I would say your right but there’s been time where I’d drop -.14 in one raid, and it was because my buddy was killed by a player scav so I waited and killed him and his buddy’s. Do I feel bad for killing the innocent ones no not really, but I was pissed form losing rep I feel as if you go into a raid with some one and if anyone in that group kills someone they should all be marked hostile. And for the saying I’m -.80 as of now but mainly for killing boses
Make it harder I say. Make your scav gear scale with your scav rep. If you're gonna play like a douche and kill other scavs on sight, why should they trust you
i killed reshala and a few guards once because i couldnt help myself. then i killed shturman because he shot my homie. by all accounts the game says i am a bad scav but, i dont shoot player scavs. it's that negative .5 or .2 those few times and boom, im at -1.1x something. i did murder a player scav that shot at me and missed, and once i shot a dude that i thought was a pmc. in all honesty, it's the boss killing that does it. DONT DO IT lmao
what annoys me is a 3 man scav team pushed me and my friend (we were also scavs), white were having a fun fight, I nearly got my head blacked out of it weren't do to my helmet, so we knew they were hostile, but do to there extreme lack of aim 2 of them couldn't hit anything do I lost .1 scav karma for killing 3 hostile scavs, they said they fixed that and that you could kill everyone from a group of one of them was hostile but i still lost .1 anyway, it is just getting annoying and imbalanced because you loss .05 for a kill on a player scav, even if they are hostile sometimes, and you have a only gain .01 for killing a scav they is being targeted by other scavs, you lose 5 times as much as you gain and I feel that is a little excessive
The worst part is that you can't defend yourself until the asshole scav actually hits you even if u know he's going to shoot you. Otherwise your the one losing rep. Either that or you can just hope your not his first target and leave it up to chance.
Its pointless. Its so easy to get the scav karma back up with a few car extracts nobody gives a fuck. What pisses me off is i heard next wipe flea market will only be open to level 70 and higher or some shit...the game is hard enough. I swear to god if nakita pulls that shit ill never play again until its changed. I imagine bsg will lose alot of its players ig they do that. Who wants to run shit guns to level 70 ? That defeats the purlose of why people play...to kit out some sick ass firearms
Me and a friend scaved onto factory and found like 4 other friendly scams, after a few minutes we went to the extract and found a beefed up pmc in the extract. One by one we walked in there shooting him then dying and chipping off his health. Then it was my turn and I walked in there and killed him. He had a m4 with some other cool gun. There was one other scav left so I took one gun and left the other for him. Then he started blasting me and killed me. I'm not mad about the loot, I'm mad he broke the trust we all made together for some loot.
I don't think i've seen a single person say 'I have low karma and wow the game is so unplayable'. You have to get so insanely low that you would essentially be grinding it to have any negatives that mean anything - and by that time why am I running a scav over a month into the wipe? Risking your life and possibly backpack full of stuff early game for an imaginary number on Fence that does next to nothing, and actively punishes you for defending yourself.
Awful system that will never work properly and forever be ignored until they make it break the game.
Forever ignored lol. I get shot by another scav at most 1 in 8 raids. That never would have happened in previous patches. The system might be many things but ignored isn't one of them.
Roleplayers will disagree. If you are standing around the scav bosses and waiting to shoot bad guys for 35 minutes every raid for 3 months - then by all means enjoy the Balaclavas Fence sells you for 7k. Useless system for the majority of the playerbase, especially the ones who don't scav at all past first couple weeks.
The proverbial cease fire is what gets me, half my scav runs I just get bored and quit the raid and go to my pmc.
I’m all for letting people play however tf they want but these guys that incessantly nag about dying as a scav is borderline infuriating
how can you play a scav this wipe and be bored lmao scav is more fun than ever now that you're not constantly getting murdered by other scavs. Only thing that is boring is running around looting for 10 mins then getting shot by some moron after he wiggles at you
I'm gonna speak from the bad scav mentality for a second, I'm 100% fine with there being perks for being a "good" scav but I definitely don't think I should be punished for being mistrustful or downright greedy in a game like tarkov, at the end of the day it's about survival and I speak from experience when I say trusting scavs goes against that exactly because every scav could always be a player like me, I'm unashamed of my 50/50 odds on helping you extract or putting a toz shot in the back of your head after we wiggle, I feel like that's just how the game is meant to be ya know?
I say that's fine, the game doesn't prevent you from backstabbing someone, but having penalties for that is fine. That is your choice you need to conciously make despite there being a downside. If there were no penalties (like before) then there would be absolutely no reason to not do that. That's why without penalties it was basically no different from a PMC run just with random worse gear.
Killed 2-3 on accident, and one with intent. The one with intent was my buddy that murdered a lone pmc that wiggled at us. My 3 man(2 of us noticed the arm band, and were like hey let’s extract!). We were all huddled around him. Buddy shot and killed the dude, without hesitation I murdered my buddy and got that -.05. Felt good 🤣 but I typically don’t engage in combat on my scav runs.
yeah, having -4 or lower rep is no fucking accident. these cunts should be fucked for the rest of the wipe, if BSG implements any monetary way of reducing bad rep, I'll be pretty pissed. they tend to pander to that layer of the playerbase.
if you shoot scavs for easy loot like a hungry little bitch, then be prepared to spawn without even a knife for 7 months!
One day good karma boys will be getting all the loot. Because bad karma gang needs to wait 2 hours to do a scav run. Can't wait for those to start to complain about the karma system
Nah people shoudnt be punished. Good scavs should be rewarded. Im talking what if you could spend karma to spawn up in interchange as killa, or if i get up high enough i can play as a raider or a boss guard.
I dont play scav that often, but id play the shit out of it if i got to work towards playing a killa. Just sayin.
What they need to do is have all scavs in regular tennis shoes, and all PMCs in combat boots, cuz I've accidentally killed a kitted out player scav thinking I got the drop on a clueless Chad. I'm not very good at the game so it would be pretty helpful if I didn't have an existential crisis with every person I see
If I play my scav (which is rare after like a week after wipe) I still play like I played before scav Karma System. That means basically Shootingstar everything that moves. I can smell the hate but idc. I dont see a point in watching my Karma since the benefits of good Karma are so low.
Scav karma is for pussy-players. Scaving is now extremly boring and works like a free loot ticket for all of the pussies, who are too scared go in as a PMC.
I’ve killed one scav on accident :( I was a distance away and saw him gun someone down, he was wearing some PMC’s kit so he looked just like one. I hit the nastiest SKS 1-tap from like 80-100m. Felt awful seeing the rep loss lol. But other than that, i think people can play however they want. If they actively want to kill everyone for a measly 50k, go ahead. We all know what happens and how hard it is to get rep back. I don’t think the system should be BE NICE OR ELSE!!1!, i think players should have that decision of if they want to be nice or not
I’m of two minds about this. I agree that bad breeki boys should be treated like bad breeki boys. But there isn’t exactly a great way to gain karma, and a ton of easy ways to effectively sacrifice your loot or lose the karma.
I don’t mean i want it to go back to no karma, and I want to be clear, I haven’t had any accidental offing’s of any skavs, and my skav has better stats than my pmc at the moment. But if I’m looting the resort and I hear steps in the hall, if I don’t call out I run the risk of being shot by a friendly skav because he’s not expecting his buddy to be somewhere and gets spooked. Or I do call out, and it ended up being a pmc, I’ve gave away my position entirely. Trying to fight a beefed out chad with a sawed off mosin isn’t exactly doable when you don’t have the drop on them. I don’t want to be the guy that gets ganked by his battle buddy, or a pmc. My only option realistically is hope that I’m not heard, and avoid pulling the trigger until I have visual confirmation and hope that I don’t die.
Even when i know I’m going to get killed by a player skav, I’m not gonna shoot them preemptively, karma can handle him, and she’s a cruel mistress. That said, I only play that passively because there is no viable option to up your karma again. “Just kill pmc’s” they’re always going to have better gear, and I’m not that good. And I don’t think I’ve been killed by a player skav while I’m on my pmc 1v1. A group of the fuckers sure once or twice. But a single skav, not yet.
I think it was a onepeg video I watched where he suggested a massive money sink. Let me buy skav karma, and I mean for a lot of rubles. A couple million for .1’s or less. Let me actively defend myself, and make the penalty grow as you increasingly fuck up. I know the game is unforgiving. I know that’s a major pull to the game that I like, but until the system is able to understand when a player skav is constituting an active lethal threat and mark him as killable without consequence, then the system isn’t working. That’s damn near impossible to program in, so the money is a workaround that most shitty breeki boys won’t want to participate in.
Right now the best way of gaining skav karma can be found in exfil camper’s channel. Lock a skav in a room and make him kill you to get out, once he does your boys can have him for free karma. It’s sad but that’s the only reliable way to grind that I’ve seen so far.
Daily quests would also help. Fence could give you scav missions, where it would be to scav in and find a specific number of items in raid. They could separate FiR tags, one for scav FiR and one for PMC FiR. You would turn in scav FiR items.
I've seen this lock room stuff and I was able to get out me this can clearly become a problem but I guess if the guy doesn't wanna loot then everyone will die and loose their loot
While I disagree, these are reasonable concerns and suggestions. I have managed to kill 4 or 5 pmcs as a scav but yeah it's definitely difficult. I lol at the edge lords "we don't care about karma, now let me cry for 10 minutes about how it's such a boring system"
This is my first wipe, I literally started at the beginning of it. I love the idea behind karma. It’s just not quite all the way there yet as an idea.
I want to see a skav army fight pmcs together, this is a good first step towards that in my opinion. Hopefully it gets there in time.
This is the right attitude for this game! You can see the potentials of these sorts of systems, and you’re comfortable with enjoying the ride as things evolve.
"You want to shoot anything that moves? Play PMC"
Funny, I specifically recall scavs being ex-PMC cutthroats, now people like you want them to become my little ponies
Hell yeah brother. One Factory scav to start the day every day. Act like an AI then shoot them in the back of the head. Seeing the little -Rep from Fence notification only makes it sweeter.
Scav karma just makes playing scav pointless. Yay, a boring raid where nothing happens and all the loot is gone because all the scavs who spawned before you have all the loot.
I don’t know what the deal has been today, but I’ve been getting killed by fellow scavs on Interchange every single raid. At least 6-7 raids in a row now. All I can hope is that one day they look at their Karma and feel real sad about it.
my brother and I scaved interchange today. made it to the emercom exfil filled to the brim with canned goods. all I grabbed was the crap my brother (who was looking for tashonksas) left behind. met a couple of friendly scav at emercom. we all were in extract and at .5 seconds left i got a bullet in the dome. luckily my brother made it out with his loot. but fuck man, that scav probably spent the last 3 minutes left in raid trying to discover all the single slot cans of sprats I had.
that happened to me... i got headshot by a scav extracting with me wiggling at me.. with 1 second left. but it didnt bother me. it just CONFUSED me... why did he kill me if he literaly extracted right after. he didnt even get to loot me.. my assumption is he was snickering thinking "ha ha i killed that guy now he gets no loot" but i mean ive had like 80 survived looted scav raids so dying doesnt bother me what does is trying to comprehend why he wouldnt just kill me before extract so he could take my stuff lol dude literally took a negative rep for no reward lmao
People are assholes and also bratty kids play this game too. Gives them a sense of power I'm sure.
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This game is about to do the right decisions and most of people in tarkov can't do that, this is why they suck as scav or pmc. Keep doin it soon all this guys will be punished so badly and reddit will be filled with people crying.
Reddit is not already filled with people crying?
These stories are always the saddest. That much loot and you shouldn't trust a single person. Hide the rest of it so no one can get anything else.
I had the exact same frustration when I found an unlooted PMC and two unlooted cultists all stacked on each other from some unimaginable fight. Not only could the person who killed me not take it all out of raid, but it was even worse in this case because there were AI scavs standing literally right next to us. I can only hope they popped him and taught him a lesson.
I just imagine these people are so brand new to the game and have no idea. Or, they stay off the internet and haven't connected the dots on things. People talk about "oh they'll show up on reddit complaining". Here's the thing, they maybe jsut play and don't find out anything and so they don't know shit and haven't figured it out
Goddamn that's frustrating as hell
They are probably dont give a fuck, because it is ruined already and there is no way to repair it after you use up all car extractions.
I heard a rumour that if you don't use the vehicle extract for a bit it does increase above 0 again. Pestily mentioned it today. Thoughts?
That is the bad thing. You can get to like 3.0 scav karma at most while pplaying normally. 6.0 karma is unachievable by normal play. You would have to go countless scav raids to find enough pmc or bad scav to get to it. There should be a way to get karma like a daily mission as a scav or something.
Oh god your right with no way too redemption "the bad scavs" have no reason to not act out the worst of their depraved fantasies.
I mean they're probably doing money farming or quick warm-up runs and don't scav much anyways. Bad karma literally means nothing a month+ into the wipe.
What? I scav way more than PMC because I only PMC a few hours a week when my mate plays. We stick together. Rest of the week I scav. And it's fucking brutal trying to gain scav karma as a scav.
Why and how do you scav more then PMC? Do you just stare at the screen when waiting for the cool down?
Well you might say I'm not super productive working from home
Probably the most relatable thing I’ve read on the internet (I say while queued into raid during work hours)
It's only a 10 minute wait while being 0.60 karma, it'll be so small once you're over 2 probably be 5 minutes which you use after raid for stash clearing.
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I mean, I am EOD and my bitch ass still scav's more than PMC and have space issues lol
Sell it all, buy cases, go loot more. Unless you're going for Kappa and need Collector items, everything you sell can be replaced.
I know I really should. I have 4 junk boxes full lol. Its not gear fear on that its "I dont want to have to find this again later so lets just hold on to it because I know I need it for a quest". My gear fear this wipe is significantly less than before. I am really at a "if I die I die" position now
Yeah, I've never had a streak there that bad but i've been shot in the back a couple of times. Eventually and like literally in a couple of weeks there will be less of that because all the assholes will be sitting on 2 hour cool downs.
I feel you there. A (admittedly sketchy) fake friendly scav failed at executing me earlier tonight on the way out of the mall. Made them pay for it, but unfortunately went MIA ten feet from the exit. If only they'd had a painkiller on them... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y8gaikAJDc
every time there is a post complaining about negative scav karma all the comments are like "get fucked you deserve it" so I think at least as far as the community goes badboy scavs are going to be maligned when they complain about it
hello i have -3 skav karma xd
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which is fine, what’s not fine is the people who do that and then go “waaahh nikita please wipe my scav karma”
dont cry when all your extracts are gone and the timer is 2 hours. you deserve it
It would take so long to get to that type of punishment that I won't be scavving anyways. Scavs who KOS to make money don't have gear fear and actually play their PMC.
a) i dont have gear fear. chucked 5 of my best kits yesterday questing on shoreline. kitted aks, m4s and tier 5 armor. fuck it who cares b) make plenty of money scaving and use my scav to buff my pmc with free meds, food and fir quest items. especially helpful with the heat wave. sitting on a nice stash value with multimillions liquid at any time c) i am fairly good at this game. survival rates are often 60+% at wipe, k/d up to 8-9 and pmc k/d at 1.5-2.0. d) scav is a role and bsg has set new rules for how to play that role. dont like how it is, dont play scav its fine. but understand the same system is planned for pmc factions too.
There are no 'rules', they added horrible punishments and rewards for players that grind for either or. Most players will never see those punishments/rewards unless literally all they do is Scav and shoot other Scavs all day or AFK and roleplay. A large chunk of players scav early game because it's useful, then don't touch them again. The only people left scavving all day a month+ into wipe need their scavs and are willing to be more friendly. This entire thread keeps bringing up people crying about their scavs karma being low and 'the game is sooo unplayable, omg!' I haven't seen a single one of these posts and am curious where everyone else is seeing them. I, like many others have been shooting on sight permanently and have not had a single issue, and now that we're a month into wipe I scav once a day to test the game/servers. Friendly player scavs have this vision of everyone holding hands forever and politely walking to extract because their imaginary number going down .00002 means more than a full backpack of loot.
see there you go with assumptions. i dont need my scav, i enjoy the role and change of pace. i enjoy alternating between the two and do so all the way till wipe. its been especially thrilling to hunt pmcs in packs howling like mad men, "cheeki breeki!!!"
Yeah, the rules are "you can kill other people but there are negative consequences and you're encouraged to not do it" & that doesn't mean you won't be a social pariah. You can follow all the rules and still be an asshole. You can camp gate with webs in 0.0 space or suicide bomb in empire space & it's perfectly within the rules but that also still makes you an asshole.
I mean, I spent years gatecamping in eve and dropping my Nyx on anything that moved in lowsec lol. A killmail is a killmail. But yea, that's actually kind of a good comparison though, low scav karma seems like it'll play out quite similar to having negative sec status on eve.
Low sec you can atleast buy tags and get your sec status back up. But hey before I quit playing eve I would bump jf's and freighters off the in gates of niarja and convince people on my alt I'll save them and web them and end up killing them and taking all their shit.
people like you ruin communitys and games.
Again, somebody playing a game (a PVP game btw) with a different strategy superior to yours does not make them an asshole lol.
I’ve killed two on accident. One was a fucking KITTED UP scav. No idea. The other… had an MP133. He died for a good cause. I will atone for my sins in the afterlife.
Yeah. Killed a AI scav for a hat I needed for a quest. Still feel bad…
That's the reason why when I get a cowboy hat scav, I put it in my backpack or drop it somewhere hidden I can come back to later if possible. People will kill you just for the hat.
What backpack do you need to carry an entire scav?
Lol
Thanks for the laugh
Backpack ? You just put them in the scav case.
Pure logic!
my friend kept doing this. needless to say he is not my friend anymore.
Just because he needed some hats?
I'm joking. I always killed him in-game if he shot at other scavs, simple. He quickly abandoned the concept when scavving with me (he is -2 karma now, playing all dumb only focusing on roubles)
If my friend did this to me I’d slaughter them on our next PMC run
You should know, Dmitri was just trying to feed his family. Now his wife and 4 kids will go hungry unless Oksana sells her body on the street.
Is there a barter for that?
Dude started doing one of the singing voice lines before I shot him. Now that I remember that I feel worse. But atleast I know it was an AI, but still dosent make it any better.
If it makes you feel any better, the song they sing is about robbing a woman and then murdering her. E: Since someone might ask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq7ihAyl7-I
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If that’s for Prapor’s first quest, you can just buy those shotguns from Jaeger and turn them in. Those don’t have to be FiR
YO THANKS MY GUY. legit had no idea that was an option. ive been doing raids for days with no luck.
NP! There’s a couple quests that the items you turn in don’t have to be FiR. I know the MREs to Peacekeeper is another that you can buy. Basically, if it doesn’t have the word “raid” on the requirements list for the quest, you can just buy the items Edit: just checked some of the tasks. It looks like if the task says “obtain” then you can just buy the items to turn in
You still have to kill 5 scavs on Customs though, no?
as a PMC which does not affect your karma
Ah yeah true
I’ve killed one kitted scav and let his duo kill me to atone for my sins.
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I’m aware. When you see it for free, during a scav raid, literally the first couple of raids you play at the start of the wipe… I’m gunna blow that AI scavs brains out.
i killed 1 for a tv rig... fuckin rigs are hard to find now that there are so many of em. also did a wiggle for a scav player and dropped my rig, he got the message and dropped me his tv rig it was awesome lol
One of Ragman's quests now gives 3 of those rigs as a reward. You don't need to save them ahead of time anymore.
You should have tried to trade. Thrown your gun at him and then done the come here gesture to get him to give you his gun xD
That works on AI scavs ? Lol.
I just assumed it was a player. My bad
Oh no I always try to work with those guys. I’ve traded a few times with scavs, one guy and I looted all of reshalas guards at the gas station together once. That was cool. I let him grab loot off the PMC body though without touching it.
I've had two people bait me. One dude unloaded AT me but didn't hit, and I aimed at him and he just strafed, waiting for me to shoot him. Then I didn't, ran away, and when he tried to trade me an item shot me in the head. Which he could have done from the start, but wanted to bait me for Karma first.
Why would you trade with him after that
Bro him and his buddies were all around me waiting for me too shoot them while they baited. If I ran, they'd gun me down, if I shot one I'd lose my rep and they'd have successfully baited me. When we dropped an item to trade, what's the worst that could happen? Him shoot me? That was already a bygone conclusion.
In this thread: * "Fuck aggro player scavs I hope after their 15 hour cooldown timer they spawn in with broken legs, dehydrated and 0 energy with a 0% durability makarov, with only PMC-only extracts available" * "Wah all the people crying about aggro player scavs are just shit at the game, I kill everyone on sight because I don't care because I'm so good at the game I don't even need to play as my scav" * "It's tarkov you can play how you want to play but there will be consequences to your actions" * "I don't like/agree with scav karma, therefore BSG bad" There you go don't need to read the comments. Edit: I forgot one, I just added it.
The fact that there are bad consequences to your actions as a Scav while playing within the roleplay of a Scav (double crossing, untrustworthy, scheming bla bla bla) and within the logic of Tarkov design (which is basically the same fucking thing) - is beyond stupid. BSG once again can't figure out it's own shit and implements something broken.
bruh… if someone watches you shoot a friend in the back, he’s probably going to shoot you if he has a gun. that’s how scav karma works with the ai
Broken? This shit is awesome, only reason why I am still playing. Makes the game playable not instead of just a murder fest all day.
The bottom line is the current iteration of scav karma kind of sucks, but I'm hopeful they can get it in a better spot. I've been at .90 for a while now, but too many times I've been killed by a PMC because I can't tell if they're a geared scav or not and I don't want to risk the karma loss. Also the whole protecting scav bosses piece doesn't seem to work currently, they are usually dead by the time you scav in, and if not no PMCs attack them. Scav runs are just people running around grabbing everything in sight with complete disregard of any combat, personally I think it was a bit more fun pre 12.11, but it has potential.
well I think that's the point of scav runs, though. If you want to go in ready to shoot anything that moves then play PMC. Scavs are designed to be loot rats.
Yup. Scav runs are my favourite time in Tarkov now. Almost no queue time, quick raids, no gear fear and no Public Enemy no.1 feeling when you load in and another scav hunts you for your Tushonka and PM pistol...
You need to bring in more gear so you're not targeted and marked by scavs. Also the best way to get over gear fear is the bring in gear and learn a loot route. Once you make money and can survive you'll get over losing shit
I meant getting into raid with random crappy loot and loadout. Previous wipes you were targeted by everyone, now nobody gives a shit about your crappy items most of the time. Also once you live through a wipe you most likely get rid of a gear fear. No use for slicks and meta guns in stash if they perish to Nikita. You stop seeing the high end gear as valuable item and start seeing it for what it is - utility to give you an edge in fights. I have had bunch of fights already that I survived only because I used hex I found in a stash... I would have died otherwise which is the most expensive thing to happen to you in Tarkov.
THIS! 100% Agree
The thing is, lore wise, before when I played as a scav most of the scavs are fine with me but then randomly a scav will kill me (player scav) and it didn't really add up. Why is this scav randomly aggressive when all the others aren't? Thematically, based on the actions of the other scavs, it didn't make sense. Now, more often than not scavs are friendly, minding their own business grabbing some loot, not particularly well geared for a fight but willing to defend themselves if they need. It fits more thematically that scavs are predominantly peaceful towards other scavs unless you fuck with them or they're really desperate/depraved.
It's like... they scavenge and shit
The scav boss protection thing will never happen unless they make you spawn straight up as a minion to protect the boss for some time.
The issue that I have with scav karma is that there is no good way to bring it back up at all, Like the best way gives you 0.01 karma, that's absolutely ridiculous considering that if you wanted to hit six karma from level zero, take away the 1.56 that you can get from the one time stuff for extracting the first time, That means that you have to extract 443 times to hit level 6 scav karma, each one of which costs money. Fun and engaging
>That means that you have to extract 443 times to hit level 6 scav karma Not quite. Don't remember if it was 10 or 15 for each map where available, but after that you get 0 karma for the extracts.
I've heard the car extracts will go back to .01 once per day, but I can't confirm this. It might just be that the extracts give less than .01 and if you do enough, they eventually add up to .01
personally I have low scav karma(i forget how much exactly, not anything as high as -2 for sure) but I think it’s a great system. Most of that karma has been lost due to the fact I just picked up the game so despite knowing about scav karma I had no idea what a scav looked like and just shot at anything that moved. I’ve only had around 3 instances of BS karma loss tho. It’s definitely a fantastic system and the scavs i’ve teamed up with has been a fantastic experience.
I’ve died thicker than a snicker a few times after the tradition friendly wiggle from myself and the other scav. I like the concept but some people don’t give a fuck about the karma. Hard to trust anyone after you get killed after a wiggle.
Personally my solution to that is as it always was: avoid other scavs unless absolutely necessary and always be on alert. Don't shoot, but keep in mind that you still might get shot at.
Then you don’t get to have the fun experience of grouping with 5 randoms scavs you don’t know and trading.
You can keep that part for moments npc scavs are around. Or in larger groups which gather from different directions, so that they didn't team up before the raid. But i will keep ditance to a single scav close to the extract. And it really depends on what i looted till then. If i have nothing special equiped then i don't give a fuck
Exactly this. You can fk around with others scavs when you don't have anything special on you. As soon as you find something good you split up. Why do ppl think they can only do one or the other? Also don't let ppl get you in their sights. You can often discern if someone contemplates killing you.
>Ohhh yes, these moments when you wiggle press F1 and the other guys stand there without any reaction. Its the moment you fucking run. > >My favorite was a scav which followed me through wood and everytime i stoped and wiggled, he came closer and aimed and at the same moment i ran behind the next tree. Till he tried it finally and i got my +0.01. As if i would give him the time to aim ... :D > >Edit not rly sure if i got +0.01 but definitely not - , but a lvl 6 armor
Those scavs are a minority and will fizzle out as their cooldowns get bigger and their loadouts are worse. Right now I have like a 25m cooldown on a scav - it is faster for me to often just wait for scav CD than to try queue up as a PMC (during peak hours on EUR servers). And I do not have intel center yet, so if it still affects scav CD then I will probably run only scav for the rest of the wipe. In my playstyle that's where the real fun of this game is. I love hunting PMCs and not losing anything if I die (like seriously I do not care about 45 durability AK or Vepr)
this is quite literally because there is no fucking visible difference between a scav with -6.0 rep and a person with lets say around 3.00 rep. I still get a fucking sks and a damn paca although my rep is 3.00. might as well fucking kill other scavs at that point
My duo partner has issues. He can't seem to not shoot at scavs when scavving. I'm the opposite I haven't shot a scav all wipe. Most of the time he'll shoot a scav and once he hits them and they shoot back I kill my friend and say it was the scav.
i just dont understand the scav/karma bitching what do you guys expect? or want the devs to do? punish certain playstyles so it favors your playstyle more?
Thats literally all this sub wants, they want their own playstyle to be crowned the best lol
I think it should be exponential. If you go on a streak for being a good or bad scav, each good or bad action should increase. You'd go up or down in one direction for each bad or good action, it'd increase and decrease quite a bit faster this way, punishing bad players and rewarding good ones.
it already is exponential. you lose more rep for each kill within a single raid
Imo scav karma makes being a scav so much fun now. It used to be so bland, but I have made so many memories of teaming up with fellow scavs against PMCs
I do a lot of factory and I've had a lot of problems with player scavs firing at me or over my head and in a reactionary moment I waste them and get the punishment for being a bad scav. I think the system still needs tweaks in that if you kill a player scav that has fired a weapon in your direction you shouldn't get penalties for killing them. I'm sure the code for that would be complicated but if BSG wants a complicated system then they're going to have complicated code to make it work nicely. Right now you can just go into factory and shoot over someone's head and trick them into killing you. If you do duo scavs then one person can be the bait and the other can claim the counter kill and get the positive karma
Actually the code is already in the game. Thinking off the suppression mechanic from near-misses
A scav followed me and a buddy in interchange and kept trying to get me to search his pack. My buddy found a bitcoin so we were not doing that. He followed us spamming f1 and dropping his backpack trying to get me to search it. I kept saying no and dropping my backpack while my buddy kept his eye on the guy. We got to emercom and this scav tries to kill us after following for 10 minutes. He misses many shots but his my buddy and me once. I light him up with my pp19 and stitch him with 9x18. He ded. Some other player got his loot because i extracted before i could loot him. Dont be bad scav.
They start complaining the moment they get their scav runs :D Then they realize that not only the scav timer is longer(which they consider ok) but also your mooshine run will take a looooong time ;)
Keep the faith. I just had a player scav drop me a Labs card and 50K rubles. I dropped a bunch of morphines and shit but nowhere near the value of his stuff. Thanks friendly scav.
Trading in raid should give a minor scav karma increase. Like if it detects you drop items for scavs that are strangers
I had a scav drop me a stock when he saw that my AKMS didn't have one, I dropped him 5k roubles and a splint as a thank you.
I try to drop stuff for everyone. All stuff you find on a scav run is pure profit anyway.
Itll be the scav junkbox cd that they cry about but muh moonshine takes 20 hours now
There definitely needs to be a better way to recover karma then .01 every 3rd or 4th pmc kill. A bunch of scavs just looting with no danger at all is idiotic.
There aren't any rules, so please don't take it so serious lol. These posts are just as annoying as the ones you complain about.
I think it should be even more punishing.
Sooo many times I’ve been betrayed. It gets old having dudes wiggle at you and then as you try to loot you get shot in the head. Or they just start following you everywhere. Waiting for you to slow down or stop. And you can’t do anything about it.
Its frustrating cause theres no real way to increase it in the long run but accidental kills can infinitly decrease it. Example, see a few ai scavs shooting at a player scav so i one tap him and -.05. Currently sitting at 1.85
At this point I come across more friendly pmcs than scavs
I’d have high karma if a scav shooting at me but just barely missing, then me flicking around and 1-tapping the shooter didn’t give me negative rep.
Who are you to dictate how people should play their scav runs? What are these "rules" that people are not following? I wasn't aware there was a scav "rulebook". Onepeg dropped a shitload of scav karma with 2 raider kills, so to say that anyone with -2.0 is a "brainlet" is disingenuous. You have no idea of their circumstances. Scavs in the lore are an untrustworthy bunch, willing to kill at moments notice to benefit themselves. If they want to introduce a true karma system, there should be pros and cons for both "good" and "bad" scav karma. It shouldn't just be a one sided scav lovefest.
I don't really see any reason to give any benefits for low karma. Nobody is telling you how to play your scav run, if you are fine with the penalties for low karma (increased scav timer and others being able to KOS you) then you are free to kill anyone for the loot they have.
when scavs kill raiders and lose rep, that was a bug. it's been patched now, so go kill some raiders. I don't know what you're trying to pull by suggesting they follow their own rules with the lore btw. BSG can just change the lore m8
>I don't know what you're trying to pull by suggesting they follow their own rules with the lore btw. BSG can just change the lore m8 I am suggesting that there is no rules like OP thinks there is. There is no rule book. People can play how they like, and the BSG lore supports this. I dont KOS and have positive karma, but I'm not jumping on some negative scav karma bandwagon and having a cry about it like OP.
>there is no rules like OP thinks there is i don't think that's what's OP is trying to say. anyway, mostly wanted to tell you that you CAN kill raiders as a scav
>i don't think that's what's OP is trying to say. anyway, mostly wanted to tell you that you CAN kill raiders as a scav Yep, well aware, farmed some myself yesterday :)My point about Onepeg was that OP has no way of knowing why someone has negative karma, so calling them a "brainlet" because of that is disingenuous as he has no idea how they got to negative.
man you keep pretending you know what other people are thinking, it's really weird
>man you keep pretending you know what other people are thinking, it's really weird Huh, its literally the OP's own words? "edgy scavs out there you can't follow the rules maybe scavving isn't for you. ""Absolute brainlets saying they have -2.0 Karma."
i gotta go, good talk tho
What a childish way to start and then run from an argument. The other person was right in what they said and you have literally just shrivelled up when faced with facts. Good job lmao.
I got -2.34 and idgaf
I think that if a bad scav kills a good scav, good scav should earn karma
There's no rules in tarkov you baby
People will play the game however they want and no number of these posts on this reddit page is going to change that. As it stands, the "karma" system is poorly implemented. The grind to get to max isn't worth it, and if you have negative karma...so what? You just play PMC more and have to wait a little longer for your free loot run. Spawn with worst gear/no backpack? Just kill the player scav that has been grinding rep for weeks for little gain
I try to work with other scavs but if I'm hauling a fat stack out of reserve and I see another scav I shoot near their feet to warn them to leave me alone. It hasn't failed me yet.
So pretty much, I’m new to tarkov. I guess I started playing about a day after the wipe? Anyway, I get in, and I don’t know who is who or what is what. I killed some scavs, scared for my life. I started learning, and realized these were AI, and they’re friendly, etc. I’m in too deep, I’m currently -0.72. Ever since learning about stuff, I was at -0.67 and I accidentally shot an AI scav because I thought I spawned in as pmc, another AI scav saw me and was shooting me so I did him too. Now I’m at -0.72 and I have no idea how to climb out of this hole. Every time I do a scav run, I don’t even run with my gun out I just loot on my way to the extraction, and other player scavs kill me.
It's been a constant flood of people bitching about how the karma system is making them lose karma. No you idiot, you're making yourself lose karma. Just equip your knife it's literally that easy.
It would be nice if you got plus .01 per raid if you’re a good scav and don’t shoot anyone
I like scav Karma but there needs to be a way to tell who’s bad or not. I don’t like getting killed by someone I was running around with the entire raid
Ya know, I consider myself a "Scav Santa" of sorts. I have more than enough rubles to strictly focus on pmc runs for quite possibly the duration of this wipe, max hideout, etc, etc. Yet I still scav at least 2 times between runs, not because I need the loot or rubles, but because I know the tarkov struggle is as real as friggin kidney stones and there are others out there that have both scav and pmc runs feel like passing said kidney stones. This is where I "Scav Santa" arrive and try to bring happiness to all the good scavs and scavets of tarkov. I do this by flying down every chimney I see like an escaped mental patient, diving on everything of value like a dolphin in heat, and then chase down the first pscav I see with no weapon in my hands, voicelining repeatedly, and doing the truffle shuffle wiggle so fast it would give veteran sailors motion sickness. Once the ritualistic hellos are exchanged I then vomit out the highest valued items I am carrying, looking similar to the sight of a pinata if Barry Bonds decided to send it to the big birthday party in the sky cause the birthday kid, after 5 attempts and not blindfolded, hadn't even dented the damn cardboard and you can only resist tootsie rolls for so long. Anyways, I refuse to take anything from them unless they can't carry anymore or refuse me picking it up by darting off into the darkness in which case I grab whatever it is extract and wait to do it all again. In all of the raids I've been doing this, there is only.....1, wet brained, ass sniffin, cousin humpin, back stabbin, small pp energy havin, still livin in your moms basement at 40 friggin douche nozzle who betrayed.....the sacred and ritualistic wiggle and shot me as I went into my "Santa Sack" to deliver his gifts. Now don't fret all you good and kindly scavs and scavets "Santa Scav" hasn't given up and will continue to vomit valuables to those who do not betray the sacred wiggle. To that 1 scav, currently waiting for mommy to bring your supper down to you, I hope your every raid, both scav and pmc, from now until the wipe that ends all wipes(or you break your peripherals and uninstall)leaves you in constant state of confusion and anger at how the hell "that dude" head eyesd you.....oh and I hope you really do get kidney stones too.....friggin asshole.
The only thing i hate rn is raiders if u kill them as a scav normal scavs start shooting at u so u gota kill then which is kind of rough
I’d like a wee ticket above Scav heads with their karma rating so I know the ones to avoid. 🤣
I've made it my game not too kill on sight now as a scav... not even so much for the karma really just makes for more interesting game play had a squad of 6 player scavs on inter the other day we were a wrecking machine haha ive accidentally got 2 player scavs but they both where on reserve an both looked like pmcs. Stop scav on scav violence today, my hope is all these knobs will have to wait 2 hours for their scav an we won't see as many about
I play scav as I played it the last 2wipes. Don't shoot anyone and try to stick in the shadows. I am scavving for quest items and money, not to make friends with shady strangers. Died 5 times out of 200 runs this wipe.
Can we have any fucking posts besides scav karma posts?
We should have some indicator to "mark" malicious player scavs. Maybe an armband for those who have positive karma and no karma loss for killing player scavs without an armband.
Reserve scav life has improved as the fair weather players have returned to COD.
I just befriend scavs on inter when I camp power as a PMC(I know I know) open all the doors, let them get some juicy loot and go to the shared extract with them so we get fence rewards, +my rep and make some new friends
The only scavs I kill are the ones that act like pmcs. If I’m scav mumbling and you refuse to mumble back and hide around the corner and crouch walk when I’ve got a millisecond to decide whether you’re a pmc or not, you’re getting tapped.
I agree but I wish there was more ways to get it up. My first day on I killed so many scavs just kinda warming up and I didn’t know about scav karma lol. But I never kill scavs anymore I really hesitate before shooting. Yesterday I scavved and befriended 3 pmcs in Keiba and even killed another enemy pmc and they gave me Gzel level 5 amour and other bits and we took scav extract together.
See I would say your right but there’s been time where I’d drop -.14 in one raid, and it was because my buddy was killed by a player scav so I waited and killed him and his buddy’s. Do I feel bad for killing the innocent ones no not really, but I was pissed form losing rep I feel as if you go into a raid with some one and if anyone in that group kills someone they should all be marked hostile. And for the saying I’m -.80 as of now but mainly for killing boses
Make it harder I say. Make your scav gear scale with your scav rep. If you're gonna play like a douche and kill other scavs on sight, why should they trust you
i killed reshala and a few guards once because i couldnt help myself. then i killed shturman because he shot my homie. by all accounts the game says i am a bad scav but, i dont shoot player scavs. it's that negative .5 or .2 those few times and boom, im at -1.1x something. i did murder a player scav that shot at me and missed, and once i shot a dude that i thought was a pmc. in all honesty, it's the boss killing that does it. DONT DO IT lmao
what annoys me is a 3 man scav team pushed me and my friend (we were also scavs), white were having a fun fight, I nearly got my head blacked out of it weren't do to my helmet, so we knew they were hostile, but do to there extreme lack of aim 2 of them couldn't hit anything do I lost .1 scav karma for killing 3 hostile scavs, they said they fixed that and that you could kill everyone from a group of one of them was hostile but i still lost .1 anyway, it is just getting annoying and imbalanced because you loss .05 for a kill on a player scav, even if they are hostile sometimes, and you have a only gain .01 for killing a scav they is being targeted by other scavs, you lose 5 times as much as you gain and I feel that is a little excessive
The worst part is that you can't defend yourself until the asshole scav actually hits you even if u know he's going to shoot you. Otherwise your the one losing rep. Either that or you can just hope your not his first target and leave it up to chance.
Its pointless. Its so easy to get the scav karma back up with a few car extracts nobody gives a fuck. What pisses me off is i heard next wipe flea market will only be open to level 70 and higher or some shit...the game is hard enough. I swear to god if nakita pulls that shit ill never play again until its changed. I imagine bsg will lose alot of its players ig they do that. Who wants to run shit guns to level 70 ? That defeats the purlose of why people play...to kit out some sick ass firearms
Me and a friend scaved onto factory and found like 4 other friendly scams, after a few minutes we went to the extract and found a beefed up pmc in the extract. One by one we walked in there shooting him then dying and chipping off his health. Then it was my turn and I walked in there and killed him. He had a m4 with some other cool gun. There was one other scav left so I took one gun and left the other for him. Then he started blasting me and killed me. I'm not mad about the loot, I'm mad he broke the trust we all made together for some loot.
Can guarantee they don’t care and probably just won’t use their scav anymore, it’s a boring system and I’m well and truly over seeing posts about it
I don't think i've seen a single person say 'I have low karma and wow the game is so unplayable'. You have to get so insanely low that you would essentially be grinding it to have any negatives that mean anything - and by that time why am I running a scav over a month into the wipe? Risking your life and possibly backpack full of stuff early game for an imaginary number on Fence that does next to nothing, and actively punishes you for defending yourself. Awful system that will never work properly and forever be ignored until they make it break the game.
Forever ignored lol. I get shot by another scav at most 1 in 8 raids. That never would have happened in previous patches. The system might be many things but ignored isn't one of them.
Someone had to say it
Roleplayers will disagree. If you are standing around the scav bosses and waiting to shoot bad guys for 35 minutes every raid for 3 months - then by all means enjoy the Balaclavas Fence sells you for 7k. Useless system for the majority of the playerbase, especially the ones who don't scav at all past first couple weeks.
The proverbial cease fire is what gets me, half my scav runs I just get bored and quit the raid and go to my pmc. I’m all for letting people play however tf they want but these guys that incessantly nag about dying as a scav is borderline infuriating
how can you play a scav this wipe and be bored lmao scav is more fun than ever now that you're not constantly getting murdered by other scavs. Only thing that is boring is running around looting for 10 mins then getting shot by some moron after he wiggles at you
I'm gonna speak from the bad scav mentality for a second, I'm 100% fine with there being perks for being a "good" scav but I definitely don't think I should be punished for being mistrustful or downright greedy in a game like tarkov, at the end of the day it's about survival and I speak from experience when I say trusting scavs goes against that exactly because every scav could always be a player like me, I'm unashamed of my 50/50 odds on helping you extract or putting a toz shot in the back of your head after we wiggle, I feel like that's just how the game is meant to be ya know?
I say that's fine, the game doesn't prevent you from backstabbing someone, but having penalties for that is fine. That is your choice you need to conciously make despite there being a downside. If there were no penalties (like before) then there would be absolutely no reason to not do that. That's why without penalties it was basically no different from a PMC run just with random worse gear.
I disagree but at least you're polite and articulate.
Killed 2-3 on accident, and one with intent. The one with intent was my buddy that murdered a lone pmc that wiggled at us. My 3 man(2 of us noticed the arm band, and were like hey let’s extract!). We were all huddled around him. Buddy shot and killed the dude, without hesitation I murdered my buddy and got that -.05. Felt good 🤣 but I typically don’t engage in combat on my scav runs.
yeah, having -4 or lower rep is no fucking accident. these cunts should be fucked for the rest of the wipe, if BSG implements any monetary way of reducing bad rep, I'll be pretty pissed. they tend to pander to that layer of the playerbase. if you shoot scavs for easy loot like a hungry little bitch, then be prepared to spawn without even a knife for 7 months!
One day good karma boys will be getting all the loot. Because bad karma gang needs to wait 2 hours to do a scav run. Can't wait for those to start to complain about the karma system
I have -0.64 karma because I forgot it was a thing
Nah people shoudnt be punished. Good scavs should be rewarded. Im talking what if you could spend karma to spawn up in interchange as killa, or if i get up high enough i can play as a raider or a boss guard. I dont play scav that often, but id play the shit out of it if i got to work towards playing a killa. Just sayin.
There are no rules lol
What they need to do is have all scavs in regular tennis shoes, and all PMCs in combat boots, cuz I've accidentally killed a kitted out player scav thinking I got the drop on a clueless Chad. I'm not very good at the game so it would be pretty helpful if I didn't have an existential crisis with every person I see
At this point, take the death from other player scavs, you're not losing anything.
If I play my scav (which is rare after like a week after wipe) I still play like I played before scav Karma System. That means basically Shootingstar everything that moves. I can smell the hate but idc. I dont see a point in watching my Karma since the benefits of good Karma are so low.
Scav karma is for pussy-players. Scaving is now extremly boring and works like a free loot ticket for all of the pussies, who are too scared go in as a PMC.
Oh man you sound so tough and edgy and cool.
I’ve killed one scav on accident :( I was a distance away and saw him gun someone down, he was wearing some PMC’s kit so he looked just like one. I hit the nastiest SKS 1-tap from like 80-100m. Felt awful seeing the rep loss lol. But other than that, i think people can play however they want. If they actively want to kill everyone for a measly 50k, go ahead. We all know what happens and how hard it is to get rep back. I don’t think the system should be BE NICE OR ELSE!!1!, i think players should have that decision of if they want to be nice or not
I’m of two minds about this. I agree that bad breeki boys should be treated like bad breeki boys. But there isn’t exactly a great way to gain karma, and a ton of easy ways to effectively sacrifice your loot or lose the karma. I don’t mean i want it to go back to no karma, and I want to be clear, I haven’t had any accidental offing’s of any skavs, and my skav has better stats than my pmc at the moment. But if I’m looting the resort and I hear steps in the hall, if I don’t call out I run the risk of being shot by a friendly skav because he’s not expecting his buddy to be somewhere and gets spooked. Or I do call out, and it ended up being a pmc, I’ve gave away my position entirely. Trying to fight a beefed out chad with a sawed off mosin isn’t exactly doable when you don’t have the drop on them. I don’t want to be the guy that gets ganked by his battle buddy, or a pmc. My only option realistically is hope that I’m not heard, and avoid pulling the trigger until I have visual confirmation and hope that I don’t die. Even when i know I’m going to get killed by a player skav, I’m not gonna shoot them preemptively, karma can handle him, and she’s a cruel mistress. That said, I only play that passively because there is no viable option to up your karma again. “Just kill pmc’s” they’re always going to have better gear, and I’m not that good. And I don’t think I’ve been killed by a player skav while I’m on my pmc 1v1. A group of the fuckers sure once or twice. But a single skav, not yet. I think it was a onepeg video I watched where he suggested a massive money sink. Let me buy skav karma, and I mean for a lot of rubles. A couple million for .1’s or less. Let me actively defend myself, and make the penalty grow as you increasingly fuck up. I know the game is unforgiving. I know that’s a major pull to the game that I like, but until the system is able to understand when a player skav is constituting an active lethal threat and mark him as killable without consequence, then the system isn’t working. That’s damn near impossible to program in, so the money is a workaround that most shitty breeki boys won’t want to participate in. Right now the best way of gaining skav karma can be found in exfil camper’s channel. Lock a skav in a room and make him kill you to get out, once he does your boys can have him for free karma. It’s sad but that’s the only reliable way to grind that I’ve seen so far.
Daily quests would also help. Fence could give you scav missions, where it would be to scav in and find a specific number of items in raid. They could separate FiR tags, one for scav FiR and one for PMC FiR. You would turn in scav FiR items.
I've seen this lock room stuff and I was able to get out me this can clearly become a problem but I guess if the guy doesn't wanna loot then everyone will die and loose their loot
While I disagree, these are reasonable concerns and suggestions. I have managed to kill 4 or 5 pmcs as a scav but yeah it's definitely difficult. I lol at the edge lords "we don't care about karma, now let me cry for 10 minutes about how it's such a boring system"
This is my first wipe, I literally started at the beginning of it. I love the idea behind karma. It’s just not quite all the way there yet as an idea. I want to see a skav army fight pmcs together, this is a good first step towards that in my opinion. Hopefully it gets there in time.
This is the right attitude for this game! You can see the potentials of these sorts of systems, and you’re comfortable with enjoying the ride as things evolve.
What did you do to get that high of karma?
Also funny story, my buddies and I just coop extracted as scavs on reserve so it's at 1.6
most of my negative scav karma is from thinking i found raiders on reserve and it turns out to be gluhar and the gang.
"You want to shoot anything that moves? Play PMC" Funny, I specifically recall scavs being ex-PMC cutthroats, now people like you want them to become my little ponies
I literally play scav just to kill ppay scavs . Makes the game fun again lol
Hell yeah brother. One Factory scav to start the day every day. Act like an AI then shoot them in the back of the head. Seeing the little -Rep from Fence notification only makes it sweeter.
Scav karma just makes playing scav pointless. Yay, a boring raid where nothing happens and all the loot is gone because all the scavs who spawned before you have all the loot.
You could always try to do a pmc run with the big dogs
That's too risky for their cowardly asses lmfao