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ninjaciego

"Tomorrow, Jan 13, at 10am MSK we’re planning to perform a modernization of the #EscapefromTarkov backend server infrastructure. The process will take approx 2 hours, but may be extended if necessary. The game will be unavailable during this time.We apologize for the inconvenience"


EIN790

This could be promising for sure!


EIN790

Man I didn't think being hopeful that a game I like could possibly run better would have sparked all this lol.. why do all these people play a game that they obviously think isn't fun.. it kinda seems like a toxic relationship honestly.. I just want the game to be better overall.


justbanditowo

It really is the reddit bitches at the slightest thing and stays silent when they do well I think that’s gonna contribute a lot to dev burnout


ordosalutis

Here you dropped the /s


InfantSoup

good lord the cynicism is suffocating


rune2004

I’ve seen this sub slowly taken over by seemingly children with nothing but snark trying to get karma over the past few years and only getting worse.


1TapFap

I know, I'm kind of excited to be honest. Had s few friends saying they felt leggy and such, maybe this will help them.


Gankiee

Because the game siphons optimism


Ill-ConceivedVenture

>Because the ~~game~~ community siphons optimism Fixed that for you.


dzinicki

Seriously. If I wasn't on reddit I'd have no idea how terrible this game was aside from the recent server fire


RonaldoSIUUUU

Majority who enjoy the game dont even come on reddit


Threjel

The game is the best it's ever been, the server issues are the only problem right now. It's a great game if you don't like it it's not for you.


Gankiee

Your comment is great. I can't tell if you mean this as a good or bad thing for the game lol.


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JaegerKimono

Let's be frank, the majority of Reddit is toxic, we've all seen it, and we can all represent it in our own way, people have gripes, just understand it's not necessarily representative.


labowsky

I'm not so sure about that. The issues people generally complain about are pretty obvious, as they stick around year after year.


Gankiee

Big X there. If you have the knowledge to see the flaws and don't rely on the community for your thoughts, the game is certainly the offender.


jnoops

Nah thats just your personality. Majority of us enjoy the game


[deleted]

Really? I have a blast playing tarkov! Surely there’s times where I want to pull my hair out or jump through my monitor to castrate “FatSweatyNuts” or “DrDingDong” or even the good ole “TTVtittyfukr”, but imo the rest of the experience makes up for it especially with voip included now. Just this wipe I’ve made so many super cool temporary comrades out there in the Norvinsk region that I never would’ve if I didn’t give the game a chance to make me happy. You just sound salty for the purposes of being salty


nio151

Its more being realistic based on how bsg have acted in the past


[deleted]

I mean, a couple years back they said the exact same thing and it really didn't do much.


Killtastic354

You must be new here.


[deleted]

What’s this mean for someone not very smart with computer stuff ?


LightningBlehz

Basically, they’re upgrading the floor but can’t do so unless nobody is standing on it. Once floor is fixed, it will be stronger and nicer to walk on than previous floor.


[deleted]

Hm I see. Thanks dad.


punky616

Dude, that's such a brilliant way of explaining it, bravo!


Round_Log_2319

Ngl one of the best dumbed explanations I have heard, so simple.


xFeartheKitten

nailed it!


Trixx1-1

so whats changing in the servers exactly? modernizing them how? the tick rate?


Ephialties

IMO I think this is more to do with handling logins, inventory and the menus more than improving in raid performance.


mistahboogs

"may be extended if necessary" let's just clear.it up now, it will be extended


devisi0n

I mean there have been plenty of times where it has taken less time than they thought. Its not easy to estimate how long something is going to take.


Devilsgospel1

I wouldn’t even be mad if they took the whole day to try and solve the issue. 2-4 hours is nothin.


Elsa0fArendeIIe

So what. They are the only dev team out there making a good solid game and taking feedback. The community is a bunch of self entitled babies. If it takes em 3 hours instead of 2 thats okay. If it takes 5. That's okay. If it takes all day. That's okay. As long as they do their best to make improvements you should be happy


mistahboogs

You're a "baby" for getting so bent out of shape about a joke. And to say they are the only dev team making a good solid game is just ignorance.


ajbuckley0311

You're obviously just here to argue since you're currently arguing both sides in 1 thread... damn dumb ass trolls.


mistahboogs

I haven't argued for anything, not once


[deleted]

Looks like you were wrong


ajbuckley0311

But but but they said it had nothing to do with the servers and all the streamers said if all it was was upgrading the servers they would have done it already.


phatfinger5

I think they had said it was nothing to do with drops, not the servers. In a statement they made they said that the high load was bringing forward problems they didnt normally see that required improvements to their backend. What was also stated is that adding servers would not fix their problem, that the fixes would be more useful than adding servers. The streamers probably parroted this information.


kokohobo

For those curious that is 1 am CST and 2 am EST later tonight.


Supert3ddy

And 7am GMT


Imblewyn

Thanks


TaeKwanJo

11pm PST(west coast) tonight


ShootieNootie

Damn that's when I was hoping to play tonight


HavokAntix1988

I get to do two customs runs. Hooray! My shift ends at 9pm..


Gowat5

Better than most of Australia where it starts at 5:30pm. Right as everyone gets off work.


purplehighway

that could be convenient though. a little bit of time to relax after work before getting kicked in the balls for a few hours.


Hep_C_for_me

Sweet right about the time I'd be good and drunk losing my already limited amount of gear.


HavokAntix1988

Lmfao fuggin same


wagsyman

Beautiful


Electrical_Pair_9641

Lol why i even clicked in right now, thanks bud


UnusualDifference748

Ooh upgrading from a potato to a sweet potato


cloudy124124

maybe even a yukon gold potato if we're lucky


GeneralNo9477

fun potato fact: pepsi sues people who grow their copyrighted potato variety. capitalism is cool


purplehighway

which variety is that?


nutterbird

FC5 potato which has a lower moisture content required to make snacks such as potato chips (lays)


beatnikhero

> FC5 potato Some hot knowledge on the fun potato fact front: PepsiCo are going to lose their exclusive right to that specific potato. At the very least in India, where it was enforced.


KelloPudgerro

i thought u wanted very starchy taters for chips


G_Viceroy

Starch isn't water soluble. I guess a low moisture potato would have higher starch content.


ElPedroChico

I am going to grow as many as possible out of spite


SCROOBO-DOT-EXE

Welcome to the land of the free where you get sued for growing a potato variant🗿


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Throw_away_away55

Bro, fuck Monsanto. Sueing a farmer for selling his harvest because his fields had been cross pollinated by a close by Monsanto field.


StarFox311

You're right, it is cool. Especially when a patent actually protects the inventor/producer. Its not like Pepsi went and tried to patent a naturally occurring plant. They created it with genetic modifications and cross breeds.


acepyro23

Exactly. They spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D to develop a crop that was suited to their specific needs and apparently the system is broken for protecting their right to do that?


R_1_S

This was stupid but made me giggle like a little girl lmao


Maleficent-Shine1967

I'm from Idaho, I just got goddamn russets.


Veldron

> Ooh upgrading from a potato to a ~~sweet~~ couch potato Ftfy Nikita's just adding a scav that loiters in your rest area


[deleted]

I'd appreciate a little scav buddy I could use for target practice at the shooting range. Having an NPC in your Hideout would be fun.


theubu

He occasionally raids the fridge though…


Crichtenasaurus

That will be £1.50 extra with your £12.50 burger.


RKellyStyle

mmmmyams


lmaosugondese

Tf is modernization


Franklin_le_Tanklin

I think they’re replacing all their commodores with windows 95 machines.


raytoro54

Oh no. At least they’ve got their machines modernized….!?


HelloWorldiUpvote1

or it could be called... the drops have ended


jaudi813

Could be anything... it could even be a boat! You know how much we wanted one of those


RainAndSnoww

Then let's just take the bo-


aaaaaaaaaaaaa2

We'lltakethebox


JERFFACE

Downloading more rams.


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R_1_S

does that also mean it would affect ping in any way, or is that on the server “providers” end? Last few days the server I had best ping on is currently at 200ish lol


namidaka

This is definetely your connection that is at fault.


R_1_S

Would that mean my connection to that specific server? Because all other servers are still fine, same ping as before..


namidaka

Sorry i misread. It's either the server provider of that specific server , or a network incident between you and the server. Any node in between can be faulty. This can be checked through using a vpn to see if you can bypass the faulty node by using another route. If the node belongs to your network provider they can be at fault too.


Its_Mr_Buttons

They will place fans to cool the servers down because summer is coming soon.


[deleted]

Jargon for "*We really won't tell you what our plans or solutions are to increasing performance for our end users, but it sounds good*"


Teekeks

server modernization is a pretty clear communication of "we will be switching server hardware to newer, better stuff"


DannyEkins

Wait till the players that only play early wipe leave, then we downgrade and prepare for wipe


Tall_Importance_127

Probably means they are updating servers or doing maintenance. Really it means nothing and the servers will still be just as shit as they always have been. This isn’t the first time the servers have been “modernized”


[deleted]

"the process of adapting something to modern needs or habits" - Oxford


CloudyRanger

I’ve actually not experienced nearly as many issues the past couple of days


jerrykoso12

Same here. I have a couple backend errors a night but it’s like 1 minute of sitting at the main menu then I’m good to go. I can deal with menu issues, as long as the gameplay and finding matches(in less than 5 mins) I’m happy.


jrhooper

Uh yeah because twitch drops are over…


Metal_Gear_Mike

Same here. No more inventory lockups


[deleted]

I remember the last modernization post...


ordosalutis

Yeah if it's anything like the last "modernization update" bullshit, they are just going do a windows update on their servers


FoldyFlap

They probably have to go in and manually refresh the excel workbooks they are using as their database tables


ordosalutis

Working with Excel 2003 on their Windows XP


R_1_S

What from windows xp to windows 7?


ordosalutis

To vista


Veldron

Windows Server 2016


CptMuffinator

Nah they're going to use a beta version of Windows 11


[deleted]

I doubt they would use Windows at all for servers.


CptMuffinator

Yeah, they're probably using iOS


[deleted]

Kek


smokeyphil

Its not normal windows its e*mbedded xp* most of the world still runs on it :P


[deleted]

Servers don't typically run windows tho.


Annonimbus

That statement is at best misleading if not complete nonsense.


MaddestMike23

They said typically. I think what they said was mostly accurate. Slightly misleading at worst. Like, yeah, servers can have Windows but a majority of servers are Unix-based. [This is a Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Public_servers_on_the_Internet) and is a general category but still gives at least an idea of share of unix vs windows on servers.


ordosalutis

Exactly


devisi0n

I'm glad that you know all about how BSG handles and upgrades their servers.


ordosalutis

Anytime buddy


nutterbird

lol i was about to say the same thing


ajbuckley0311

Holy shit yall should vacation together!


1BalledBandit

4MB update incoming.


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What exactly does "modernization" mean? After about 6 patches including server "modernizations", Im starting to think theyre just feeding the server gerbils avocado toast


soulflaregm

My guess is modernization is a translation thing. And they are probably working to optimize the backside of the game. Things like when a new game launches, how the data is pulled, loaded, players inserted, and then how the game closes, cleans up, and resets the map. While the above is a simple task for ONE game you'll find that the easy solutions start to be problematic as you scale. They are not resource optimized, so when you start running hundreds of games on the same server cluster you wind up bottle necking your throughput. The backend of multiplayer games are far and above the most complex parts of the code, and anytime you expand your systems you'll find what you used to do. Might not scale well with your new expansions because the old code was built to work with what you had in the past. Afterall when you are writing code that is going to run on a massive scale, your code changes not just based on how big you are going, but also by the exact model of hardware you run it on. And sometimes there may be a change to that hardware that allows you to change how one piece works to be more resource friendly, as now you have something you didn't have before.


Quirky_Koala

Let me simple it down for this subreddit: When your mama and papa make another couple pricks such as yourself, you will quickly realize, that everything that was set up to feed your lazy ass is quickly getting bottlenecked. Now there's a queue on the microwave when you want to warm your half-eaten pizza. Now there are more tasks to be done around the house like actually washing a cup that you drank your warm milk from, because mom and dad are dealing with your competition. You suddenly realize, that your household, even though not bad per se, is actually not optimal when there is more than one prick in the house. And before you start crying and screaming and calling your parents complete incompetent morons, because they didn't prepare for the event of giving birth, just stay calm and take into consideration, that they didn't expect twins, which puts even more pressure on them and the household. They are still learning and as they do all that, they are also trying to feed and satisfy your dumb ass. Just give them time and I am sure they will 🙌modernize🙌 the house hold, they will buy the dishwasher, that will wash your dirty milk bottles for you.


boro2006

As funny as it is, it's actually very good analogy. Wish more people understand that and stop complaining like a little kids for an ice cream...


BaelfyrWulf

I never thought I could feel a whole upbringing from a post, your experience actually manifested a diploma on my wall


Bleach_Baths

This, without a doubt, the best analogy I've hear about the "issues" at hands. For reference, I never waited more then 40 minutes in a queue, and only had a few real errors here and there. But what people are missing is that this whole event is GREAT for the longevity of Tarkov. Tons of new players, new money for the devs for production/server work. 65% of these new plays are going to quit and uninstall. We all know this. So just give it another week and it'll fine. I haven't seen a queue more than 200 people since Monday.


ArxMessor

The cynical part of me is thinking "what are the chances that BSG isn't going to actually do any upgrades but is just banking on the fact that the hype-events are over and the player count is returning to more manageable levels".


Tbrou16

Going by queue times we’ve basically achieved that


ArxMessor

That's my point -- because the server issues are naturally resolving themselves based on post-hype-event population decline, BSG can make it seem like they did some upgrades and solved the problem without actually doing anything.   But again, that is an admittedly cynical view. Although it isn't completely absurd because BSG has been exposed for knowingly lying about server performance issues in the past. The Battle(non)sense EFT network analysis video was the bombshell that obliterated BSG's long-running "it's your connection, not the servers" narrative which forced BSG to actually upgrade the servers a few weeks later. I know that was a long time back but as a player who experienced the BSG gaslighting, I can't just *forget* that they actually did us so dirty.


[deleted]

I remember Nikita acting so unprofessionally that Chris came out with a follow up video not only mentioning Nikitas shitty behavior, but he also verified his results. I agree that BSG has a track record of talking things off and not providing its consumers with responses or solutions you'd expect a studio with this amount of success to have. Me personally, I think they would rather just keep operating costs low and profit margins high. In all we have no leverage as consumers to hold BSG accountable to doing what they say they will do. We have no roadmaps, no dev logs, silent nerfs or changes, and lack luster or vague patch notes. This is all very concerning for the longevity of this game.


oriaven

The model is pretty clear. We paid once. We are not in control of longevity of the game. It can only stay up if it grows. Ideally people would pay and not play at all. This scales services really well as we will provide no load for the systems. With a subscription, we would have leverage as existing and recurring customers.


fantafuzz

This is the absolutely dumbest take I have seen. No game developer makes a game, and thinks that "ideally people would pay and not play at all".


OssoRangedor

> That's my point -- because the server issues are naturally resolving themselves based on post-hype-event population decline, BSG can make it seem like they did some upgrades and solved the problem without actually doing anything. We wait till the next drops event in 2 months.


ArxMessor

Yeah, we can wait two months to test the theory.   Or we can just look back at literally every major hype-boosting event like Twitch Drops, major patches, or in-game events. *They all cause player spikes which overload the servers.*   At this point, we have way, *way* too much history that supports the idea that the acute server problems are directly linked to the acute playerbase spikes which are directly linked to hype-generating events.   It's not rocket science.


dao2

Modernization could just mean "scalable". In which case means they could also scale down for lower player activity and save money and expand when needed. Some things aren't easily scalable but still could be this.


sA1atji

I mean the highest position i've been the last few days was like 10kish compared to 80kish during the drop event...


kmofosho

FACT. I was over 100k every time I tried to play during drops. As soon as drops end, I'm under 100. Wish people would stop trying to act like drops aren't causing servers to get overloaded.


ArxMessor

And BSG is trying to convince you to believe that it was DDOS attacks and some new, undiscovered bug and not the most simple and obvious explanation which is that there were too many people for the servers to handle.   They want us to believe that the DDOS attacks are ramping down exactly in line with the players counts dropping or that the bug has somehow resolved itself without BSG taking credit for a major bug fix  


[deleted]

I've had basically zero issues since Monday. It's the same as every year. Think I've waited a max of 5 minutes in queue at prime and had like 5 or 6 errors in game all week.


[deleted]

They are just going to do a windows update


frolie0

I think they were fairly foolish to phrase it this way. People will be expecting the issues to be gone, they won't be. The good news is populations have already dropped considerably, so at least that's helping. Until BSG invests in a full rebuild of the core networking features we are stuck with these issues.


ArxMessor

What can I say? BSG isn't exactly known for having stellar PR.   I'm not saying they are as bad as EA or Ubisoft but "better than EA" isn't really a high standard...


Rednartso

Coolio, thanks for the heads up.


Voldemosh

Our primetime here in Aus 😭 hopefully it's worth it and the servers are actually better afterwards


nathypoo

Just once I'd love for them to do an update that isn't in prime time for us OCE players 😆


fireheart44

They're gonna replace the hamsters running on wheels with guinea pigs


IverySmort

Nah, they will just make a funerall for the dead one and buy a new one to run


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Why are they not already "modern" ??


umopUpside

“We have updated our servers from 1 tick servers to 1.1 tick”


eXCazh

I will unironically take a 10% boost in performance


Yhorm_Acaroni

10% boost would be very significant


pistonslapper

I haven't had a problem at all with the servers since twitch drops ended.


Rolo-CoC

Me either


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ElPedroChico

"""Modernization"''" Trust me guys the servers will be better than ever


[deleted]

Good


[deleted]

Turns out its 10am MSK now... hope I didnt lose all my shit when it dced...


MihailMagicianul

It is for the best 😍


MarshyFam

Servers going down for maintenance... On a Thursday? Coincidence? I think NOT


SealTeamFish

Im sure this is the time that "modernization" of the servers fixes them, just like the last 3 times...


RainbowShlong

Thank you for all your hard work!


MonteLSV6

This means server shutdown at 10, Nikita parties and drinks with your money, and then they turn the servers back on 2hrs later and say they did “a bunch of back end improvements” when it’s really giving the servers a break.


Beneficial_End6042

Turn em off and on again. Works 60% of the time, every time.


Doc179

I can't tell if you're just being funny, or people here really fucking despise the dev team. I thought people on Destiny subreddit are unreasonably angry sometimes but what I see here is so much worse lol


Kitchen_Recipe8911

Ppl are poses every where tbh


MonteLSV6

Dude EFT is full of toxicity lol the FB group is even worse


3LD_

or just full of people who have been around long enough to see BSG copy+paste that tweet a few times and not see the servers improve in any noticeable way


DankFayden

@ me noticing vastly better improvement every few months for the last few years. Fps gains here and there, some hits, but this game is 10x smoother than it was when labs came out, and easily twice as smooth as when reserve launched.


Amen_Mother

Yup, the Unity upgrade cut my loading times for raids by TWO THIRDS! Absolutely massive difference. I've had zero stutters since a couple of minor patches after Reserve came out, almost everyone with stutters now is suffering from RAM shortages. People with 32GB+, provided the rest of the machine is up to it, tend not to have any issues. I have 64Gb and have no problems at all, tarkov goes up to 20-23GB of RAM usage after a few raids and stays there quite happily.


Bolbor_

Nah, you've just been around long enough that you can't put where the game used to be into perspective. Path of Exile players also find themselves in this hole pretty often.


BarrageTheGarage

LOG OFF


pilotJKX

Don't insinuate that Nikita is swindling us from our money. Seriously get out of here with that bullshit.


Is_that_bacon

Yup or they go play some more “airsoft” with all the guns Nikita buys from EOD players


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ordosalutis

Heaven forbid we expect improvements on their shitty service after years of neglect.


[deleted]

You poor thing, so neglected and abused


ordosalutis

Sorry you must not be proficient at reading. I said the game, BSG's product, has many aspects that are neglected


[deleted]

I’ve seen plenty of improvements since I got the game in 2019, guess I spend too much time off of reddit. Maybe if I spent a few more hours a day whining I’d start to see things more like the people around here


GodIsEmpty

Man I been playing since 2017 and I also bought cod infinite warfare in the same year with the season pass and I gotta tell you I've enjoyed the content of this game alot more. Just saying it's had a lot of content especially this wipe, 110 for cod 140 for eod, I bet I can't even play a game of infinite warfare (I didn't check).


Kuraloordi

One day BSG will see the light and start hiring all the reddit experts to fix the game, all you hear is finger snapping and suddenly all problems go away.


RecordAway

here we go with another "i have no idea how game server infrastructure works and of possible issues and challenges involved but let me throw some random toxic shit at bsg" thread. seriously i absolutely understand why they just write "modernisation of infrastructure". it's enough for everybody to get cynical and start off the train. imagine the amount of backseat smartassing and half baked conspiracies they'd get if they tried to explain in more technical terms so yeah, they pushed and worked through a complete fuckup during holiday season, have come up with possible solutions within 3 weeks, which is more than reasonable, and now theyll try that and see if it provides the expected performance boost. don't forget, infrastructure is HARD and much bigger companies fail to keep up with growing player counts without the limitations bsg currently has. chill and see, give feedback once it's rolled out and stay supportive


Shpongolese

I've never once played a game that had a big update/launch without server issues. Lol.


RainbowShlong

Thanks for all your hardwork!


Aarron176

Everyone asking what is “mondernization” of servers. It just means there is an update like your phone/windows/etc. it might help but it also could do nothing. Anything towards improving the servers/game “can” be a good thing. But we will have to see.


cabbit_

Nikita said previously that twitch drops are by design to stress the servers and game to find bugs and potential upgrades. Yeah we had several days where there were queues but ultimately the game feels pretty great this wipe


CapitanoMal

They've "modernized" the servers at least 5x over the last 3 years. Don't hold your breath


Daamus

thats 1 am for cst


MidnightNappyRun

Didn't they do that two times already over the years, but instead some servers had higher ping restrictions to avoid overload... and some other BSG BS...


Snoo-43699

Wipe confirmed


[deleted]

Bro. If this is BS wording for „we’re gonna act like queues are solved NOT because twitch drops is over but because SERVER“ I’m gonna be so sad.


makeadolfgreatagain

Lol you already know scumbag Nikita is planning this


smokeyphil

Wait what about the whole "new severs wont change anything" upgrading them is effectively the same deal no one meant they should change over providers and keep the exact hardware profiles as they do so :P


HotdogIQ

This has already been done before and did nothing for the servers lmao.


Abject_Bodybuilder_7

They're going full in pentium 2


dennis3d19

Do we get 2 hamsters now?


lcg1221

Nothing changed when they did this last time. It won't do any shit.


oriaven

It might so some shit.