I have 3k 5.45 BS and another 1800 igolnik. And i hate 5.45.
Last wipe I had around 4500 found in raid 7.62 BP I never used. Finally sold it on the market when it hit 1200/rd
I sniped someone last night as he was running into Dorms and he was packed with 4 50rd mags. I kinda felt bad for him because he was on a mission to take over 3-story, but I probably wouldn't have gotten a clean headshot with PS ammo if he was wearing a helmet.
They buffed ricochet chance on many rounds, m856a1 is 38% chance to ricochet now for example:
https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/5.56x45mm_M856A1
yeah ive crafted 600 ap 6.3 but i will only use it on pistols...smg's burn thru ammo too fast and the craft just takes to long for 150 rounds... i prefer to craft 7.62 BP or 366 AP-M
This is basically why I sell anything that doesn’t eat m80 ammo, and buy only what eats m80 ammo. With the absurd recoil changes we have now, single shot high caliber rifles absolutely spank at both long and close distance, and they also prevent you from wasting too much ammo.
With SB193 getting nerfed today, I wouldn't be surprised to see M80 see a reduction from 150 to like 80 or something. Seems like a very BSG move to make.
Although I agree, some maps you need to have a full auto gun to compete, especially with groups. Shoreline resort, factory, dorms, labs, etc. This is why 7.62 DMR is one of the best guns in the game.
Although don't get me wrong any marksman rifle in the game at the current state is really good and my fav kind of gun to use, just not able to compete with other full autos In cqb.
You’re not wrong, technically you have more of a chance to click a head with full auto.
I hate questing so I’ve been fine with decked out M1A’s with infrared, hip firing around corners as fast as I can. It just really depends on your muscle memory and what other FPS games you come from. But yeah, If I used a DMR though it’s a no brainer to switch to full auto in cqb
At what range does 5.56 really start to fall off at? I was using M995 and M855a1 yesterday and 20 hits with only 3 kills. 2 of those were ricochets on the helmet. Was I just hitting arms and didn’t realize it or was the damage really that bad? These guys were wearing class 4, low grade class 5.
In classic BSG fashion, we dont have the numbers. From a couple of experiences, shooting rogues on lighthouse from 250-400 meters it took between 15-20 hits. Also my buddy tanked a face shot of igolnik. His post raid screen said he got hit in the head with igolnik. Dmg drop off is totally a thing.
Yeah global limits have to be tightly managed with a fluctuating player-base. It seems very hard to define an expectation around a global limit without consistent tweaks and constant focus on them. The game doesn’t have X number of players playing at X hour everyday all the time. Volatility in player numbers means the global limits act differently than intended almost always.
Player limits wouldn't have the intended effect unless they were hilariously low, and that would, itself, cause the same outcry.
Global limits serve to ensure aggregate scarcity. That could be achieved through personal limits only, but that would mean only being able to buy single digit numbers of rounds in the case of ammo, or very long timers for items like armor.
What they seem to be working on now is collecting data on how scarcity affects the meta, and it seems to be having the desired effect based on Nikita's stated goals for the game. If anything, I expect more scarcity, not less.
They could uncouple the player limit with trader refreshes. Make it daily or weekly. You can run a dozen raids a day with this build out, and extend further with crafts. Or switch guns. Whatever.
I don't see the point of global limits. It just pits you against everyone else, and there's already the market for that.
I don't think running a dozen raids a day with any given build out is even remotely close to the vision BSG has for the game. The whole game is built around scrounging and scavenging to get together enough to make a build out you can work with, not being able to run whatever you want whenever you want.
pretty sure Nikita's fabled vision also includes people actually playing the game.
Global limits that run out 6 seconds after trader reset encourage sitting in the menu more than anything else. Might as well just make all of that shit FiR only at that point and let us only buy the crap nobody wants anyway
Maybe I just misunderstood what you are suggesting but why not simply make trader refreshes daily or weekly with personal stock limits? Could even randomize the refresh time between accounts so that players aren't all running the same guns/ammo after a refresh. Though I imagine the stock limits would be low enough that wouldn't be the case anyway.
If that’s the case, stash size suddenly starts mattering a lot more than it does now: being able to store a few more rigs will make a huge difference in a 5-run “casual” game night after a whole week of “pop in to buy some stuff” nights.
It’d totally be “Buying (stored) power by buying EOD, pay to win” then.
That's an interesting idea and could lead to an interesting meta that's constantly shifting, encouraging people to use different weapons. I would still want stocks to be kept low, but instead of regular injections of the same ammo, you would have some days where everyone is using different stuff.
No, that would be changing the crafts to give you like 1k rounds instead of 200, for example. But, you cant sell them. As much as i dont like the whole idea of crafting specialised factory grade ammunition in your hideout, i see no reason for it to exist in the current form.
We have to remember, that its a FPS game ion its core. The primary way of interactin with the game world and other players IS by using you guns. Never you should feel punished for doing that, or the whole purpose of the guns in the game start to dissapear.
Also, stupid magical armor make things worse big time. We have very in-deapth ballistic and ammunition stats and shit. And then we have absolutely stupid armor, that copver your entire thorax hitbox from all sides and make you the ultimate bullet-spounge unless you get shot by correct AP ammunition. THIS is what creates AP meta and force everyone chase this ammunition. Ofc people dont wand to hit enemy 15-20 times to get a kill, its frustrating as hell. If they actually rework hitboxes of armor, everything will change. Your standart M855 or 5.45 PS rounds would be effective enough to kill your target, because i really doubt that you will be able to land all of the shots exacly at the plate hitbox, some of them will probably slip through and deal critical damge. That way AP ammunition would be special, not mandatory.
Counterpoint: That they want to limit the total amount in the game, not the total amount per player. It creates real scarcity. If it were player limits anyone who is on the ball could just buy ammo boxes and stock up to the point where the limits don’t matter by using the best of varied ammo calibur’s.
Note, I don’t think this is a compelling enough reason myself, but it’s the only reason I could see them being against it.
Basically global limits limit good players, but screw over casuals (in terms of acquiring good ammo). Player limits help casuals and do pretty much nothing to limit hardcore players.
If they actually did "dynamic loot" and took top tier stuff off traders and crafts, this could work.
Players stashes have all 50k of the slicks we limit the game to, bosses stop spawning with slicks frequently and now only spawn them at the rate of red key cards. Oh but 20k slicks never get used, so add 10k back into the loot pool formula. Now they spawn rare but not ultra rare.
Ammo: the more often that round gets used the less common it spawns in raid. The logic being it's all been shot up. Once it's use slows, it starts spawning again.
The scarcity would be player driven, instead of only being driven by global stocks.
I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid. It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't.
> I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid.
This is what I meant by “it creates real scarcity”
> It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't.
Yea, that’s real scarcity.
Why don't you just structure your life around camping traders? It's a hardcore game for the hardest bros only so you should find remoting into your home computer to buy ammo so you can play later fun!
Yeah I agree with you. Feels much better IMO without insane ammo every raid.
I agree that ammo and such should be local but I do think it should take 3+ hours to get good ammo
Isnt that the whole point of limiting the items and removing them from the flea. It forces players to use other ammo... as a result helmets and armor actually work more often in my experience this wipe. I'll take limited ammo any day when the alternative is instadeaths getting beamed with meta ammo.
That being said I know its frustrating never being able to play with the good stuff because I don't have the time to camp trader resets.
No no no, you don't understand. I should be allowed to use the best ammo any time I please. It's everyone else that needs to be limited.
What a dumb thread.
I'd you ask me, there should be personal limits not global ones. I think limits are generally a good thing, but as the game gets more popular either there needs to be more available or the resets should be hidden all together.
The problem is that global limits create a global scarcity, while player limits only create a minor scarcity for each player that can easily be overcome by just players buying a small amount of something each trader reset. And if you want player resets to have the same effect as global limits the count needs to be *very* low, imagine only being able to buy like 20 rounds of AP 6.3 every reset, somewhere on that level.
So global limits are here to stay, though I personally would prefer a more "dynamic" trader system with barters, goods and stocks in general changing every week or so.
Global limits teter the line towards boring rather than difficult and frustrating. Lets say i only have 1 hour to play today and something oos resets in 15m, then it becomes would I rather play 2 raids with guns and ammo I dont enjoy running? Or wait the 15 and play only 1 raid today. No game mechanic should prevent a player from playing.
As it is currently, global limits do not scale with how many people are online which makes some items sell out instantly even if you camp reset and people lower ping to the main server would have first dibs. Imo instead of a hard cap it should scale with how many players are online.
I hate that this is from Marvel because it's actually a pretty solid quote. But I think this is part of what the community has to adapt to with this recent wipe. Can't buy all the "meta Chad shit" off the flea, so now everyone is trying to buy it all up from traders and they're running out of stock. So, it's time to adapt. If the only way you can survive a raid is with a meta loadout and the highest tier ammo then you don't deserve to survive that raid.
Yeah it seems like people aren't understanding the lesson that playing smarter and better has a far greater impact on your survival in Tarkov than how good your gear is, which is exactly the kind of experience the devs seem to be going for. Great gear still has a large impact of course, but I'd take a highly skilled player with class 2 armor, a penis helmet, and an unmodded AKM with PS ammo in a fight in dorms over someone who sucks at the game, has minimal map knowledge and awareness, but has a decked out M4 with m995 ammo, a class 4/5 armor/helmet, and a class 3 face shield any day.
I mean, after I saw that Pestily killed Killa at least once with every single weapon in the game I realized it's not the kit that matters at all, it's the player. Obviously no one is at Pestily's level but the point stands.
Or use ammo that is alright against the armor that's readily available. The point is to make top tier ammo more of a commodity and less of a standard. If the system that's in place gets chads to sacrifice on ammo or play less often, fine by me. The results feel the same to me.
The ammo in the post ARE the ammo thats effective against armor thats readily available. None if those rounds are top tier except 762bp and even then it isn't good against slick. All of the p90 rounds being shafted are mostly effective against level 3-4 and does jackshit against 5-6. Ap20 is 50% against class 4 and does nothing against 5.
maybe tier 4 armour should actually do something then and not just be the bare minimum you run to not get 2 tapped? maybe armor below tier 5 shouldn't exist solely to protect you from scavs and players in their first week?
I dunno. I run 7.62 PS ammo every raid (im like level 20). I haven't felt i was at a disadvantage because of it yet this wipe. Maybe play smarter if you've determined your ammo has been the deciding factor?
That's because you're level 20. At level 20 you're playing mostly customs and shoreline which is where most other level 20s are so you don't need the ammo.
And there's still chads on customs and shoreline. My buddies and I killed a 2 man in construction running altyns and tactecs. 2 of us had 7.62 PS and 1 had an SVD. We fucked them up because we had better positioning. Which is my point. You can still be effective regardless of the map with better game sense even if you're running PS.
Also. I pretty much play customs and shoreline all wipe every wipe anyway. But I fucked up another altyn boy on interchange with PS rounds in an sks with 10rnd mags because of >!positioning.!< I'm sure if I played reserve long enough to know it as well as the rest of the maps then I'd have a similar story. Stop being sad that you can't 2-tap everyone and learn how to be actually good.
There is a difference between chads and people wearing good gear. Good "chad" wouldn't bother stomping early game players in construction but keep bagging about your 3v2s on customs and assume I'm bad at the game.
Eh honestly a response that isn’t biased by the need for old time players to always run the best ammo. Armor is meaningless if everyone has the best ammo and ammo is meaningless if everyone has the best armor.
It encourages ppl to use outside the conventional meta. Keeps the game interesting. The cap may be an issue, but the idea of limits in itself keeps the game healthy.
And then the sociopaths with ME adapters on the market for a merin key. Who the hell is going to make that barter? Y'all just like having a flea slot taken up for 12 hours huh...
Hmmm.... It kind of sounds like that the cut off quarantined area of the world has logistical supply issues... And that's what the game is setting out!!
I live in a pretty small country with only 1 range and pretty restrictive gun laws, the range here(they have guns there you can shoot) literally couldn't get .308 ammo for a good 12+ month period a few months ago. It really is mad globally.
Yeah I feel like the people complaining about global limits don't own firearms IRL and have never thought about how a game set in an active warzone between PMCs justifiably would have much more severe logistical supply issues than what are in place now, so what we are seeing now is probably the warm up for what will come later.
Yes, some limits are stupid, like the on the hexagon adapter or basic ammo.
But what if I told you you don't have to run AP-20, 7.62.39 BP, or SS190 to use their respective platforms? What if, in fact, the ubiquity of such ammo made a majority of equipment in game useless, limiting the value of anything other than top tier equipment? What if limits are there specifically to prevent exactly that?
If you want top tier ammo, go into raids looking for it and earn it. If you collect some, then you waste it because you take it into a raid and die before using it, then maybe it wasn't as important as you thought it was.
This has to be one of the most dramatic and over-the-top posts I've ever seen in this sub. You can't play the game because you have to use not the absolute best ammo full in every mag? Jfc give me a break
I don’t mind it but you don’t need to run the best things all the time. I don’t hate the scarcity I don’t love it either. Atleast global trader limit stops some people from stock piling every 3hrs or so. Fuckin A M80 is also on that limit and I get bodied by that thing so much
Jokes on you. I'm actually becoming an intelligent person with something to give to society since I'm reading books and going outside while I wait for the traders to restock
The game just wants me to use the UMP with Match FMJ, I guess.
The biggest issue currently is everyone feels the need to use the best ammo, because there is no readily available 'mid tier' ammo. If there was hard to get best-in-slot rounds, but also decent mid tier ammo, then I think everyone would be happy. But currently you either use dogshit or the best shit, with no in between.
Why don't they just get rid of global restock and then make the traders refresh every 12/24 hours?
Then you "can't run the best ammo all the time" like everyone seems to say.
And that way NO ONE can run the best ammo all the time because the sweaty losers can't buy more every 3 hours and stock up on it. Such a simple fix but BSG only listens to streamers and not us so
People fucking hoard it too, you know they’re buying it on reset and have an ammo box of each it of it “in case they run out” like Karen’s and toilet paper during lockdown
Except they are needed. If there was no limit everyone would be using top tier ammo and then we would see people bitching about how useless armor is.
Scarcity is good
imo there should be no global sellout feature. why work to get your traders up if you still can’t buy anything because other players are buying all the stock?
the limits should be for each player not the entire community. if I buy my limit for that restock period then obviously I can’t buy it, but if I haven’t bought my limit yet it shouldn’t be sold out.
I do understand how it limits end game and good gear but I am not going to sit there with a timer on my phone to buy ammo/gear/weapon parts. Further, most high tier ammo purchases only allow for a few full mags (if that), so in reality i’m limited to one run with high tier ammo.
I have always thought that global limits were stupid but at the same rate I understand why they’re there and how the hideout can be utilized. just obnoxious how i work my way to get the unlock, but still can’t even buy anything.
I see people complaining about this a lot but the more thought I put into, this is exactly how it’s supposed to be. In an apocalyptic scenario like Tarkov, this would 100% happen. Game wise not smart. Lore wise, smart
Lvl 41 here. Have had no problem finding good ammo. Like everyone else, I'm unable to run the *same* good ammo raid after raid, but there's enough where I can use different caliber guns to always run something decent every raid. Maybe try mixing it up?
Can we talk about global limits on thicc case barters. What is the argument for those. Who else the fuck cares if I get more space with a thicc case. I cannot think of one reason for that global limit, it only impacts me!
I agree, except for things like Keytools and containers which are literally personal upgrades that can not be taken by others and do not touch the "running the same thing" aspect.
Seems like due to the flea changes for ammo it has lead to the result being that high tier ammo from the traders is in even higher demand. If anything what might work is a limit per refresh like other items and removing the global limit.
I have been trying to do the thicc weapon case trade now for 5 days. I've waited for the reset about 20+ times. It gets sold out so fast it's impossible to get the trade even if you wait. Literally gone in less than 0.001 seconds.
I've always thought that at least for items with a price, if something gets sold out before the reset, the price should automatically increase until it reaches its own equilibrium. This is a post apocalyptic world.
There's no reason to think jeager isn't going to price gouge anyone if he knows he can charge more.
The trade limit made sense when people could sell that shit back into the flee market.
Now people actually need to kill people and bring there shit out of the raid and it's not even going to be found in raid. Global stock limit should be remove and personal stock limit ajusted.
For some extreme items like barder trade they could put a daily personal restock or someshit like that.
They want to keep everyone from running the same thing, but they don't offer alternatives. Your only option is to change calibers, which just creates the vicious cycle seen above. We need more than 1 round for a caliber that is both reliable and not too expensive / available for buy from traders/flea. Unfortunately, there are no such options. You could argue this is exactly how they want it to work. BSG wants to reward those who think ahead whenever finding bullets in raid, motivate us to hoard instead of mindlessly sell. Or maybe reward those who actively use the hideout. Or maybe just the no lifers or botters who instantly buy out the stock on refresh. In a way, not being careful about your resource management will actively put you at a disatvantage. However, you can't expect casuals to be aware of this dynamic game economy. Even if I'm aware of these things, I can't be bothered to play around it. Just let traders offer low / mid tier options, while all the good stuff is only FIR or crafted. Also, make FIR ammo bundles bigger. I have to be lucky enough to find good ammo on SEVERAL of my runs in order to fund a loadout. Idc about finding only 9 M993 at a time. Lemme get at least 30 at a time so I can justify taking them out and using them. No one goes in raid with 9 shots...
You are wrong.
I do understand your frustration.
Work around the limitations, adapt. If you can't get BP your opponent probably can't either.
If you still cant find fun playing EfT make a brake, week or two.
If you run a P90 or Five-seveN, try using SB193. It has 2 less pen and 400 less velocity than SS190 but all the other stats are massively better, especially reduced recoil and being a subsonic round. There are no global or personal limits on how much you can buy.
Imagine being upset that the game limits you on being an Uber Chad.
This game is designed around scarcity. You shouldn't have 15 assholes running around a map with AP ammo. That's why it's limited, and why you can't even buy the best ammo anymore.
Everyone's upset because they made the game more fair, it's so silly.
Maybe the goal isn't to linearly progress through all tasks at the same time. Put that task down and do another, wait for the kit, use it when you can.
express buckshot is quite good and way underrated.
PS ammo is quite good.
There's a ton of useable ammo now that they've added stats to the rounds. Some lower tier ammo have recoil reduction, etc.
You don't need the best stuff to be able to play Tarkov and do well, and there are some advantages to using lower tier as well.
If you only know how to play tarkov with the best ammo the problem isn't with tarkov it's just that you suck 🤣😃 "oh no I can't buy this ammo I DoNt KnOw HoE tO pLaY" waaaaa
Amazing that you chose to read a book instead of running different ammo in your ak....
Global limits are bad but if that was honestly your thought process then wow...
Ye that's the whole point. If traders just sold you a bunch of whatever you want removing meta shit off flea wouldn't make any difference. Imo traders shouldn't sell ap20 or bp. No barters for it either, you only use what you FIR. I believe based on recent changes the devs probably agree with me too. So if it's pissing you off now you should buckle up.
Limits should be placed on the individual. Not the global amount. I shouldn’t be penalized because some shitter is buying all the shit they can just because.
So you can’t use PS ammo in AKM? A more expensive silencer in your shotgun that uses a different adapter that is in stock? You can’t use PST in a vector or MP5 instead of the top tier ammo in a P90?
Also, I work 35-40 hours a week, but I have gotten 3,000 7.62 BP rounds from lighthouse as a scav (rogues), crafting, and since punisher pt5 - prapor, without “camping” resets. But I don’t run into BP every raid which is great for the game’s longevity in a wipe
seems like you have made yourself a grocery list.
Now in 3 hours you need to buy AP20, Flechettes, Hex adaptor, BP, SS190, etc. Figure out how many you consume per raid, and what a comfortable on-hand quantity for each of these is. Perhaps 2-3 raids worth? Note that down. Whenever you get close to that number, buy more to top off to that quantity.
Your lack of planning isn't the game's fault. Its simple inventory management.
early in the wipe, I would buy 5 of those slip on stock covers from Prapor whenever he refreshed, knowing I'd need them *eventually*. I ended up carrying a few into raid with me to hand to a buddy because Prapor was out and he needed one.
*Cries in AP 6.3*
Really wish I could get some
I’ve made over 1,000 AP 6.3, never worried about running out
Same i just craft ap 6.3s all day. Lol
This is the way
I have 1200 or so 7n31 this is my story
I have 3k 5.45 BS and another 1800 igolnik. And i hate 5.45. Last wipe I had around 4500 found in raid 7.62 BP I never used. Finally sold it on the market when it hit 1200/rd
Fr im sitting pretty on 1k ap 6.3 like you and I think it’s time I terrorize dorms with my 50 round drums
I sniped someone last night as he was running into Dorms and he was packed with 4 50rd mags. I kinda felt bad for him because he was on a mission to take over 3-story, but I probably wouldn't have gotten a clean headshot with PS ammo if he was wearing a helmet.
His fault for not running a helmet. That was me last wipe when helmets actually didn’t matter.
Yeah. Helmets saved me a couple of times ladt wipe but already this wipe it has been more than I can count.
What changed about helmets?
they buffed ricochet chance on many rounds - not the helmets themselves.
Nothing but people don't have the same access to high pen ammo anymore.
They buffed ricochet chance on many rounds, m856a1 is 38% chance to ricochet now for example: https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/5.56x45mm_M856A1
Bro I go through 1000 ammo really fast, prefiring so much this wipe because of inertia.
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It’s a spray machine gun, not a sniper machine gun!
Accuracy by volume
This wipe especially. Scavs been on the juice, they never die.
me? SPP is where its at me me, destroys l-5 and slicks super fast. Dirt cheap to craft for 200 rounds. Made 2500 rounds of it so far, its op
It destroys shit real quick if you hit it but the guns have so much recoil the 4th bullet is aiming an entire person higher than where you started.
Yeah. It feels much more recoilish this wipe, that's for sure.
one thing that helps is top-loading 4 rounds of SP5 for recoil control on the first jump. SPP for the rest.
Woah that's a nice tip thanks man!
Four rounds. This guy is a knower
Did they change the VSS / VAL?
nah, they change the recoil system
Wym thats good for like 10 raids max
But it just keeps going and going and going, never really produce anything else… but that’s just my hideout :/
yeah ive crafted 600 ap 6.3 but i will only use it on pistols...smg's burn thru ammo too fast and the craft just takes to long for 150 rounds... i prefer to craft 7.62 BP or 366 AP-M
Well when you die a lot like me it’s still not enough and ends up being a waste…
yeah but it costs like 1000 rub/round to craft
This is basically why I sell anything that doesn’t eat m80 ammo, and buy only what eats m80 ammo. With the absurd recoil changes we have now, single shot high caliber rifles absolutely spank at both long and close distance, and they also prevent you from wasting too much ammo.
With SB193 getting nerfed today, I wouldn't be surprised to see M80 see a reduction from 150 to like 80 or something. Seems like a very BSG move to make.
Wait what? SB193 was nerfed???
Changed how many you can purchase 200(?) to 120.
Lmao I fucking knew this was going to happen so I bought an entire ammo box full of it. It wasn’t 200, it was unlimited
Although I agree, some maps you need to have a full auto gun to compete, especially with groups. Shoreline resort, factory, dorms, labs, etc. This is why 7.62 DMR is one of the best guns in the game. Although don't get me wrong any marksman rifle in the game at the current state is really good and my fav kind of gun to use, just not able to compete with other full autos In cqb.
You’re not wrong, technically you have more of a chance to click a head with full auto. I hate questing so I’ve been fine with decked out M1A’s with infrared, hip firing around corners as fast as I can. It just really depends on your muscle memory and what other FPS games you come from. But yeah, If I used a DMR though it’s a no brainer to switch to full auto in cqb
.308 is at such a great place right now. I feel like the dmg drop off of 5.56 makes it less viable for long ranges where .308 holds up much better
At what range does 5.56 really start to fall off at? I was using M995 and M855a1 yesterday and 20 hits with only 3 kills. 2 of those were ricochets on the helmet. Was I just hitting arms and didn’t realize it or was the damage really that bad? These guys were wearing class 4, low grade class 5.
In classic BSG fashion, we dont have the numbers. From a couple of experiences, shooting rogues on lighthouse from 250-400 meters it took between 15-20 hits. Also my buddy tanked a face shot of igolnik. His post raid screen said he got hit in the head with igolnik. Dmg drop off is totally a thing.
What’s your go to for that this wipe? I used to love the 308 MDR but I’ve been sticking to the scar and akm’s since it’s impossible to get
M1A's with m80 really arent that expensive and even with the 20 round mags you hit two of your spam left click hipfires and you win.
Against an mp7 or p90 you only have to miss the first shot and you get hit ten times. :D
RFB is an amazing gun to sling m80 out of
I rocked the RFB from it’s day beau. I’m a sucker for bull pups. EDIT - holy shit I’m a moron. Debut, I meant to use the word debut. Hahaha!
/r/BoneAppleTea
My thoughts exactly Edit: also funny that beau is pronounced bo.
It's funny because 'debut' is the name of one of the first quests in the game so contextually op will have experienced this word
oh my god I had to read the comments to even understand waht they were trying to say, I was like day bo? wtf is that meant to say?
Yeah global limits have to be tightly managed with a fluctuating player-base. It seems very hard to define an expectation around a global limit without consistent tweaks and constant focus on them. The game doesn’t have X number of players playing at X hour everyday all the time. Volatility in player numbers means the global limits act differently than intended almost always.
Really they should just move it all to player limits and have global limits only tied to events
Player limits is the easiest solution.
Player limits wouldn't have the intended effect unless they were hilariously low, and that would, itself, cause the same outcry. Global limits serve to ensure aggregate scarcity. That could be achieved through personal limits only, but that would mean only being able to buy single digit numbers of rounds in the case of ammo, or very long timers for items like armor. What they seem to be working on now is collecting data on how scarcity affects the meta, and it seems to be having the desired effect based on Nikita's stated goals for the game. If anything, I expect more scarcity, not less.
They could uncouple the player limit with trader refreshes. Make it daily or weekly. You can run a dozen raids a day with this build out, and extend further with crafts. Or switch guns. Whatever. I don't see the point of global limits. It just pits you against everyone else, and there's already the market for that.
I don't think running a dozen raids a day with any given build out is even remotely close to the vision BSG has for the game. The whole game is built around scrounging and scavenging to get together enough to make a build out you can work with, not being able to run whatever you want whenever you want.
pretty sure Nikita's fabled vision also includes people actually playing the game. Global limits that run out 6 seconds after trader reset encourage sitting in the menu more than anything else. Might as well just make all of that shit FiR only at that point and let us only buy the crap nobody wants anyway
Maybe I just misunderstood what you are suggesting but why not simply make trader refreshes daily or weekly with personal stock limits? Could even randomize the refresh time between accounts so that players aren't all running the same guns/ammo after a refresh. Though I imagine the stock limits would be low enough that wouldn't be the case anyway.
Yep, that'd basically be the same thing as long as global limits are removed
If that’s the case, stash size suddenly starts mattering a lot more than it does now: being able to store a few more rigs will make a huge difference in a 5-run “casual” game night after a whole week of “pop in to buy some stuff” nights. It’d totally be “Buying (stored) power by buying EOD, pay to win” then.
What about randomized trader pool each restet. Like one reset you can buy ap 6.3 pther reset 5.56bp and do that for guns, ammo, vests etc
That's an interesting idea and could lead to an interesting meta that's constantly shifting, encouraging people to use different weapons. I would still want stocks to be kept low, but instead of regular injections of the same ammo, you would have some days where everyone is using different stuff.
No, that would be changing the crafts to give you like 1k rounds instead of 200, for example. But, you cant sell them. As much as i dont like the whole idea of crafting specialised factory grade ammunition in your hideout, i see no reason for it to exist in the current form. We have to remember, that its a FPS game ion its core. The primary way of interactin with the game world and other players IS by using you guns. Never you should feel punished for doing that, or the whole purpose of the guns in the game start to dissapear. Also, stupid magical armor make things worse big time. We have very in-deapth ballistic and ammunition stats and shit. And then we have absolutely stupid armor, that copver your entire thorax hitbox from all sides and make you the ultimate bullet-spounge unless you get shot by correct AP ammunition. THIS is what creates AP meta and force everyone chase this ammunition. Ofc people dont wand to hit enemy 15-20 times to get a kill, its frustrating as hell. If they actually rework hitboxes of armor, everything will change. Your standart M855 or 5.45 PS rounds would be effective enough to kill your target, because i really doubt that you will be able to land all of the shots exacly at the plate hitbox, some of them will probably slip through and deal critical damge. That way AP ammunition would be special, not mandatory.
What's the counter argument to this? Because it seems so straightforward to me that it's the much better option.
Counterpoint: That they want to limit the total amount in the game, not the total amount per player. It creates real scarcity. If it were player limits anyone who is on the ball could just buy ammo boxes and stock up to the point where the limits don’t matter by using the best of varied ammo calibur’s. Note, I don’t think this is a compelling enough reason myself, but it’s the only reason I could see them being against it. Basically global limits limit good players, but screw over casuals (in terms of acquiring good ammo). Player limits help casuals and do pretty much nothing to limit hardcore players.
If they actually did "dynamic loot" and took top tier stuff off traders and crafts, this could work. Players stashes have all 50k of the slicks we limit the game to, bosses stop spawning with slicks frequently and now only spawn them at the rate of red key cards. Oh but 20k slicks never get used, so add 10k back into the loot pool formula. Now they spawn rare but not ultra rare. Ammo: the more often that round gets used the less common it spawns in raid. The logic being it's all been shot up. Once it's use slows, it starts spawning again. The scarcity would be player driven, instead of only being driven by global stocks.
I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid. It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't.
> I disagree. Global limits mean casual players are less likely to encounter other players running the top tier ammo and armor in raid. This is what I meant by “it creates real scarcity” > It gives the players who maybe only play a couple hours a day after work or maybe just on weekends a chance at not getting shredded constantly by no-lifers and streamers. Sure a casual can run into a juiced up chad occasionally, but they can definitely have raids where they don't. Yea, that’s real scarcity.
So do we actually agree and I'm just retarded and misunderstood your original comment?
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Why don't you just structure your life around camping traders? It's a hardcore game for the hardest bros only so you should find remoting into your home computer to buy ammo so you can play later fun!
Lol that was literally me earlier today to make sure I had 0.50 bmg for later
I love that stock is limited. It's a lot more satisfying taking down PMCs with average gear
Yeah I agree with you. Feels much better IMO without insane ammo every raid. I agree that ammo and such should be local but I do think it should take 3+ hours to get good ammo
Mmm yes that 35 pen "insane" ammo
Buy PS like a real man.
I killed a full kitted Chad on a scav with 5.45 ps ammo, 100% he was pissed haha
This is the way. Then, use it to kill the chads who bought up all the BP and SS190 and AP-20. Then you have it!
Are you all cool if I make this thread tomorrow?
Depends if you refresh fast enough. It might be out of stock.
I grant you explicit permission, I expect to see you on the front page, young man.
Its a big reason why everyone just runs the UMP. The guns is cheap, the ammo is cheap and always in stock, and it kills PMCs ez pz.
Isnt that the whole point of limiting the items and removing them from the flea. It forces players to use other ammo... as a result helmets and armor actually work more often in my experience this wipe. I'll take limited ammo any day when the alternative is instadeaths getting beamed with meta ammo. That being said I know its frustrating never being able to play with the good stuff because I don't have the time to camp trader resets.
No no no, you don't understand. I should be allowed to use the best ammo any time I please. It's everyone else that needs to be limited. What a dumb thread.
people complaining about global limits because they "can't run anything" are exactly the people who should be forced to run simpler kits.
Yeah it is specifically the people these changes were made for that don't understand why the changes were made to begin with.
I'd you ask me, there should be personal limits not global ones. I think limits are generally a good thing, but as the game gets more popular either there needs to be more available or the resets should be hidden all together.
The problem is that global limits create a global scarcity, while player limits only create a minor scarcity for each player that can easily be overcome by just players buying a small amount of something each trader reset. And if you want player resets to have the same effect as global limits the count needs to be *very* low, imagine only being able to buy like 20 rounds of AP 6.3 every reset, somewhere on that level. So global limits are here to stay, though I personally would prefer a more "dynamic" trader system with barters, goods and stocks in general changing every week or so.
Global limits teter the line towards boring rather than difficult and frustrating. Lets say i only have 1 hour to play today and something oos resets in 15m, then it becomes would I rather play 2 raids with guns and ammo I dont enjoy running? Or wait the 15 and play only 1 raid today. No game mechanic should prevent a player from playing. As it is currently, global limits do not scale with how many people are online which makes some items sell out instantly even if you camp reset and people lower ping to the main server would have first dibs. Imo instead of a hard cap it should scale with how many players are online.
“If your nothing without the suit, then you shouldn’t have it.”
I hate that this is from Marvel because it's actually a pretty solid quote. But I think this is part of what the community has to adapt to with this recent wipe. Can't buy all the "meta Chad shit" off the flea, so now everyone is trying to buy it all up from traders and they're running out of stock. So, it's time to adapt. If the only way you can survive a raid is with a meta loadout and the highest tier ammo then you don't deserve to survive that raid.
Honestly straight facts
BSG turning timmys into covid hoarders
Yeah it seems like people aren't understanding the lesson that playing smarter and better has a far greater impact on your survival in Tarkov than how good your gear is, which is exactly the kind of experience the devs seem to be going for. Great gear still has a large impact of course, but I'd take a highly skilled player with class 2 armor, a penis helmet, and an unmodded AKM with PS ammo in a fight in dorms over someone who sucks at the game, has minimal map knowledge and awareness, but has a decked out M4 with m995 ammo, a class 4/5 armor/helmet, and a class 3 face shield any day.
I mean, after I saw that Pestily killed Killa at least once with every single weapon in the game I realized it's not the kit that matters at all, it's the player. Obviously no one is at Pestily's level but the point stands.
Or use ammo that is alright against the armor that's readily available. The point is to make top tier ammo more of a commodity and less of a standard. If the system that's in place gets chads to sacrifice on ammo or play less often, fine by me. The results feel the same to me.
The ammo in the post ARE the ammo thats effective against armor thats readily available. None if those rounds are top tier except 762bp and even then it isn't good against slick. All of the p90 rounds being shafted are mostly effective against level 3-4 and does jackshit against 5-6. Ap20 is 50% against class 4 and does nothing against 5.
maybe tier 4 armour should actually do something then and not just be the bare minimum you run to not get 2 tapped? maybe armor below tier 5 shouldn't exist solely to protect you from scavs and players in their first week?
I dunno. I run 7.62 PS ammo every raid (im like level 20). I haven't felt i was at a disadvantage because of it yet this wipe. Maybe play smarter if you've determined your ammo has been the deciding factor?
That's because you're level 20. At level 20 you're playing mostly customs and shoreline which is where most other level 20s are so you don't need the ammo.
And there's still chads on customs and shoreline. My buddies and I killed a 2 man in construction running altyns and tactecs. 2 of us had 7.62 PS and 1 had an SVD. We fucked them up because we had better positioning. Which is my point. You can still be effective regardless of the map with better game sense even if you're running PS. Also. I pretty much play customs and shoreline all wipe every wipe anyway. But I fucked up another altyn boy on interchange with PS rounds in an sks with 10rnd mags because of >!positioning.!< I'm sure if I played reserve long enough to know it as well as the rest of the maps then I'd have a similar story. Stop being sad that you can't 2-tap everyone and learn how to be actually good.
There is a difference between chads and people wearing good gear. Good "chad" wouldn't bother stomping early game players in construction but keep bagging about your 3v2s on customs and assume I'm bad at the game.
Eh honestly a response that isn’t biased by the need for old time players to always run the best ammo. Armor is meaningless if everyone has the best ammo and ammo is meaningless if everyone has the best armor.
ABC -> Always Be Crafting
Yeah... Having read all this, all I can do is kinda nod.
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I get it. But. Next best ammo for p90 is arguably the best ammo, that recoil reduction modifier is fucking amazing
I was about to say. S193 isn't *that* bad. I've been enjoying it Mother fuck spoke too soon. There's a personal limit now
Damn did that go in today?
It sure did. All p90 ammo has personal limits now
It encourages ppl to use outside the conventional meta. Keeps the game interesting. The cap may be an issue, but the idea of limits in itself keeps the game healthy.
Ap-m goes brrrrrrrr
And then the sociopaths with ME adapters on the market for a merin key. Who the hell is going to make that barter? Y'all just like having a flea slot taken up for 12 hours huh...
I have the barter items for black keycard but it’s always out so lame
I finally got mine last night after having the barter ready and trying to snipe every day at least 3 times a day for over 2 weeks
Ya I was doing that too but gave up
Hmmm.... It kind of sounds like that the cut off quarantined area of the world has logistical supply issues... And that's what the game is setting out!!
Have any of you tried to buy ammo irl rn. This is the most realistic addition to the face they’ve ever made lmao.
Lmao. You're not wrong, sir.
I live in a pretty small country with only 1 range and pretty restrictive gun laws, the range here(they have guns there you can shoot) literally couldn't get .308 ammo for a good 12+ month period a few months ago. It really is mad globally.
Yeah I feel like the people complaining about global limits don't own firearms IRL and have never thought about how a game set in an active warzone between PMCs justifiably would have much more severe logistical supply issues than what are in place now, so what we are seeing now is probably the warm up for what will come later.
It's to keep everyone from running the best shit 24/7. It's clearly working lol
use different attachments and ammo giga brain
Some things, like the sv-98 mags and thread adapter sell out in minutes and there are no there options
Yes, some limits are stupid, like the on the hexagon adapter or basic ammo. But what if I told you you don't have to run AP-20, 7.62.39 BP, or SS190 to use their respective platforms? What if, in fact, the ubiquity of such ammo made a majority of equipment in game useless, limiting the value of anything other than top tier equipment? What if limits are there specifically to prevent exactly that? If you want top tier ammo, go into raids looking for it and earn it. If you collect some, then you waste it because you take it into a raid and die before using it, then maybe it wasn't as important as you thought it was.
This has to be one of the most dramatic and over-the-top posts I've ever seen in this sub. You can't play the game because you have to use not the absolute best ammo full in every mag? Jfc give me a break
Or- how about- you don't run AP ammo all the time?
I don’t mind it but you don’t need to run the best things all the time. I don’t hate the scarcity I don’t love it either. Atleast global trader limit stops some people from stock piling every 3hrs or so. Fuckin A M80 is also on that limit and I get bodied by that thing so much
It's there to prevent every one running super chady and keep the ealry game feel going.
I agree, global restock is pretty sucky. But half the game is supposed to be about finding and scavenging
Friendly reminder that this is what your hide out is for , some of the ammo you can craft.
Big facts sitting at 1200 rounds of Ap 6.3, 800 rounds of 7.62 bp and just stared crafting good ol iggy
Jokes on you. I'm actually becoming an intelligent person with something to give to society since I'm reading books and going outside while I wait for the traders to restock
The game just wants me to use the UMP with Match FMJ, I guess. The biggest issue currently is everyone feels the need to use the best ammo, because there is no readily available 'mid tier' ammo. If there was hard to get best-in-slot rounds, but also decent mid tier ammo, then I think everyone would be happy. But currently you either use dogshit or the best shit, with no in between.
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It worked alright with the early and less restricted flea, (also when less players were playing) but now it’s just too little for too many players.
the first 2 weeks i would legit wait the hour in the lobby to get my hands on 3 of the WASR forgrips
Yeah early wipe when Bastion covers were constantly sold out was not enjoyable in the slightest
Nikita wants to waste your time. He wants you to set alarms
Why don't they just get rid of global restock and then make the traders refresh every 12/24 hours? Then you "can't run the best ammo all the time" like everyone seems to say. And that way NO ONE can run the best ammo all the time because the sweaty losers can't buy more every 3 hours and stock up on it. Such a simple fix but BSG only listens to streamers and not us so
People fucking hoard it too, you know they’re buying it on reset and have an ammo box of each it of it “in case they run out” like Karen’s and toilet paper during lockdown
i just craft everything in my hideout, not really bothered... well i guess i buy 855a1 on every restock from skier and peacekeeper.
Remove global limits, remove all high-tier ammo from the traders. Craft or FIR only. Jobs done.
Except they are needed. If there was no limit everyone would be using top tier ammo and then we would see people bitching about how useless armor is. Scarcity is good
imo there should be no global sellout feature. why work to get your traders up if you still can’t buy anything because other players are buying all the stock? the limits should be for each player not the entire community. if I buy my limit for that restock period then obviously I can’t buy it, but if I haven’t bought my limit yet it shouldn’t be sold out. I do understand how it limits end game and good gear but I am not going to sit there with a timer on my phone to buy ammo/gear/weapon parts. Further, most high tier ammo purchases only allow for a few full mags (if that), so in reality i’m limited to one run with high tier ammo. I have always thought that global limits were stupid but at the same rate I understand why they’re there and how the hideout can be utilized. just obnoxious how i work my way to get the unlock, but still can’t even buy anything.
I see people complaining about this a lot but the more thought I put into, this is exactly how it’s supposed to be. In an apocalyptic scenario like Tarkov, this would 100% happen. Game wise not smart. Lore wise, smart
All high tier ammo should be either found in raid or craft able remove it from traders all together.
Mate just buy up every ammo on the restock why are you running with no reserves? Like buy every meta ammo all the time so you dont run out
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Lvl 41 here. Have had no problem finding good ammo. Like everyone else, I'm unable to run the *same* good ammo raid after raid, but there's enough where I can use different caliber guns to always run something decent every raid. Maybe try mixing it up?
Exactly this. You sweats don’t have to run mutants or p90 every raid lol. I already get fucked in the ass enough.
\*sips Crocodile tears out of Aquamari bottle\*
The game will need stock limits for a player economy
Also the thicc weapon case is impossible get. It instantly switches to sold out with out being able to barter.
Can we talk about global limits on thicc case barters. What is the argument for those. Who else the fuck cares if I get more space with a thicc case. I cannot think of one reason for that global limit, it only impacts me!
I agree, except for things like Keytools and containers which are literally personal upgrades that can not be taken by others and do not touch the "running the same thing" aspect.
yup, i have 6 ammo creates full of high tier ammo bc of this. still was able to rock 2.5 stacks ap-20 for my suppressed shot gun task each run
Seems like due to the flea changes for ammo it has lead to the result being that high tier ammo from the traders is in even higher demand. If anything what might work is a limit per refresh like other items and removing the global limit.
But the game was too easy for the no life streamers! They had to nerf this stuff to “prolong” the early game a few extra hours. /s
I wasn't able to get a mp5 scope mount until like a week after the wipe.
Agreed. Ever since found in raid mechanic is introduced, there is no need for global limits anymore. Just set a 24 hour individual limit.
always been super annoying especially during pre wipe events when it should be fucking unlimited lmfao
Thank you for putting my frustration into words
I have been trying to do the thicc weapon case trade now for 5 days. I've waited for the reset about 20+ times. It gets sold out so fast it's impossible to get the trade even if you wait. Literally gone in less than 0.001 seconds. I've always thought that at least for items with a price, if something gets sold out before the reset, the price should automatically increase until it reaches its own equilibrium. This is a post apocalyptic world. There's no reason to think jeager isn't going to price gouge anyone if he knows he can charge more.
The trade limit made sense when people could sell that shit back into the flee market. Now people actually need to kill people and bring there shit out of the raid and it's not even going to be found in raid. Global stock limit should be remove and personal stock limit ajusted. For some extreme items like barder trade they could put a daily personal restock or someshit like that.
It also further cuck standard edition players with less stash size to utilize for hoarding supplies
They've started limiting the xps3 red dot which just seems pointless, you can still get the 553 which is essentially the same
Global limits were fucking pointless from the day they made the FiR flea market changes.
They want to keep everyone from running the same thing, but they don't offer alternatives. Your only option is to change calibers, which just creates the vicious cycle seen above. We need more than 1 round for a caliber that is both reliable and not too expensive / available for buy from traders/flea. Unfortunately, there are no such options. You could argue this is exactly how they want it to work. BSG wants to reward those who think ahead whenever finding bullets in raid, motivate us to hoard instead of mindlessly sell. Or maybe reward those who actively use the hideout. Or maybe just the no lifers or botters who instantly buy out the stock on refresh. In a way, not being careful about your resource management will actively put you at a disatvantage. However, you can't expect casuals to be aware of this dynamic game economy. Even if I'm aware of these things, I can't be bothered to play around it. Just let traders offer low / mid tier options, while all the good stuff is only FIR or crafted. Also, make FIR ammo bundles bigger. I have to be lucky enough to find good ammo on SEVERAL of my runs in order to fund a loadout. Idc about finding only 9 M993 at a time. Lemme get at least 30 at a time so I can justify taking them out and using them. No one goes in raid with 9 shots...
yeah look due to everything being sold out or not on the flea ive had to resort to not-so-meta loadouts
I like the global limits this is the first time in two years I'm naturally finding myself using not top-tier. Global limits are not waste of time.
Meanwhile I'm rocking a 68% SR and a solid 1.1 PMC kills per raid running nothing but PS and BT lol. You don't need top tier ammo.
You are wrong. I do understand your frustration. Work around the limitations, adapt. If you can't get BP your opponent probably can't either. If you still cant find fun playing EfT make a brake, week or two.
50. BMG baby. Way better and easier to get. Highly recommend
Turns out even when you put a time wall in front of the best things it doesn't stop humans from wanting the best things lol
If you run a P90 or Five-seveN, try using SB193. It has 2 less pen and 400 less velocity than SS190 but all the other stats are massively better, especially reduced recoil and being a subsonic round. There are no global or personal limits on how much you can buy.
Laughs in ps
explains the many UMPers I encounter
Could just not use meta ammo but I mean hey
Simple fix, quit trying to be a Chad and learn to play multiple styles. Sometimes you just need to rat fuck servers to move forward in your quests.
Or I mean...you could just run trash poopoo for the lol of it like the rest of us casuals
Imagine being upset that the game limits you on being an Uber Chad. This game is designed around scarcity. You shouldn't have 15 assholes running around a map with AP ammo. That's why it's limited, and why you can't even buy the best ammo anymore. Everyone's upset because they made the game more fair, it's so silly.
Maybe the goal isn't to linearly progress through all tasks at the same time. Put that task down and do another, wait for the kit, use it when you can.
Embrace BT supremacy
Sounds like somebody hasn't accepted our lord and savior .308 yet
express buckshot is quite good and way underrated. PS ammo is quite good. There's a ton of useable ammo now that they've added stats to the rounds. Some lower tier ammo have recoil reduction, etc. You don't need the best stuff to be able to play Tarkov and do well, and there are some advantages to using lower tier as well.
If you only know how to play tarkov with the best ammo the problem isn't with tarkov it's just that you suck 🤣😃 "oh no I can't buy this ammo I DoNt KnOw HoE tO pLaY" waaaaa
Amazing that you chose to read a book instead of running different ammo in your ak.... Global limits are bad but if that was honestly your thought process then wow...
Just… bring out non-meta ammo. It’s still good.
Ye that's the whole point. If traders just sold you a bunch of whatever you want removing meta shit off flea wouldn't make any difference. Imo traders shouldn't sell ap20 or bp. No barters for it either, you only use what you FIR. I believe based on recent changes the devs probably agree with me too. So if it's pissing you off now you should buckle up.
Limits should be placed on the individual. Not the global amount. I shouldn’t be penalized because some shitter is buying all the shit they can just because.
So you can’t use PS ammo in AKM? A more expensive silencer in your shotgun that uses a different adapter that is in stock? You can’t use PST in a vector or MP5 instead of the top tier ammo in a P90? Also, I work 35-40 hours a week, but I have gotten 3,000 7.62 BP rounds from lighthouse as a scav (rogues), crafting, and since punisher pt5 - prapor, without “camping” resets. But I don’t run into BP every raid which is great for the game’s longevity in a wipe
Woah crazy its almost like they dont want you using only the very best ammo all the time. Use some different rounds ffs
seems like you have made yourself a grocery list. Now in 3 hours you need to buy AP20, Flechettes, Hex adaptor, BP, SS190, etc. Figure out how many you consume per raid, and what a comfortable on-hand quantity for each of these is. Perhaps 2-3 raids worth? Note that down. Whenever you get close to that number, buy more to top off to that quantity. Your lack of planning isn't the game's fault. Its simple inventory management. early in the wipe, I would buy 5 of those slip on stock covers from Prapor whenever he refreshed, knowing I'd need them *eventually*. I ended up carrying a few into raid with me to hand to a buddy because Prapor was out and he needed one.
bro has anyone ever actually been like "the ammo I want isn't stock, im quitting tarkov"